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Cricket Manufacturers / Brands => Stretton Fox => Topic started by: StrettonFox Sports on November 24, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
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Hi Everyone,
Theres been a lot of questions about being able to modify existing equipment.
My questions is how would the sound of "Shin Protector" inserts for existing batting pads / one size fits all be ?
These could simply slide between the cushioning panels in existing pads, cost less than new pads and hope to increase the protection considerably (Imagine your current pads, now imagine also having a layer of Stretton Fox protection over the fragile front shin).
The risk assessment also seems like maybe only one would be needed for the front facing pad so these could sell individually ?
Not sure about price quite yet, but probably looking at about £30ish.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, cheers !
George
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Sounds like a fantastic idea and a reasonable price point too. Would save always shelling out for top tier pads and utilise a cheaper version with added protection inside.
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Like the idea but it not the shin i worry about most it the bit where the shin bolster meets the knee roll that for me is the weak area.
Not convinced with the buying cheaper as people know softs are competitive market as it is unless you buy the very bottom of the range 30 quid is going to negate any potential saving.
Like the idea but you do not see to many shin injury's and most mid range pads have the hard plastozote insert which surfaces
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Would benefit users of pads that are very light in weight like the Morrant International pads.
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Dr Foxy a few questions to hopefully aid you and development....
How many injuries occur by being hit on the shin of a pad?
Would u be taking away materials to retro fit a SF offering adding the benefit of reduced weight and increased protection?
Is £30 worth it or would you be better off buying a new set of pads as it's more likely the instep/PU/straps will suffer wear and tear before the padding gives up the ghost IMO.
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I have an old set of £20 slaz pads from JJB from my U13 days kicking round, I could dig them out if you need a guinea pig
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More then happy to test some out over winter nets if you want ;)
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To be honest, if you had SF shin pads, you probably don't need the rest of the pad...
Can't say I know anyone who has ever been injured on the shin due to pads not protecting enough. Even with a bowling machine at 95mph.
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Dr Foxy a few questions to hopefully aid you and development....
How many injuries occur by being hit on the shin of a pad?
Would u be taking away materials to retro fit a SF offering adding the benefit of reduced weight and increased protection?
Is £30 worth it or would you be better off buying a new set of pads as it's more likely the instep/PU/straps will suffer wear and tear before the padding gives up the ghost IMO.
Sir always a pleasure )
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Hi Everyone thanks so much this feedback is awesome ! I agree with comments that perhaps this is not needed which is why its great to put it out there !
There is a plan for a complete solution further down the line, but the thought is if perhaps something could provide additional support if required ?
TomTek ! In answer to the questions, this could just slip between the inner cushioning sections of the pad, my concern is if users do some "Home improvements" to existing pads by cutting other parts out to save on weight and potentially compromise the overall protection.
Keep the thoughts coming ! all questions appreciated !! :)
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Struggling to see the benefits where as with most pads an extra £30 would just get you the better protection if the pads. I guess these would be portable and you could use on multiple pads.
Not sure if I've missed something but are these only for pads and not like some fielding shinpads which you could use separately to batting?
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I'd be interested, as longevity of this pad would outweight immediate cost.
For instance, I bought some bargain Kook 400s, but could feel the ball through them when the were sharpish. If I could get these in place, once one pair of pads wear out, I can remove these and put in my new pads, which will also be cheap because I don't need the high range.
Only thing as mentioned about, if you could get something near the knee too, that's be beneficial too.
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I think it's a good idea but depends on how they will fit in the pad. Most won't want to start cutting and stitching.
How about a set of guards that cover the shin and knee for close in fielders, like the detachable guards from the M&H pads.
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I guess my thoughts here are that you can pick up to of the line pads in the sales every year for around £50. Whilst these cost £30 I just don't see the market, especially when you consider how long pads really last (not in cbf-land).
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Awesome feedback !
The brand would only want to bring out something that is genuinely beneficial, I can already make short-leg fielding pads which are being used by a lot of county setups at the moment, and the "Leg-System" although delayed will not be too far away from initial release hopefully. So perhaps this concept of additional protection may be seen as more of an attempt to just make sales which I would not wish to do. Each product that comes out needs to be absolutely unique and either set a new standard or provide a better solution.
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last line of the above is what sets a SF product aside from others Dr Foxy and I agree with it 100% :)
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Boom ! Thank you sir always a pleasure. Well that's what this marvellous forum is all about ;)
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I guess my thoughts here are that you can pick up to of the line pads in the sales every year for around £50. Whilst these cost £30 I just don't see the market, especially when you consider how long pads really last (not in cbf-land).
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True, not saying this is a solution, but is a good idea. Whether it is worth it to be done is the question.
Whilst you can get the top pads for 50 perhaps, the lower models are equally as reduced. A pair of Slaz Sports Direct jobbies for 10-15 quid.
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i don't see the point, i use Morrant pads and the padding is fine ( got whacked once on my front knee , but afterwards just moved the inner pad higher up and never had a problem since ) ...obviously i use my bat more than my pads but still haven't found a set of pads yet that "don't" work....
Im sure you will sell a few but overall i don't think its a worthwhile investment from your side..
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True, not saying this is a solution, but is a good idea. Whether it is worth it to be done is the question.
Whilst you can get the top pads for 50 perhaps, the lower models are equally as reduced. A pair of Slaz Sports Direct jobbies for 10-15 quid.
Indeed they are, and if you are playing at a level where you need the additional protection of Foxy inners, are you really going to buy pads for 15 quid?
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If they were to work as well as top of the range pads, then yes, I would. If I could get the top of the range protection, without often the weight and bulkiness some pads have, and never have to pay more than 20 quid again, I would snap their hand off.
The Slaz pairI have are as good as some decent pads I have had at 4x the price.
It still comes down to the "if". It is a big ask to find something that could guarantee to be as good, as safe and as light as a top pad by just adding one or two inserts.
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30 for a set off SF inner pads isn't bad in my eyes.
Yes you could get a high quality a Set off pads in a sale for 50, but I wouldn't actually expect the SF inner to ever wear out, so can be used again and again.
You can buy 6 set off bottom line pads for £10 in a sale. And put your SF in all. So that's 90quid.
Or 6 sets off top of the line pads for £50 in a sale, which is £300.
A saving off £210 is a a lot for someone that really isn't that well off. Even if it is over 6years.
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30 for a set off SF inner pads isn't bad in my eyes.
Yes you could get a high quality a Set off pads in a sale for 50, but I wouldn't actually expect the SF inner to ever wear out, so can be used again and again.
You can buy 6 set off bottom line pads for £10 in a sale. And put your SF in all. So that's 90quid.
Or 6 sets off top of the line pads for £50 in a sale, which is £300.
A saving off £210 is a a lot for someone that really isn't that well off. Even if it is over 6years.
i think the problem with cheaper pads is not the protection, its the weight..
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i think the problem with cheaper pads is not the protection, its the weight..
For someone on a budget, say minimum wage with a family home to run, is weight the top of there priority? Or would protection at an affordable price be higher?
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For someone on a budget, say minimum wage with a family home to run, is weight the top of there priority? Or would protection at an affordable price be higher?
I only have one issue with all this there no need for extra shin protection.
If your buying introduction level pads then i doubt your going to fork out for a inner padding worth more than the pads.
As i said the main issue with pads is under the knee. You can always tell a decent pad with what that area offers..
But what do i know about pads???
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Personally I wouldn't go for it as I've never seen someone be injured in the shin area while batting, but I guess some people may find it more useful than I would :)?
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I only have one issue with all this there no need for extra shin protection.
If your buying introduction level pads then i doubt your going to fork out for a inner padding worth more than the pads.
As i said the main issue with pads is under the knee. You can always tell a decent pad with what that area offers..
But what do i know about pads???
But if there was something on the market that turned average pads into the same protection quality, then why would you spend loads more for top pads when you don't need to?
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How about something slightly different in that the protection goes on top of the current bolster? It is then secured by a velcro strap or loop underneath the existing bolster, this means that the protection could go higher and protect the knee (the main problem IMO) this would give more protection than the initial idea as the shin protection will have to be quite small to fit under the knee roll. Just a thought, PM me if you need further explanation.
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For someone on a budget, say minimum wage with a family home to run, is weight the top of there priority? Or would protection at an affordable price be higher?
I think your earlier point muses the point though. In real life, not cbf-land, most people don't but new pads every year, indeed, I'm a fully paid up member of cbf-land and I don't do that either.... I paid £45 for a pair of top off the range pads in a sale two years ago and I'll wear them till they wear out. Most cricketers do this rather than new ones every year.
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But if there was something on the market that turned average pads into the same protection quality, then why would you spend loads more for top pads when you don't need to?
You answered your own question there mate.
Why do most spend money on top pads when they need too??
Most don't mate most do not care mate if it a forum product then it fine but the bigger picture people will not buy into it.
Why do people buy pads is the question ???
Style?? Brand??? Price??? i suspect protection comes after all them as the average cricketer thinks it a pad it will do it's job.
I mean pads are a subject i like we can talk all day about them the qualities and what not but will it sell pads no.
I think Stretton should bring a pad out a proper Pad or like 123 says a kind of under knee bolster.
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I think your earlier point muses the point though. In real life, not cbf-land, most people don't but new pads every year, indeed, I'm a fully paid up member of cbf-land and I don't do that either.... I paid £45 for a pair of top off the range pads in a sale two years ago and I'll wear them till they wear out. Most cricketers do this rather than new ones every year.
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I spent £30 on a pair of Chase pads in 2009, and replaced then this year as thy were worn through. They offered reasonable protection so I wouldn't have spent any more adding to it.
This year I spent £40 on a pair of blank pads from Dave, they offer sufficient protection again and I hope they last the same amount of time, if not longer.
I'm not sure if the new foxy shin protectors would actually represent a saving to the average punter.
(This list is ignoring the other 2 sets of pads I may have purchased this year...)
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why not just make hockey shin pads and then a user can multi task them?
but there is absolutely no need to buy a new pair of pads twice a season!
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You answered your own question there mate.
Why do most spend money on top pads when they need too??
Most don't mate most do not care mate if it a forum product then it fine but the bigger picture people will not buy into it.
Why do people buy pads is the question ???
Style?? Brand??? Price??? i suspect protection comes after all them as the average cricketer thinks it a pad it will do it's job.
I mean pads are a subject i like we can talk all day about them the qualities and what not but will it sell pads no.
I think Stretton should bring a pad out a proper Pad or like 123 says a kind of under knee bolster.
People pay more because they presume they are getting something better and they have seen it on TV.
I'll keep going back to the Kook 400s which I could feel YDSCL Div 5 bowlers through. They cost me £12 in the super sale. All they needed was a bit more shin protection and they would have been fine, light, non-bully pads.
If this had been on the market, Iwould have'considered' this.
Just because we on this forum think we have all the inside info, there are a lot of knowledgeable folk out there who would also be in a similar boat and would 'consider' this choice.
The fact the pad could be removed and put in your next pair would be of benefit and many frugal cricketers are about who may like this idea.
Yes it is not everyone's idea, and it may or may not be worth it,but the idea is sound to ask and the options would have some followers.
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Hi everyone thanks so much for all the comments, it's extremely interesting to read the feedback and overall i'm just so pleased everyone is so passionate about product (Hey it's why we're here !)
Looks like this could be a marmite item !
Stretton Fox body armour has a genuine benefit and offers a different approach due to its construction and finish. The main aim being to give you guys better protection. Although a pad insert would increase protection in leg guards, existing pads (not all!) can and do offer correct protection according to the level played. So perhaps this is the key to moving forward and making pads better, match or achieve better protection and then improve other aspects on the product to make real change and not just more of the same ?
Wouldn't it be nice if someone came out with a brand new system for legs :)
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I have a pair of Powerbow Test pads from a few years back. The protection on the inside is actually removable.
If this is a common feature could you possible make a replacement 'middle bit' so there is the stretton fox protection with no more (or even less in some cases) bulk and weight.
Might be a stupid idea but thought if share it.
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People pay more because they presume they are getting something better and they have seen it on TV.
I'll keep going back to the Kook 400s which I could feel YDSCL Div 5 bowlers through. They cost me £12 in the super sale. All they needed was a bit more shin protection and they would have been fine, light, non-bully pads.
If this had been on the market, Iwould have'considered' this.
Just because we on this forum think we have all the inside info, there are a lot of knowledgeable folk out there who would also be in a similar boat and would 'consider' this choice.
The fact the pad could be removed and put in your next pair would be of benefit and many frugal cricketers are about who may like this idea.
Yes it is not everyone's idea, and it may or may not be worth it,but the idea is sound to ask and the options would have some followers.
No inside information or knowledge mate just basic thoughts mate i agree the forum is not the only fountain of information but to don't need me to tell you this. Agree been said many times there abig gap in the market for something different in pads but it the only area that seems to be holding still
The old newbery sps pads used a thin removable bolster they doubled up as fielding pads
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Haven't read the thread....
Has anyone suggested the idea of extra protection to the inside of the knee or ankle to save you from those horrible inside edges?
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It does appear that any inserts may not be universal, which would surely limit selling potential?
have you thought about looking at an alternative wicket keeper's pad? The under trouser and lighter ones seem to be v popular, noticed de kock wearing them in sa vs Pakistan odi. Maybe the lightest option offering your superior protection is an option?
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Wouldn't it be nice if someone came out with a brand new system for legs :)
Yes, I wonder who would be looking into that?
If it be designed to be added to and taken apart, that may be interesting.
Shin pads, add a bit, keeper pads, add a bit batting pads. 3 pairs in one.
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Yes, I wonder who would be looking into that?
If it be designed to be added to and taken apart, that may be interesting.
Shin pads, add a bit, keeper pads, add a bit batting pads. 3 pairs in one.
You're not far off ;)
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George make me some fancy keeping pads :P
xx
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I'm not sure this is something I'd go for given how cheaply you can pick up a pair of top of the range pads in the sales but its worth asking the question.
Did anything ever happen with the toe protection for batting as I think this was once in the pipeline?
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I'm not sure there is a market for it at amateur level without offering to partner up with a big brand to provide inserts like d30 did with GM. However at pro level I know a number of guys who insert foam or additional inserts in their leading leg. In fact if you check out Tendulkars last match you'll see the extra padding creeping around his left leg.
I imagine at a certain pace a flush hit to the shin will hurt regardless and having confidence to keep your form when on the front foot is important so additional protection would be useful.
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I'm not sure there is a market for it at amateur level without offering to partner up with a big brand to provide inserts like d30 did with GM. However at pro level I know a number of guys who insert foam or additional inserts in their leading leg. In fact if you check out Tendulkars last match you'll see the extra padding creeping around his left leg.
I imagine at a certain pace a flush hit to the shin will hurt regardless and having confidence to keep your form when on the front foot is important so additional protection would be useful.
There's plenty of well documented evidence (and I think Tendulkar has also spoken about it) relating to Tendulkar padding out his (very old) Morrants with extra towels.
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These would be a massive hit with the pros as most of them add extra padding behind the shin bolster, but for club cricketers facing 65/75mph at the max I think the padding in pads themselves would be sufficient mate
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id just like to add ive got some of these and there awesome !
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Any pictures Dave?
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i havnt but i can take some if you really want me too? its a simple yet effective shin pad.. been hit a few times on the machine n dont feel much
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Yeah please upload some Dave mate
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ill have to do it in the next few days bud.. bags at me mums !
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No problem mate