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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Ashes 2013/2014 => Topic started by: tim2000s on December 17, 2013, 06:48:35 AM
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Firstly, congratulations to Australia, said through gritted teeth. You've played a much better brand of cricket.
On to the point. Stokes has scored the first English century in the ashes tests this time around. Why?
It's it because he's simply shown up that the Aussie side aren't as good as the rest of the top order have made them look? Do the English batsmen needed a bit more 'dog' about them?
It's it because he is brilliant, and being ginger helps?
Or is it much simpler than that, in that the Aussie management hasn't yet seen enough to work out how to strangle him and set traps that he willingly falls into?
What's your opinion?
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Gingers are slowly taking over the world
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He played the brand of cricket the Aussie batsmen played.... with aggression and intent.. He didn't crap himself when the going got tough... He got going
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He proved he's 'got it' and in his second test match too. Well played. The challenge will be to maintain this excellent standard as the Aussies will now take him seriously and will no doubt revise his innings to look for a soft spot.
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Australia over attacked when Stokes came in on day 4.
Had they stuck to their bowling plans, he wouldn't have got a hundred.
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Australia over attacked when Stokes came in on day 4.
Had they stuck to their bowling plans, he wouldn't have got a hundred.
Over attacked, yeah, Mmm, England did that too, that is why the Aussie runs came easily. That's it, Cook is too attacking.
Stokes has played well, and well done to that man. Hope he keeps it up.
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Congrats to Stokes on his first test ton. Proves he's good enough to cut it at this level. I think it shows a bit of hunger and this is perhaps what some of the established top order players are missing. They've got their test hundreds, mid 40s average, do they really have burning desire to go and prove themselves again? They must be good enough players as there have been lots of 20,30,40s but there just not staying there for the big ones.
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Stokes is fighting for his place and trying to prove himself. He's fresh in what seems like a closed shop. Too many players take their spot for granted as there is little or no competition. Something needs to be done to show they are undroppable. That might bring back the hunger and desire.
You look at the aus team of the 90's/00's. Their reserve list was a team that would have won a fair few tests! This probably gave the main team enough drive to perform and want to keep their place
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The thing I liked was there was no over the top celebration when he reached his ton. A bit of a fist pump and acknowledgement to the crowd and his team mates and then got on with it again. A lot different to the other stuff we see these days. I like him as a cricketer.
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That he deserves a run in the side!
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Ill refer back to compton. two test tons in a row then dispatched. its good for him to score a test ton, good for confidence. it may have been in an ashes test opposed to a test against NZ but it wasnt exactly under pressure. we were extremely unlikely to do anything due to our shocking batting form so there was no pressure on him. if he scored a few then great. if he failed, hes the new kid on the block and didnt do any worse than the seasoned pros. hopefully it can kick start something but it doesnt mean he has solved that position just yet.
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Andy Flower hit on a key point when he said that number six was a good place to bat in tests, and Stokes showed that he has the talent to do that, though I fancy in an ideal world the keeper - Prior or Bairstow - would bat ahead of him and he'd come in seven. So what he showed was talent, organisation and intent. Bell and Root already have these traits, though are batting in the wrong spots, whereas Cook and Pietersen seem to lack the organisation at th moment and Carberry is batting well for a guy who is just short of test class.
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Ill refer back to compton. two test tons in a row then dispatched. its good for him to score a test ton, good for confidence. it may have been in an ashes test opposed to a test against NZ but it wasnt exactly under pressure. we were extremely unlikely to do anything due to our shocking batting form so there was no pressure on him. if he scored a few then great. if he failed, hes the new kid on the block and didnt do any worse than the seasoned pros. hopefully it can kick start something but it doesnt mean he has solved that position just yet.
Not the position as it has been for the last four years, no - I suspect that planted front foot will cause him a few problems over time - but a variation of the Flintoff role, perhaps. You have to remember that he gives England a fifth bowler, which was arguably the thing that stopped the 2009 team going on to be real worldleaders, which also allows them to be a bit funky in their choice of third seamer, say if they want to blood Rankin or, down the line, Mills.
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Hopefully they'll stick with him. He bowls at a decent lick like Flintoff used to and his batting technique looks far more solid. I'm worried that they'll coach the speed out of his bowling like they have done with Broad.
I would like to see some reconfiguring of the side. Swann and Anderson haven't been at their best for a year. I would like to see them sent back to the county game, if anything just to refresh their hunger for test cricket again. A spell out of the side might help to do that. At the minute they look tired and out of ideas.
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Stokes' ton proves he is ready for test level, something a lot of you were claiming he wasn't when he made his debut (or day-boo if you prefer).
Now I seriously hope he stays in the side as, to me, he has all the makings of the next Freddie. I've rated Stokes for a while so I for one am glad he's been given a chance to show how good he is.
With him and Root already in the side, is it time to start looking forward and getting a few more youngsters in? I'd like to see Chris Woakes, Chris Wood & David Willey given a go in the seamers positions, along with Finn and Meaker. The spinners position given to Briggs or Kerrigan (who was treated very unfairly in my opinion) an some of the young batsmen, Vince, Ballance, Ali, Taylor ect bought into the side over time. England's old guard aren't why they used to be so consolidating for the future may be wise sooner rather than later!
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With him and Root already in the side, is it time to start looking forward and getting a few more youngsters in? I'd like to see Chris Woakes, Chris Wood & David Willey given a go in the seamers positions, along with Finn and Meaker. The spinners position given to Briggs or Kerrigan (who was treated very unfairly in my opinion) an some of the young batsmen, Vince, Ballance, Ali, Taylor ect bought into the side over time. England's old guard aren't why they used to be so consolidating for the future may be wise sooner rather than later!
Seriously? Some of the names posited nearly had me choking on my coke zero.
Don't mistake me, I think there is value in steadily streaming young players through as the side evolves, but I am seriously unsure as to your reasoning for a lot of the names mentioned. Batting wise, I agree Balance ill be worth a spot eventually, though I think he needs to spend a season batting three or four for Yorkshire first myself, and Vince has enough talent that he ought to get there at some point, through returns to date have not suggested that that point is anytime soon. But Taylor....I suspect that his character has not impressed management and that he will struggle to get close, which is sadly a fair call for my money. As for Moeen, he would need to continue to score big, ideally in the top tier, to convince tat his recent improvements are just that rather than a purple patch (though I would stick him in the one day side happily). Yet you don't mention Sam Robson and Varun Chopra, nor Alex Lees...
Spinners next - Briggs should competing at the Lakeside not the MCG. Kerrigan...in time, maybe, but there are some serious scars there hat will take a lot to heal, and when he does come back for another go, he needs to have worked a way of getting some more snap and body into his action because placing it there with a flick of the wrist might work on underprepared Liverpool club wickets, but it won't on Chief Executive pitches at Test grounds. Here, I'd ask why Azim Rafiq doesn't get a shout out - our nearest replacement for Swann and a good all rounder cricketer, though the ideal would be for one of Rashid and Borthwick to kick on with their bowling that little bit to give us an all round wrist spin option.
So far, we can agree to disagree...but Woakes, Wood and Willey? The latter may make it in time, though mot likely in the one day game rather than the test arena. But Woakes' chances were firmly scuppered when Stokes came into the side, as there will never be a place for both of them, and Wood would not get in the top 20 seamers in the country. Meaker and Finn might be part of the long tem solution but even they are a way back in the reckoning a of now - I'd say Broad and Anderson are still first names, Bresnan will be round and about, and Onions will suddenly look very good in comparison. For new blood, I would still like to see Rankin given a go, and there are longer term prospects in Topley and Mills at Essex, Jamie Overton at Somerset and Luke Fletcher and Harry Gurney at Notts. I'd like to see if Chris Rushworth has the skill to fill the old Hoggard role, though I suspect lack of gas will count against him.
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Wood really,,, I like Woakes but he too is below the test level i think.
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Has James Taylor got character problems? He always seems like a team player to me and I'd like to see him have a run in the one day side at the very least.
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Has James Taylor got character problems? He always seems like a team player to me and I'd like to see him have a run in the one day side at the very least.
I don't know whether he has or hasn't, but it I very clear that the England management have seen something that they really don't like about him...
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Having watched a lot of Hampshire this year, I would agree that Wood and Briggs just aren't Test bowlers and Vince needs to mature before he is considered. All could become fixtures in the ODI team in due course though
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Seriously? Some of the names posited nearly had me choking on my coke zero.
Don't mistake me, I think there is value in steadily streaming young players through as the side evolves, but I am seriously unsure as to your reasoning for a lot of the names mentioned. Batting wise, I agree Balance ill be worth a spot eventually, though I think he needs to spend a season batting three or four for Yorkshire first myself, and Vince has enough talent that he ought to get there at some point, through returns to date have not suggested that that point is anytime soon. But Taylor....I suspect that his character has not impressed management and that he will struggle to get close, which is sadly a fair call for my money. As for Moeen, he would need to continue to score big, ideally in the top tier, to convince tat his recent improvements are just that rather than a purple patch (though I would stick him in the one day side happily). Yet you don't mention Sam Robson and Varun Chopra, nor Alex Lees...
Spinners next - Briggs should competing at the Lakeside not the MCG. Kerrigan...in time, maybe, but there are some serious scars there hat will take a lot to heal, and when he does come back for another go, he needs to have worked a way of getting some more snap and body into his action because placing it there with a flick of the wrist might work on underprepared Liverpool club wickets, but it won't on Chief Executive pitches at Test grounds. Here, I'd ask why Azim Rafiq doesn't get a shout out - our nearest replacement for Swann and a good all rounder cricketer, though the ideal would be for one of Rashid and Borthwick to kick on with their bowling that little bit to give us an all round wrist spin option.
So far, we can agree to disagree...but Woakes, Wood and Willey? The latter may make it in time, though mot likely in the one day game rather than the test arena. But Woakes' chances were firmly scuppered when Stokes came into the side, as there will never be a place for both of them, and Wood would not get in the top 20 seamers in the country. Meaker and Finn might be part of the long tem solution but even they are a way back in the reckoning a of now - I'd say Broad and Anderson are still first names, Bresnan will be round and about, and Onions will suddenly look very good in comparison. For new blood, I would still like to see Rankin given a go, and there are longer term prospects in Topley and Mills at Essex, Jamie Overton at Somerset and Luke Fletcher and Harry Gurney at Notts. I'd like to see if Chris Rushworth has the skill to fill the old Hoggard role, though I suspect lack of gas will count against him.
It was more a hypotheticall really mate, the names you have mentioned are indeed valid options too.
I'm just hoping that the management see the light and start the transition period sooner rather than later for whoever they decide to bring in. The same old names suffering the same old problems which results in the same old failures has gone on long enough.
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Having watched a lot of Hampshire this year, I would agree that Wood and Briggs just aren't Test bowlers and Vince needs to mature before he is considered. All could become fixtures in the ODI team in due course though
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Being a Hampshire fan I was overlooking their quality as I'd just like to see them representing England ;)
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There is a real lack of real quality plenty of decent but no real top draw quality around.
But as somebody once said how do you become top draw.
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Now I'm not suggesting that Stokes will go anywhere near the great man, but Kallis would have started as a youngster who bowled mid 80's, and could bat a bit. He looks like he's got a more solid technique and better mentality than Freddie. Too early to say, but the lads only 22. He's won me over, and I hope he's got a big future. I didn't see any of it, and don't know how the Aussies bowled at him, but his temperament sounds good, and we'll see how he matures!
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Being a Hampshire fan I was overlooking their quality as I'd just like to see them representing England ;)
Fair enough. In that case, stick Dawson in there as well! More of a wicket taker than Briggs.
I thought Stokes was very good Nick. Learnt from the mistakes of others; playing length bowling patiently and leaving well and forcing the seamers to aim for wicket balls before punishing the resulting short balls and half volleys. Also was more in control of the pull shot than any of the other England batsman have been this series, playing well in front of square and pulling out when it got above the shoulder
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Does anyone know much about Borthwick? I thought he was coming along nicely a couple of years back, although I'm sure I read they've been batting him up the order and bowling him less?
Also (whisper it) Durham can't be the best place for him to be playing half his games?
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It was more a hypotheticall really mate, the names you have mentioned are indeed valid options too.
I'm just hoping that the management see the light and start the transition period sooner rather than later for whoever they decide to bring in. The same old names suffering the same old problems which results in the same old failures has gone on long enough.
I agree that there needs to be some transition planning - indeed, there should have been more in the last year than there has been really. That said, I don't think that there are same old problems, so much as that a good team has come toward the end of its road. I don' know how many players will be phased out in the next English summer - it may only be one or two at most, but there needs to be a slight move away from the matey culture that has been the preserve of Team England.
For the start of the Summer, I'd currently posit:
Cook
Robson
Bell
Root
Pietersen
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Swann
Rankin
Anderson
With a move over the following year toward:
Cook
Robson
Root
Bell
Balance
Bairstow
Stokes
Rafiq
Broad
One of the left armers
Anderson
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I agree with Manormanic.... mostly. Certainly players like Sam Robson and maybe Rory Burns are the next generation. Balance needs a try too.
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Fair enough. In that case, stick Dawson in there as well! More of a wicket taker than Briggs.
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Dawson is a strange one, a few years back (thinking it was 2009) he was a young player with all the makings of an England player. Sadly he never lived up to his early promise and his chances of international recognition are now all but over.
I think he'll go down as a what if of the county game.
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I thought the thing with Taylor was they thought his action would be suspect against top bowlers because of his height?
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When you're having to pull full length balls at the WACA because they're up around your chest, I would suggest that is a problem against Johnson!
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Fair play to young Stokes on an entertaining innings.
Livened up the game.
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I think Taylor just didn't get the century he needed in the few test match opportunities he had, hopefully he will come again. Being very small never did Sunil Gavaskar any harm and he prospered against the Windies quicks in the 1970s.
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I remember stories of KP openly questioning the ability of Taylor in front of everyone....
For what it's worth, Borthwick making runs at Chester le Street bodes well. He can play. Five or six overs when the ball's old could be a decent bonus. English captains can't skipper legspin though...
A fresher attitude and rest are more important than new personnel for the foreseeable.
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Does anyone know much about Borthwick? I thought he was coming along nicely a couple of years back, although I'm sure I read they've been batting him up the order and bowling him less?
Also (whisper it) Durham can't be the best place for him to be playing half his games?
From a Durham supporter, i would think if he does wants keep progessing his leg spin, which hasnt really kicked on since he came on the scene. It would have to be away from the Riverside, most games there he doesnt get much of a whirl, but to his credit his batting last season came on leaps and bounds when he was given the chance after the loss of Diva and Benks, he was given the chance up the order and scored 1000+ fc runs.
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I remember stories of KP openly questioning the ability of Taylor in front of everyone....
England collapsing, Taylor comes in and holds an end to stop the collapse. KP gets his century, with KP scoring freely at one end Taylor rotated the strike so England went along nicely.
End of the day they go into the changing room and KP calls him the worst player he's ever played with.
Or so the rumour has it.
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Also my thought on this topic:
Ben Stokes will be hailed the next Ian Botham/Freddie Flintoff. Especially with Botham being the pheonix rising from a dreadful ashes.
Therefore Stokes Century means:
He will have an awesome career but be overplayed cutting it short, develop a fearsome character and personality on the pitch.
And of course: Stokes outdoing Beefys and Freddies antics to make him a bad boy in the press.....
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England collapsing, Taylor comes in and holds an end to stop the collapse. KP gets his century, with KP scoring freely at one end Taylor rotated the strike so England went along nicely.
End of the day they go into the changing room and KP calls him the worst player he's ever played with.
Or so the rumour has it.
Hahaha. Seems a nice bloke that mr pietersen, lovely team ethic, would never see him batting for himself rather than the team. Oh wait.....
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to be fair after the way KP batted that day most batsman would seem terrible in comparison - apart from Bell of course. Not convinced by Taylor at all. Has no front foot and looks a nailed on LBW candidate. He has been effective though.
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To me Stokes has proved he can play test cricket. However, whether he can make a long term career remains to be seen.
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to be fair after the way KP batted that day most batsman would seem terrible in comparison - apart from Bell of course. Not convinced by Taylor at all. Has no front foot and looks a nailed on LBW candidate. He has been effective though.
You can't really argue with the results he's produced though. Watched him bat at Trent Bridge quite a few times and always looks a class apart. He's scored loads of runs, had a really good second season with Notts (to make up for the average first one) and has scored runs playing for England A. And he can bat anywhere between 3 and 6, giving you options. Got done over a bit by the England management after his 3 tests!
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Also my thought on this topic:
Ben Stokes will be hailed the next Ian Botham/Freddie Flintoff. Especially with Botham being the pheonix rising from a dreadful ashes.
Therefore Stokes Century means:
He will have an awesome career but be overplayed cutting it short, develop a fearsome character and personality on the pitch.
And of course: Stokes outdoing Beefys and Freddies antics to make him a bad boy in the press.....
Not sure how much of this post was tongue in cheek but will take the Flintoff/Botham comparisons at face value.
I don't think England will end up overbowling Stokes as I don't think he will ever become the best seamer in the attack as they were. I also don't believe that he will become a 'talisman' for the side (if you'll pardon the cliche) but he will provide a balance that will strengthen the team significantly. I think that comments that he is not a true number six are harsh based on what I have seen of him before this test and even more so now and he will prove a good impact bowler with his extra pace and aggression, especially if his workload is carefully managed.
So not a 'once-in-a-generation' player by any means but an all rounder who I think will justify his selection in both disciplines in due course
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England collapsing, Taylor comes in and holds an end to stop the collapse. KP gets his century, with KP scoring freely at one end Taylor rotated the strike so England went along nicely.
End of the day they go into the changing room and KP calls him the worst player he's ever played with.
Or so the rumour has it.
I had this backed up by a certain England captain no longer player and KP had lunch apart from the rest of the team on captains say so...... it was the start of text gate.......
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That one innings can be analysed within an inch of its life? ;)
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Cook is too attacking.
Are you sure?! :o
Cook is one of the most negative captains on the international circuit.
It has worked in the past but only works if your batsman are scoring big runs, which for the last two ashes series they haven't done consistently enough.
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To me Stokes has shown that it's not impossible to score runs against that Aussie attack. simple as that
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Are you sure?! :o
Cook is one of the most negative captains on the international circuit.
It has worked in the past but only works if your batsman are scoring big runs, which for the last two ashes series they haven't done consistently enough.
I may have been playing on the previous comment about the fact it was the Aussies bowling, and not Stokes himself, that got the hundred. I just turned their comment around about every Australian ton scorer in the series.
I may have been slightly tongue in cheek with the comment itself.
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For what it's worth, Borthwick making runs at Chester le Street bodes well. He can play. Five or six overs when the ball's old could be a decent bonus. English captains can't skipper legspin though...
Lets be clear, Borthwick will never play as a Steve Smith/Bear White type character, a batsman who bowls a few filthies; if he is to go to play for England his bowling has to be worthy of one of five places, because there are loads of better pure batsmen. The same applies to Adil Rashid, who is a better bat than Borthwick in any event - he's not Test class with the willow, but might be a useful fifth bowler and seven bat.
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Lets be totally honest here where talking who is better than who but in truth none of us watch or i doubt have watched enough 4 day cricket to seriously rate one against the other.
Stats based thoughs and theories we don't have the inside track i think Tai has it right.
Get a chance take it simple as that
In my eyes Stokes is a better version of Bresnan.
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In my eyes Stokes is a better version of Bresnan.
I think that is a bit harsh on both - Stokes will not be the man to bowl the hard overs the way that Bresnan has been, and Bresnan was never more than a good number eight where as Stokes has the potential to be an extremely destructive number six - one of them is the kind of yeoman all good sides desperately need (even the great Australian sides played the likes of Andy Bichel and Mike Kasprowicz, the West Indies needed Gus Logie), the other a really explosive big match player.
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I disagree i think Stokes will develop into the 4th seamer as Bresnan has become and Stokes is a genuine Batsman and a genuine all rounder which our country has not seen too often.
I see similarities with another all rounder of the past but i think Stokes is capable of more he has the world at his feet if he wants it.
Time to bring in Overton over the summer and a few others of a younger ilk i think.
Agree we need a workhorse but i think we need one better than we currently have Australia have Siddall.
Whoever gets in it could be interesting although i do not throw away the old guard just yet there still some mileage in them all.
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I don't think we can really comment until he's had a few tests under his belt. Same with carbs. He's done really well but hasn't made any big scores...yet.
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Carbs is ok nothing more i think he might fade but he has done ok agree but i think Stokes is a class act he has the feeling of matchwinner about him or box office..
Not sure if it in a drunken canoe or on the field though
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I don't think we can really comment until he's had a few tests under his belt. Same with carbs. He's done really well but hasn't made any big scores...yet.
I like Carberry and think he has done OK but surely at his age he was brought in as a short term solution. That has failed and he hasn't nailed down a spot (I know his opportunities have been limited) so surely time to move on?
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Carbs is ok nothing more i think he might fade but he has done ok agree but i think Stokes is a class act he has the feeling of matchwinner about him or box office..
Not sure if it in a drunken canoe or on the field though
I dont think Carberry will fade.......
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I think he has 2 tests to cement a place i hope he does a honest good cricketer
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I like Carberry and think he has done OK but surely at his age.....so surely time to move on?
I think they (Hampshire) will generally line up as:
Carberry (when available)
Adams *
etc....
~ Hampshire Thread
Keep up the effort mate ;).
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~ Hampshire Thread
Keep up the effort mate ;).
Was thinking more of his ODI commitments which I think should continue
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Was thinking more of his ODI commitments which I think should continue
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Oh, that kinda failed on my part when I've gotta explain what I meant doesn't it :(.
I meant as in you want Carberry to be available more so are saying he shouldn't be in the team... ??? Maybe I should leave now :-[.
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Oh, that kinda failed on my part when I've gotta explain what I meant doesn't it :(.
I meant as in you want Carberry to be available more so are saying he shouldn't be in the team... ??? Maybe I should leave now :-[.
No worries, thought that might be what you were getting at.
I have a lot of time for Carbs and want him to have a good international career as I think his work ethic deserves it but would rather watch him enjoying his cricket at the Ageas than struggling under the pressure of opening for the test side when I don't think he's quite good enough. A nearly full season for Hants with the odd ODI appearance is the best of both worlds!
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If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.
Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.
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If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.
Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.
Would definetly agree with that although he's not the future based on age he's looked compact and not phased by pace unlike some of the lineup
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I think it's easy to forget that we are judging this team in what is the pinnacle of the sport for most English and Australian players. The most pressure they will face in their careers will be in an ashes series. Carberry and stokes will have a summer of friendlier attacks to feast on in the summer. Lets not judge too quickly.
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If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.
Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.
you also need to hold absolute dolly series changing catches....
don't et me wrong, we all do it sometimes, but that together with his zen Watson like insistence on moderately attractive 40s followed by dismissals that come from nowhere do not a test cricketer of a 33 year old make. He might do something in the next two games to prove that he has the skills but at the moment he is doing nothing to suggest that Nick Compton was treated fairly...
and that from someone who likes Carberry and dislikes Compton!
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That England need to find some English talent.
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What do people think of Carberrys trigger movement?
to me when watching it seems a really big one, I often wonder if he could be bowled around his legs
Is there anyone who has a bigger trigger movement? Maybe Shiv?
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Carberry was just unlucky in the last 2 test with how he got out, i personally think he should be opening for england at least for another year. The only thing i still feel odd is that why have they dropped Compton after his 2 ton in india n nz, he was playing fine for england, maybe not as good as expected but still, he shouldve been in the ashes squad and he should definitely be back in england test squad after what happening with the team right now, dont think Ballance is quite ready for test level yet but he will be in a year or so time.
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If u look at the dismissals of Carberry he was unlucky on at least a couple of times. I think he doesn't look out of place.
Regardless of who you are, you do need a bit of luck now and then.
I think Carberry looks like he can do the job and has been unlucky a couple of times when he could have gone on to a big score. I hope the wheel of fortune turns round for him in the next couple of tests or he might find himself cast aside.
As for his catching. Anybody remember KP when he started in the England side? He shelled everything.
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It has proven he uses a decent bat!
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Is there anyone who has a bigger trigger movement? Maybe Shiv?
Simon Katich, Basharat Hassan and Kim Barnett are the only one who spring to mind.
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I think Carberry would make a decent number 3 and next season use Robson as the other opener. Bell then bats at 4, Root at 5 and Stokes / Keeper at 6/7.
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I think Carberry would make a decent number 3 and next season use Robson as the other opener. Bell then bats at 4, Root at 5 and Stokes / Keeper at 6/7.
Carberry's age will be a factor as he is a stop gap for the next 1-4 of years. I cannot see him getting moved about too much. Would like a big score out of him in the remaining couple of matches.
I am not sure whether they will throw Root back to the top when the Ashes are over and there is slightly less pressure to perform to give him the grounding for it.
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What do people think of Carberrys trigger movement?
to me when watching it seems a really big one, I often wonder if he could be bowled around his legs
Is there anyone who has a bigger trigger movement? Maybe Shiv?
I've watched him a fair bit at Hants and he wasn't out as a direct result of it this season; in fact, he is surprisingly unsusceptible to LBWs generally for someone who likes to play around his front pad. Strong off his pads and particularly his hip too, maybe in part due to the exaggerated trigger.
To clarify, I don't doubt Carberry's ability to manage at Test level but I don't think he is any closer to the finished article at this level than other options which at his age is a problem. If England was in desperate need of a Rogers 'type' then fine but I think their problems lie elsewhere.
Anyway, I gather there's been some social media commotion in response to a Cricinfo Stokes/Sobers 'comparison'!
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Carberry's age will be a factor as he is a stop gap for the next 1-4 of years. I cannot see him getting moved about too much. Would like a big score out of him in the remaining couple of matches.
I am not sure whether they will throw Root back to the top when the Ashes are over and there is slightly less pressure to perform to give him the grounding for it.
1-4 years isn't a bad stop gap, if it was 4 years then why not. Hopefully Carberry will be given a bit of a run, unlike Crompton who may well have proved his worth if given time.
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1-4 years isn't a bad stop gap, if it was 4 years then why not. Hopefully Carberry will be given a bit of a run, unlike Crompton who may well have proved his worth if given time.
It is not, but he is there to do a job until the next youngster is ready. That may be a years time, or longer. He has had some good starts, but just need a to get that big'un to keep his place secure.
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Interesting that some would cast aside Pietersen and keep Carberry who is give or take the same age. That strikes me as pretty close to madness - okay, KP does some seriously strange (No Swearing Please) at times but the fact is he is still the best batsmen we have developed in the past 20 years with Virgil the only one who even gets within shooting distance.
For me, if they still want to be, Cook, Bell and KP should be the core of our batting going forward with the expectation that they have 2,3 and 5 years left respectively. That leaves three slots in the top six which go to Root (probably as a number four or five because we have seen to date that he has fewer tempo issues there), Stokes for the time being and an opener.
Who the opener should be is tough - those who say Compton was hard done to have some credibility in that there have been other players given far more chances by the Team England set up, though I think they ignore how utterly at sea he looked when asked to bat at that level on spicier pitches. Carberry looks just short of the required level which, given his age, means that he has two tests to do something spectacular, failing which I think Robson should be given a relatively undemanding 2014 to bed in.
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Good shout there the give the lad a chance in Carberry is for 2 tests agree about KP and like the Robson idea too bud.
I even think Ballance deserves a go out there
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Think playing Balance could be counter productive at this stage - he needs another year batting up the order for Yorkshire to help acquit him for the top level.
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He dug in very hard.
Proved a bit of application goes a long way, when most of the others looked like they were already hoping to get home.
He, along with broad looked like the only ones interested in exploiting done regularly favorable bowling conditions too.
Not too many poms will walk away from that having furthered their reputation, but he is one of them.
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Stokes has won a lot of plaudits over here, along with Broad (unbelievable I know!), because they have stood up and fought hard when plenty others haven't. The thing that he has shown, is that he is Test quality in both facets of his game. To make a Test hundred and also claim a 5-wicket haul in your debut series is pretty impressive. Although he didn't make a big score, Ballance looked to have a nice technique and is worth putting time into. Despite the abject nature of the series result, Stokes and Ballance might be the silver linings in the dark clouds for English cricket.