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Title: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: LNB on October 16, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
Finally something to be happy about.
Will South Africa lose the series 3-0 just like England did when they toured the United Arab Emirates?
I hope so.
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Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 16, 2013, 08:09:18 PM
How's the chucker bowling ?

I shouldn't think it but I just can't take Pakistan seriously after the three cheats and the ones who must have known still around.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 16, 2013, 08:37:18 PM

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Is he wearing 2 left leg pads??
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on October 16, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
How's the chucker bowling ?

I shouldn't think it but I just can't take Pakistan seriously after the three cheats and the ones who must have known still around.

I totally agree mate, I have no interest in watching any game involving Pakistain. There must have been at least another 5 players that knew what was happening or as professional players would have had an idea what there fellow team mates were doing and for what ever reason choose not to speak up.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 16, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
Having said that, Ali is a cracking batsmen and Aamir was a fantastic talent.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on October 16, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
Having said that, Ali is a cracking batsmen and Aamir was a fantastic talent.

Who threw it all away for a few quick ££££'s. doesn't deserve to see set foot on a cricket ground again at any level in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Chad on October 16, 2013, 08:54:05 PM
Having said that, Ali is a cracking batsmen and Aamir was a fantastic talent.

Aamir was a big loss for international cricket. Watched him bowl to Shane Watson in a game, he was absolutely clueless! Surprises me that he's actually only a day older than myself, I often have to remind myself that when I hear about the story and think 'what an idiot'. I would have probably had a conflict in me if I was offered money like that and your captain and the bowler you always look up to are also in on it.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on October 16, 2013, 09:01:01 PM
Aamir was a big loss for international cricket. Watched him bowl to Shane Watson in a game, he was absolutely clueless! Surprises me that he's actually only a day older than myself, I often have to remind myself that when I hear about the story and think 'what an idiot'. I would have probably had a conflict in me if I was offered money like that and your captain and the bowler you always look up to are also in on it.

That's the thing that people miss. The end of the day he was a kid, plucked from an obscure village, thrown into stardom and then pressured by a your captain to do something stupid. Yes what he did is wrong but for people to get on their high horse and say he should be banned from everything I think is harsh. I would pretty much say that most people would do the same thing. If he said no, he career would have been over anyway due to the stupid politics in Pakistan cricket.

Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 16, 2013, 09:09:47 PM
That's the thing that people miss. The end of the day he was a kid, plucked from an obscure village, thrown into stardom and then pressured by a your captain to do something stupid. Yes what he did is wrong but for people to get on their high horse and say he should be banned from everything I think is harsh. I would pretty much say that most people would do the same thing. If he said no, he career would have been over anyway due to the stupid politics in Pakistan cricket.

Still should never play cricket again though, regardless of why he did it.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Torque on October 16, 2013, 10:29:28 PM
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What pads are these?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Vitas Cricket on October 16, 2013, 10:40:03 PM
Had a Net with Amir after he got out.

Got the sense he was very much an innocent kid who got forced/led on/etc into doing what he did. Obviously needs to be punished like everyone who breaks the rules, but I do feel sorry for him.

Asif on the other hand, I've met many times and is a total slimeball. Not a good Muslim either, smoking and drinking beer while he shouts from the boundary rope at his friends.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 17, 2013, 09:30:45 AM
Think most of the team is still at it, not to forget they lost to zim in a test last month
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Byo on October 17, 2013, 09:54:37 AM
Got the sense he was very much an innocent kid who got forced/led on/etc into doing what he did. Obviously needs to be punished like everyone who breaks the rules, but I do feel sorry for him.

A very good friend of mine covered the whole trial for one of the national papers, and the one thing that he mentioned many times was that Amir was not as innocent as he led people to believe - he knew exactly what he was doing without being forced.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: TangoWhiskey on October 17, 2013, 10:17:43 AM
Had a Net with Amir after he got out.

Got the sense he was very much an innocent kid who got forced/led on/etc into doing what he did. Obviously needs to be punished like everyone who breaks the rules, but I do feel sorry for him.

Asif on the other hand, I've met many times and is a total slimeball. Not a good Muslim either, smoking and drinking beer while he shouts from the boundary rope at his friends.

That's the exact impression I have of both of them. Can't say I have met them but from what they've had to say about themselves that's the conclusion I drew. Real shame for Amir, he was a really class bowler and from memory he could bat a bit too!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ajmw89 on October 17, 2013, 10:45:18 AM
Pakistan need 40 to win
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: The_Bird on October 17, 2013, 11:37:44 AM
Squeaky bum time?


 :(
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 17, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
I love cricket.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 17, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
Great win for Pakistan this, especially so given their last test match saw them lose to the mighty Zimb! Saffers looked totally ill prepared after some 6 months of no test cricket
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 18, 2013, 11:05:15 PM
There's no excuse for poor planning for the Proteas.

They knew they'd be touring the UAE some 6 months ago.

Playing no competitive cricket for 3/4 months was a huge mistake

Couple with Smith, Kallis and Steyn returning to white clothes cricket after soo long. 
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 07:56:37 AM
Pakistan struggling at 60/4
Personally I am surprised they decided to bat first after winning the toss, given the way the first test panned out. If they are bowled out for under 250, they'll be fighting to stay in the match for the remainder of it.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: 400notout on October 23, 2013, 07:58:28 AM
With the spin options Pakistan have, it would be ridiculous for them to not bat first and bowl last on a wearing day 5 pitch...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 08:01:16 AM
With the spin options Pakistan have, it would be ridiculous for them to not bat first and bowl last on a wearing day 5 pitch...

I dont agree with that view, given what happened in the 1st test, where the conditions/pitch were favourable for bowling, the same seems true this time around. Cant see how they can justify batting first if they are now 60/5..!  :o
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 08:01:49 AM
Make that 60/6...  :D
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: 400notout on October 23, 2013, 08:16:15 AM
In the UAE, where conditions favour spin, when you boast (arguably) two of the best spinners around at the moment I don't see why you would lessen the opportunity for them to bowl in favourable conditions.
It's a good aggressive move for Pak to bat first despite apparent conditions. If they are under par but in the end set SA anything more that 100 in the 4th innings on day 4/5 they will back themselves. I think they have made the right decisions. Just not backed it up with the bat!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 08:20:20 AM
In the UAE, where conditions favour spin, when you boast (arguably) two of the best spinners around at the moment I don't see why you would lessen the opportunity for them to bowl in favourable conditions.
It's a good aggressive move for Pak to bat first despite apparent conditions. If they are under par but in the end set SA anything more that 100 in the 4th innings on day 4/5 they will back themselves. I think they have made the right decisions. Just not backed it up with the bat!

Yeh fair point, I just think with their brittle batting lineup, they have shot themselves in the foot now. As their bowlers are good but not miracle workers. My view would be bowl first, assuming conditions are favourable (which they must be?), restrict oppo to under 300 and then bat on days 2 & 3 when batting conditions arguably at their best.

If you look at the stats of this ground, only once have a team scored 300+ in the first innings, and that was SA.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 23, 2013, 08:40:31 AM
Couple of straight balls being missed there  ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Tumo on October 23, 2013, 09:35:02 AM
Pleased for Tahir - yes, he had a shocker last time out but that happens to an awful lot of people, remember a certain SK Warne going for loads early on for him? Not managed to see any but will watch the highlights. Going by cricinfo he has bowled very well, in conditions offering just a little for him. Just goes to show that there is hope for those that have a poor outing - will we see Krezja play for Australia again, going by this? At least Kerrigan has something to aim for now, although on the subject of him I think England have done poorly by leaving him out and picking Monty, who has had an average season by anyone's standards...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: dirkbat on October 23, 2013, 09:50:17 AM
Smith wearing new 2014 adidas spikes !!!!!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: 400notout on October 23, 2013, 10:10:59 AM
Paks batting can go from sublime to horrendous in the space of a few hours.
Expect SA to rack up a lead with 2/3 down max today.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 23, 2013, 11:03:52 AM
Alviro Petersen living on borrowed time one may think.

Since the tour of England, he's not been able to buy a run.

Dean Elgar, deputising for Hash in this Test, is a specialist opener/3 so a good performance here will see him take Alviro place ahead for the home series' with India and Australia.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 11:24:22 AM
Dont understand a skippers logic

2 overs
2 madiens
1 wicket

And after tea, the bowler is taken off..

Can someone please try and explain that?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on October 23, 2013, 11:32:38 AM
Dont understand a skippers logic

2 overs
2 madiens
1 wicket

And after tea, the bowler is taken off..

Can someone please try and explain that?

It is Pakistan.....there is no such thing as logic.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
It is Pakistan.....there is no such thing as logic.

 :D
So very true... Shocking from the Skip
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 23, 2013, 11:38:36 AM
It is Pakistan.....there is no such thing as logic.
Pretty easy logic.

Smith and Elgar left handed batsmen will find it easier to play with the spin rather than against Ajmal's off breaks.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 23, 2013, 11:53:40 AM
Pretty easy logic.

Smith and Elgar left handed batsmen will find it easier to play with the spin rather than against Ajmal's off breaks.

I expected someone to point that out, but i dont agree that is always the case. Plus Ajmal can bowl one end, whilst he can operate at the other end. As the seamers seem to be leakign runs..
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 23, 2013, 10:13:06 PM
The class and hostility of Dale Steyn was the key for day 1.

Even though Steyn has a slight hamstring injury. He was bowling 145kph and swinging/reversing swinging the ball menacingly.

Whereas Junaid and Irfan barely moved the ball of the straight.

Steyn is a freak of nature.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Blank Bats on October 24, 2013, 06:32:12 AM
Steyn is the man

Just love watching him bowl.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 24, 2013, 10:41:09 AM
Reckon skipper needs to try a part timer here, Younis Khan perhaps.. Pakistan strugglign to pick up a wicket
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 24, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
1-0 down in the series.

Missing the World's best batsman.

Step forward South Africa's ironman captain.

Whenever the Proteas need to be revived it's always Biff.

Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: sfa82 on October 24, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
Some serious batting by Smith and AB. A longer test match series would have been interesting. I think South Africa should bat out the day and make a push for an hour or so tomorrow. That should leave enough time to get ten wickets.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 24, 2013, 12:29:18 PM
Biff completes the double milestone.

5th Test double hundred and 9000 Test runs.

Captain leading from the front!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Smith absolutely nailing them..

And Pakistan skipper running his 4 bowlers into the ground.. no sign of anything outside of the box from Misbah.. Too predictable
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 24, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
Some serious batting by Smith and AB. A longer test match series would have been interesting. I think South Africa should bat out the day and make a push for an hour or so tomorrow. That should leave enough time to get ten wickets.

Plenty of time left in this test match (3 days left), can afford to bat tomorrow past lunch as well. Let the pitch deteriorate more and keep Pakistan in the heat longer
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: sfa82 on October 24, 2013, 02:14:34 PM
Plenty of time left in this test match (3 days left), can afford to bat tomorrow past lunch as well. Let the pitch deteriorate more and keep Pakistan in the heat longer

Agreed, I overlooked that it was only day two. They should bat on tomorrow and both these batsmen should be eyeing up huge scores. They really made use of the best day for batting. It will take a massive effort for Pakistan to salvage anything from this game.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 24, 2013, 08:03:41 PM
We don't need Biff and AB to get huge scores.

If Biff gets 300 it's a bonus.

I'd hope we push on in the first session and try and get 150-180 runs.

Then rout the Pakistanis by an innings and 300-400 runs. We need to crush Pakistan totally.

Interestingly had ABDV not been stumped in bizarre circumstances in the first Test, given AB's form, we'd have won their as well.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
And if your aunt had a winky she'd be your uncle...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 24, 2013, 08:28:49 PM
And if your aunt had a winky she'd be your uncle...
Whatever rocks your boat...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: LNB on October 24, 2013, 08:40:31 PM
South Africa could bat out the whole day tomorrow Smith and AB both score 300 each and lead by close to 600 and still have 2 days left to bowl out Pakistan.
Amazing contrast to the 1st test.
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Great display of batting by Smith and AB.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2013, 09:15:38 PM
How many yrs has Smith been Test captain now? It's more than ten and his record is phenomenal and as an opener too. Does anyone know anyone comparable?

It's worth thinking about when assessing greats of an era.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
Whatever rocks your boat...

It didn't happen though, did it?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 24, 2013, 11:42:17 PM
It didn't happen though, did it?
The question I posed was "if" ABDV hasn't had his brain fade.

Not that is wasn't correct result in the match...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 24, 2013, 11:46:32 PM
How many yrs has Smith been Test captain now? It's more than ten and his record is phenomenal and as an opener too. Does anyone know anyone comparable?

It's worth thinking about when assessing greats of an era.
Biff has scored 90% of his runs are Proteas skipper. The highest % of any skipper in Test history. Most Test hundreds as skipper(25)

Not bad for a guy the rest of the World considers limited in ability.

Hes also been Test captain for 10 years now. 104 Tests.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 25, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
Pakistan 2/2 after 1.5 overs.. Oh Dear! Both openers gone. One wonders, are Pakistan batting on a different pitch to the SA team?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: sfa82 on October 25, 2013, 08:50:54 AM
Pakistan are really up against it now. One can expect to have one partnership offering resistance, but the Proteas should have this in the bag.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 25, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
Results a given now, probably be over today and Pakistan probably be out of less than 99.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: sgcricket on October 25, 2013, 09:13:12 AM
Nos 3 to 5 in the line up are expected to stand up and play long innings. And Shafiq at 6 can also pitch in. I think they can stretch it to tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 25, 2013, 09:18:29 AM
Nos 3 to 5 in the line up are expected to stand up and play long innings. And Shafiq at 6 can also pitch in. I think they can stretch it to tomorrow.

I dont think they will. Pakistan have a hostory of crumbling, and I think it will be all over today.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 25, 2013, 12:00:34 PM
Hmm was that ball tampering by South Africa. SA commentator did suggest he was using his trouser zip to do so. Didn't take long for the SA 12th man to come on
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 25, 2013, 12:03:01 PM
Ball change by the umpires confirms it that FAF was ball tampering. 5 penalty runs too.
 Also looks like philander had his nails in the ball
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 25, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
4.01pm The umpires are calling Graeme Smith, the South African captain, for a little chat about something, but its not quite clear what the issue is. The fourth umpire is out there with a new set of balls. And yes, it looks like the ball has been changed and a five-run penalty has been awarded to Pakisan


oh my word, the 5 run penalty confirms it was ball tampering, disgraceful!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on October 25, 2013, 12:23:05 PM
5 runs only when the ball is being tampered?

Is that all?

This is blatant cheating - and for once Pakistan were not involved in it.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: arsenal123 on October 25, 2013, 01:15:09 PM
Iain O'Brien ‏@iainobrien 35m
Every team ball tampers,  some teams are just better at it...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: The_Bird on October 25, 2013, 03:03:31 PM
http://youtu.be/euA2ZAZxCts (http://youtu.be/euA2ZAZxCts)


Who's puts zips on cricket trousers? SA are banged to rights really.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Buzz on October 25, 2013, 03:06:40 PM
Bans for Philander and Du Plessis coming up then... that is a blatant as any cheating as I have ever seen
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 25, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
What disgraceful scenes.. The Saffers should be ashamed really. Given their position in this match, was this really necessary? Hope the ICC are watching and those guilty are punished accordingly!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: The_Bird on October 25, 2013, 03:09:01 PM
Ban for Philander coming up then... that is a blatant as any cheating as I have ever seen


AB is denying it...

http://www.thealternativecricketalmanack.com/2013/10/south-africa-penalized-ball-tampering-pakistan-dubai/ (http://www.thealternativecricketalmanack.com/2013/10/south-africa-penalized-ball-tampering-pakistan-dubai/)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 25, 2013, 03:18:48 PM
AB is denying it...

[url]http://www.thealternativecricketalmanack.com/2013/10/south-africa-penalized-ball-tampering-pakistan-dubai/[/url] ([url]http://www.thealternativecricketalmanack.com/2013/10/south-africa-penalized-ball-tampering-pakistan-dubai/[/url])


Didn't see many denying it when it happened. Most of the SA players accepted it. Planned team tampering in my view
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: The_Bird on October 25, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
Didn't see many denying it when it happened. Most of the SA players accepted it. Planned team tampering in my view


I'm going on the AB Quote in the article. The evidence is pretty damning
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: jwebber86 on October 25, 2013, 04:11:12 PM
cant believe they were so obvious about it. they must know that there are so many cameras watching their every move on the field.

how is a five run penalty enough when they are blatantly cheating
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: dirkbat on October 25, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
Wonder how long they have been cheating for !!! Is this just a once off ?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 25, 2013, 04:35:52 PM
Wonder how long they have been cheating for !!! Is this just a once off ?

Makes you question if they were doing it in the first innings... Shocking stuff
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 25, 2013, 05:18:47 PM
Ball tampering needs stamping out, loads of teams do it (some sneaky, some as we sees re less so). 5 runs isn't enough, just forfeit the game and force the offending nation to return all ticket money back for the whole match. Money is the only hing people listen too and it has to be shed loads, otherwise it won't bother them
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Cover_Drive on October 25, 2013, 06:25:57 PM
AB is denying it...

[url]http://www.thealternativecricketalmanack.com/2013/10/south-africa-penalized-ball-tampering-pakistan-dubai/[/url] ([url]http://www.thealternativecricketalmanack.com/2013/10/south-africa-penalized-ball-tampering-pakistan-dubai/[/url])


As stated in that article why cheat when you are in a winning position? More so, that too against such a brittle batting line-up?

Certainly seems like a team event, if they were innocent they could have forfeited the game, simple as that.

If my memory serves me right, their bowling coach in past has stressed on legalization of ball tampering so who knows this might be going on for sometime!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: FvanN on October 25, 2013, 06:48:25 PM
Yip 100% guilty  :(

Though day to be an SA cricket fan.

Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 25, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
I think that with there being very little in a pitch for bowlers in International cricket, plus bigbats and short boundaries that fielding teams should be able to adulterate the ball, but not with zips and bottle tops.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 26, 2013, 07:10:08 AM
So FAF gets the minimum punishment and philander escapes.
Certain teams seem to follow a different set of rules by the match ref's
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Buzz on October 26, 2013, 08:46:51 AM
I agree, it was very much deliberate.
he should have had a 100% match fee fine and a 1 match ban.

boon the match referee is a disgrace.

if it had been on of the pak batsmen it would have been a totally different punishment.

shocking.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Blank Bats on October 26, 2013, 09:09:11 AM
Double standards really.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 26, 2013, 09:11:59 AM
How has Faf got away without a ban?!?!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Number4 on October 26, 2013, 09:18:09 AM
I agree, it was very much deliberate.
he should have had a 100% match fee fine and a 1 match ban.

boon the match referee is a disgrace.

if it had been on of the pak batsmen it would have been a totally different punishment.

shocking.

Big call Buzz considering England have been caught ball tampering and been let off Scott free ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on October 26, 2013, 09:28:44 AM
What a joke!

How can the umpire say it was not a deliberate attempt?

I agree with Buzz, if it was a Pakistani we would still be hearing about this. However South Africa ball tampering will just be brushed away!

Absolute joke
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Buzz on October 26, 2013, 10:10:23 AM
Big call Buzz considering England have been caught ball tampering and been let off Scott free ;)

urm when?
other than Athers dirt in the pocket affair? Ravi was accused, but there was no evidence/proof.
this is so blatant.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Number4 on October 26, 2013, 10:18:51 AM
urm when?
other than Athers dirt in the pocket affair? Ravi was accused, but there was no evidence/proof.
this is so blatant.

Anderson, Broad, spikes ring any bells :D
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: FattusCattus on October 26, 2013, 10:23:48 AM
Don't rise to the baseless pommel-baiting Buzz. I think there's something called the Ashes coming up!

Whatever next - moaning about our 'pie-chucker' attack? :)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Number4 on October 26, 2013, 10:25:36 AM
 
Don't rise to the baseless pommel-baiting Buzz. I think there's something called the Ashes coming up!

Whatever next - moaning about our 'pie-chucker' attack? :)
just saying I will be keeping an eye on those ball tampering Englishmen... Notice the South Africans in the team don't stoop to those levels :o :D
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 26, 2013, 10:47:51 AM
When did the Aussies become so puritanical? :o
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Number4 on October 26, 2013, 10:57:09 AM
 
When did the Aussies become so puritanical? :o
:o How dare you ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: FvanN on October 26, 2013, 11:24:00 AM
I think my boys should have been dealt with a little more harshly. But as already pointed out others have bent the rules in one way or another in the past and not to much has come of it.

Maybe I new 3 tear punishment system should be introduced.  Standing on a ball or rubbing it on a zip could constitute a two match ban and maybe not walking when you edge the ball to 1st slip a single match ban. ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Number4 on October 26, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
I think my boys should have been dealt with a little more harshly. But as already pointed out others have bent the rules in one way or another in the past and not to much has come of it.

Maybe I new 3 tear punishment system should be introduced.  Standing on a ball or rubbing it on a zip could constitute a two match ban and maybe not walking when you edge the ball to 1st slip a single match ban. ;)

That means Broad would never play for England again ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
That means Broad would never play for England again ;)

It's all getting a little bit similar to football. Where anything goes as long as 'you' win.  Rather than winning by actually playing better than the opposition.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: jw17 on October 26, 2013, 01:18:05 PM
Michael Clarke refuses to walk *DOES A 'BROAD'*, edges to slip vs Kumble 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhtdQHrAPaE#) Neither would your only batsmen then!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Alvaro on October 26, 2013, 01:26:42 PM
Broad didn't edge to slip! :D
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: The_Bird on October 26, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
Do we need to bring Hansie Cronje into the discussion about cheating?

Every team does it, England used jelly babies, Chucking the ball into the wicket ends to aide reverse swing. It's part of the game but rubbing the ball on your zip pocket is a bit too blatant and silly.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 26, 2013, 06:19:43 PM
Do we need to bring Hansie Cronje into the discussion about cheating?

Every team does it, England used jelly babies, Chucking the ball into the wicket ends to aide reverse swing. It's part of the game but rubbing the ball on your zip pocket is a bit too blatant and silly.

How are jelly babies cheating exactly??
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: The_Bird on October 26, 2013, 07:30:17 PM
How are jelly babies cheating exactly??

They used them to shine the ball using the saliva, similar to how some use cough sweets. That's ball tampering to some extent. Leaving them on the wicket was just funny.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 26, 2013, 07:39:14 PM
How are jelly babies cheating exactly??


It's cheating as it's not natural to have that much sugar in saliva (excluding diabetics), so meaning you are actively doing something un natural to the ball, means it's cheating.

Good old fashioned sweat and shining.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 26, 2013, 08:24:14 PM

It's cheating as it's not natural to have that much sugar in saliva (excluding diabetics), so meaning you are actively doing something un natural to the ball, means it's cheating.

Good old fashioned sweat and shining.
So on your logic you shouldn't be allowed to shine the ball for minutes after a drinks break or tea as there will be more sugar in your saliva than normal?? And diabetic should be banned from playing cricket??
Don't see how it's cheating really but each to their own opinion i suppose
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on October 26, 2013, 08:28:29 PM
So on your logic you shouldn't be allowed to shine the ball for minutes after a drinks break or tea as there will be more sugar in your saliva than normal?? And diabetic should be banned from playing cricket??
Don't see how it's cheating really but each to their own opinion i suppose

Not sure I said anything like that about diabetics but hey ho.

Taking sweets onto the field which have the sole purpose of shining the ball is cheating. Shining the ball at a drinks break shouldn't happen as the umpire should have it. The effects after tea wouldn't last long enough to really make any difference.

And yes, each to their own. Some people are happy to do some things, some are not.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Chad on October 26, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
Everyone seems to think I tamper with cricket balls I use in the nets, but it is surprising how much shine you can get on the ball with conventional methods, it just takes a little time. (Spit and sweat) I don't think I've ever purposefully roughed up a ball before, unless I'm trying to scrape off parts that are flaking off old net balls.

I think that 5 penalty runs is a little too lenient a punishment, I think that heavier fines and perhaps even match bans are needed. The international players will always find new, more discreet ways of ball tampering though...
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Cover_Drive on October 27, 2013, 06:59:41 AM
One thing I just simply don't get is that like laminate bats which are banned, why aren't zip banned on trousers? ICC should be vigilant enough and intellectual enough to know what a fielding side could do with them.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 29, 2013, 04:27:48 PM
the Pak v SA ODI series due to start tomorrow, any predictions?

I reckon Pak could sneak a win, though it will be a close run series I feel
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on October 29, 2013, 04:48:16 PM
the Pak v SA ODI series due to start tomorrow, any predictions?

I reckon Pak could sneak a win, though it will be a close run series I feel

Do you know what time it is starting (uk time)?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: wasted_talent on October 29, 2013, 04:56:39 PM
unfortunately not mate
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: LNB on October 29, 2013, 09:01:06 PM
I think Pakistan will win this series, I would have liked to see Haris Sohail in the team and also Sharjeel Khan who has shown a bit of form, smashed 194 of 124 ball in the President's cup a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 29, 2013, 11:09:59 PM
Pakistan have never won an ODI series(home or away) against South Africa.

Out of the 62 ODIs contested by SA/Pak, Pak have won only 20.

But SA are weakened at present. Amla isn't available so Biff will be partnered by Ingram or de Kock.

No Kallis again, balance of the side is a bit off in his absence. Parnell batting at 7 is too high.

Steyn is rested, so we will be fielding both Parnell and Tsotsobe. Neither fill me with much confidence...

Ideally I'd like to have seen Marchant de Lange play, as he's extremely fast and more importantly - he's a high class death bowler.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on October 30, 2013, 12:17:14 PM
SA 54-4 after 15.

The cheat just got out
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 30, 2013, 12:32:15 PM
Make that 63-5 big wicket of abd.
Too many Lefty's in the SA line up and duminy is no number 3 batsman
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 30, 2013, 07:27:40 PM
So the Proteas got rolled for a below par 182

Yet a quality bowling effort from Morne, Tahir, Parnell and Lopsy sees us defend 182.

Rather a massive choke from Pakistan to fall short by 1 run.

Good to see Parnell make a decent return to international cricket as well. I, for one, thought he was a flash in the pan
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: LNB on October 30, 2013, 07:39:02 PM
What an amazing batting performance by Pakistan! From 165-4 needing 19 runs to win, you lose 6 wickets for 17 runs....
Only Pakistan could mange a result like this!
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: sfa82 on October 30, 2013, 08:05:50 PM
Pakistan dominates the majority of the game and South Africa manage to win it in half an hour. Really shows anything can happen in cricket. I hope SA can put on a better batting performance going forward in this series.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 30, 2013, 08:10:15 PM
What an amazing batting performance by Pakistan! From 165-4 needing 19 runs to win, you lose 6 wickets for 17 runs....
Only Pakistan could mange a result like this!
You wouldn't put money on it! They might though  ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on October 30, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
South Africa had gotta consider playing Quinton de Kock as wicketkeeper/opening batsman for the remaining matches.

In these conditions, ABDV's dodgy back will be under too much pressure keeping to Tahir.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on October 30, 2013, 10:44:22 PM
Back to playing in Sharjah with a bang  ;).
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: TangoWhiskey on October 31, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
What an amazing batting performance by Pakistan! From 165-4 needing 19 runs to win, you lose 6 wickets for 17 runs....
Only Pakistan could mange a result like this!

At least bowling no balls had a modicum of subtlety!


It's cheating as it's not natural to have that much sugar in saliva (excluding diabetics), so meaning you are actively doing something un natural to the ball, means it's cheating.

Good old fashioned sweat and shining.

How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w7vlLfhmpc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w7vlLfhmpc)

Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: jimmy23cricket on October 31, 2013, 12:57:26 PM
I can't believe the fuss that's been made about this ball tampering incident. I think this is a classic case of the bigger picture being ignored so that some petty finger pointing and media hype can occur leadin to which boards and individuals can feel more holier than thou and therefore mask failings in other areas.

The fact that ALL cricketers change the nature of the ball in all games seems to have been glossed over. Quite incredibly balls don't get shiny all by themselves! As we all know, large amounts of effort and team work are required to get a decent shine on but what, this is deemed "fair". If this isn't changing the nature of the ball then I don't know what is!

Also, everyone knows the rules are skewed hugely in favour of batsman. It's ridiculous what's happening in India at the moment. teams cruising while chasing 350 plus scores regularly, it's just boring.

What about the BCCI's bullying of CSA and the cowing of the ICC. It's bloody disgraceful that test cricket, fans and players are held at ransom by the petty vagaries of rich bureaucrats who go around acting like children. This topic should have been on the forefront of all cricket discussions.

So in all, it's time for a rule change. Ball "tampering" should be relegated to what it is, a minor advantage trying to be achieved by a combatant put at a massive disadvantage to begin with. Limitations could be applied (so only "natural" means to be used, like with shining) and move on.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: mo_town on November 01, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
So the Proteas got rolled for a below par 182

Yet a quality bowling effort from Morne, Tahir, Parnell and Lopsy sees us defend 182.

Rather a massive choke from Pakistan to fall short by 1 run.

Good to see Parnell make a decent return to international cricket as well. I, for one, thought he was a flash in the pan

Its probably another flash in the pan performance by him. Cant see him holding onto his place when Steyn is back.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on November 06, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
Anybody know which GN bat Duminy is using?
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on November 06, 2013, 02:56:36 PM
Anybody know which GN bat Duminy is using?

Did look massive.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on November 06, 2013, 03:04:54 PM
Did look massive.

It sure did.

I could not make out the model name, he seemed to have covered it.

Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 06, 2013, 03:13:05 PM
Did look massive.
Was it a Sports Direct Oblivion Monster??  ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on November 06, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
Was it a Sports Direct Oblivion Monster??  ;)

Wouldn't surprise me, would be better than a 404 though ;)
Btw is this game to high scoring for you   ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 06, 2013, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't surprise me, would be better than a 404 though ;)
Btw is this game to high scoring for you   ;)
I wasn't aware GN made a 404 actually. I'd expect an international player would tend to want a higher quality bit of wood than one of my net bats...

And I have no idea, not able to watch it as I have a day job mate  ;)
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on November 06, 2013, 03:28:03 PM
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/170500/170529.jpg)

(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/170500/170533.jpg)

Only pictures I could find online
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 06, 2013, 03:29:53 PM
([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/170500/170529.jpg[/url])

Only pic i could find online

Is it a Kaboom?? Total stab in the dark based on stickers
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Krs on November 06, 2013, 03:32:42 PM
Is it a Kaboom?? Total stab in the dark based on stickers

I realised that was a rubbish photo so found one more and edited my previous post.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: jw17 on November 06, 2013, 09:58:45 PM
Maverick
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: Gerry SA on November 12, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
South Africa took the ODI series 4-1.

Gulf in class was evident.

Game 4, Quinton de Kock scored his first international hundred. Then Dale Steyn blew Pakistan away with a career best 5-25.

Game 5, ABDV ended his form slump with a brilliant hundred. The bowlers then took Pakistan apart(without the rested Steyn and Morkel).

Proteas maintain there record of never losing an ODI series to Pakistan.

Overall, apart from a lacklustre first Test, we dominated all the other matches.
Title: Re: Pakistan vs South Africa
Post by: csnew on November 27, 2013, 05:16:21 PM
Epic choke from South Africa.
Amla playing for a 100 cost them