Topic: Hammer Bats... (Read 13402 times)

Canners · « **Reply #45 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:20:59 PM »

Quote from: M77 on December 18, 2012, 05:38:55 PM

I see the gate to the nursing home has been left open again...

More idle gossip and drivel from people guessing.

would love to hear your opinion............

as you are the all seeing eye afterall

procricket · « **Reply #46 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:22:57 PM »

I have Heard his opinion he has a very valid point.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:25:07 PM »

I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.

The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.

Canners · « **Reply #48 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:25:42 PM »

Quote from: procricket on December 18, 2012, 06:22:57 PM

I have Heard his opinion he has a very valid point.

care to share?

Canners · « **Reply #49 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:26:05 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on December 18, 2012, 06:25:07 PM

I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.

The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.

spot on mate

Karan62 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:27:55 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on December 18, 2012, 06:25:07 PM

I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.

The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.

Rightly said, people are digging at hammer bats because of past experience with the brand owner, not the bat which is surely the most important thing considering that if we ever were going to buy a hammer it would be from paul.

procricket · « **Reply #51 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:29:10 PM »

Quote from: Canners on December 18, 2012, 06:25:42 PM

care to share?

As the topic is talking about people earning a crust not just the people directly involved but there others.

For me I see things simple nowadays if I do not like it best not say anything my opinion is only mine.

But if there made by the master batmaker himself then the product is quality.

Pricing is up to them not my business

Aswani Cricket · « **Reply #52 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:36:57 PM »

Quote from: wilkie113 on December 18, 2012, 04:34:20 PM

I'm not doubting there good sticks at all. They are clearly good bats as you see the amount of lavers on here. Not to mention the amount of people really liking newberys and other people who sell tk bats. My opinion is why would you go and get a hammer. When you can get a laver direct, even the top end newberys sps is cheaper (if I'm not mistaken) than these platinum hammers. Agree to disagree in this subject Paul. As I believe the naive people of the market will see the shiny stickers and buy the bats, not knowing who there made by and where they come from.

You are making a valid point. But I would guess the average punter would assume bats were made by the brand name on the front of them; the more savvy would understand they may not be and try to find out the bat maker, and the real die hard CBF surfer would know exactly who is making what, of course

But as retailers, we try to offer some variety. Some people go for the well known brand, some go for shiny stickers, some go for looks, some go for the mallet test, some go for something different and exclusive. Some pay more, some pay less. Some go for the newest thing, some go for the end of season sales. Why on earth would you buy a brand new bat, when you can have the same in a year or two's time at half the price? The �1000 Newbery bat ... does it perform better than a Newbery SPS? Maybe yes, maybe no. Do people buy it? Yes they do. Why? The Ferrari example is a good one.

If you're in the know, then yes, it's very valid to go direct to the manufacturer, if you know who that is. If you're in love with a Puma Ballistic 6000 or Tribute 6000, you'll end up in the UK. If it's the Vendetta 6000 (same price tag), you'll end up in India.

If you had a Newbery Uzi junior bat a couple of years ago and you loved it, you'll end up in South Africa. Now you've grown and need a short handle bat, are you going to stick with the South African batmaker or turn to the UK batmaker who you may know nothing about? But both are Newbery bats. The average punter doesn't have access to the manufacturers or brands, and the retailer is bringing those brands, well known as well as unknown, to the customer.

Blazer · « **Reply #53 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:44:30 PM »

I believe Jason's Hammer bats were intended for the U.S customers right at their doorstep rather than waiting for shipment from abroad . He is after all providing the highest quality product available from the best of the bat makers which I feel is an unique service in the U.S market. The price therefore reflects the quality. He is a very astute businessman and has gone from strength to strength .

M77 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:48:57 PM »

Quote from: wilkie113 on December 18, 2012, 05:57:14 PM

Care to explain what you mean? Isn't the nursing home for old people? lol

For the old or in this instance the infirm or factually challenged.

What irritates me about all this aside from the lack of genuine understanding is that people seem to make stuff up as they go.

How many people comment on quality when they have never held or owned something? Others that speculate about the processes of manufacturing when they have no clue.

Yes, im irritated that someones integrity has been called into question.

I am quite strict about whom i work for and I have morals. I like people that I do business with to have some substance and greater understanding of business itself before I work with them. Which is why i often turn away "easy money" or advise the unpopular answers as a good reputation is worth more to me that a few thousand pounds. Something i'm sure a few of the sponsors and up and coming young batmakers that frequent the forum would testify too.

Having seen some of the comments about Jason I can confirm that he has once or twice shot himself in the foot and been an (No Swearing Please). I have personally called him these things to his face via skype. Jason unfortunately started off with poor information as he searched forums looking for answers and found the most dangerous thing of all. A lot of people with a little knowledge. Wether he has learned his lesson or not remains to be seen but he makes his statements from a window carrying his name and reputation not hidden behind a username. But I would say Jason has grown and has certainly gained my respect. Admitting a failing at times takes courage, wanting to learn from a mistake is admirable.

As for Hammer, I would be telling a lie if I said i was not in someway offended by some of the comments from users on the forum. Having insisted on seeing every product and knowing every detail of the operation before agreeing to work for someone i find it quite sad that others simply guess as they have nothing better to do. I am more than a little annoyed if im truthful but not at all surprised.

I have seen the investment, the money spent on new profiles to get things to where someone is genuinely proud of their efforts. If you in anyway shape or form think this is simply relabelling pre existing bats then you are highlighting your lack of knowledge.

What burns me more than anything else is not that it's a project i worked on, more that people like Paul get dragged into these pointless discussions and it damages them. These rumours, idle titbits of fact-less gossip damaged people that have actually put their money and reputations on the line. A speculative comment on where a bat is manufactured without substance may seem like a good conversation topic for some trying to gain kudos in the eyes of their so called peers but often the effect could be that a particular company may shift 50-60 less bats of the back of it and that either a job lost or mortgage payments unpaid. Gossips is damaging and soon someone will cross the line of what is acceptable. I expect nothing more than to see some tardy response from those seeking to gain that level of oneupmanship. I'll just take on board the comments from those that matter.

All i'd ask of anyone is that they treat people as they would expect people to treat them... good, bad or indifferent just expect the same in return.

Quote from: Canners on December 18, 2012, 06:25:42 PM

care to share?

You have my number Mike you are always welcome to call and I'll always answer as best I can.

Vitas Cricket · « **Reply #55 on:** December 18, 2012, 06:55:24 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on December 18, 2012, 06:25:07 PM

I was with Paul today at his IJC shop and I will say that the hammer bats are excellent in both looks and pick up also rebound with the mallet was superb. They are expensive but so what, if you don't want to spend the money then buy something elsa.

The other thing I will say is a lot of people have commented on the V12 and how nice that is etc. isn't that an overpriced Duncan Fernley? There are only a handful of actual bat makers in the world so out sourcing happens all the time. In the current climate people are just trying to make a living and that includes the bat makers, and retailers.

Made at the Fearnley factory, but I believe by a bat maker that Slazenger bought in themselves.

ItsJustCricket · « **Reply #56 on:** December 18, 2012, 07:00:40 PM »

As many of you will be aware, Jason isn't on the forum - and based on threads like this, I can certainly see why! He does however have a message for the CBF community. This opinion is directly from Jason, and don't represent my views, or those of IJC as a business and exclusive stockist of Hammer Cricket, but I thought it would be worth sharing them with you:

"To all on custom bats and any other forumites reading this�.

Let me start off by saying sorry to anyone who i have ever pissed off�its never been my intention..i am still very new to the cricket industry and being stuck in the middle of america doesn't exactly give me the opportunity to learn from anybody�.im stuck with Skype, twitter and facebook connecting with people all over the world trying to make an honest living�

To Mr Wilkie.. ive obviously ruffled your feathers at some point..for that i do apologise. the reason for me banning you from my facebook page is simple�ive been asked by my bat makers not to mention their names..the reason behind that is its easy to sell bats going around telling people that Tim Keeley made them�for the record....ive never even spoken to the guy and only know what he looks like from antiques roadshow..so for that reason when you come on my public forums shouting out that TK and JL makes your bats�you have the potential to not only ruin my business but also the opportunity to put me out of business�and now that i have 2 little girls to care for, you are not just messing with me but also messing with my family. �So please..be careful with what you say as it can easily get back to the bat makers who can very easily stop giving me bats..

as with the MSR pics�.i never once mentioned who the pics belonged to or mentioned where i got them..my post was to cricket buffs for information on the contents of the pics..still not sure why you got upset about it..

the GN dynadrive issue on facebook�this was brought up through a post..someone was trying to sell me their 5 grains screaming cat that they paid $700 USD�.please raise your hands if you would pay that kind of money for even a G2 , never mind a G3 cricket bat, full of blemishes�come on, i dare you..the dynadrive experiment was to see if anyone else was brave enough to buy a great pinging bat for more money that is was actually worth�if you were following the thread you would of seen all the way along that this was just an experiment and would probably never of happened�as it turned out i got in 8 dynadrives from GN and all were presold before they even got here so i didn't get the chance to follow it up..

My shiny stickers�no one is forcing any of you guys to buy my bats, but i believe im putting out an extremely good product�yes its expensive but quality costs money�ive got 2 of who i think are probably in the top 10 best bat makers i the world�guess what�that costs money.putting a made in ENG, or made in NZ sticker on a bat is expensive, i think its better than made in PAK or IND..made in ENG carries a lot of weight�but guess what, its worth it...i have the best most expensive stickers in the world�made in ENG of course�guess what..that costs money, my grips are expensive�my bats covers are expensive�

but none of those things are the most expensive�guess what kills me�shipping�20 bats will cost me upwards of $400 USD to get to the uk�a pack of decals..$50�.grips�$50�.bat covers�200 of them cost me $1000 to get to the US�..you don't want to know what my softs are costing me to get them here�..64 sets of pads and 64 sets of gloves�.try $2K..

not to mention that Marcus guy�.damn that guy doesn't come cheap�but guess what�probably from my experience�the bloody best in the business�

So if anyone wants to challenge me and tell me my bats are (No Swearing Please)�.lets hear it..i dare you..

lets please remember im not the first person or company to sell bats made by a sub contracted bat maker�in the essence of not throwing any small UK brands under the bus..( you know who they all are ) but lets think of Kookaburra, slazenger, Nike, Gray nicolls, reebok, puma etc etc etc�.all of which use someone else to make their bats for them..please tell me how i am different from any of these companies�

If any of you have seen my new 2013 Hel 156�you will see its a completely unique to me �custom designed by me�yes with the help of my two bat makers�but all my ideas.( yes i may have stolen parts of other cricket bats to make a " hybrid " but i think its perfect and for Paul from IJC to say he loves the shape and will probably use it himself�.i think thats pretty cool..

on the NZ made bats�i personally got some of their branded bats and they were planks�but we all know this just means the bats are hard and they need to open up..much like 2012 GM bats�i don't know how he does his pressing but asked him to do whatever he needed to do to make them ping well from ball 1�i believe first impressions last and therefore would sacrifice the bat lasting a little longer for a bat that the person can be impressed with from the beginning..so yes they are pressed differently from his standard bats.

so i think in closing�thanks to the people who have supported my brand..i know i can be thik headed, dumb and loud mouthed at times�but america is a long way away and sometimes i have to shout for people to hear me�especially the aussies, kiwis and you guys�

for those who think i am scamming people..yes i have screwed up a few times but anyones who knows me outside of the forums knows im a genuine guy who is not here to rip people off.

as far as getting you guys fired up..come on its far to easy�i have a facebook page with almost 6000 fans and more than 1000 on twitter�getting close to 1.3 millions views on youtube�.my goal when i make controversial statements is to get you guys talking about me�.if you want to " not " help me the best thing you can do is shut up�.when you comment on my facebook page�guess what, all the people you know on facebook sees a little note that says�john doe commented on cricket store eon lines post�thats what im after� and guess what, if i don't like what you say�..im gonna ban your ass�..:)thats my call..not yours.

anyway�hope you guys have a bit of fun at my expense..next round is on me�i have a wife and two daughters to feed and look after�im not going to stop anytime soon because this is all going to well for me..Im in the UK..next is SA, NZ and then AUS�which one of you don't wish you were doing daily what im doing�come on..lets have some fun and stick it to the big guys..

RightArmRapid · « **Reply #57 on:** December 18, 2012, 07:01:28 PM »

Perhaps it would be a good idea to lock this topic and bring up any queries with Jason directly?

procricket · « **Reply #58 on:** December 18, 2012, 07:07:30 PM »

I like the cut of his jib

Good luck to you Jason likei said good danglies

cricketbadger · « **Reply #59 on:** December 18, 2012, 07:09:06 PM »

thats awesome
i like him

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