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Title: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: joeljonno on July 30, 2013, 12:15:30 PM
Hi

This bat is about 18 months old now and it is the 3rd time this has happened.  There have been a couple of small splits which were fixed, but this is large.

I can fix it, but I want to know why it happens.  It has had the GM toe guard on at all times, partially removed to fix the splits but then re-glued down.

Any advice as to why would be most appreciated.

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Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: tate035 on July 30, 2013, 12:22:58 PM
Do you tap your bat on the ground during your stance? Same thing happened 2 my sons bat and I put it down to him getting the bottom of the bat wet. It then dried out, followed by in my opinion him banging it on the ground whilst waiting for bowler 2 start his delivery.

I now boat varnish the bottom of his bats and get him 2 hit his bat into the back of his shoe and not the ground.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: joeljonno on July 30, 2013, 01:09:34 PM
It's not mine, but I don't think he bangs it excessively. Is hasn't really got wet because it has had a toe guard on it at all times. That was my first thought.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: ajmw89 on July 30, 2013, 01:18:40 PM
If it's not tapping damage, it could be from continual use of the toe and trying to hit the ball too hard.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: joeljonno on July 30, 2013, 01:26:50 PM
Maybe, but I would expect the crack to go the other way generally. I guess he may have a bit of both or something.

Anyway, I don't need to do owt else except gluing and clamping it to fix it?
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: ajmw89 on July 30, 2013, 01:30:08 PM
Glueing and clamping should do the trick.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Kulli on July 30, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
Gm toe guards don't do a very good job of keeping the toe dry as there's a gap between the antiscuff and the toe guard, and water, being fairly small, is inconsiderate enough to sneak through this gap.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Bez013 on July 30, 2013, 01:35:24 PM
I've had a couple go like this and I do tap quite hard but I don't use a toe guard on my bats and tend to see more damage at the front half of the toe before it get's to this stage.  He might find that the split will keep opening up but I just used glue and a knife to open the crack slightly and then clamped the crack shut and wound some fiberglass tape round tightly.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: coady123 on July 30, 2013, 01:38:56 PM
what type of GM bat is it ? if it is high quality like original it can be down to using a soft willow with a hard ball which will cause the bat to crack , my friend has one had it for 2 days and the same happened to his and this has occurred around 3 times this season
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Hammer Cricket on July 30, 2013, 01:45:41 PM
Being in the bat business ive found out that sometimes it doesnt matter how good the piece of willow is, its sometimes just breaks. Its sad but true. but on the bright side in most cases its fixable.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Chad on July 30, 2013, 01:52:49 PM
I hit quite low on the bat, so toe it more often than desired. As a result, a very minor version of this has happened to a couple of my bats. It never gets wider than 4cm, (much more of a controlled drive player) so I think ajmw89 is right, perhaps your friend is hitting the ball hard! :) I would glue it up and seal it with some shoe-goo. My friend has broken two bats in the last year on the inside edge toe area, I'm planning to stick a toe guard on the face of the bat to prolong the life of his bats! :-[

Slightly off topic, but does anyone find that GMs tend to delaminate quite often? Maybe it's just because the folk at my club use their GMs like crazy, but I find they are at their most responsive when that sound starts coming, and most of them do reach that level.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: coady123 on July 30, 2013, 01:55:22 PM
yeah iv found that , my old gm split across the toe as has my friends who is a sponsored player by gm goes through around 4 bats a season because of them breaking very easily
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Kulli on July 30, 2013, 01:55:49 PM
Being in the bat business ive found out that sometimes it doesnt matter how good the piece of willow is, its sometimes just breaks. Its sad but true. but on the bright side in most cases its fixable.

What do companies like yourself do with returned bats?It's something I've always wondered. Obviously there'll be plenty returned that aren't repairable, but there must also be plenty that are but get replaced anyway.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: mr_wickets on July 30, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
I've seen the toe go like this on bats when really hard cheap balls are being used in the nets. Suppose thats the main reason to have a net bat!
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: joeljonno on July 30, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
what type of GM bat is it ? if it is high quality like original it can be down to using a soft willow with a hard ball which will cause the bat to crack , my friend has one had it for 2 days and the same happened to his and this has occurred around 3 times this season

It's a Epic 808 5 star.  Could be that then. Gonna glue it tonight and see how it is for Saturday.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on July 30, 2013, 03:21:11 PM
Although the grains go through the toe, doesn't the willow fibres go in the opposite direction hence why bats feather through tapping and in extreme cases split like this.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: coady123 on July 30, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
It's a Epic 808 5 star.  Could be that then. Gonna glue it tonight and see how it is for Saturday.

yeah glue and clamp should do that's what iv done , also when getting a new bat linseed oil might stop this
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Chad on July 30, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
yeah glue and clamp should do that's what iv done , also when getting a new bat linseed oil might stop this

GMs tend to have toe guards and faceguards, so linseed oil wouldn't be any use. The only thing linseed oil would stop is moisture uptake at the toe, if you repeatedly hit the toe of your bat, it will eventually crack.

Perhaps get some twine and wrap it round the toe and glue it? I see it done on bats, and apparently it helps hold the toe together.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: LEACHY48 on July 31, 2013, 12:02:29 AM
few of my bats have done this, and its from trying to spank yorkers way too hard. basically glue and clamp, then I would stick twine around the toe, as chad said, I did this on a few bats and it helped loads
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Hammer Cricket on November 20, 2013, 03:00:40 AM

What do companies like yourself do with returned bats?It's something I've always wondered. Obviously there'll be plenty returned that aren't repairable, but there must also be plenty that are but get replaced anyway.


Hammer has a 30 day replace or fix warranty... If we can't fix then we replace... If it's between the 30 day replace and 6 month window then we fix..

Most cracks are fixable.


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Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: RaepTiem on November 20, 2013, 06:14:16 AM
what sort of ball do your club use. could be a factor if they are rubbish. if the balls aren't the problem, cover your toe with fibreglass, it's what i do. my mates tell me it makes the bat look wierd, but in the end you save the trouble, the money, and you prolong its life and performance isn't affected.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: joeljonno on November 20, 2013, 07:18:52 AM
The league balls aren't great, but that has already been factored in. He didn't use it much in that league.

Cant see how tape would help as it already had a toe guard fitted when this happened.

I think it is partially to do with the way the bat has been made and a fair bit to do with the user.
Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: Vulcan Cricket on November 20, 2013, 07:58:59 AM
Hammer has a 30 day replace or fix warranty... If we can't fix then we replace... If it's between the 30 day replace and 6 month window then we fix..

Most cracks are fixable.


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Title: Re: why does a bat keep doing this?
Post by: joeljonno on November 20, 2013, 08:20:12 AM
That all

Not the best is it. What about postage times and if I bought it in the end of season months. Could be 6 months between purchase and first use.