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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: ProCricketer1982 on November 06, 2013, 07:24:50 PM
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So there is trouble over the number of teams relegated and talk of getting rid of the pretty pointless 2nd Xiang leagues and talk of just keeping the prem 1/2 and the rest go back to their counties.... Does anyone actually have any genuine idea what the hell WEPL are doing ??
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When I used to go to the odd WEPL meetings it appeared the guys in charge don't have a clue about cricket, seem to put convinience for umpires ahead of the standard of cricket!
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Would be a shame to get rid of the 2nd 11 league as its stronger than shrubbery somerset for example which is the strongest non wepl league fir somerset teams . However, dad was saying how strong the old 2nd 11 league used to be before wepl so I will reserve judgment for a few seasons. As long as I find my level I don't care what it looks like!
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the 1st and 2nd XI WEPL fixtures have already been sent out so cant see them doing a U turn now and scrapping it as would mean a right farce in pushing teams back down into the B&D etc.
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Definately not going to be scrapped for 2014 season - there is talk about merging the 1st & 2nd XI leagues in the future, but not sure when/if that will go ahead.
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I really like the system as it is now! Our 2nd XI have found their level, and win as many games as they lose. I love the 1st team set up too, we have probably the most travelling out of any team in the league but we all enjoy it (by getting smashed on the bus journey home!)
I say keep it how it is.
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I believe it's at the end of 2024 season the proposal was, not for this season.
Surely though it would be better for the county leagues to have these teams in? Raise the standard (if you believe the 2nd xi leagues are strong!) of the leagues, meaning the new promoted teams will be better in theory etc.
I still can't see a reason for the 2nd xi leagues tbh , the only advantage is for the players as they are less likely to end up playing at some crap ground that you get in the county leagues. (Although of course if they are that good they'll get into WEPL anyway :)
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I believe it's at the end of 2024 season the proposal was, not for this season.
2024? I'll be retired by then ;)
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2024? I'll be retired by then ;)
Lol. 2014 even
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I still can't see a reason for the 2nd xi leagues tbh , the only advantage is for the players as they are less likely to end up playing at some crap ground that you get in the county leagues. (Although of course if they are that good they'll get into WEPL anyway :)
This was being discussed down in Kent about 10 years ago and the suits vetoed the suggestion purely because they didn't want their club to potentially go to some crap grounds. Whilst there are now some 3rd and 4th teams in the main Kent league, it is still split by 1st and 2nd XI leagues.
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This was being discussed down in Kent about 10 years ago and the suits vetoed the suggestion purely because they didn't want their club to potentially go to some crap grounds. Whilst there are now some 3rd and 4th teams in the main Kent league, it is still split by 1st and 2nd XI leagues.
The strength of the glos wilts and glos 2nd xi divs is certainly pretty poor tbh. Just pointless too as there is nothing to win or lose in 2nd xi cricket.
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The strength of the glos wilts and glos 2nd xi divs is certainly pretty poor tbh. Just pointless too as there is nothing to win or lose in 2nd xi cricket.
Not sure how WEPL is structured to be honest, I'm guessing different to the Kent league which has the Prem 1st and 2nd XI then divs 1-5 all split by 1st and 2nd XI. They should create an open structure in my opinion. I wasn't good enough to play 1st team but the 2nd XI Premier and division 1 which I have played in was very very strong. Far stronger than what I'm currently playing.
In terms of winning or losing that might be the case. But I would have thought that clubs would want their 2nd XI to be playing as high a standard as they can as it will benefit the club as a whole.
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Not sure how WEPL is structured to be honest, I'm guessing different to the Kent league which has the Prem 1st and 2nd XI then divs 1-5 all split by 1st and 2nd XI. They should create an open structure in my opinion. I wasn't good enough to play 1st team but the 2nd XI Premier and division 1 which I have played in was very very strong. Far stronger than what I'm currently playing.
In terms of winning or losing that might be the case. But I would have thought that clubs would want their 2nd XI to be playing as high a standard as they can as it will benefit the club as a whole.
Well hopefully they'll see sense as although I don't play 2nds the three games I did play were pretty pointless as they were nowhere near the standard of first team and I'd put money on them no winning the county divs which to me means they shouldn't be 'above' county teams
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I'll just stick to my mediocre B&D
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Who do you play for out of interest ProCricker1982?
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Who do you play for out of interest ProCricker1982?
Hatherley & reddings
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Hatherley & reddings
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What league is that bud?
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Glos league so basically div 4
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The strength of the glos wilts and glos 2nd xi divs is certainly pretty poor tbh. Just pointless too as there is nothing to win or lose in 2nd xi cricket.
That is wrong I am afraid mate - there is promotion and relegation withing the 2nd XI leagues, so there is something to play for.
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That is wrong I am afraid mate - there is promotion and relegation withing the 2nd XI leagues, so there is something to play for.
Agreed. Bristol and somerset 2nd11 league was a very good standard!
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That is wrong I am afraid mate - there is promotion and relegation withing the 2nd XI leagues, so there is something to play for.
what is there to play for? 2nd xi div x winner.. whoopie do.. Wouldn't it be better to go into your local county div and win a league there and aim to get up the ladder that way?? Standards in 2nd xi cricket won't be higher than the top county divs I don't suspect given they are second teams.
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what is there to play for? 2nd xi div x winner.. whoopie do.. Wouldn't it be better to go into your local county div and win a league there and aim to get up the ladder that way?? Standards in 2nd xi cricket won't be higher than the top county divs I don't suspect given they are second teams.
Sorry mate but that's wrong. There is promotion and relegation in the 2nd xi league and it means you can play at better grounds.
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Sorry mate but you are wrong there. I think promotion to the league above is something to play for!!!! OK its still 2nd XI cricket but its promotion to a better standard of 2nd XI cricket, and therefore better grounds.
Not everyone can play 1st XI cricket, and I think you are being rather demeaning of those that do.
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Sorry mate but you are wrong there. I think promotion to the league above is something to play for!!!! OK its still 2nd XI cricket but its promotion to a better standard of 2nd XI cricket, and therefore better grounds.
Not everyone can play 1st XI cricket, and I think you are being rather demeaning of those that do.
Here here. Promotion from Bristol and somerset to pre, 2 etc. means a hell of a lot more than promotion from shrubbery 9 to shrubbery 8 for example, which would be the leagues you get stuck in if your 1st team aren't good enough.
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Here here. Promotion from Bristol and somerset to pre, 2 etc. means a hell of a lot more than promotion from shrubbery 9 to shrubbery 8 for example, which would be the leagues you get stuck in if your 1st team aren't good enough.
Why is it demeaning to those in 2nd teams? Surely being in the county leagues is. Ritter and shows players ability far more than 2xi divs??
Plus, I'm not saying put 2xi's down to the low leagues! I'd start them in the higher leagues. So the top few 2nds go div 1 , next league down divs 2/3 etc. surely no e regards 2nd leagues as a test of level compared to county divs?
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But who decides where they start? Div 3 or lower is horrendous by the way!
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But who decides where they start?
Not the clubs as they'll over estimate their ability! Pretty sure you could split it fairly easily though. List out the glos (use that as that's my area) 2nd xi's and then just split them between the divs. For a couple of seasons you have more promotions and delegations to get any incorrect teams sorted and settle it down .
Still 4 teams into each league so the 4 'best' go in div 1, next 4 div 2 etc etc. pretty sure most teams wouldn't be 'too good' and if they are with the increased promotions will be up quickly enough
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And in the meantime, a waste of 3-4 seasons for the clubs in too low a league, and players will disappear to other clubs and destroy 2nd teams
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And in the meantime, a waste of 3-4 seasons for the clubs in too low a league, and players will disappear to other clubs and destroy 2nd teams
Not really, the few good 2nds will be in the top 2 divs. The rest from the glos teams I've seen will probably just about survive in divs 3/4/5!!
No idea on Bristol area etc but I'd suspect its similar
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Look at it like this mate, every team in wepl 1 2nd xi would smash every team in div 2 of the feeder system! Therefore by deduction the prem 1 2nd xi is far stronger than the feeder system into the wepl. In fact almost every team in prem 1 2nd xi would be too strong for the teams in the somerset league if the wepl. Leave it as it is. It is less if a step up then to go up to the 1st team, knowing what sort of wickets to play on etc. professionalism is higher as well. Leave it! I would rather be playing prem 2nd cricket than in any of the feeder leagues!
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Look at it like this mate, every team in wepl 1 2nd xi would smash every team in div 2 of the feeder system! Therefore by deduction the prem 1 2nd xi is far stronger than the feeder system into the wepl. In fact almost every team in prem 1 2nd xi would be too strong for the teams in the somerset league if the wepl. Leave it as it is. It is less if a step up then to go up to the 1st team, knowing what sort of wickets to play on etc. professionalism is higher as well. Leave it! I would rather be playing prem 2nd cricket than in any of the feeder leagues!
So he'll win that league and get into proper WEPL rather than 2nd xi. Just removes a needless extra system and makes it easier for the organisers when teams move up and down
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But it doesn't mate because teams in the 2nd xi system can move up and down regardless of where their first team is (as long as they don't drop out of the wepl).
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But it doesn't mate because teams in the 2nd xi system can move up and down regardless of where their first team is (as long as they don't drop out of the wepl).
It's up and downtown heir own little league. Why be totally separate ?? Makes no sense. Stick them in the normal leagues like everyone else. When someone is relegated from WEPL the county leagues then need to fine two spots rather than one. Just seems stupid and if they had just the one system it's clear, simple and no separate little leagues that don't really mean much
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You make a good point, but I still disagree, as you do with me so let's amicably agree to disagree lol :D
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My team finished 3rd bottom in the Somerset div of wepl. Standard is average but we still managed to beat 2 WEPL prem 1 second x1 teams on the way to a cup final.
Prem 1 and 2 is being merged soon I think.
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You make a good point, but I still disagree, as you do with me so let's amicably agree to disagree lol :D
Lol :)
Quite agree
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I'm with Nick on this one! Having played a lot of 2nd xi and 1st xi cricket in the wepl, prem 2 and Bristol & Somerset.
When I was playing 2nd we couldn't bare the thought of getting relegated and playing on crap grounds, crap changing rooms and awful wickets! With the system the way that is it, 2nd xi sides can bat and bowl on good wickets, field on a true outfield, and benefit from the luxuries of sight screens, covers, etc.
As for the standard, the step up from Bristol & Somerset to Prem 2 wasn't as big as I expected, however 2nd xi to 1st xi is a massive gap!
I hope WEPL keep it the same, would be a shame if it was merged with shrubbery league for 2nd teams....