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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: moin on January 01, 2013, 06:43:22 PM
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Hi guys i bought a screaming cat professional series 1 couple of weeks ago, yesterday my friend said at the nets that it does not look like a series 1. Could you guys check it out and tell me which series it looks like please :)
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This should help you -
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=7712.0
And where did you buy the Scat from?
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any luck with the pictures Moin?
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I am stinot able to post them, can anyone post them on my behalf ? I can e-mail the photos.
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Do you have them in photobucket?
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A shot of the side profile will be really helpful. From what I've read, there should be a couple of letters stamped onto the shoulder of the bat - which is supposed to be the initials of the original owner?
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Its the (now) infamous stolen one from our man in Pakistan.
I think the consensus was, last time it was discussed, is that's probably real, just obtained fraudulently (and by all accounts, a plank)
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How can you tell Dan? Not questioning your assessment (it was the first thing I thought, or else that one that came up for sale on here that was faked) but what tells you it's the very same hooky bat?
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Could anyone please tell me whats going on here ? Whats this all about ?
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Could anyone please tell me whats going on here ? Whats this all about ?
If you post pictures from the side and of the shoulders, it will make it a lot easier to explain...
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I suspected it (the number of enthusiastic Pakistan based players discussing the purchase of expensive bats (and only expensive bats) but then offering limited information when requested will always ring alarm bells) though I've seen pictures of the bat in question and there's no doubt they're identical.
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Are you trying to say I have stolen this bat ? I have bought it from my cousin.
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This is the bat off cricket insight adularrahan or whatever he was called
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Who is your cousin as the former owner of the bat Dan is talking about was once a member on this forum
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I suspected it (the number of enthusiastic Pakistan based players discussing the purchase of expensive bats but then offering limited information when requested will always ring alarm bells) though I've seen pictures of the bat in question and there's no question they're identical.
Fair enough! If you have the original pics to hand then it's probably quite obvious. Good detective skills that man!
Could anyone please tell me whats going on here ? Whats this all about ?
This was a bat bought using a stolen credit card. It was quite well publicised on here and on another forum at the time as a number of retailers lost out in this particular scam.
Not suggesting you have personally done anything wrong or that you knew it's history. Where did you say you got it again? You say in another post that your Malik bat is at your Uncle's shop.....was it from him?
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All very suspicious tbh.
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Who is your cousin as the former owner of the bat Dan is talking about was once a member on this forum
Hang on, wasn't this particular bat bought direct from the retailer/maker? Hence the ability to use a stolen credit card? There were two. One was a fairly obvious fake that someone tried to sell on here that had been supplied by a former forum member (as used) and this one that was bought direct (or so I thought??)
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No sir my uncle just deals in cheap bats not expensive ones, I bought this bat used a couple of weeks ago
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could you please post a link ?
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=18876.30
Not sure if this contains your bat but this is what the fuss was all about. If this is the Scat in question there was definitely a thread on here about it somewhere....
There is a reference to Julian Millichamp having been a victim of this scam though...on page 2 or 3 I think.....
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No sir my uncle just deals in cheap bats not expensive ones, I bought this bat used a couple of weeks ago
But who did you buy it from? Do you know them well? If you bought it used then it's more likely to be the particular bat in question. I can't imagine there are many used Scats floating around in Pakistan...
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See mate i live in Karachi and the people that stole the bat you talk about as written in that post is either in Lahore or Sarghoda ! No i dont know the guy but i can tell you tomorrow after I ask my cousin.
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The Scat in question isn't on here. It was on CIF. The chap who bought it is banned from here
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Who was the chap ?
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See mate i live in Karachi and the people that stole the bat you talk about as written in that post is either in Lahore or Sarghoda ! No i dont know the guy but i can tell you tomorrow after I ask my cousin.
Really? Funny how a bat could travel halfway around the world to Pakistan from Australia but not across the country to another city within it? That's not the best of excuses really! And no one is suggesting you actually stole it just that the bat you have is quite possibly stolen.
As a matter of interest how much did you pay for it?
The Scat in question isn't on here. It was on CIF. The chap who bought it is banned from here
Aaah! My bad! Thanks for the clarification Johnny!
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The Scat in question isn't on here. It was on CIF. The chap who bought it is banned from here
I didn't think he was ever on here was he? I could be mistaken, memory wasn't what it should be!
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Dan, I rejected his membership request I think, so you may be right.
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That lad managed to post once before CD pointed out he was the same guy who was the fraudster and was subsequently banned.
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The lad who bought the stolen scat bat was Abdulrehman Haroon he bought the bat from Sarmad on pak passion forum and tried selling it on cricket insight.
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Some pics of the stolen scat bat
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx165/d7bow/41B9985E-6DAD-46EE-8566-CC40D929BFB0-6977-0000058718017CA7.jpg)(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx165/d7bow/41DC8645-0C32-467C-B61A-433FCF99269A-6977-0000058710B0311F.jpg)
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why has the original post been edited and the pictures removed?
very very dodgy
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Was just about to say the same thing.
Is anyone else getting fed up with all the dodgy members we have been getting recently?
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very very fed up, this place has changed
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It hasn't you just have to choose what you listen to and who you talk to.
The good people are still on here honest but some treat it like a one shop market place now
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i meant it slightly tongue in cheek, still love the place
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Still think the forum is a great place.
Some of these con-artists deserve a right good kicking.
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It's only going to get worse as this forum continues it's march towards being a bring and buy sale for cricket gear as opposed to a forum for debate! Like Dave says though, pick your business associates wisely, do your homework, don't believe half of what you read and it will all be fine! :D
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not all us newbies are bad :).. Well Buzz thinks I am but hopefully he's the only one :)
Just limit sales to sales threads. Have zero postings about business on debate threads. That way if you want to risk it you visit the sales threads, if you are here for deals then visit the forum sponsors threads in their sections. If you want the debates, just steer clear.
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I'm not sure that newcomers realise the attention to detail of members. As admin, there is a limi to what we can spot at the registration level, and your attention to detail is always appreciated...
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What also seems the norm now adays is people having a pop too easily. The lad asked if the bat was real or not. Wasn't trying to sell it. Surely we need to be a bit more welcoming and offer our worldly advise. Not jump down people's throats.
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It's amazing how many times this bat has popped up (if it is indeed the same bat) if so then you have to question how it found its way in to the hands of the current owner.
There's still plenty of trustworthy people on here, it's just the minority that spoil it for everyone.
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puts me off posting things up for sale myself and buying things, dont want to be branded as just using its for selling, or risk getting scammed
like its been mentioned, have to be very careful. other the past year i've been on the forum its become very clear to me who are the decent honest people and best to deal with.
i for one have been guilty for having a pop a few times, its just built up over time and unfortunately come out. i apologise
love it here
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Give Tom about 20 minutes looking and he will get to the bottom of this!
All seems a little fishy with the deletion of the other pictures!
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This whole thread is strange
If I wanted to know what series my screaming cat was I'd look on their website
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What also seems the norm now adays is people having a pop too easily. The lad asked if the bat was real or not. Wasn't trying to sell it. Surely we need to be a bit more welcoming and offer our worldly advise. Not jump down people's throats.
In most cases I would agree, it can be quite an intimidating place to 'pop' into. In this particular case the evasiveness of his answers whether intentional or not only lend credence to the thought that he is fully aware of the history of this bat and has been 'rumbled' If he bought it through legitimate channels he wouldn't have to ask these questions would he? It may just be that he is guilty of being foolish but that is no defence! (Well, it might be in Pakistan but I'm pretty sure it's not in the UK!)
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Does Julian put series 1 stickers on other bats?
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Everytime that SCAT or anyother bats related to the whole thing have surfaced it has either been: Are they good? or Wow they are fantastic? look at the posts on pakpassion where they are doing reviews etc etc... they all start with i got this bat, isn't it awesome..
AbdulRehman on CIF and i think he had the same username here... guys originally involved was Sarmad on twitter...
to be fair CIF guy was claiming it was a plank, said he even offered to send it back to JM but he declined etc. etc.... as soon as moin posted bubber sher from his uncle's shop alarms went off for me....but i also know CIF guy was trying to sell it to "recoup" some of his costs....
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What also seems the norm now adays is people having a pop too easily. The lad asked if the bat was real or not. Wasn't trying to sell it. Surely we need to be a bit more welcoming and offer our worldly advise. Not jump down people's throats.
I think it's quite right that the source of such a bat gets discussed and 'outed'. It's only through these sorts of discussions that the fakers and fraudsters get found out (and the hiding of which has helped them flourish). I'm sure there's enough recycling of the "show us your grain" threads to ying up the rather stern yang of these sorts of threads. They are both essential though!
puts me off posting things up for sale myself and buying things, dont want to be branded as just using its for selling, or risk getting scammed
But you've got 400+ posts to your name...No one could call you up for 'just selling'.
In any case, I'm not sure many people are tbh, the problem (of people registgering just to sell) is imagined to be a lot bigger than it actually is. Sure there's kids and Del Boy types, but they get quickly found out and suitably disregarded (or Daddy comes in to tell them to stop!).
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What I'd still like to know, is what happened to watsontotty/Nathrobbo's "scat"!
One that got a bit hushed away...
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What I'd still like to know, is what happened to watsontotty/Nathrobbo's "scat"!
One that got a bit hushed away...
yeah don't remember seeing an update on it expect for its being looked into...
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I think I heard somewhere that it actually wasn't a scat (surprise, surprise) but I don't know what else has happened. I'd love to know what it actually was in reality...
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My fault on the comms front.
Yes, we pretty much proved the nathrobbo Scat was fake (I had a ton of email to-Ing and fro-ing with Mr Millichamp himself)
Mr Watson has gone underground it seems - don't think Nath got his money back :(
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My fault on the comms front.
Yes, we pretty much proved the nathrobbo Scat was fake (I had a ton of email to-Ing and fro-ing with Mr Millichamp himself)
Mr Watson has gone underground it seems - don't think Nath got his money back :(
Thats a shame, you gotta feel for the buyer even if its buyer beware...i can't remember if it had stickers on it but if it did (which i think it did) the original seller did some handy work didn't he!!
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Yes, it did have stickers
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But I think the point in that one, is that previously I wouldn't have doubted any bat with the SC stickers...And now we have reason to suspect that they aren't the guarantee of a genuine bat.
Of course, it did help that the bat they decided to use for the fake was shaped as such that Felix Baumgartner could spot it was dodgy was nice of them...
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Of course, it did help that the bat they decided to use for the fake was shaped as such that Felix Baumgartner could spot it was dodgy was nice of them...
Ok, so it's only 2nd January, but this could still easily be comment of the year! :D
To be fair, even from the stratosphere you'd need to know the original shape before you could spot the fake. But luckily JM takes precautions to safe guard his work - all SCATs being serialised
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What I'd still like to know, is what happened to watsontotty/Nathrobbo's "scat"!
One that got a bit hushed away...
I've still got it, I've tried to get in contact with Rich - Watsontotty - and since doing so he hasn't come on the forum since or refunded my money.
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Hey iam dave he is rich it the WATSON thing
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Hey iam dave he is rich it the WATSON thing
My bad, I'll change it now. Sorry.
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I emailed him directly too - no joy :(
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puts me off posting things up for sale myself and buying things, dont want to be branded as just using its for selling, or risk getting scammed
like its been mentioned, have to be very careful. other the past year i've been on the forum its become very clear to me who are the decent honest people and best to deal with.
i for one have been guilty for having a pop a few times, its just built up over time and unfortunately come out. i apologise
love it here
Its a real shame that a minority make people wary of the forum as I've been utterly addicted for the last 18 months or so since I joined and I'm sure most others have too. I think its definitely a case of people having to be a bit more careful when buying in future and sticking to buying from those who have been around for a while would seem a good idea. Using the feedback function properly whenever you buy or sell would also help potential buyers. Whilst I've bought/sold a few things on here its definitely a forum first rather than an ebay replacement.
Nath - I don't really get that involved with stuff like the shaq saga but really sorry to hear you've been ripped off.
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Would echo that gdb19 its buyer beware on here same as anywhere else and you do need to be careful who you buy from on here.generally its good thou i personally think its a shame some sell on here just to avoid ebay fees.personally i buy and sell some bits on ebay rather than here.
There is an advantage in cbf thou some very good batmakers and retailers are on here and that helps them deal direct and sometimes does get us club cricketers a better bat than we would normally-and that can only be good
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I totally agree mate.
I have only bought from retailers on here for a while now. Much less of a headache. After all this Shaq business the worry when posting something would be too much for frail old me...
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I think if you look back through a members posts, you can generally get a feel for the type of character. There are certainly people on here who I would know I could buy from (normally those with 2000+ posts), who have built up a bit of a reputation. I would probably be a bit wary of buying from some-one with less than 750, and would definitely not buy from a member who had raced to 50. Buyer beware for sure!
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I think if you look back through a members posts, you can generally get a feel for the type of character. There are certainly people on here who I would know I could buy from (normally those with 2000+ posts), who have built up a bit of a reputation. I would probably be a bit wary of buying from some-one with less than 750, and would definitely not buy from a member who had raced to 50. Buyer beware for sure!
Just curious... Would you buy from me if lets just say i put this up for sale? :
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=19728.0
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For what it's worth here is my opinion.
I think banning someone for not posting regularly is a little unfair. Not all of us have a lot to say, sometimes we prefer to just read and take things in. Thanks to the forum I've picked up some great kit, a lot of it at a third of the regular price. Cricket has always fascinated me but since joining the forum I've developed a new found passion for learning about the art that is bat making and the research that goes with it. I would be reluctant to buy off anybody if I'm honest unless I knew exactly what I was getting in terms of service. I personally feel that 50 posts is a real minute amount of posts.
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Just curious... Would you buy from me if lets just say i put this up for sale? :
[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=19728.0[/url]
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I would if it has highly discounted
I would if it was discounted further
I tend not to care about people's lost count but if I do not know you I am wiery
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Who said anything about banning members who don't post regularly?
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Fair enough mate!
So we scrutinise less the less we pay?
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Nope
I read quality of posts not number
I had thousands of posts half of them crap but I hope the other half show people iam honest and trustworthy and have a little idea about kit
For instance you have a bat you have used and used so that says to me something
You out of you 18 posts have talked other than little dittys about nothing
I do not look at post counts I just spend long enough o here to realise a scammer from a non scammer and if I need to blow my trumpet I'am normally not wrong
New or old poster I like to to everybody's welcome thy are with me there some good people on here
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Thats very true. In most cases a scammer doesnt make time to chit chat...
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Nope
I read quality of posts not number
I had thousands of posts half of them crap but I hope the other half show people iam honest and trustworthy and have a little idea about kit
For instance you have a bat you have used and used so that says to me something
You out of you 18 posts have talked other than little dittys about nothing
I do not look at post counts I just spend long enough o here to realise a scammer from a non scammer and if I need to blow my trumpet I'am normally not wrong
New or old poster I like to to everybody's welcome thy are with me
I agree with Dave.
And no manno, I wouldn't buy from you, and its nothing personal, I just wouldn't buy on here from people who I don't know. And with only 18 posts, I haven't had a chance to realise what you're about. Perhaps post count is a bit strong, but it takes a long time to build up some semblance of familiarity with some-one over the internet, and I reckon thats about 1800+ posts.
At the end of the day, if you're trustworthy and a good bloke, you'll stick around and make yourself a valued member of the forum.
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1800??? That's a shame. I can tell you it takes me reading just a handful of posts from a member to know the type of person they are.
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Maybe 1000. Easy to blag 30-40 posts mate to lul every-one into a false sense of security! Besides, as its my money, I'll decide how to spend it and who to spend it on! If you're any different then that's perfectly OK by me!
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I tend to to try to not sell to people that have less than a number or quality of posts either - just one of those things.
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Maybe 1000. Easy to blag 30-40 posts mate to lul every-one into a false sense of security! Besides, as its my money, I'll decide how to spend it and who to spend it on! If you're any different then that's perfectly OK by me!
What a cunning ruse that would be!
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I'm dodgy as hell me, wouldn't trust me with a barge pole. Never pay up either :)
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I'm dodgy as hell me, wouldn't trust me with a barge pole. Never pay up either :)
Doesn't mean I trust you! Not getting into an argument as it would just be petty!
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Doesn't mean I trust you! Not getting into an argument as it would just be petty!
Charming :)
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Remember everybody a new bloke is every bit as welcome as a experienced poster no elitism here remember a certain big wig thought of very highly member on here who was taken in by everybody and was in here for years ran off with people bats money
The admin do a decent job but as members we all have our part to play 1 post or 100000
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OK OK, my argument I think is being diluted here. All I'm saying is that it would take a lot longer than 50 posts for me to build up enough of a picture of a member enough to do business with them and perhaps you're all right, you're definitely a valued member of the forum PC1982, so maybe I'm being a bit strong. But as I've said already its my money and how I spend it, is my business!
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I agree with Dave.
Perhaps post count is a bit strong, but it takes a long time to build up some semblance of familiarity with some-one over the internet, and I reckon thats about 1800+ posts.
I agree with Procricket too.
Judging by post count may work as a rule of thumb, but how many posts did Brimble or Watsontotty have before they went south with members' readies?
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I'm with you Nick. There are a lot of dodgy people about, 50 posts isn't really enough for me to feel comfortable that I know where someone is coming from or the sort of person they are. As this forum offers very little in the way of protection then however anyone chooses to protect themselves shouldn't be questioned. Seems some are a little offended by this notion and I find that very hard to understand! Look after yourselves because no one else will!
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1800??? That's a shame. I can tell you it takes me reading just a handful of posts from a member to know the type of person they are.
Now there's a statement looking for a problem. I'm very pleased for you that it takes you so little time to determine character, however, I sincerely hope you aren't being naïve.
I'm with you Nick. There are a lot of dodgy people about, 50 posts isn't really enough for me to feel comfortable that I know where someone is coming from or the sort of person they are. As this forum offers very little in the way of protection then however anyone chooses to protect themselves shouldn't be questioned. Seems some are a little offended by this notion and I find that very hard to understand! Look after yourselves because no one else will!
The forum offers no protection really, although we do our best to keep it relatively safe, people don't realise this. It has taken a number of unfortunate events to make that much more clear. Even ebay offers very little protection if someone is truly after your money or goods, unfortunately.
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I can't really tell what anyone is like over the net, all I will do though is treat anyone as a friend until you prove otherwise. Oh and I won't buy anything expensive off non retailers tbh. If I do buy something I'm prepared to lose it as it's a risk.
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As the forum grows your always going to get certain elements nobody is doubting that.
I guess it what people don't say other than what they do say.
Protect yourself and of course it all personal preference I buy normally from mates only too but I do not rule out a sale from anybody who is eligible to sell but I do read all there posts if I do not know them
Question is right it your money do as you will I,am more on about sniffing them out
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Im like Rainman :)
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As long as your not Abdurrehman and flogging dodgy SCs your fine ;)
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1800??? That's a shame. I can tell you it takes me reading just a handful of posts from a member to know the type of person they are.
Trust me you are in for a big surprise, you have missed the fun days. I might not agree with the number of post that Nick mentioned but i do agree with his sentiment.... you have to watch for who you deal with very carefully...there`s been some real interstings things is past...
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Cmon! Its still fun!!!
23 posts!! Almost there now.....
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Cmon! Its still fun!!!
23 posts!! Almost there now.....
Haha yes :) now having said that some are easier to judge than other but its always buyer beware....i go with my gut, have been wrong more times than not :o
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To be fair when you meet a person face to face you have to find some way of working out whether they're trustworthy. On a forum the only way of judging character is through content of posts. That being said someone who perpetually talks crap (like me) can be trustworthy equally someone who spends time building up a good rapport with various members may end up a conman (like brimble). Part of it is luck but unfortunately to try and judge somebody you need to observe them over time. And amount of time spent on the forum is generally directly proportional to number of posts. E.g. due to my small number of posts and relatively small amount of time on the forum i wouldn't be dissapointed if someone refused to buy from me!
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I think there are a couple of points here, we can all judge those who race to 50 posts and suddenly put something up for sale, and then those who are here to learn and have a bit of banter. Yes it does all come down to trust at the end of the day, but this works both ways from both the seller and as we have recently seen the buyer as well.
I've made quite a number of purchases from on here, in fact all my kit has been purchased from either forum members or sponsors! I had no problems purchasing of forum members all who had different levels of posts, I certainly wouldn't buy off anyone who had been on here a matter of weeks and raced to 50 posts, but I do look over someone's history and try and get a feel for them before making my decision.
In general I think that the forum is well run and that the Shaq's/Brimble's are in a minority compared to the most of us who suddenly realise we have more kit than we could possibly ever need!
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Seeing as moin is on pakpassion maybe he got it off sarmad709
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seeing as moin has deleted most of the pics and not posted anything since...he might be Sarmad...
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seeing as moin has deleted most of the pics and not posted anything since...he might be Sarmad...
once Moin deleted the pics off the opening posts (thanks D7bow) we assumed guilt and banned him.
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end up a conman (like brimble).
New to the forum. Can someone please tell me the story behind this person?
or point to a post which describes this incident (s)?
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Just use the search option...check out ShaqHarris as well! ;)
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Hello all, now I am Moin's friend and want to clear up all of this. We play in the same club and Moin told me all about this, I had suggested Moin to take off the pictures of his bat, and Moin can't be Sarmad as Moin is 14 years old. Moin called his cousin and his cousin told him that he bought the bat off a guy named AbdulRahman, Moin did not know that the bat was stolen. To show off he posted that he got it new, Moin paid a good 230 pounds to get this bat as the seller said it was just used in one match and claimed that he did not like playing with a flat faced bat. So Moin did not steal the bat and if he knew the bat was stolen he would never purchase it.
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Fair enough if he's only "14" however in my opinion the bat should be returned to the rightful owner (before it was stolen!) and he should be given a refund
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Could anyone tell me how was it stolen ? and from who was it stolen ?
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Go back through the thread, you'll see all the details you need/want/can be bothered to read.
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Credit card scam; Julian didn't want it back.
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Hello all, now I am Moin's friend and want to clear up all of this. We play in the same club and Moin told me all about this, I had suggested Moin to take off the pictures of his bat, and Moin can't be Sarmad as Moin is 14 years old. Moin called his cousin and his cousin told him that he bought the bat off a guy named AbdulRahman, Moin did not know that the bat was stolen. To show off he posted that he got it new, Moin paid a good 230 pounds to get this bat as the seller said it was just used in one match and claimed that he did not like playing with a flat faced bat. So Moin did not steal the bat and if he knew the bat was stolen he would never purchase it.
Hey mate no disrespect intended but how does someone who is 14 come up with 230 pounds? this bat was purchased using stolen credit card, after shipping the bats the batmaker had the payment rejected etc etc...
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and on CIF forum AbdulRahman was ready to give the bat for 100gbp
so getting 230gbp for that is a lot
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Any money back is pure profit if they have bought it using a stolen credit card, just seen one of our bats up on pak passion that was obtained by such means as well back in may last year.
Staggering that they have the neck to post it up to showcase their stolen goods!!!
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Any money back is pure profit if they have bought it using a stolen credit card, just seen one of our bats up on pak passion that was obtained by such means as well back in may last year.
Staggering that they have the neck to post it up to showcase their stolen goods!!!
I saw that too Ayrtek and commented on this in the "Fraudsters" thread. Sarmad is active again which could spell danger to retailers. Seems little is being done to bring the guy to justice but I guess it's easier said than done...
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Hey mate no disrespect intended but how does someone who is 14 come up with 230 pounds? this bat was purchased using stolen credit card, after shipping the bats the batmaker had the payment rejected etc etc...
Hey mate, he was saving money for a long time for a good bat and his Dad gave him money too, it was his birthday so as a gift his parents got him this bat, as I said earlier they did not know the bat was stolen and the seller claimed it had been bought new and used just in some net practices.