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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: ItsJustCricket on December 18, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
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Interested to know: how many of you guys have actually seen and picked up a Hammer, let alone used one? I think such bold claims should be reserved to those who can honestly answer yes to this question.
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yeah.. just read through his comments.. and based on my experience I don't think these sort of scoops really help to bring down the weight too much.
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Interested to know: how many of you guys have actually seen and picked up a Hammer, let alone used one? I think such bold claims should be reserved to those who can honestly answer yes to this question.
Used a both laver, and TK bats in the past, so what sets the hammer bats aside from the people who manufacture them? It's not like there going to be any different than anything people have used off of both the bat makers before. Except for a bigger hole in your pocket
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Used a both laver, and TK bats in the past, so what sets the hammer bats aside from the people who manufacture them? It's not like there going to be any different than anything people have used off of both the bat makers before. Except for a bigger hole in your pocket
Sounds like you're questioning my judgement, Tom.
Do you really think I would waste time, effort and money to stock overpriced, re-labelled bats?! Besides, last time I checked the bat makers you mentioned actually made pretty decent sticks!
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To quote the CSO guy from CI forum
'Let the rumours begin'
Only following his wishes.
As everyone knows on here, every bat company is going to get questioned about the source. Out of everyone I think MSR have been the most honest by saying its bats go all round the world and by showing its step by step bat making process, also H4L as well. Honesty gets you a long way.
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Might be a good idea to start a new discussion thread on this topic... ( just a suggestion).
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Sounds like you're questioning my judgement, Tom.
Do you really think I would waste time, effort and money to stock overpriced, re-labelled bats?! Besides, last time I checked the bat makers you mentioned actually made pretty decent sticks!
I'm not doubting there good sticks at all. They are clearly good bats as you see the amount of lavers on here. Not to mention the amount of people really liking newberys and other people who sell tk bats. My opinion is why would you go and get a hammer. When you can get a laver direct, even the top end newberys sps is cheaper (if I'm not mistaken) than these platinum hammers. Agree to disagree in this subject Paul. As I believe the naive people of the market will see the shiny stickers and buy the bats, not knowing who there made by and where they come from.
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Ok my doubts about all this is this
If I was a batmakers and I outsourced to other brands would I give my best bats to the other brands that's the question people should ask
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To quote the CSO guy from CI forum
'Let the rumours begin'
Only following his wishes.
As everyone knows on here, every bat company is going to get questioned about the source. Out of everyone I think MSR have been the most honest by saying its bats go all round the world and by showing its step by step bat making process, also H4L as well. Honesty gets you a long way.
To quote the CSO guy from CI forum
'Let the rumours begin'
Only following his wishes.
As everyone knows on here, every bat company is going to get questioned about the source. Out of everyone I think MSR have been the most honest by saying its bats go all round the world and by showing its step by step bat making process, also H4L as well. Honesty gets you a long way.
So, what would you do if the bat maker himself didn't let you reveal his name?
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So, what would you do if the bat maker himself didn't let you reveal his name?
You are in a different position to us as a retailer, as a consumer i would just buy a Newbery or H4L. As a shop you sell the finished product and what goes on before maybe doesn't get considered.
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You are in a different position to us as a retailer, as a consumer i would just buy a Newbery or H4L. As a shop you sell the finished product and what goes on before maybe doesn't get considered.
I agree that honesty does get you a long way, but you need to realise that Jason actually has been honest to the bat makers all along, by not revealing their names!
I implore this thread to only involve those who have actually seen or used Hammer bats before because it's bordering on slander otherwise...
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its the same with any brand who stickers bats that are made by a current brand/bat maker. doesnt matter if its tk, laver or indian made bats. for those that cant tell a TK from a laver without pretty stickers on, it makes no difference to them. they see a nice bat with nice stickers and if they have the funds they buy it. for us bat nerds and those who do know the difference, we do feel that certain brands take the mick with their pricing which in some occasions is more than the equivalent product from the makers themselves. at the end of the day its business. if people are willing to pay stupid amounts for a bat then why not cash in on that. is it right to do so? thats a personal opinion.
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I agree that honesty does get you a long way, but you need to realise that Jason actually has been honest to the bat makers all along, by not revealing their names!
I implore this thread to only involve those who have actually seen or used Hammer bats before because it's bordering on slander otherwise...
It seemed to be fair game when it was MSR before he came on ;)
Of course it would only be fair for people to refrain from commenting on the bats before using them but it would also only be fair to apply these standards across the board!
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You could argue his tone with Thomas Wilkie wasn't that nice.
Where has the L&W and TK tags come from then?
Have you sold many?
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So of you haven't used a hammer bat, but used a TK made bat or a laver you can comment?
Because essentially that's what they are lol.
Nobody is doubting there good bats at all. I haven't once said why buy a hammer it's a plank.
But I don't see why people in the know would ever buy a hammer, when you can get exactly the same bat off various places/forum sponsors for the same if not a better price.
I'm sure hammer bats play in exactly the same way all tks and lavers play.
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It seemed to be fair game when it was MSR before he came on ;)
Of course it would only be fair for people to refrain from commenting on the bats before using them but it would also only be fair to apply these standards across the board!
The difference was, MSR can tell you the exact process in which there bats were made lol.
Agree with that entirely.
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its the same with any brand who stickers bats that are made by a current brand/bat maker. doesnt matter if its tk, laver or indian made bats. for those that cant tell a TK from a laver without pretty stickers on, it makes no difference to them. they see a nice bat with nice stickers and if they have the funds they buy it. for us bat nerds and those who do know the difference, we do feel that certain brands take the mick with their pricing which in some occasions is more than the equivalent product from the makers themselves. at the end of the day its business. if people are willing to pay stupid amounts for a bat then why not cash in on that. is it right to do so? thats a personal opinion.
That's a very good point, John, but you do understand that threads like this hurt the reputation of IJC and CSO, as well as Hammer and all the bat makers involved (whomever they may be). Hence my use of the word slander.
Why do a few gossip-mongers on here want to harm some very honest, hard working people for no good reason??
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So of you haven't used a hammer bat, but used a TK made bat or a laver you can comment?
Because essentially that's what they are lol.
Nobody is doubting there good bats at all. I haven't once said why buy a hammer it's a plank.
But I don't see why people in the know would ever buy a hammer, when you can get exactly the same bat off various places/forum sponsors for the same if not a better price.
I'm sure hammer bats play in exactly the same way all tks and lavers play.
What makes you so sure that they're pressed in exactly the same way, Tom?
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So of you haven't used a hammer bat, but used a TK made bat or a laver you can comment?
Because essentially that's what they are lol.
Nobody is doubting there good bats at all. I haven't once said why buy a hammer it's a plank.
But I don't see why people in the know would ever buy a hammer, when you can get exactly the same bat off various places/forum sponsors for the same if not a better price.
I'm sure hammer bats play in exactly the same way all tks and lavers play.
I'd have to agree...
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Interesting character Jason... Just the other day, he was openly questioning the way Julian Millichamp grades his bats and implying he's ripping people off by grading on performance and not looks. And I don't think he's actually used a SCAT himself either. He then suggested he may do a little experiment by regrading his Dynadrives and adding "LE" stickers to those he thinks are lookers and jack their prices up. Not sure that screams honesty to me... That Facebook episode lost any ounce of respect I had left for the guy.
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Leave him to allegedly sell fake Spartans
He soon shuts up
But still try to flog them
Try that for slander
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Actually if it is written, and published, which this is, it is libel your honour. One of the points with that is, that it is not only the person who posts it, but also the person responsible for publishing it (this site) that can be pursued.
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What makes you so sure that they're pressed in exactly the same way, Tom?
Unless I'm missing something, Jason was commenting on the other forum
Asking how many time he should get his bats pressed as he didn't know?
Unless he's got information from others or experimented a lot with the bat makers pressing the bats different times then I'd say there pressed the same.
Plus dont all bat makers press a cleft on there judgement? Different clefts are pressed differently according to the cleft?
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Just a quick question Paul. What, in your opinion, makes a grade 2 hammer bat in harrow better than a grade 1+ gm original l.e. (also in harrow) that warrants a £40+ price difference along with a grade difference?
Unlike GM, Hammer don't mass produce harrow bats, for one, and although it's a grade 2, if you came to the shop to see it, you'd realise it actually looks like a grade 1... Plus it's one of the largest, and best sounding (off the mallet) harrow bats that I have ever seen in my life!
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What makes you so sure that they're pressed in exactly the same way, Tom?
why would the bats be pressed differently what would be the advantage of that?
surely both his bat makers press their own bats to the best of their abilities, i cant imagine they would decide to press a bat for an outsourced brand any better than his own bat brand......
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why would the bats be pressed differently what would be the advantage of that?
surely both his bat makers press their own bats to the best of their abilities, i cant imagine they would decide to press a bat for an outsourced brand any better than his own bat brand......
They would if you asked them to!
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I know I,am normally the one kicking off
Lets all chill out it a bit of wood used to hit a ball
Slander and all lets calm down.
Facts
Yes we know who makes them yes there expensive
That about it
If you don't want one is there any point
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If I was a batmakers and I outsourced to other brands would I give my best bats to the other brands that's the question people should ask
I don't disagree with you in the slightest on this matter Dave, But everyone loves a bit of contract work!
Say for instant you were having a quiet period or quarter, and some bloke said:
''Hey! Mr Batmaker, I like your work, I'm launching a new brand and trying source the best bats I can.
As you know I have a very successful Youtube channel with lots of subscribers, If I tell these subscribers that these new hammer are the bees knees better than most on the market etc.
I'm hoping to shift a load of them, so I'll be back buying from you once I need some more.
I'm looking at buying say 50 bats at a time''
You wouldn't turn this down, would you?
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They would if you asked them to!
they will do anything you ask them to, but my question is....
why would they want to press a bat better for an outside company?
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I don't disagree with you in the slightest on this matter Dave, But everyone loves a bit of contract work!
Say for instant you were having a quiet period or quarter, and some bloke said:
''Hey! Mr Batmaker, I like your work, I'm launching a new brand and trying source the best bats I can.
As you know I have a very successful Youtube channel with lots of subscribers, If I tell these subscribers that these new hammer are the bees knees better than most on the market etc.
I'm hoping to shift a load of them, so I'll be back buying from you once I need some more.
I'm looking at buying say 50 bats at a time''
You wouldn't turn this down, would you?
Would you hell I see from a mate how competitive the industry is I take my hat off to them all
Nobody I think makes a bat bad or poor softs on purpose they are all voting for our money.
It takes guts to start or keep a brand going I will not slate any of them off not even hammer
Good luck to all brands I say and shops
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After reading all the posts I can conclude that there is nothing wrong with hammer bats, I'm sure that they are all stunners, especially the ones paul at IJC has, as per the extra costs we have to remember the journey these bats are making, from wherever in the world the bat was made to jason and then to paul. I agree that jason doesn't have the best reputation but as paul said he is a hard-working person trying to get his brand out there, nothing wrong with that. But the only problem I see that people have with hammer bats is the price, yes they are pricey but in all honesty the big brands are not that much bette. I'm not taking any sides here but I think we need to cut the slack on paul and jason as they are both hardworking people who have set up their own brands which is more that can be said for most of the members on the forum. Sure there might be issues at the moment but in time they will get fixed and I hope jason sees this and pays heed to the posts being made here and alters his current pricing etc of the brand.
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Why don't most cut Steve bailey MSR the same slack as well then
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I dont see the point in Jason getting bats made in the UK to be shipped to America to have stickers and grips applied to the bats and then shipped back to the UK to be sold?
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All IJC are doing is selling a product, there reputation is first class and will continue to grow I'm sure. The debate is whether Hammer bats are worth buying over any other elite(I use the word elite as that is the price structure they are using) bats. How well do Nike bats sell?
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My point exactly in the dealings I have had with steve paul and jason they have all been great people, but from the rumours I have heard about steve and jason (not so much paul) you would think thta they are money-hungry scoundrels who care not for the quality of a product. Or that they are selling a terrible product etc. And yeah I found that part to be a tiny bit .... Inefficient let's just say. It would make more sense to ship the stickers to the bat maker and pay him a fraction more to put the stickers on himself !
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The interesting point for me in all of this, is that some very interesting 'names/initials' etc. have been bandied about. Now, for anyone who has not seen any of their products in the flesh, had a waft with them etc. etc. but really believes that the provenance is as the rumours suggest, it is an ideal opportunity to get up close and personal with them by visiting the shop. And if one takes your fancy - well, you won't have to wait to see if the bat is all that you specified. Another point that I would make is that this in itself (handling, tapping, drooling upon etc. etc.) could justify any mark up.
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Sorry Dave, but he only allegedly sold fake Spartans. From his video blogs, when he discovered they were fake he was very open about it.
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My point exactly in the dealings I have had with steve paul and jason they have all been great people, but from the rumours I have heard about steve and jason (not so much paul) you would think thta they are money-hungry scoundrels who care not for the quality of a product. Or that they are selling a terrible product etc. And yeah I found that part to be a tiny bit .... Inefficient let's just say. It would make more sense to ship the stickers to the bat maker and pay him a fraction more to put the stickers on himself
Or ship them to Paul to put the stickers on? lol
There isn't anything to do with shipping in the costings. The bats are the same price on CSO, so they've only made a journey one way then? So whats the explination there?
Sorry Dave, but he only allegedly sold fake Spartans. From his video blogs, when he discovered they were fake he was very open about it.
I'm pretty sure he was selling the fake bats on the website, but they were advertised as Ishan bats with spartan stickers. I may be mistaken though
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I know he even sold them as fake for 190 quid I think..
Your right Tom he did advertise than as Ishan with spartan stickers
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I see the gate to the nursing home has been left open again...
More idle gossip and drivel from people guessing.
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Guys, where Jason has stated that bats are made in New Zealand, I'd suggest that'd a very good way of finding out whether you like Kiwi made bats.
Hammer was set up to provide a local US bat brand to US cricketers. That they are now available in the UK thanks to IJC increases the choice available to you, so you can pop along to IJC to check them out.
As we've said before, they are the brands bats, and who makes them is not really important to all but bat nerds on CBF. The shapes look different to some I've seen so I wouldn't worry about the provenance, I'd go along to IJC and bash them with a mallet to find out whether they are any good.
What I'd suggest though Paul, is that you update the photos on the site as the "Made in England" Hel1-56 clearly says "Made in New Zealand" in the picture...
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I see the gate to the nursing home has been left open again...
More idle gossip and drivel from people guessing.
Care to explain what you mean? Isn't the nursing home for old people? lol
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they will do anything you ask them to, but my question is....
why would they want to press a bat better for an outside company?
Technically speaking, isn't everyone an outside company to them?
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Technically speaking, isn't everyone an outside company to them?
i was specifically talking about the bats made in NZ........
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Fair play to all the brands it all cost for marketing to shipping stickers design and all the overheads it simply costs and takes danglies to start a brand and try and get it out there no matter who made them and no matter what merky waters there are it not up to us to dictate cost unfortunately
I have no doubt there many people behind scenes designing making shipping equipment and selling and like us are hit the economic factors and with such a competitive,market I admire all brands and people in the industry.
Without you all we would be all be bored I salute you
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I see the gate to the nursing home has been left open again...
More idle gossip and drivel from people guessing.
would love to hear your opinion............
as you are the all seeing eye afterall :)
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I have Heard his opinion he has a very valid point.
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I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.
The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.
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I have Heard his opinion he has a very valid point.
care to share?
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I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.
The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.
spot on mate
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I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.
The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.
Rightly said, people are digging at hammer bats because of past experience with the brand owner, not the bat which is surely the most important thing considering that if we ever were going to buy a hammer it would be from paul.
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care to share?
As the topic is talking about people earning a crust not just the people directly involved but there others.
For me I see things simple nowadays if I do not like it best not say anything my opinion is only mine.
But if there made by the master batmaker himself then the product is quality.
Pricing is up to them not my business
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I'm not doubting there good sticks at all. They are clearly good bats as you see the amount of lavers on here. Not to mention the amount of people really liking newberys and other people who sell tk bats. My opinion is why would you go and get a hammer. When you can get a laver direct, even the top end newberys sps is cheaper (if I'm not mistaken) than these platinum hammers. Agree to disagree in this subject Paul. As I believe the naive people of the market will see the shiny stickers and buy the bats, not knowing who there made by and where they come from.
You are making a valid point. But I would guess the average punter would assume bats were made by the brand name on the front of them; the more savvy would understand they may not be and try to find out the bat maker, and the real die hard CBF surfer would know exactly who is making what, of course :)
But as retailers, we try to offer some variety. Some people go for the well known brand, some go for shiny stickers, some go for looks, some go for the mallet test, some go for something different and exclusive. Some pay more, some pay less. Some go for the newest thing, some go for the end of season sales. Why on earth would you buy a brand new bat, when you can have the same in a year or two's time at half the price? The £1000 Newbery bat ... does it perform better than a Newbery SPS? Maybe yes, maybe no. Do people buy it? Yes they do. Why? The Ferrari example is a good one.
If you're in the know, then yes, it's very valid to go direct to the manufacturer, if you know who that is. If you're in love with a Puma Ballistic 6000 or Tribute 6000, you'll end up in the UK. If it's the Vendetta 6000 (same price tag), you'll end up in India.
If you had a Newbery Uzi junior bat a couple of years ago and you loved it, you'll end up in South Africa. Now you've grown and need a short handle bat, are you going to stick with the South African batmaker or turn to the UK batmaker who you may know nothing about? But both are Newbery bats. The average punter doesn't have access to the manufacturers or brands, and the retailer is bringing those brands, well known as well as unknown, to the customer.
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I believe Jason's Hammer bats were intended for the U.S customers right at their doorstep rather than waiting for shipment from abroad . He is after all providing the highest quality product available from the best of the bat makers which I feel is an unique service in the U.S market. The price therefore reflects the quality. He is a very astute businessman and has gone from strength to strength .
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Care to explain what you mean? Isn't the nursing home for old people? lol
For the old or in this instance the infirm or factually challenged.
What irritates me about all this aside from the lack of genuine understanding is that people seem to make stuff up as they go.
How many people comment on quality when they have never held or owned something? Others that speculate about the processes of manufacturing when they have no clue.
Yes, im irritated that someones integrity has been called into question.
I am quite strict about whom i work for and I have morals. I like people that I do business with to have some substance and greater understanding of business itself before I work with them. Which is why i often turn away "easy money" or advise the unpopular answers as a good reputation is worth more to me that a few thousand pounds. Something i'm sure a few of the sponsors and up and coming young batmakers that frequent the forum would testify too.
Having seen some of the comments about Jason I can confirm that he has once or twice shot himself in the foot and been an (No Swearing Please). I have personally called him these things to his face via skype. Jason unfortunately started off with poor information as he searched forums looking for answers and found the most dangerous thing of all. A lot of people with a little knowledge. Wether he has learned his lesson or not remains to be seen but he makes his statements from a window carrying his name and reputation not hidden behind a username. But I would say Jason has grown and has certainly gained my respect. Admitting a failing at times takes courage, wanting to learn from a mistake is admirable.
As for Hammer, I would be telling a lie if I said i was not in someway offended by some of the comments from users on the forum. Having insisted on seeing every product and knowing every detail of the operation before agreeing to work for someone i find it quite sad that others simply guess as they have nothing better to do. I am more than a little annoyed if im truthful but not at all surprised.
I have seen the investment, the money spent on new profiles to get things to where someone is genuinely proud of their efforts. If you in anyway shape or form think this is simply relabelling pre existing bats then you are highlighting your lack of knowledge.
What burns me more than anything else is not that it's a project i worked on, more that people like Paul get dragged into these pointless discussions and it damages them. These rumours, idle titbits of fact-less gossip damaged people that have actually put their money and reputations on the line. A speculative comment on where a bat is manufactured without substance may seem like a good conversation topic for some trying to gain kudos in the eyes of their so called peers but often the effect could be that a particular company may shift 50-60 less bats of the back of it and that either a job lost or mortgage payments unpaid. Gossips is damaging and soon someone will cross the line of what is acceptable. I expect nothing more than to see some tardy response from those seeking to gain that level of oneupmanship. I'll just take on board the comments from those that matter.
All i'd ask of anyone is that they treat people as they would expect people to treat them... good, bad or indifferent just expect the same in return.
care to share?
You have my number Mike you are always welcome to call and I'll always answer as best I can.
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I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.
The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.
Made at the Fearnley factory, but I believe by a bat maker that Slazenger bought in themselves.
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As many of you will be aware, Jason isn't on the forum - and based on threads like this, I can certainly see why! He does however have a message for the CBF community. This opinion is directly from Jason, and don't represent my views, or those of IJC as a business and exclusive stockist of Hammer Cricket, but I thought it would be worth sharing them with you:
"To all on custom bats and any other forumites reading this….
Let me start off by saying sorry to anyone who i have ever pissed off…its never been my intention..i am still very new to the cricket industry and being stuck in the middle of america doesn't exactly give me the opportunity to learn from anybody….im stuck with Skype, twitter and facebook connecting with people all over the world trying to make an honest living…
To Mr Wilkie.. ive obviously ruffled your feathers at some point..for that i do apologise. the reason for me banning you from my facebook page is simple…ive been asked by my bat makers not to mention their names..the reason behind that is its easy to sell bats going around telling people that Tim Keeley made them…for the record....ive never even spoken to the guy and only know what he looks like from antiques roadshow..so for that reason when you come on my public forums shouting out that TK and JL makes your bats…you have the potential to not only ruin my business but also the opportunity to put me out of business…and now that i have 2 little girls to care for, you are not just messing with me but also messing with my family. …So please..be careful with what you say as it can easily get back to the bat makers who can very easily stop giving me bats..
as with the MSR pics….i never once mentioned who the pics belonged to or mentioned where i got them..my post was to cricket buffs for information on the contents of the pics..still not sure why you got upset about it..
the GN dynadrive issue on facebook…this was brought up through a post..someone was trying to sell me their 5 grains screaming cat that they paid $700 USD….please raise your hands if you would pay that kind of money for even a G2 , never mind a G3 cricket bat, full of blemishes…come on, i dare you..the dynadrive experiment was to see if anyone else was brave enough to buy a great pinging bat for more money that is was actually worth…if you were following the thread you would of seen all the way along that this was just an experiment and would probably never of happened…as it turned out i got in 8 dynadrives from GN and all were presold before they even got here so i didn't get the chance to follow it up..
My shiny stickers…no one is forcing any of you guys to buy my bats, but i believe im putting out an extremely good product…yes its expensive but quality costs money…ive got 2 of who i think are probably in the top 10 best bat makers i the world…guess what…that costs money.putting a made in ENG, or made in NZ sticker on a bat is expensive, i think its better than made in PAK or IND..made in ENG carries a lot of weight…but guess what, its worth it...i have the best most expensive stickers in the world…made in ENG of course…guess what..that costs money, my grips are expensive…my bats covers are expensive…
but none of those things are the most expensive…guess what kills me…shipping…20 bats will cost me upwards of $400 USD to get to the uk…a pack of decals..$50….grips…$50….bat covers…200 of them cost me $1000 to get to the US…..you don't want to know what my softs are costing me to get them here…..64 sets of pads and 64 sets of gloves….try $2K..
not to mention that Marcus guy….damn that guy doesn't come cheap…but guess what…probably from my experience…the bloody best in the business…
So if anyone wants to challenge me and tell me my bats are (No Swearing Please)….lets hear it..i dare you..
lets please remember im not the first person or company to sell bats made by a sub contracted bat maker…in the essence of not throwing any small UK brands under the bus..( you know who they all are ) but lets think of Kookaburra, slazenger, Nike, Gray nicolls, reebok, puma etc etc etc….all of which use someone else to make their bats for them..please tell me how i am different from any of these companies…
If any of you have seen my new 2013 Hel 156…you will see its a completely unique to me …custom designed by me…yes with the help of my two bat makers…but all my ideas.( yes i may have stolen parts of other cricket bats to make a " hybrid " but i think its perfect and for Paul from IJC to say he loves the shape and will probably use it himself….i think thats pretty cool..
on the NZ made bats…i personally got some of their branded bats and they were planks…but we all know this just means the bats are hard and they need to open up..much like 2012 GM bats…i don't know how he does his pressing but asked him to do whatever he needed to do to make them ping well from ball 1…i believe first impressions last and therefore would sacrifice the bat lasting a little longer for a bat that the person can be impressed with from the beginning..so yes they are pressed differently from his standard bats.
so i think in closing…thanks to the people who have supported my brand..i know i can be thik headed, dumb and loud mouthed at times…but america is a long way away and sometimes i have to shout for people to hear me…especially the aussies, kiwis and you guys…
for those who think i am scamming people..yes i have screwed up a few times but anyones who knows me outside of the forums knows im a genuine guy who is not here to rip people off.
as far as getting you guys fired up..come on its far to easy…i have a facebook page with almost 6000 fans and more than 1000 on twitter…getting close to 1.3 millions views on youtube….my goal when i make controversial statements is to get you guys talking about me….if you want to " not " help me the best thing you can do is shut up….when you comment on my facebook page…guess what, all the people you know on facebook sees a little note that says…john doe commented on cricket store eon lines post…thats what im after… and guess what, if i don't like what you say…..im gonna ban your ass…..:)thats my call..not yours.
anyway…hope you guys have a bit of fun at my expense..next round is on me…i have a wife and two daughters to feed and look after…im not going to stop anytime soon because this is all going to well for me..Im in the UK..next is SA, NZ and then AUS…which one of you don't wish you were doing daily what im doing…come on..lets have some fun and stick it to the big guys..
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to lock this topic and bring up any queries with Jason directly?
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I like the cut of his jib
Good luck to you Jason likei said good danglies
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thats awesome
i like him
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Paul are the just made with cane handles??
is there any light weight ones in store
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Paul are the just made with cane handles??
is there any light weight ones in store
How many bats is that?
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Hats off to Jason as it was me who made the initial MSR comment and for that I apologise.
Can you see how much kudos and respect you can get for just being honest? and in a roundabout way that was what I was after. No we all know the ins and outs of running a company through someone being honest.
Again apologies To Jason and Paul but at least we had a nice discussion and raised the Hammer Profile. Now whoever searches Hammer Bats..... Will instantly know the deal.
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With that I'm going to lock this thread. I'd hope that everyone who has read it takes on board both Jason's and Marcus' comments. And takes a trip to IJC to see the bats in the flesh.