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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: smokem on January 31, 2013, 05:45:28 AM
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David Warner
Ed Cowan
Phillip Hughes
Shane Watson
Michael Clarke (capt)
Usman Khawaja
Steven Smith
Matthew Wade (wk)
Glenn Maxwell
Moises Henriques
Mitchell Johnson
James Pattinson
Mitchell Starc
Peter Siddle
Jackson Bird
Xavier Doherty
Nathan Lyon
They picked 17 and they can't fit in the country's best performing spinner in O'Keefe?? Surely Smith is not there for just his batting and so why do we need 2 mediocre so-called spinning allrounders in the squad (Maxwell and Smith) when 1 is surely enough... Maybe they are "protecting" O'Keefe from India, much like they were protecting Hughes from South Africa...
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and so why do we need 2 mediocre so-called spinning allrounders in the squad (Maxwell and Smith) when 1 is surely enough...
Back up in case/when one or the other fails.
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Sorry must be part of the rotation policy. One mediocre spinning allrounder for another. What was I thinking.... ;)
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Good to see Usman Khawaja there but I hope this is not just to accumulate Skywards miles.
Not overly convinced with Mitchell Johnson's selection perhaps Ben Hilfernaus should have been selected ahead of him?
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What's Steve Smith got on the selectors? That's what I want to know. It's not like he's set the Shield on fire with his performances and warrants a recall. Baffling selection. The rest isn't a surprise though.
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He's just scored 72 - isn't that enough!!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/602848.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/602848.html)
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Five seamers in India with Henriques on top seems excessive. Four spinners who can't turn the ball seems pretty over the top as well come to think of it. Is this the weakest squad Australia have ever taken abroad?
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Five seamers in India with Henriques on top seems excessive. Four spinners who can't turn the ball seems pretty over the top as well come to think of it. Is this the weakest squad Australia have ever taken abroad?
With how much our seamers are breaking down, doesn't seem OTT to me.
Weakest squad? Doubt it. Only weak area is the all-rounder component.
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Looks like an India whitewash to me. Let's compare the important bit for a team travelling abroad, with England as a reference:-
Spinners
Panesar and Swann
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Lyon and Doherty (or Smith or Maxwell)
I can't stop laughing....nor can Dhoni I bet.
and then you can only play 2 seamers, one of which will breakdown. Plus Sicknote Watson doesn't want to bowl and if he touches a ball he'll get injured.
At least they have the reliable Mitch Johnson to fall back on in a two seamer attack.....
Talk about a train smash.
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No idea why O'Keefe can't get a gig. They must be just holding out with poorer players to make Jon Holland look like a star when he does make his debut. Hope Holland does well when he gets his chance!
Cutting has more shield runs than smith this year.....
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no wonder Sachin doesn't want to retire! smash the Aussies around one last time...
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Weakest squad? Doubt it. Only weak area is the all-rounder component.
The only weak area is.....are you for real?
You have one opening bat who, justifyably, averages 25 and one who is a glorified slogger, a number three with more holes in his technique than a Swiss cheese, a guy with one test behind him and an all rounder who doesn't want to bowl but thinks that two tons in 40 tests justifies him making demands that would shame a Premier League striker. As for your bowling line up, I'll give you the seamers but anyone who thinks that Nathan Lyon and Xavier Doherty are anything other than a pie chucker who wouldn't get into an English county side and a joke who is the only slow left armer who couldn't even get KP out is insane!
;)
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No idea why O'Keefe can't get a gig. They must be just holding out with poorer players to make Jon Holland look like a star when he does make his debut. Hope Holland does well when he gets his chance!
Cutting has more shield runs than smith this year.....
More spinners who can't turn the ball!
Forget South Africans looking for their British passports, the new story will be bog standard county spinners looking for their Australian ones!
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The only weak area is.....are you for real?
You have one opening bat who, justifyably, averages 25 and one who is a glorified slogger, a number three with more holes in his technique than a Swiss cheese, a guy with one test behind him and an all rounder who doesn't want to bowl but thinks that two tons in 40 tests justifies him making demands that would shame a Premier League striker. As for your bowling line up, I'll give you the seamers but anyone who thinks that Nathan Lyon and Xavier Doherty are anything other than a pie chucker who wouldn't get into an English county side and a joke who is the only slow left armer who couldn't even get KP out is insane!
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Cowan averages 32 and that's from only 13 games. I've liked what I've seen so far from him.
Glorified slogger? Very harsh on Warner there, who has transformed his game and has the potential to be the best bat in the world.
Hughes has been killing it lately.
Lyon is a decent spinner, hopefully he shows it in India.
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Cowan averages 32 and that's from only 13 games. I've liked what I've seen so far from him.
He is a good writer and a thoroughly likeable chap but his performances in Test cricket suggest that he is some way short of the standard that Australian openers are expected to reach. And thats having been able to mostly mug off poor opposition...
Glorified slogger? Very harsh on Warner there, who has transformed his game and has the potential to be the best bat in the world.
Stop it, you're killing me! He's done well, but is funadmentally unwilling to take the mental steps needed to reach world class (ie to accept that its okay to leave the ball) Even if he did, the chnces of him being the best in the world are similar to yours.
Hughes has been killing it lately.
He's made a few cheap runs against Sri Lanka. Big deal. The Aussies selectors said it all when they admitted that he was not good enough to face South Africa and sacrificed Rob Quiney instead.
Lyon is a decent spinner, hopefully he shows it in India.
Seriously, Lyon is not even county standard - he only looks vaguely decent when compared to Cullen, Casson, White, Krezja, McGain, Doherty and Beer. What has he achevied thus far in Test cricket? Nothing save a few tail end wickets...
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The bowling attack, seem to be 1 bowler short:-
Mitchell Johnson - can't keep his arm up straight let alone bowl straight
James Pattinson - injured 99% of the time and surely can't play in a 2 seam attack for that reason
Mitchell Starc
Peter Siddle
Jackson Bird - no, really. Didn't realise getting cheap Sri Lankan wickets qualified? So this is like Jimmy Ormond get 5 wickets against Zim and being a world beater?
Xavier Doherty - the only leftie (apart from Beer) not to get KP out when it matters
Nathan Lyon
Is Maxwell and Henriques (who doesn't get a bowl much in big bash) going to take a wicket in India? We saw what happened to fat Samit and he did at least have International Cricket behind him.
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I miss Vic's arguments, at least he put up some sort of case for a future for the Aussie team.
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Seriously, Lyon is not even county standard - he only looks vaguely decent when compared to Cullen, Casson, White, Krezja, McGain, Doherty and Beer. What has he achevied thus far in Test cricket? Nothing save a few tail end wickets...
now your being harsh, I'm sure the Unicorns would have him
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He is a good writer and a thoroughly likeable chap but his performances in Test cricket suggest that he is some way short of the standard that Australian openers are expected to reach. And thats having been able to mostly mug off poor opposition...
He's made decent scores against India and South Africa. How quickly we forget his century at the start of summer vs. SA.
Stop it, you're killing me! He's done well, but is funadmentally unwilling to take the mental steps needed to reach world class (ie to accept that its okay to leave the ball) Even if he did, the chnces of him being the best in the world are similar to yours.
You're joking right? You're having a go the mental side of his game? Here's a couple of games to remember:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/518948.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/518948.html)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/518952.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/518952.html)
He's made a few cheap runs against Sri Lanka. Big deal.
What else can he do? He can only make runs against whoever he is playing against.
Seriously, Lyon is not even county standard
Just stop it now, please, you troll.
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Siddle will run through walls for Australia, the rest of the seam attack bar Johnson would knock themselves out on that wall and be out for the series and Johnson would miss the wall completely and run onto the motorway and get hit by a truck.
Spinners? Well, Lyon is ok, not quite as bad as all that but he's not the best. Put it like this I doubt he would get into any other international side. Doherty? No, just no! Dreadful!
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I think Lyons decent, on par with Tredwell I guess, certainly much worse spinners than him have clocked up a few England caps.
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He's made decent scores against India and South Africa. How quickly we forget his century at the start of summer vs. SA.
Not forget - place in context. He scored a ton, but has done nothing since (and scored it on a 500-4 pitch...
What else can he do? He can only make runs against whoever he is playing against.
Thats the point - he'd been identified by HIS OWN SELECTORS as the man they wanted in the team but they decided NOT TO SELECT HIM for the South Africa series because they knew that he would get worked over. In effect he became the first specialist batsman to require a nightwatchman for an entire test series.
I'm not sure how he can play on knowing that - I mean, when he comes out to face Anderson, Finn and Co, can you imagine the sledging he'll get (thats assuming he wn't require someone else to face them for him!)
Just stop it now, please, you troll.
How clever - you have no possible defence of Lyon so resort to insults. Well Done!
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now your being harsh, I'm sure the Unicorns would have him
Really? They had a couple of decent kids last season - one of them actually got the ball off the straight... ;)
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I think Lyons decent, on par with Tredwell I guess, certainly much worse spinners than him have clocked up a few England caps.
Lyon is nowhere near Tredwell's level (and I wouldn't personally let Tredwell anywhere near the England side) - Tredwell turns the ball square, Lyon doesn't turn it at all.
But yes, England have picked one or two bad ones over the years - Richard Dawson springs to mind - though even he was better than dear Nathan. And, erm, isn't it a bit sad that we're compared the "mighty" Australia to a 90s England side...
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why no O'keefe ???
Australian spin is just abysmal even o'keefe isnt that good
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Sad thing is I think this Aussie team still has a very good chance of beating India :(
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I think Dhoni will be safe this time preparing square turners...
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Well, since Aussie batsmen don't tend to play anything that swings well, he might just elect to play those two piddly medium pacers from the one day series ;)
Seriously, India and Australia are probably about as bad as each other now - Clarke is the gun batsman in the series but the overall strength of India's top seven beats Australia's, and the stronger Aussie pace battery is off set by Indias greater selection of spinners and ability to chooise the conditions. Should be a close but poor quality series.
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This is without a doubt the worst Australian touring squad I have seen in my lifetime. One world class batsman in Clarke and a few young seamers with potential and thats it. Bits and pieces allrounders, two spinners that wouldn't get in any other test team in the world, seamers that are made of biscuits and a wicketkeeper who could be the long lost Akmal brother.
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I don't care who the Aussies field, I just hope they get absolutley battered. Im English, why would I wish anything else.
End of the day, you boys had a field of legends, they all retired, and you've never had anything to back them up. You have been found out.
Bring on the summer.
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then again India have Ashwin - the least effective spinner they could pick. His effort in Mumbai to look as bad as Stuart Broad on a square turner was bordering on heroic. Though he is India's best batsman.
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As an Aussie supporter, I am a little frustrated with the spin choices and 7th batsman. The others pretty much picked themselves. India is a tough tour at the best of times but the Indians are also not at the peak of their game, so it will be close series. I wouldn't write off the Aussies just yet.
I remember many wrote off the '89 Ashes team as the worst side ever to tour England and they won the series 4-0... So stranger things have happened!
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As an Aussie supporter, I am a little frustrated with the spin choices and 7th batsman. The others pretty much picked themselves. India is a tough tour at the best of times but the Indians are also not at the peak of their game, so it will be close series. I wouldn't write off the Aussies just yet.
I remember many wrote off the '89 Ashes team as the worst side ever to tour England and they won the series 4-0... So stranger things have happened!
read this and sober up:-
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/597905.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/597905.html)
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Australia's biggest test imo will be with the bat, can Warner, Watson, Wade etc be patient enough to score big runs. Cowan will probably be similar to Compton in that he won't do much but hold an end up. Clarke is Clarke so spin is never a problem for him but his incredible run of form has to stop soon.....
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Australia's biggest test imo will be with the bat, can Warner, Watson, Wade etc be patient enough to score big runs. Cowan will probably be similar to Compton in that he won't do much but hold an end up. Clarke is Clarke so spin is never a problem for him but his incredible run of form has to stop soon.....
Short answer - no
Long answer - Hell no :D
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Bring on the summer.
Amen brother, after a hammering in India they can come over here and get their arses handed to them again
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Much as I've derided the squad selected as weak (it is, it really is, though I did love being called a troll for pointing that out) I don't think they're going to get a hammering. India have several batsmen who don't play pace well, and Australia's seam attack, fitness notwithstanding, is a decent one, and Clarke should do well for them against what is a less than stellar Indian attack, with each of the other batsmen probably up to chipping in one score during the series. It looks like a draw to me, which is pretty embarrassing for the Aussies in itself given the way England treated this Indian side for the last three tests!
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I want to see Hartley in the keeping spot, or even Haddin for a year while you get Harts into the system, Wade just isn't going to cut it keeping wise when it really matters imo. And Harts has been the best gloveman is Oz for a good while!
Give Doolan a go early and see how he fairs, India is a tough place to play regardless of their standard but would be a great chance to let him loose.
I think the Aussies will come through this with a series win. Depending on the nick of Pujara and Kohli. India don't have the fire power in the bowling attack to get 1 up over even a transforming and unsettled Aussie top order.
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I reckon it's a pretty good squad, I don't believe the selectors had many other options, yes it would have been good to take o'keefe. Our spinners don't do much with the bowl in Australia will be interesting to see how they go on the Indian decks. I think Cowan will do better than many expect he is gutsy & will dig in. Clarke will score well, warner unknown, I think Hughes will do well, the other bats I just don't know.
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As an Aussie and am quite disappointed with this squad. Sure there are some good players, but they are offset by some very ordinary selections.
I have no idea why guys like smith are continually pushed by selectors, neither his batting or bowling are up to test standard, same goes for henriques.
When Lyon and Doherty are to front line spinners you are struggling.
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Well part of the squad started its first tour match and were "spun out" for 241. I'm really scratching my head as to why the tour has started with an incomplete squad while the WI series has not even finished. To make a team of 11, they played a 19 year old by the name of Ashton Agar... Frankly, it's all a bit embarrassing... :(
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Well part of the squad started its first tour match and were "spun out" for 241. I'm really scratching my head as to why the tour has started with an incomplete squad while the WI series has not even finished. To make a team of 11, they played a 19 year old by the name of Ashton Agar... Frankly, it's all a bit embarrassing... :(
That's actually better than England did in the first innings of the first test against India. Bowled out for 191 if I remember correctly.
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Fair enough. It's not so much the score that worries me, it's the scheduling clash and the lineup they fielded as a result.
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That's actually better than England did in the first innings of the first test against India. Bowled out for 191 if I remember correctly.
So you'd expect Australia to destroy India in the series then after such a good start in the tour games. England didnt see a spinner until the first test so count yourself lucky to run into a young tearaway off spinner.
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So you'd expect Australia to destroy India in the series then after such a good start in the tour games. England didnt see a spinner until the first test so count yourself lucky to run into a young tearaway off spinner.
I'd never write India off... They have players that are capable of large individual scores on their home tracks.