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Title: Forum member Village Trundler
Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 07:37:23 AM
Big congrats to Village Trundler for getting his second 5 wicket haul this season but this one included a double Hat Trick....

Well done mate
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Post by: Jenko on December 15, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Great work mate :)
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Post by: Buzz on December 15, 2012, 08:45:36 AM
double hatrick?
6 wickets in 6 balls?

bowling!

that is a lot if first ballers!
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Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 08:50:06 AM
double hatrick?
6 wickets in 6 balls?

bowling!

that is a lot if first ballers!

Unfortunately Buzz a double hat trick is 4 wickets in 4 balls.

1,2,3 is one hat trick and 2,3,4 is classed as the double hat trick
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Post by: Jenko on December 15, 2012, 08:50:29 AM
isnt a double hatrick 4 wickets in 4 balls?
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Post by: Jenko on December 15, 2012, 08:51:04 AM
Unfortunately Buzz a double hat trick is 4 wickets in 4 balls.

1,2,3 is one hat trick and 2,3,4 is classed as the double hat trick

Beat me to it :)
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Post by: PedalsMcgrew on December 15, 2012, 08:53:27 AM
If a hatrick is 3 wickets then a double hatrick must be 6?!?!?!

Is this an Australianism?  :D

Title: Re: Forum member Village Trundler
Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 08:54:54 AM
If a hatrick is 3 wickets then a double hatrick must be 6?!?!?!

Is this an Australianism?  :D

In my 30 years of cricket a double hat trick has always been 4 in 4
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Post by: Buzz on December 15, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
you aussies really are wierd.

a double hatrick is surely two consecutive hatricks, well it is here.

four in four is four in four!

wiki sits on the fence...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat-trick
Title: Re: Forum member Village Trundler
Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 08:56:19 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat-trick

Please read
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Post by: Jenko on December 15, 2012, 08:56:45 AM
Yep yep in my 15 years its been 4 in 4 too.....must just be us Aussies hey!
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Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 08:57:44 AM
you aussies really are wierd.

a double hatrick is surely two consecutive hatricks, well it is here.

four in four is four in four!

So what is the 2nd, 3rd & 4 consecutive wicket? Is it not a hat trick as well?
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Post by: PedalsMcgrew on December 15, 2012, 08:59:20 AM
So what is the 2nd, 3rd & 4 consecutive wicket? Is it not a hat trick as well?

Of course not, because the second and third are part of the first hatrick! You can't count them twice! 

Title: Re: Forum member Village Trundler
Post by: Buzz on December 15, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
Taking two wickets in two
consecutive deliveries is
occasionally known as a brace,
or (more commonly) being on a
hat-trick . Four wickets in four
balls is referred to in cricket
literature and record books as
four in four but the term
double hat-trick has also been
used in the media, as it will
contain two different,
overlapping sets of three
consecutively dismissed batsmen.
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Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 09:00:46 AM
Of course not, because the second and third are part of the first hatrick! You can't count them twice!

Funny that cause the record books do.. Haha
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Post by: PedalsMcgrew on December 15, 2012, 09:02:18 AM
Then they're wrong too!  :D  ;)
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Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 09:02:49 AM
Double hat-trick
Taking four wickets in four consecutive balls, so named because it consists of two overlapping hat-tricks.[citation needed] Former Hampshire player Kevan James is the only player in first class cricket's history to take a double hat-trick and score a century in the same match, achieved against India at Southampton in 1996. Sri Lankan fast bowler Lasith Malinga is the only international player to have taken a double hat-trick, against South Africa in the 2007 world cup.
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Post by: alba caerulea on December 15, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
By that logic, for a score of 101 a batsman could claim 2 tons  8)
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Post by: The_Bird on December 15, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
By that logic, for a score of 101 a batsman could claim 2 tons  8)


Kohli just got a double double hundred.

103 :D
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Post by: alba caerulea on December 15, 2012, 10:15:52 AM

Kohli just got a double double hundred.

103 :D

Quadruple get it right  ;)
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Post by: Buzz on December 15, 2012, 10:17:34 AM
what does that make Brian Lara's 501 then?
I will email cricinfo later, but I am not sure I can sit comfortably with the idea that 4 wickets in 4 balls as a "double hatrick"
for me that will remain 6 wickets in an over/6 balls.
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Post by: The_Bird on December 15, 2012, 10:19:02 AM
I played it safe with the terminology, congrats to village trundler tho must've been quality!!


Lionel Messi's hat trick record will need to be altered I think.
Title: Re: Forum member Village Trundler
Post by: Johnny on December 15, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
Next thing you'll be telling us that the wickets are supposed to go in front of the score!
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Post by: Number4 on December 15, 2012, 11:17:07 AM
No wonder you guys couldn't stay number 1 for long  ;)
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Post by: Bruce on December 15, 2012, 06:20:58 PM
I remember malinga's efforts, it was portrayed on the news here as 4 in 4... Must be a difference in culture!
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Post by: Nickauger on December 15, 2012, 06:36:25 PM
No wonder you guys couldn't stay number 1 for long  ;)
Probably thought they were 3rd anyway
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Post by: Village Trundler on December 16, 2012, 12:10:19 PM
Haha thanks for the shout out skipper. Bit of luck in it! Think the 4 overs I bowled before that and got 0/20 were much better than the over that bagged 5 lol.

No idea why they call it a double hatrick here, they do in south Africa too, so im sure it'll make its way to the UK eventually :-P
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Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 16, 2012, 12:15:31 PM
A hat trick is sets of 3, u don't claim a double hat trick in footy for scoring 4!

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Post by: Number4 on December 16, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
Haha thanks for the shout out skipper. Bit of luck in it! Think the 4 overs I bowled before that and got 0/20 were much better than the over that bagged 5 lol.

No idea why they call it a double hatrick here, they do in south Africa too, so im sure it'll make its way to the UK eventually :-P

South Africa too hey?

Surprised it hasn't already made its way to the UK by now then. Haha  ;)
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Post by: MD2812 on December 16, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
so how many hat tricks would you have in Oz if you got 10 out in 10 balls?

and is 5 a triple hattrick?
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Post by: cheese on December 16, 2012, 09:31:14 PM
No wonder you guys couldn't stay number 1 for long  ;)
3-1 in your own back yard ring any bells?
 8) ;)
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Post by: Jenko on December 16, 2012, 09:38:00 PM
3-1 in your own back yard ring any bells?
 8) ;)

Oh I'm sorry and what happened between lets say 1989 and 2005  ;)
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Post by: The_Bird on December 16, 2012, 09:39:16 PM
Oh I'm sorry and what happened between lets say 1989 and 2005  ;)

You sound like a Liverpool fan  :o
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Post by: Jenko on December 16, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
Im guessing thats a bad thing hahaha
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Post by: Buzz on December 16, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
Oh I'm sorry and what happened between lets say 1989 and 2005  ;)
time warp, like the 2006/7 series!
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Post by: The_Bird on December 16, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
Im guessing thats a bad thing hahaha

Most Liverpool fans are ok, but the annoying ones harp on about past glories when in truth they weren't even alive when Liverpool dominated domestically and in Europe. Not saying you didn't witness the Aussies destroying us for 20 years or so tho.

 :D
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Post by: Jenko on December 16, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
Fair enough! All tongue in cheek from me....as much as it pained me to watch you guys beat us in the Ashes, fair play you were the better team. Just hope we can build a decent side for next year and ge some of our quicks FIT and some stability in our batting....may well be another series loss otherwise!
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Post by: The_Bird on December 16, 2012, 09:50:38 PM
Can't wait for the back to back ashes, hopefully it'll be as historic as the last 3 series (06/07 didn't happen).
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Post by: joeljonno on January 04, 2013, 08:18:38 AM
Taking two wickets in two
consecutive deliveries is
occasionally known as a brace,
or (more commonly) being on a
hat-trick . Four wickets in four
balls is referred to in cricket
literature and record books as
four in four but the term
double hat-trick has also been
used in the media, as it will
contain two different,
overlapping sets of three
consecutively dismissed batsmen.

In my opinion, as a bowler, to get a double hat-trick by taking 4 in 4 is akin to a batsman saying "I got a double 50" when he got 51 runs. 1-50 and 2-51 being two overlapping scores of 50.

But that's jst me. Perhaps if I was a bowler, I would think differently.
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Post by: ammo on January 04, 2013, 08:44:52 AM
a double hatrick is 4 wickets in 4 balls but it should not be.
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Post by: trypewriter on January 04, 2013, 08:53:18 AM
I remember Alan Ward getting four in four for Derbyshire and it was reported as four wickets in four balls.
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Post by: Ciaran on January 04, 2013, 08:59:17 AM
Can't wait for the back to back ashes, hopefully it'll be as historic as the last 3 series (06/07 didn't happen).

I'm hating the back to back ashes! Its overkill of what should be a brilliant series.

Oh n also Im not sure Australia will win one match across both ;)
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Post by: tim2000s on January 04, 2013, 09:02:58 AM
a double hatrick is 4 wickets in 4 balls but it should not be.
While the logical sequence is wickets 1,2,3 and 2,3,4 the reality is that this shouldn't be considered a double hat-trick as wickets 2 and 3 are not unique in both sequences. Just because something is very unlikely (i.e. six in a row) doesn't mean that giving something the wrong name is correct. The reality is that with this measure, a centruy is 100 runs and a double is 101 runs, which no-one will agree with, but that's because double centuries occur more commonly than six wickets.

It seems to be a term that is pretty much entirely a Southern Hemisphere one, coined because you need to call 4 in a row something, however incorrect that may be... A true double, whether it is a hat-trick or century, is six wickets or 200 runs, each of which is unique.
Title: Re: Forum member Village Trundler
Post by: Number4 on January 04, 2013, 09:40:52 AM
While the logical sequence is wickets 1,2,3 and 2,3,4 the reality is that this shouldn't be considered a double hat-trick as wickets 2 and 3 are not unique in both sequences. Just because something is very unlikely (i.e. six in a row) doesn't mean that giving something the wrong name is correct. The reality is that with this measure, a centruy is 100 runs and a double is 101 runs, which no-one will agree with, but that's because double centuries occur more commonly than six wickets.

It seems to be a term that is pretty much entirely a Southern Hemisphere one, coined because you need to call 4 in a row something, however incorrect that may be... A true double, whether it is a hat-trick or century, is six wickets or 200 runs, each of which is unique.

In your opinion of course ;)
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Post by: Jenko on January 04, 2013, 09:43:51 AM
Ive always wondered why double centuries, triple centuries etc dont get put as 2 hundreds/3 hundreds to the batsmens record. I know then you could argue that if they get 150 it could go down as one hundred and a fifty, but to me scoring 100 is hard enough so 200 should go down as two centuries....haha

And its totally a double hatrick :)
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Post by: Ciaran on January 04, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
I think youll find 101 is a double hat-trick under Australian logic ;)
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Post by: tim2000s on January 04, 2013, 09:53:23 AM
I think youll find 101 is a double hat-trick under Australian logic ;)
Since no Southern Hemispherean is ever going to achieve the feat of taking two hat-tricks in a match to achieve the double, I suppose we'll just have to let them call four in four a double, won't we.... ;)
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Post by: Village Trundler on January 04, 2013, 08:20:33 PM
Since no Southern Hemispherean is ever going to achieve the feat of taking two hat-tricks in a match to achieve the double, I suppose we'll just have to let them call four in four a double, won't we.... ;)

Not while we play in a league absent pommy batsmen anyway!

*sigh* I remember not so long ago when we were in a position to ridicule English batsmen.
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Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 05, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
Not while we play in a league absent pommy batsmen anyway!

*sigh* I remember not so long ago when we were in a position to ridicule English batsmen.

You will be again, England aren't all that strong once you remove the odd key player. Plus, it's swings and round-a-bouts, every dog has his day and all that.