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Equipment => Bats => Willow and Willow Trees.... => Topic started by: joeljonno on January 13, 2013, 03:54:46 PM
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Hi all
I've searched for this on here and cannot see anything, so apologies if it has come up.
Is there any way to tell whether a bat is English or Kashmir willow?
I am aware that Kashmir is generally heavier, harder and darker but I cannot tell with my untrained eye and nothing Kashmir to compare against.
Your advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Hewie
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As far as I know from having a Kashmir bat, the grains are a lot fainter/ not as defined as an ew bat
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and i think you cannot dent kashmir willow with fingernail but you can with english willow
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I've yet to see a Kashmir you ouldn't pick with teh naked eye - the grains tend to be all over the place and the contrast between grains and the willow beteen completely different to an english willow bat
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another myth the heavier / harder thing as with all things natural it will depend
As people have said the grain is fuzzier due to the growing conditions
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And its a different tree
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And its a different tree
I was under the impression that they are the same species just grown in different regions. English in England and Kashmir in .... Wait for it... Kashmir .. And different soils, temperatures, and growing conditions give it different properties... But hey what do I know
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I was under the impression that they are the same species just grown in different regions. English in England and Kashmir in .... Wait for it... Kashmir .. And different soils, temperatures, and growing conditions give it different properties... But hey what do I know
Yup, EWNI or Kashmir as we also know it is often shipped baby trees from the UK to India.
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As Tim says, some companies sell "EWNI" (English Willow Nurtured in India) as distinct from Kashmir Willow and say that it is English Willow seed taken and planted in Kashmir. There is a difference, but due to the growing conditions in India, it will be far inferior to English Willow grown in England.
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I've yet to see a Kashmir you ouldn't pick with teh naked eye - the grains tend to be all over the place and the contrast between grains and the willow beteen completely different to an english willow bat
Often, you'll see a "double grain", ie. a wider grain, then a narrow grain which is almost grey in colour ... then wide, then narrow
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Where can I buy the "seed" for english willow to be shipped here(Canada)?? I have a nice enough yard that I could plant 4-5 and would really like to try it :)
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Where can I buy the "seed" for english willow to be shipped here(Canada)?? I have a nice enough yard that I could plant 4-5 and would really like to try it :)
A yard isn't really enough. You need to have the appropraite soil and water course. For English willow, sodden ground is very important.
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A yard isn't really enough. You need to have the appropraite soil and water course. For English willow, sodden ground is very important.
Its always sodden :( I am right close to the ocean...Yard is long enogh to have two back to back cricket pithces...plus a little trial wouldn't/shouldn't hurt!!
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is that a vineyard. As a yard over here is a bit like coronation street.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2010/12/9/1291906745636/Coronation-Street-titles--006.jpg)
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Tap it up with a mallet. They sound very different...
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is that a vineyard. As a yard over here is a bit like coronation street.
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Haha if you are in the city its small, but i moved in Oct to a new house thats a little outside and comes with a big yard, I needed that so I could let my son run around and have fun as well as build a pitch/net for when he gets older :)....was really trying to convince my wife to move a little further away as there was a house with 3 acres of landscaped & fenced etc etc.. but was too far for here liking...
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Its always sodden :( I am right close to the ocean...Yard is long enogh to have two back to back cricket pithces...plus a little trial wouldn't/shouldn't hurt!!
Salt water would kill them wouldn't it?
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Salt water would kill them wouldn't it?
Not planting them in the ocean mate :)...i am very close like few 100 meters... and the soil water level is fairly high...
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Where can I buy the "seed" for english willow to be shipped here(Canada)?? I have a nice enough yard that I could plant 4-5 and would really like to try it :)
Legendary...thats awesome Tush..
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Wait !. There is a new variant of willow :P . Punjab Willow !!!
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-12-10/chandigarh/35725364_1_willow-andaman-and-nicobar-jalandhar (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-12-10/chandigarh/35725364_1_willow-andaman-and-nicobar-jalandhar)
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They are different trees
English Willow
Family : Salicaceae
Genus : Salix
Species : Alba
Variety : caerulea
Kashmir Willow
Family : Salicaceae
Genus : Salix
Species : Alba
Variety : Fragilii
Not 100% sold on this... Only thing I can find on this variety is called crack willow or brittle willow due to it easily susceptible cracking or breaking in wind, ice and snowy conditions and is grown as an ornamental tree.
Not doubting your knowledge just can't find any info to confirm this.
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hmmmm maybe some EWNI are Fraglii then and therefore the myth of them being heavy... The main reason Salix Fragilis isnt used here.
Actually EWNI must be alba and Kashmir willow maybe a mix.... I'm getting confused myself now!!!!
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hmmmm maybe some EWNI are Fraglii then and therefore the myth of them being heavy... The main reason Salix Fragilis isnt used here.
Actually EWNI must be alba and Kashmir willow maybe a mix.... I'm getting confused myself now!!!!
I'm pretty sure that Kashmir isn't 100% Fragilis - precisely due to the issues of getting a usable cleft out of it. Wouldn't be a surprise if it was a cross though.
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I'm pretty sure that Kashmir isn't 100% Fragilis - precisely due to the issues of getting a usable cleft out of it. Wouldn't be a surprise if it was a cross though.
Also willow in India could end up in a fruit crate they dont [or didn't] have specialist bat willow merchants for there willow...
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The answer to the original question - If you want to be sure you are buying English willow buy from a reputable source! If you are paying £25 for a brand new bat from EBay in all likelihood it is Kashmir
It was off a mate who didn't want it. Fake stickers and the like, so would probably agree that it would seem to be Kashmir, however I want to be certain as I might try to sell it on now I have taken the decals off.
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I got a bat from ebay many moons ago that i am 99% sure is kashmir. It was advertised as low grade EW
As others have said the grains are not clear and the wood is noticeably harder to the touch and slightly darker. It also picks up like a telegraph pole