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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Number4 on August 07, 2013, 08:44:54 AM
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ICC to investigate players using silicone tape on bat edges to fool hotspot
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Just read it:-
BREAKING NEWS: ICC - International Cricket Council officials are heading to Durham, UK after it emerged players may have found a way to avoid edges showing up on hot spot.
It is understood silicon tape is applied to the edge of the bat and the concerns centre around Kevin Pietersen's dismissal in the second innings in Manchester.
It’s not just England under investigation; 9 News understands Australian batsmen may also being using this method.
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I wonder if this will cause a ruling against using any sort of facing/edge tapes
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Number4 beat me to making a thread
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10226690/Ashes-2013-batsmen-are-applying-silicone-tape-to-bats-to-deceive-Hot-Spot-claim-Australian-reports.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10226690/Ashes-2013-batsmen-are-applying-silicone-tape-to-bats-to-deceive-Hot-Spot-claim-Australian-reports.html)
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/australia-and-england-face-claims-of-drs-cheating-20130807-2rgll.html (http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/australia-and-england-face-claims-of-drs-cheating-20130807-2rgll.html)
If true it's out and out cheating. I mentioned in a previous post that there had been accusations of vaseline used before.
It can be counter productive though, if you think of LBW's where the batsman has edged it. KP had the faintest hotspot at the OlD Trafford Test and Trott had nothing show on the front facing camera at Trent Bridge.
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To get around the edges where they have been given out LBW, would they just no tsimply apply the tape to the outside edge of the bat, figuring that an inside edge hotspot will probably save them more often them get them out.
Unless of course the team analysts get involved and advise each player individually based on their technique which edges to cover!
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Why not just not use hotspot? Snicko seems to be much more accurate.
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I think it makes alot of sense as to why umpires are giving snicks we can't see. Easy solution to inspect bats prior to the match and ask for all scuff sheets to be removed.
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Why not just not use hotspot? Snicko seems to be much more accurate.
Fine if it's a shot played away from the body, but if it's close to the body could be noise made by bat hitting pad or glove pad etc etc
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Maybe just not use it at all and only allow the use of hawkeye?
The recent technological advancements have meant that umpiring decisions are almost not required. It's a catch 22 situation, either you accept the umpires decision and go with it, or you use technology to help but don't complain if it doesn't go your way.
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All you need to avoid hotspot (on that outside edge) - obviously to protect from cracks in the bat...
http://www.tesco.com/direct/silicone-self-fusing-repair-tape/133-8547.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=133-8547&kpid=133-8547&sc_cmp=ppc_g__&gclid=CPaR5dj-6rgCFcfJtAod1jIAgw (http://www.tesco.com/direct/silicone-self-fusing-repair-tape/133-8547.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=133-8547&kpid=133-8547&sc_cmp=ppc_g__&gclid=CPaR5dj-6rgCFcfJtAod1jIAgw)
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Maybe just not use it at all and only allow the use of hawkeye?
The recent technological advancements have meant that umpiring decisions are almost not required. It's a catch 22 situation, either you accept the umpires decision and go with it, or you use technology to help but don't complain if it doesn't go your way.
This has caused a change in umpire decisions as well.
Haddins wicket at trent bridge in the 2nd innings. Last wicket of the game big noise not given out. Why? Because Eng had 1 review left and Aus had 0.
If Eng review then the correct decision is given, if they don't they would be blamed. If Haddin was given out and he hadn't hit it the umpire has potentially cost the Aussies a 1-0 lead.
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All you need to avoid hotspot (on that outside edge) - obviously to protect from cracks in the bat...
[url]http://www.tesco.com/direct/silicone-self-fusing-repair-tape/133-8547.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=133-8547&kpid=133-8547&sc_cmp=ppc_g__&gclid=CPaR5dj-6rgCFcfJtAod1jIAgw[/url] ([url]http://www.tesco.com/direct/silicone-self-fusing-repair-tape/133-8547.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=133-8547&kpid=133-8547&sc_cmp=ppc_g__&gclid=CPaR5dj-6rgCFcfJtAod1jIAgw[/url])
Sounds like it will be a struggly for any players frantically trying to remove it right now!
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Sounds like it will be a struggly for any players frantically trying to remove it right now!
indeed there are a load of guests looking up the whole using a hair dryer technique threads right now.
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This has caused a change in umpire decisions as well.
Haddins wicket at trent bridge in the 2nd innings. Last wicket of the game big noise not given out. Why? Because Eng had 1 review left and Aus had 0.
If Eng review then the correct decision is given, if they don't they would be blamed. If Haddin was given out and he hadn't hit it the umpire has potentially cost the Aussies a 1-0 lead.
You seem to be forgetting that had Agar been given out stumped when he was then the game would have been over in 3 days :) and the Haddin incident wouldnt have happened.
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Fine if it's a shot played away from the body, but if it's close to the body could be noise made by bat hitting pad or glove pad etc etc
So why not use ALL technology and then with common sense you "should" get the right decision :)
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Someone I follow on twitter (a journalist, but can't remember which one) suggested that hotspot be used only as a positive identifier. I.e if there is a mark he has hit it, however if there is no mark, it doesn't mean he hasn't hit it, so look for deflections, noise etc.
Seems reasonable to me, less ambiguity at least.
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Another one to add to the endless list of sporting controversy then? Cricket is an old fashioned sport, if the umpire deems a batsman out then he is out. We don't get DRS systems in any lower form of the game so why worry about using it?
It would make sense to just go with what the onfield umpire thinks, and if they make a mistake well tough luck, maybe next time a batsman will get out and not be given.
Swings and roundabouts?
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So why not use ALL technology and then with common sense you "should" get the right decision :)
I don't have the powers to make that decision :D
As far as I'm aware all technology is currently being used that can provide evidence quick enough. Snicko is not used as it takes 5 minutes to get onto a tv screen.
A real time snicko has been created by the hotspot guys, and they hope to have it for the return ashes. I don't know if it requires accuracy testing or not. They are also about to receive new cameras to make hotspot even more accurate.
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I have not heard of the silicone tape being used but I was told about 18months ago that it was common knowledge amongst players that smearing vaseline on the edges of the bat would stop it showing on hotspot. I agree with a few others I would just use snicko its seems far more accurate.
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It was only a matter of time before someone would find a way round the DRS system.
Whenever something in sport changes players will try to exploit it. Take when the offside rule changed so inactive players weren't called offside which would allow the game to flow better. It didn't take long for players to be standing in offside positions waiting for the next phase in play when they would be onside.
Whatever happens players will be looking to exploit the changes.
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I don't have the powers to make that decision :D
As far as I'm aware all technology is currently being used that can provide evidence quick enough. Snicko is not used as it takes 5 minutes to get onto a tv screen.
A real time snicko has been created by the hotspot guys, and they hope to have it for the return ashes. I don't know if it requires accuracy testing or not. They are also about to receive new cameras to make hotspot even more accurate.
With snicko being used in a few months I don't think this will be too much of an issue
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Surprise surprise hotspot shows an edge
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Looks like edge tape may be banned. Inventor of hotspot admits to edge tape effecting hotspot showing on the infra red camera
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This is ridiculous, this technology is clearly flawed as it cannot operate within the standard playing conditions of cricket
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I wouldn't call using edge tape as part of the standard playing conditions. It's more the other way round... Edge tape is effecting the use of technology
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Edge tape has been used for years, I don't see how it isn't part of the playing conditions. Its included in the playing regulations
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It's not a necessity. In the scheme of things it hasn't been used very long at all. 10-15 years maybe. It's not going to have and detrimental effect on the game of cricket if its not used... Infact it will make the use of technology far more accurate and there would be less controversy. Win-win
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It means clark won't be able to use his favourite bat!
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It means clark won't be able to use his favourite bat!
I don't think edge tape is holding any part of Clarks bat together... Facing yes
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Would also remove the use of tape going around the face to cover cracks and stuff though.
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I don't think edge tape is holding any part of Clarks bat together... Facing yes
without wishing to sound rude, but hotspot is total s*** IMO, and if the technology isnt good enough to overcome something as simple as edge tape, (which is a part of the game that the developer should have worked around) then it shouldnt be used at all...Holding my bat together is more important that a crap bit of software....Rant over.
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without wishing to sound rude, but hotspot is total s*** IMO, and if the technology isnt good enough to overcome something as simple as edge tape, (which is a part of the game that the developer should have worked around) then it shouldnt be used at all...Holding my bat together is more important that a crap bit of software....Rant over.
Lets face it you aren't going to have to worry about being given out or not out by hotspot though are you
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Swings and roundabouts. If they edge one into pad but get given lbw they wont tape the bats.
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hotspot is total s*** IMO, and if the technology isnt good enough to overcome something as simple as edge tape, (which is a part of the game that the developer should have worked around) then it shouldnt be used at all...Holding my bat together is more important that a crap bit of software.
Sounds like something KP would tweet that bit :D.
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Lets face it you aren't going to have to worry about being given out or not out by hotspot though are you
you missed the point....
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So the so-called inventor of hotspot is crying foul, claiming the "protective coating" (or scuff sheet as we know it) is masking the effectiveness of hotspot. What an absolute plonker!!! Scuff sheets have been around for years. Any inventor/designer/engineer worth his salt should have tested his invention thoroughly with all the different scuff sheets available on the market. Sorry Mr Brennan but hotspot is flawed and if you are looking for something to blame, take a look in the mirror fella...
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Os it any scuff sheet/tape or is it a silicone one not generally designed for cricket?