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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: beaver5 on December 22, 2013, 12:22:26 PM
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Wondered what people's though were on who will be England's next long term spinner. I'm sure it will be Monty for now, but long term? Borthwick, Kerrigan, Briggs, Tredwell? Personally I've always rated Adil Rashid but his bowling doesn't seem to have kicked on enough although he'd add a lot to the depth in the batting line up. Moeen Ali would make a great no.8 and is a more than able spinner but that's highly unlikely to happen. Who would you go for?
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Johan Botha?
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Johan Botha?
Chuck off
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Chuck off
:D
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Love to see moeen ali get a chance but that wont ever happen.
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The other young lad at Yorkshire - Rafiq? Certainly about to enter a fair transition period over the next 12-18 months with a number on there way out. Fast forward to the next Ashes series and it'll be a fairly different squad
You have to wonder how long the Swann retirement / injuries have been a Issue with the Kerrigan experiment.
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Fattus :D
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As a left armer David Wainwright would be behind Monty, but he is a better fielder and batsman - not such great bowling stats though, and not at a fashionable county.
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If you're going to be putting a spinner at number 8, I'd rather see Borthwick than Ali. SB is a full time spinner who's batting has come on heaps, and has always been seen as a prospect, not to mention he bowls leg spin which gets everybody a little excited!
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Don't think there's a world class spinner in the UK? All steady but not world beaters ...
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Don't think there's a world class spinner in the UK? All steady but not world beaters ...
True, but how often do you see them on wickets offering a bit of help?
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True, but how often do you see them on wickets offering a bit of help?
Never. Because if a spinner takes too many wickets the ECB fine the club...
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I'd prefer to see a spinner picked because of their bowling rather than if they can add a bit of depth at 8.
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Kerrigan, surely he's still swanns understudy. Please pick Kerrigan.....
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Don't think there's a world class spinner in the UK? All steady but not world beaters ...
Fair point but would anyone have said swann was "world class" before he got his run in the team?
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leg spin Adil
Other wise either the Durham lad or the Lancashire lad
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Swann didn't turn world class and cement his place in the england team til he was gone 30. These guys all have a lot more time.
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If you're going to be putting a spinner at number 8, I'd rather see Borthwick than Ali. SB is a full time spinner who's batting has come on heaps, and has always been seen as a prospect, not to mention he bowls leg spin which gets everybody a little excited!
He's no longer a full time spinner. He rarely bowls any more, he's seen as a number 3 batsman who can possibly bowl if none of the 5 seamers make a dent in the opposition. I'd love to have seen Wainwright given a gig but it won't happen now he's at Derbyshire, too unfashionable a county. Rashid is in a similar position, his batting has improved exponentially but his bowling has dropped off. Kerrigan, regardless of his debut, is surely the long-term prospect, although I would like to see Rafiq at Yorks pushed on a bit. Mooen could also do a job, if a number 3/4 was needed in the future who could bowl spin then he would fit in well.
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Being a Worcester lad I'd love to see Moeen given a shot, decent enough spinner and can certainly bat!
I'm pretty sure Kerrigan will end up being the option though, young lad with a good amount of potential - just need to make sure he's developed properly and not overused (Flintoff being a prime example...)
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It exciting though isn't it a new chance for a new person..
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Pick Craddock from Essex. He's in Aus...
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kerrigan as he deserve another chance after that performance in the last test, maybe ali as he can bat and bowls at a part time bowler and root can bowl more overs
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As a left armer David Wainwright would be behind Monty, but he is a better fielder and batsman - not such great bowling stats though, and not at a fashionable county.
and he is a similar type of bowler to Keedy and Kerrigan - the type who sort of walk up and put it there, which tends to be an issue when you get to test match wickets.
Short term, they'll go with Panesar or play seven batsmen with the seventh being Ali - this might allow them to have a look at him in the Sri Lanka tests, where the four seamers will do most of the work.
Longer term, Rafiq is probably the best bet, though I would love to see one of Rashid or Borthwick on their bowling to give us a wrist spin option.
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For me there is only one man for the job..... Nick Saunders
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Swann didn't turn world class and cement his place in the england team til he was gone 30. These guys all have a lot more time.
They might have. England don't.
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They might have. England don't.
We have Monty till they do :D.
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For me there is only one man for the job..... Nick Saunders
He's certainly got the ego and big headedness to fit in the team:P
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He's certainly got the ego and big headedness to fit in the team:P
Lolz.
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I'd like to see rashid have a crack. I saw him in the nets a while back and was impressed, he can also give the ball a good crack.
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As a left armer David Wainwright would be behind Monty, but he is a better fielder and batsman - not such great bowling stats though, and not at a fashionable county.
Be nice if he did, be nice to have someone in the year below me in school in the test team. He's a top lad too!
I always think left arm off spin adds something a little different to the side. Change in angle etc. Seems like we lack quality left arm over.
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kerrigan as he deserve another chance after that performance in the last test, maybe ali as he can bat and bowls at a part time bowler and root can bowl more overs
Me too! Is the MCG big enough a ground for kerrigan to bowl on?
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Me too! Is the MCG big enough a ground for kerrigan to bowl on?
should be big enough hopefully :D
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I still long for the day that English cricket have a Test worthy leg spinner to rip through batting line ups. Doesn't have to be Warney-esque, just somebody good enough!
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Looks like it will be either Borthwick or Tredwell
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Still don't understand why Monty doesn't get another go? Produced a couple of peaches to get rid of Smith and Clarke. Just needs more experience when the batters are really going after him.
I hope England go with hm in the last two games. But I think they are too worried about his batting.
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Are there any promising spinners coming through the grades in South Africa at the moment? :D
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Yes, I'd play him for the last two tests, as it will put to bed the argument either way if he is good enough outside of the sub-continent.
Bugger his batting and fielding, at least he might keep an end tight to rest the seamers.
Agree with some others that he may not be the ongoing choice as a single spinner in the side - we will need more of a wicket taker.
I'd take him to Sri Lanka though.
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Are there any promising spinners coming through the grades in South Africa at the moment? :D
Oh well done! What a ripping yarn. Here is the Malcolm Conn Award for a Wit so Sharp it's a Wonder you didn't Cut Yourself ;)
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Are there any promising spinners coming through the grades in South Africa at the moment? :D
Can't believe people trying to ride on my coat tails.... I used the SA joke on page 1 ;)
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Borthwick and Tredwell called into squad.
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Borthwick and Tredwell called into squad.
Here we go again.... Coat tailsssssss!!!!!!
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I still long for the day that English cricket have a Test worthy leg spinner to rip through batting line ups. Doesn't have to be Warney-esque, just somebody good enough!
Ditto, but vor australia....
Is there even a doubt that monty is next best (if he wasnt the best anyway?)
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Can't believe people trying to ride on my coat tails.... I used the SA joke on page 1 ;)
D'ohh! :(
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Here we go again.... Coat tailsssssss!!!!!!
That was another thread though, old thing. Maybe I need to squeeze some of that crap out of my head :D
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Looks like it will be either Borthwick or Tredwell
:o :D
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Stupid gin for breakfast ...
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Big fan of Borthwick but more as a batsman i would say now, last year Will Smith was getting a bowl ahead of him some of the time and thats saying something!
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england select borthwick n tredwell for remainder of ashes, hopefully test debut for borthwick fourth test!
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If thats the best that England have, then they have big issues.
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If thats the best that England have, then they have big issues.
Tredwell is an international ODI spinner and Borthwick is a young up-and-commer.
It's only to back up Monty for two tests, they'll be good enough for that.
I bet every spin bowler with eyes on playing for England will be getting their kit out of the loft for an early net now.
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I bet every spin bowler with eyes on playing for England will be getting their kit out of the loft for an early net now.
I'm going to dig out the video camera too and youtube myself bowling at 1 stump to get Mr Flower's attention. I might show my collection of kit too so he knows I'm ready for an international call up ;)
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I actually wonder if Borthwick is in with a chance. Panesar, Anderson and, if Broad is injured, Rankin makes for an awfully long tail and, with four seamers, they could afford t have an impact spinner on a wicket which usually rewards perserverance.
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I actually wonder if Borthwick is in with a chance. Panesar, Anderson and, if Broad is injured, Rankin makes for an awfully long tail and, with four seamers, they could afford t have an impact spinner on a wicket which usually rewards perserverance.
Completely agree.
Stokes and Root to offset the risk too.
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If thats the best that England have, then they have big issues.
Only a big issue if they have none! Give the spinners a chance, they're young, so need to get experience from somewhere! I don't know how any spinners from England bowl like (Other than Swann and Panesar) since I rarely get to watch County cricket, but a rough patch is always to be expected. :)
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Borthwick isn't a bad shout at all. He's probably long term whereas Monty is now..
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Borthwick isn't a bad shout at all. He's probably long term whereas Monty is now..
With his disciplinary issues Monty was lucky to get into the tour party 3 months ago, he's now apparently England's first choice spinner, how times change! Not saying he's going to retire any time soon but surely getting a youngster in to build for the future is the best option.
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With his disciplinary issues Monty was lucky to get into the tour party 3 months ago, he's now apparently England's first choice spinner, how times change! Not saying he's going to retire any time soon but surely getting a youngster in to build for the future is the best option.
I recon pissing on a bouncer is a lesser offence than doing so on the oval.......
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Tredwell is surely not someone for the long run..he is good at containing the batsmen so the limited overs version suits him.
Borthwick could be a good option, but from what I have seen he has been focusing more on becoming a better batsman and not really focused on his bowling.
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tredwell's average of 35 in the cc does not excite me at all, i may be a bit baised as a lancs fan but if less than 6 months ago kerrigan was next in line just because of one match that didnt really have any meaning he should surely still be up there?
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I think a Glammy Boy goes by the name of Andrew Salter, is a prospect for the future, especially with Croft mentoring him.
Watch this space on this kid.
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I'm happy for Tredwell to continue in ODIs for now. In the long term, I would very much like to see us using some younger guys and blooding them into international cricket, personally hoping Borthwick.
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Tredders has been a good ODI bowler - keeping it fairly tight. Perhaps that is what England need for a while in Tests as well?
Longer term I still think the England camp like the look of Kerrigan.
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What about T Craddock!? He is a very good leg spinner and can spin it a mile
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I was personally annoyed that Panesar played...
A new face would've been good in the team, and Scott B can bat as well!
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I have on obvious bias, but I'm a fan of this article:
http://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/simon-kerrigan-and-englands-wrong-uns/ (http://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/simon-kerrigan-and-englands-wrong-uns/)
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I think Kerrigan is the way forward too but his technical issues will be a major worry at international level. His ability to bowl six balls on the same spot with that action... You have to grimace.
International players are better when they are a little cocky, arrogant and ignorant. Swann was NOT the 'best' spinner in the world (Top 5) but his self belief was second to none and as a spinner you have to have that - especially when you are getting tanked all over the place.
Kerrigan's biggest issue in that game was temperament. Swann as a youngster was the same - came good later in his career. I think Kerrigan will be the same. Just needs to bowl, bowl and bowl some more.
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Kerrigan will always be just that bit too slow for international cricket I fear.