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Title: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 06, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
Well i thought i would upload a few photos of my first attempt at making a cricket bat - to be honest i was a little dissapointed, i got a little overzealous with the draw knife and before i knew it the toe had vanished........ the rest of the bat was then shaped slowly and tediously by a small plain, therefore i struggled to create any real shape with the bat - however, this was my first attempt and with just these two tools i cant complain and considering i've never seen anyone do this or what to expect im happy that it doesnt look a hundred times worse than this - any tips would be greatly apprecciated!!!! PS - for any of those who are thinking about doing this, it's really worth while spending a bit of time sharpening the blades........i was ripping willow away left right and centre, poor old bat!
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0709.jpg?t=1252273686)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0705.jpg?t=1252273763)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0707.jpg?t=1252273852)

I would like to hear people's honest opinions, dont hold back! The photos are not particularly good, sorry but its the best i can do.
 - Apology to Mike -  sorry for destroying what should have been a nice cleft
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: ianbuchanan on September 06, 2009, 10:24:16 PM
I think it's a good job and a superb effort for a 1st attempt! apart from the toe of the bat the rest of it looks fine, nice even profile, well done mate!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: RoCo Da Pixie on September 06, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
For a first attempt it looks good, i wouldnt even know where to start, Encouraging signs for future efforts i would say
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: raymond on September 06, 2009, 11:20:42 PM
Not bad at all.

Care to divulge whats in the folder called DEATH?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Dobbs on September 06, 2009, 11:22:03 PM
Looks very nice... whats the weight of it now?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 07, 2009, 08:15:38 AM
cheers guys - im not sure of the weight, going on pick-up alone i would say 2.8/9 without binding and a grip - quite heavy when compared to other bats with  larger profiles - but i think i was kidding myself if i ever thought i was going to whip up a masterpiece first time around!

As for the death folder, it is a shortlist of forum members who have ever got on the wrong side of me...........but in reality it was a university module i had to study.

If anyone has any little tips that make life a little easier when using a drawknife and the plain please let me know, or any advice as to any bits of kit which will make the process a little more rewarding, thanks.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Hads45 on September 07, 2009, 08:22:58 AM
Not a bad attempt and as someone else said id have no idea where to start.

Only downside to the stick is it seems to sort of go in the outwards idrection at the top of the bat before the handle. Not that thats an issue.

Would be intesreted to see how it pings and stuff anyway.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Howzat on September 07, 2009, 04:03:19 PM
Thats awesome mate... Looks like you took a bit too much off the back side shoulders though.
You should have seen Gareth and Joes first attempt at making a bat (upload some pics lads!)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on September 07, 2009, 05:15:50 PM
Better then my first attempt.... Umm a good tip draw the edges on the bat to get the shape you are after....... I twittered a bat shaping on my twitter page you may need to click on more to see it as I got excited during the ashes....

It was a Harrow and links to pictures on there aswell that might help a bit... If not get Mike to give you my number more then happy to help
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on September 07, 2009, 05:18:11 PM
I'm very impressed as the cleft had knots and graping in it making it harder to shape. I'll give you the other low grade cleft and then you might want to tackle the tight one.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 07, 2009, 06:00:16 PM
Leo - i agree, but to be honest, i could still take some more wood off the shoulder area (from the middle, not the sides), i need to get hold of a spokeshave for the finishing touches - there is a lot i would like to change, maybe next time!
Norb - Just had a read of the twitter page, the pictures and advice are a a great help - great looking bat by the way! I cant believe you got one of your bats signed by warney.......i hope that is framed by now! - The thing i found hardest out of all of it was not necessarily getting the shape to how i wanted it but making sure both sides were as even as they could be. But you are right, having a shape and sticking to it is a must. Out of interest, out of all of your batmaking tools which would you say was the most helpful/useful in the entire shaping process (and your not allowed to say your brain).
Mike - Cheers for chucking me in the deep end! I thought that willow was trouble as soon as i set my eyes on it! I watched the batmaking videos on youtube and thought "how hard can it be to use a drawknife, if this Milli-chump fella can do it, so can I! - I mostly used the plainer, i left the draw-knife alone after it had ripped off huge chunks of willow, not the easiest tool to use! I'll have a go on another cleft when my arms recover
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 07, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
Norb - whats this inaugral willow of yours about then.........
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Master-Basterd on September 07, 2009, 07:01:37 PM
Shilly, i have a spokeshave for sale. i bought it from an old bloke at a carboot sale.  PM me if you want it.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on September 07, 2009, 08:33:39 PM
The thing i found hardest out of all of it was not necessarily getting the shape to how i wanted it but making sure both sides were as even as they could be.

You get use to looking at it and ummm feeling it.... see below

But you are right, having a shape and sticking to it is a must.

Get yourself 1,2 or 3 templates of bat shape edges the template will always be slightly larger then the bat you are making.  If you are really precise make it bigger on purpose.... Use the template to draw the edges on both sides of the bat.  Then you can get the eveness sorted out as well as both edges are the same... you can see or feel the difference in the spine on both sides.... If you make a mistake and the template is bigger then you've got some scope for correcting it...


Out of interest, out of all of your batmaking tools which would you say was the most helpful/useful in the entire shaping process (and your not allowed to say your brain).

Ok 2 things I could do without my Drawknife it is both a monster and precise, you can shoulder the bat, shape the handle also lay the back edge flat you can use it as a plane.... 

The other thing is my wooden block plane, great for edges, centering the spine and it can remove wood as well....

whats this inaugral willow of yours about then.........

Inaugural Willow is high performance willow that is pressed by me on some convoluted roller and press design to provide lovely tones and super high performance....  I need the correct raw material first, more details after I speak to you know who on the 23rd... One of my sponsered players uses / used one from about half way through the season he likes it  :D I got one just right before my press went off for a suspension refit   ::)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 07, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
Blimey Norbs, plenty to take on board there-  cheers for the advice on the templates, i'll have to knock up a few designs......watch this space! Like you say, at this stage it's best to err on the side of caution when taking wood off the bat - cant put back on what you've taken off.
As for the draw knife, im just going to have to man up and get used to it, there is no way i'm going to plain an entire bat! I have a half decent bench plain but it would appear the wooden block plane seems to be the weapon of choice for batmaking, time to get bargain hunting me thinks!

Inaugural willow sounds pretty special.....and familiar.......i can imagine the carnage created by the correct raw material and your precise technological approach to the pressing of the cleft........you must have a very happy sponsored player!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: GJ on September 09, 2009, 08:21:11 PM
I'm impressed, looks excellent for a first attempt.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 16, 2009, 05:55:36 PM
when binding the handle, what is the best material to use?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Changy on September 16, 2009, 07:01:44 PM
Twine with some PVA glue I think
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: westie on September 16, 2009, 07:04:41 PM
how long did it take you to make that?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on September 16, 2009, 07:05:02 PM
cheers, i've also heard that twine is often used but i wasnt sure whether there was a specific type of twine or not?

It took me a couple of hours because i used the plane more than the draw-knife!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: westie on September 16, 2009, 07:07:25 PM
that's a good effort for your first attemp :P
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on October 24, 2009, 09:43:39 AM
Thought i'd whack this on SillyShilly thread My first attempt [it was my second]

 ;D made me smile I just found one of my first bats from 2007!  Please note the classy stickers, there was a dodgy Kashmir one before this one  :-\

(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5766/img0804mw1.jpg)

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9099/img0806do5.jpg)

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1189/img0803lo1.jpg)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on October 24, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
hmmm i searched and searched but can't find my original   :(
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: jandgcricket on October 24, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Leo, I'll send you a Kashmir cleft.  Then see how you get on, its as tough as hell.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on October 24, 2009, 01:13:19 PM
That was your second attempt???? Talk about a duck to water, very impressed norb!
Talking of kashmir clefts - whats the best price that people can get hold of them for - need a few more practice clefts me thinks.....an early christmas present to myself.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Howzat on October 24, 2009, 01:34:26 PM
Leo, I'll send you a Kashmir cleft.  Then see how you get on, its as tough as hell.
No thanks Gareth have already tried it with my own cleft. Sillyshilly mine set me back £17 but I've seen people selling them for cheaper. If im honest I would just get some EW clefts, kashmir just seems impossible to make anything decent out of as its just so god damn hard!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on October 24, 2009, 02:02:13 PM
That was your second attempt???? Talk about a duck to water, very impressed norb!
Talking of kashmir clefts - whats the best price that people can get hold of them for - need a few more practice clefts me thinks.....an early christmas present to myself.

don't be to impressed the toe is thin and the handle shape was ok if you had Gorrilla hands  ;)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Apple on October 24, 2009, 02:53:41 PM
Half the players in the 3-4s have gorilla hands, and that looks really good!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: swamidude on October 24, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
Is a kashmir cleft really harder to cut than an English one?

Shiv
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: hit4six on October 24, 2009, 10:14:07 PM
This was my first real attempt:

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/maccers2007/Cricket%20Bats/DSC00329.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/maccers2007/Cricket%20Bats/DSC00351.jpg)

Was a really nice bat, made my first ever 100 at the age of 15 with this bat!! I loved it!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Apple on October 24, 2009, 10:52:06 PM
looks like a bit of a Whacker
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: hit4six on October 25, 2009, 10:58:58 AM
Hence the name, whacker bats. I was only looking for a bat with a long middle and a good feel! It was a lovely bat.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Apple on October 25, 2009, 01:16:25 PM
That was the a sort of pun  from me there .  .

back fired its fine . .
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 02, 2009, 09:08:44 PM
Just a quick picture of the last bat i made (number2) - Little happier with this one but still need to get hold of so many diffferent tools for shaping the bat.
Edges are 34mm and it weighs 2.9 and half with the big spiral grip on. Will do some better pics when i manage to fine sand it and get hold of some wax to burnish it with.......anyway, let me know what you guys think and any constructive feedback is a bonus!

(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0904.jpg?t=1259787819)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: GJ on December 02, 2009, 09:11:50 PM
looks great, love the profile!

looks like you have a hidden talent :D
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: hell4leather cricket on December 02, 2009, 09:12:47 PM
looks a good effort dom, hot on the tails of the boys in pakistan!?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: yvk3103 on December 02, 2009, 09:13:02 PM
great effort mate.....good profile.....
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: cd0070 on December 02, 2009, 09:13:12 PM
I love it.. IMO - the shoulders got be a little thicker but love the low middle profile.. hows the balance?? does it feel bottom heavy?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Tom on December 02, 2009, 09:14:04 PM
Don't particularly like the profile myself, I guess you've modelled it on the B52? I don't especially like low middles!

Technically though it looks very good, nice smooth curves and decent sized toe. Great for a 2nd effort.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: niceonechoppy on December 02, 2009, 09:24:53 PM
Thats a great effort for a 2nd attempt, i still need to start my first attempt :S
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 02, 2009, 09:39:15 PM
Cheers guys, good feedback from all.
Pakistan looks like a pipe dream at the moment........but you never know whats around the corner.

Tom, it was roughly based on the newbery style b52's - i prefer bats with a higher middle aswell, but i thought i would try some different shapes........next bat im working on will be rather different.

Balance seems pretty good, and i think the chunky grip makes the pick-up slightly better.

I agree with you cd, i would like to have had the shoulders a little thicker and perhaps not taken so much off the spine.......i'll put it down to experience
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Watsontotty on December 02, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
Cracking effort but i do agree you have taking a bit much from the shoulders, i like the low middle bats however perhaps a bit more concaving to produce more of a steep spine ? just a thought.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 02, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
I wish i could have, but all i have is a crap spokeshave and a plain so it's hard to get any real concaving - need to invest in some better tools.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Watsontotty on December 02, 2009, 10:03:44 PM
Expecting great things on the next one once the tools issue is sorted, perhaps a forum member could point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: seedy on December 02, 2009, 10:25:01 PM
Fantastic, well done! Really impressed with that!

See PM buddy!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 03, 2009, 11:07:50 AM
good stuff.... you'll soon get bored of concaving once you have the tools....  You dont have anything at all at the moment?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: eaowbear on December 03, 2009, 11:17:35 AM
Blooming impressed with that! Hats off!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 03, 2009, 11:30:05 AM
got to keep up with the fashion Norb, i heard 2010  is all about scoops.........

Like i said, crap spokeshave and a plain plus a drawknife that i'm just plain scared to use, no more no less.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 03, 2009, 11:40:49 AM
Ok when Mike visits I'll throw a couple of travishers "no4 and no5" in for you to borrow...
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 03, 2009, 11:49:22 AM
thats very good of you Norb......thankyou again.
So i could be getting them next week or in 5 months time then ;)

By the way for those trying to get hold of Mike, his internet is down at the moment as of last week - spoke to him yesterday and he's trying to get it sorted but BT are messing him about.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 14, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
bat number 3 will be posted up tonight, lets just say i got a little carried away with the concaving, but it's a big bat for 2.6 3/4 without grip or binding!

I hope this bat is more to your liking Tom, higher middle this time!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 14, 2009, 05:02:39 PM
I look forward to your next creation and from what you said I can imagine it will require a miners light to admire its full concave potential
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 14, 2009, 07:17:50 PM
Obviously the bat needs finishing - shoulders need a bit of attention, fine sanding and binding - but this is the rough product. First time i have had a go at concaving and im sorry to disagree with you Andy but i loved it! No lantern required this time but maybe on the next one.
Not a shape i would go for personally, but i thought i would have a go at a slightly higher middle and this bat as it is tips the scales at 2.6 3/4 which i was very happy with, can add another 2-3 for binding grip and stickers.

I think next time i will just try and make a monster bat, huge edges and steep spine......just got to locate a big old cleft now!!!!

(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0934-1.jpg?t=1260817775)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0938.jpg?t=1260817808)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0940.jpg?t=1260817855)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_0936.jpg?t=1260817885)

Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: hit4six on December 14, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
We have a new batmaker on the blocks :P
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Master-Basterd on December 14, 2009, 07:34:34 PM
When finished, would you fancy selling that one silly ?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 14, 2009, 07:36:05 PM
when it is finished i will put pics up, then you can make an offer - sound fair?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Master-Basterd on December 14, 2009, 07:38:56 PM
when it is finished i will put pics up, then you can make an offer - sound fair?

Yeah, thats all good. PM'd you
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 14, 2009, 09:05:40 PM
Give up now before you put us all to shame :D, good stuff glad to see some more meat in the shoulders edge this time as well to balance it up!

A strange possible tip close your eyes and split your finger across the back of the spine a bit like Spock on star trek then move them up and down the back of the back bat.  you'll feel where or which side is more bumpy or less concaved then the other
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: GJ on December 14, 2009, 09:09:38 PM
Love it!! You seem to have a talent for it.

Profile reminds me of a fusion.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Washington on December 14, 2009, 09:12:16 PM
Fair play that looks very good you been doing it long SS?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Howzat on December 14, 2009, 09:13:58 PM
Making me so jealous shilly... I just want to start carving up those clefts!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: jandgcricket on December 14, 2009, 09:37:27 PM
I'd like to try again over next winter.  Run out of time, and could be a busy 2010 for myself.  Its such a great skill to have, and one i plan on doing...
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: leeroy_acko on December 15, 2009, 08:49:44 AM
SS, that looks like a first class attempt, really impressed. Looking forward to seeing the next one!

what will you call the company once you start it??
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 08:53:35 AM
Funny you should ask - thats what i spend all day at work wondering, possible names for a bat company - it's more diffuclt than you imagine......any help would be apprecciated.

I am still a million miles away from producing bats that i would want to sell, but i think i will be selling some grade 2/3's cheaply just so i can make a little from each bat to put towards another cleft and continue this untill i am happy with shapes, weights, handles etc -  then i may think about getting some labels made up and start selling them......but this is all a million miles away and i have a massive student loan i have to pay off and a missus who wants lots of presents for christmas, oh joy!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Middler on December 15, 2009, 09:10:41 AM
If you get stickers made up to look like those packets of crisps you used to be able to get from Kwik-Save back in the day (mainly white and black with red pin stripes) you could call your company "No Frills" with your flag ship bat called "Plane"

BTW, not a reflection on your bat making skills just an idea  :)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 09:13:59 AM
and the other being cheese and onion and salt and vinegar, perhaps not
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Middler on December 15, 2009, 09:15:21 AM
oh well, nvm
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 15, 2009, 09:21:57 AM
Funny you should ask - thats what i spend all day at work wondering, possible names for a bat company - it's more diffuclt than you imagine......any help would be apprecciated.

I am still a million miles away from producing bats that i would want to sell, but i think i will be selling some grade 2/3's cheaply just so i can make a little from each bat to put towards another cleft and continue this untill i am happy with shapes, weights, handles etc -  then i may think about getting some labels made up and start selling them......but this is all a million miles away and i have a massive student loan i have to pay off and a missus who wants lots of presents for christmas, oh joy!

I thought I told you to give up  ;D
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 09:26:21 AM
If you say so then Andy, you da boss.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: leeroy_acko on December 15, 2009, 09:38:26 AM
Why not just call it SS?

You might get in to some trouble, but some stickers would be easy to find!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 15, 2009, 09:39:34 AM
If you say so then Andy, you da boss.

hahahaha :D
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 10:07:56 AM
SS might be a little tricky to get away with, plus i would want something different, i wouldnt want to share a name with an established brand already

My initials ar DLS - mix them around and you get LSD, then you name all your bats after different drugs - a rather novel idea me thinks :)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 15, 2009, 12:14:36 PM
SS I just noticed something about your last bat so I like it even more now  ;D

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6141/obb3c21.jpg)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 12:31:46 PM
 imitation is the greatest form of flattery :)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 15, 2009, 12:45:36 PM
Copy the mess on my work bench.... :D

Difficult to get a new shape nowadays John Newbery had most of them covered
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 12:50:24 PM
well thats a challenge for you to work on over christmas then - we all want to see a new shape no one has ever seen before.........up to it?  Not that im goading you into it or anything like that!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 15, 2009, 12:54:49 PM
I've got one for my T20 bat I can post it if you like
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 01:00:04 PM
Ambassador, with this T20 bat you are treating us!
 Get on with it then Andy, im not being paid to sit here and talk to people on the forum all day..........oh yes i am!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 15, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
scooped shoulders and toe all about MMOI but keeps the whole bat there... Soon to have a short blade one to

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7434/4973649108feb84131a45ae.jpg)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on December 15, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
Intriguing shape and i like the scooped shoulders, not sure if im a fan of the angular toe though, or is that the angle of the photo - how much does it weigh out of interest?

Would the shorter blade have the same scoops and shape?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: petehosk on December 15, 2009, 01:41:16 PM
I quite like that!

It looks different, and is a handsome bat!  :)
What's the theory behind the scoops, the squarer toe, etc?  ???
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: leeroy_acko on December 15, 2009, 01:53:36 PM
Its relatively similar to the old Kooka Bubble, slim most of the way down then the bigger middle. I like it!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: hit4six on December 15, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
I like the look of that bat Norb, very inivative (Spelling?)

I think that there is going to be alot of variation of the mongoose style bat, and I think that it will be interesting to see what people come up with (Norb with the scoops etc).
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on December 16, 2009, 09:46:37 AM
SS the angular toe allows me to end weight the bat as an offset therefore increase the swing speed and hitting power.  The short blade is only short by 1 or 2 inches and yep it will have the same scoops but not as long, allows me to leave more wood at the meat of the bat.

Leeroy_acko not really like the bubble well I don't think.

hit4six it is not a variation of the mongoose, it is a variation on my Fatboy T20 bat I started making in 2007 based on MOI and swing speed and the one I made for Talisman in Feb which he embarrassingly pitched here http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=1414.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=1414.0)

Even at that point in Dec 2008/Jan2009 when I dreamt it up I/we hadn't heard of Mongoose
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: will5210 on December 22, 2009, 08:09:03 PM
That second attempt of silly's looks like my ideal bat! Lowish middle and not much concaving. I fancy a go at this podshaving lark. I enjoyed woodwork at school.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: steelcouch on January 02, 2010, 04:04:37 PM
Nobair, what is the weight of that bat and also have they been plyed/reviewed yet.
Looks interesting!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SAF Bats on January 06, 2010, 10:43:14 AM
It is 2lb 10ish I think...... I'm really not going to give you an unbiased review am I :D

Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 09:49:16 AM
Bat Numero Quatro! THE MONSTER ........ (Not as big as Matts Monster Bats, but it may be considered it's evil little brother)
Went for a sachin shape but ended up putting my own twist on the base of the bat.....not sure whether i like it or whether it looks like the behind on  a massive american car........can always asjudt if need be!
This cleft had a few pressing cracks in but on the plus side it weighs nothing!!! So, so light! Thanks to Talisman Willow Supplies.
It has 40mm edges and with the grip it weighs 2.7 1/2 - feather light.....got a feeling this one will go like a bat out of hell for a season and then burn out in a blaze of glory, shattering into a thousand tiny pieces and dissapearing into the horizon :D
Still needs a a good bit of sanding done to it and i am awaiting for my polishing gear to arrive......but thought i would whack up a few pics for you guys to crtitque. As always, like to hear your feedback, good and bad. I'm really not sure if i like the shape yet, but for that weight and that size edges you wont find me complaing too much!!!!!!
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_1075.jpg?t=1268905527)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_1076.jpg?t=1268905572)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_1072.jpg?t=1268905627)
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww13/sillybeard/100_1071.jpg?t=1268905682)

Cheers!!!!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: E-Unit on March 18, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
wow.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on March 18, 2010, 10:07:43 AM
Your getting there, 2.7 plus 40mm edge signals an ebay sale I think. I will tell any loved up admirer that if you could buy this of SS then it will go like stink as it would have been good enough for a Test player except for the lightest and lowest density clefts often form tiny pressing cracks. True Pro cleft shaped by very promising newcomer....

I really like it.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Beachcricket on March 18, 2010, 10:09:13 AM
Very nice, I can't believe it's 2.7, it looks huge!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Tom on March 18, 2010, 10:11:39 AM
Bat itself looks very well shaped and impressive.

Question on the willow though, I know it's huge but is it naturally light and big? Is there something done differently to achieve these monster bats made from Talismans clefts? I ask because we're seeing a few now from Matt, Black Cat, SillySh and Talisman. If they perform better how come these clefts are not ending up on the bats supplied to pro players on here such as Kieswetter's and the £400 bat which was a twin of an England Lion. Those bats have been relatively small in profile compared to all these monsters.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Buzz on March 18, 2010, 10:12:30 AM
this is a hugely impressive piece of work... if this is 2.7 - I am looking forward to seeing what how big you can make a 2.10 bat in the same style
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Colesy on March 18, 2010, 10:17:13 AM
Can I have it? Lol that's awesome for a 254th attempt let alone 4th
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 10:23:41 AM
Cheers guys - just nice to finally make a bat which i think i'd be happy to use....but it is tempting to sell on as im sure it would go like stink.
Tom - Mike just gets some excellent willow, this was not over dried but one he reserved for pro's - pressing cracks permitted it from being used on the international stage, this shows the high standards required to make a pro's bat and the fact that many of these light clefts will struggle to get through the presing process.
I heard Mike sings to his willow before he puts them to bed and he will make them listen to classical music...perhaps this is his secret?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Tom on March 18, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
My point was Kieswetter and the £400 bat got a pretty average sized profile though. I can understand clefts like this being reserved if they are naturally light. Just interested as to why the 2 former bats (apparently for England/Lions players) were pretty average in size, is there a lot more to willow/bats than just pure size? I've never really been interested/looked at willow any further than grains and cleft weight. So it's all new.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
EDIT - Just reweighed it, the grip weighed more than i thought, the actual weight is 2.8 and a bit.....even so, still not too bad.

Tom - i cant answer your question, but the two bats which you mention had very little/no concaving  whereas my bat does, this could explain part of this anomaly. Secondly, the cleft i have has such a low density that perhaps pro's require something with a little more density/strength, this bat may break after ball one or last me two/three years? I really dont know though if i'm honest with you.....ask Mike if i was you.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: will5210 on March 18, 2010, 10:38:47 AM
Very impressive! I'd be very tempted to keep that monster
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Johnny on March 18, 2010, 11:13:23 AM
My point was Kieswetter and the £400 bat got a pretty average sized profile though. I can understand clefts like this being reserved if they are naturally light. Just interested as to why the 2 former bats (apparently for England/Lions players) were pretty average in size, is there a lot more to willow/bats than just pure size? I've never really been interested/looked at willow any further than grains and cleft weight. So it's all new.

Tom, saw an interview with Ian Bell recently (ish) and he talked about the fact that a few years ago he wanted the biggest bat he could get for his preferred weight, but now he's going down the route of picking a shape he feels works for him, as opposed to getting too carried away with how impressive the edges and spine look - maybe that's why the Pro bats we've seen pics of recently haven't necessarily been that big? That's just a speculative comment.

Have to say, I'm excited about the number of custom bat makers who seem to be emerging through this forum - seem spoiled for choice for my next bat!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 11:24:48 AM
Have to say, I'm excited about the number of custom bat makers who seem to be emerging through this forum - seem spoiled for choice for my next bat!
Lol - i hope you dont include me in that list Johnny, 4 bats doesnt make a batmaker :D. I've just enjoyed coming back from work and tinkering with it, this took me several weeks to do.......slow and steady!
EDIT: Measured the edges again, 43mm at the highest point.....thats almost Joker territory!!!!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Tom on March 18, 2010, 11:28:49 AM
With my awful maths and a lot of guessing. If you did this in Joker dimensions you'd have a bat at approx 2lb 5oz. With 45/46mm edges!

DO IT!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
A) I am a chicken and would be scared to do this.
B) I prefer my shape :)
C) I dont trust your maths
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Johnny on March 18, 2010, 11:53:27 AM
SS - I kind of include you in that list - I didn't say established batmakers I said "emerging". I'm sure if you continue working on it you'll improve in time, and with advice from the likes of Mike and Andy the learning curve might be even steeper - I'm sure Andy only really started out as a hobby and look at the plaudits he has received now
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Howzat on March 18, 2010, 01:29:29 PM
Tom - i cant answer your question, but the two bats which you mention had very little/no concaving  whereas my bat does, this could explain part of this anomaly.
My bat has massive concaving actually, as the profile is similar to the evolution
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on March 18, 2010, 05:20:02 PM
Simple answer, Leo's bat and the £400 bat were not my willow... but they were bloody nice. Been looking at tree's today and that is where these big clefts start off ;)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Colesy on March 18, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
Were you in a forest Mike, or was there reason to looking at trees? ;)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on March 18, 2010, 05:27:09 PM
I like to stroll along a beautiful river bank watching the trout which unfortunately may have been why the tree's were poor today. They don't seem to like chalk but did like the scenery....

And I hugged 2 tree's.....
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Colesy on March 18, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
Only 2? Have you got a 6th sense, hugging trees to sense the density? ;)
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: procricket on March 18, 2010, 05:29:44 PM
hate to say it my nemesis but it looks rather well made and looks a very good bat
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on March 18, 2010, 05:31:11 PM
You don't need to hug them to work out density, but it makes them feel good if you do!!!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Colesy on March 18, 2010, 05:36:17 PM
Lol is it just willow trees that get the lovin'?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: procricket on March 18, 2010, 05:37:40 PM
is it possible to tell density before you fell??????
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: harrystokoe on March 18, 2010, 05:52:46 PM
Crikey! That looks absolutely massive mate!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on March 18, 2010, 06:17:59 PM
I'm developing a love of Ash.

You can work out density factors are take a punt based on those, not sure why the big boys don't record and follow the tree's to clefts?
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: GJ on March 18, 2010, 06:38:29 PM
Looks an exceptional piece of willow and you did well to get those big edges too. Not a great lover of the profile but each to our own i guess... looks quite concaved too.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: harrystokoe on March 18, 2010, 06:57:31 PM
The toe looks really square and concaved, I haven't seen a toe like that before!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
Yup - it's very square and has been concaved  - still not sure if i like that look, i suppose it looks a little different if anything.
Do any of the batmakers on here use a horses shinbone (or something similar) to harden the edges of the bat? Just wondered whether this practice is now very outdated or still alive and kicking
Mike - were these trees you were hugging a good hugs worth or half a hugs worth???
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: Talisman on March 18, 2010, 07:45:37 PM
Some were full hugs but most only a half, not the nicest figures.....
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: procricket on March 18, 2010, 08:04:45 PM
silly as i have said before i like the shape and the look.

love the bottom looks good very good effort and a good looking bat
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 08:12:11 PM
thanks dave - but credit should probably go to the cleft.....you really dont get many like that, a better batmaker would have made a 50mm edged bat weighing 2.5lb and shipped it off to one of their pro's.
For me it just showed how much a difference the density of the willow makes to what you are able to create with regards to the overall size of the bat. My first bat i made was literally half the size and weighed the same.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: jandgcricket on March 18, 2010, 08:13:58 PM
Shilly, looks a beut.  How much bud?  I'll happily buy from you and review...Also a knock in would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: jandgcricket on March 18, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
 ???
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 18, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Sorry gareth but it's not for sale at the moment - If i like it at nets i will probably keep it, if not then it will go up for sale.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: jandgcricket on March 18, 2010, 10:58:55 PM
Okay boss, let me know how she flies!
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 24, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
Right, considering putting this up for sale - i would want cash only, would there be any interest.
By the way - it will have bradbury stickers applied and anti-scuff (the exact weight of this all together comes to 1.270 kg - which is 2.8 pounds and a smidgeon.
Will put up some pics in the coming days of the finished bat if there is any interest.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: RoCo Da Pixie on March 24, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
What sort of price would you want for it??
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: SillyShilly on March 24, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
Havnt got a clue what it's worth to be honest.
It was a pro's cleft and these dont come along very often, and whilst it was me making the bat and not someone like SAF, Redback, Hell4Leather or Vantage - i think i've done a decent enough job to warrant a fair price for it.
I would be open to offers, if i think it's a fair offer then i would take it there and then.
Title: Re: My first attempt......
Post by: petehosk on March 24, 2010, 11:44:22 PM
Good job SS - impressive profile