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Cricket Manufacturers / Brands => Ayrtek Cricket => Topic started by: Ayrtek Cricket on January 09, 2014, 09:28:15 PM
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Whilst helmets will still be tested by using a drop test to ensure forces above a specified threshold dont pass through them to the wearers headform inside if struck by a ball they will also undergo a NEW penetration test as part of the new BS 7928:2013 standard.
Drop Test
Helmet 1 EPS Crown 2 Trial 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c22LK7UEBYc#)
Penetration Test
Trial 1-Ball Penetration (Adult Size) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8sSRhAnUFA#)
This combination of test will ultimately lead to safer helmets being provided to players who choose to wear a helmet when playing cricket. Here at Ayrtek Cricket our research has proven that our range of adidas #adipower helmets excel under both of these test conditions, its time to invest in your safety in a product that has been designed specifically for cricket with the future in mind.
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So has this standard been released and implemented now?
If so any link to anywhere to read up on it?
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It's been published yes mate but rather oddly with the Bsi you have to pay to obtain it, although you prob get the just of it from the info already discussed on the forum over the last few months.
http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030259240 (http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030259240)
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I understand its still not been implemented - is that correct?
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It's implemented once published as far as I'm aware
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Standards can be viewed for free on the computer systems at most public libraries I believe.
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Just to update on this as i have emailed the BSI to clarify and had the below response back....
Hi Tom,
Thanks for your email.
The standard was published at the end of December and the six month supersession period is now in effect (until 30 June 2014). The new version of the standard can now be tested against and head protectors which pass the tests can claim compliance with BS 7928:2013.
Once again, thank you for your input to the standard and all the best for 2014.
Kind regards,
Adam
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So on 30th of June 2014 what happens?
Only complaint gear to be sold?
Or
Only complaint gear to be manufactured, but all non compliant gear in shop can still be sold on?
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I can only speak from our point of view as a company, having meet with our insurance broker yesterday to review our annual insurance policy.
We would find it difficult to obtain public liability insurance if selling a product after the 30th June that doesnt comply to the new standard. Therefore we would only manufacture and sell products that comply to the latest standard meaning we can gain cover in the event that the worst case scenario occurs.
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This might prove an interesting read for those of you that wanted to know a bit more about the new standard test method etc.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ircobi.org%2Fdownloads%2Firc13%2Fpdf_files%2F47.pdf&ei=DJjrUqHcAsWv7Abo44CgBg&usg=AFQjCNGp4r07iDDVxZGBhxVxWJ6tu6KL-w&bvm=bv.60444564,d.ZGU&cad=rjt (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ircobi.org%2Fdownloads%2Firc13%2Fpdf_files%2F47.pdf&ei=DJjrUqHcAsWv7Abo44CgBg&usg=AFQjCNGp4r07iDDVxZGBhxVxWJ6tu6KL-w&bvm=bv.60444564,d.ZGU&cad=rjt)
This was the paper written by the student that took on the role of coming up with the method as his final year project at l'boro.
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http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2014-02-18-advancing-crickets-head-gear/#.UwRjzIkgHCR (http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2014-02-18-advancing-crickets-head-gear/#.UwRjzIkgHCR)
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Tom,
The current ECB Safety Guidance on the Wearing of Cricket Helmets by Young Players references the old 1998 British Standard when advising the guidelines for juniors wearing helmets. Are you aware of any talk of updating these guidelines in light of the the new BS for helmets?
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Yes its on their to do list and they have advised it will be rolled out ASAP advising on the changes or at least that's what they said when we were at the last Bsi meeting and subsequent email comms
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Thanks for the reply, so potentially depending on the wording of the revised guidelines from the ECB, there could be a larger and more immediate impact on junior helmet wearing than the adult market. As clubs would be duty bound to ensure all juniors have a new Bs helmets as per the new guidelines, whereas adults can in effect wear anything.
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Tom - now that the test machines / facilities are finally available at Durham, have the Ayrtek helmets now officially passed and been certified with the new standard?
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Is the new bsi a guidance or law??
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Is the new bsi a guidance or law??
With regards juniors it makes no odds whether it is guidance or law. If the new Ecb guidelines for juniors wearing helmets reference the new BS and doesn't include any caveats, then clubs should be following ECB guidance, if they don't it would leave them open to legal action.
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Sorry might be me but is the new bsi law or not i know it law for the junior to wear lids.
I was a asking a different question.
Is it law for shops to only stock Bsi standard helmets or is it just guidance??
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Sorry might be me but is the new bsi law or not i know it law for the junior to wear lids.
I was a asking a different question.
Is it law for shops to only stock Bsi standard helmets or is it just guidance??
If we were to sell a helmet that did not meet the standard, we wouldn't have a leg to stand on when it came to public liability insurance or if we were sued by the parent of an injured child etc. Same goes for the manufacturers if they produced a helmet that didn't meet the standard.
TomTek will know more.
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What lab is that in Durham?
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Sorry, I meant Loughborough.
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The lab up there isnt one thats BSI certified as far as im aware, they just have the facilities to carry out pre-lim testing to provide an indication of how the helmets will perform under the test conditions.
All manufacturers have access to this if they choose to submit helmets and pay for the testing to be carried out.
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There are details of the BSI lab where helmet testing takes place if you dig through the BSI website. There is also a list of accredited labs that you can get by going to the BSI and asking (I don't think it's on the web) - I'm not sure whether these have cricket helmet testing facilities.
There seems to be a misconception that Loughborough is where the BSI tests take place. This isn't the case. As Tom says, they have facilities that you can pay for to use in order to pre-test your product and provide a level of confidence of your ability to pass the BSI test and carry the BS label.
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I inspect, maintain and insure the gas systems at a testing facility in Kettering. Satra technology.
Last year when I was in for there inspection, they had a skip full off cricket helmets with various scars on them. I didn't recognise them, and they had no badges on though. But as it was early last year would presume they was testing to last years standards.
That place mainly works with shoes/trainers/clothing and have robot legs running on treadmills, and an awesome propane burner where they dress up mannequins, and then light it up to test fire retardness.
Quite interesting to be fair.
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Yes they were able to test to the 1998 standard there as they had the equipment to do so, the whole point in the new test is so that lab such as this can update their equipment to be able to carry out the testing.
Products once tested are disposed of unless you specifically request to have them returned (which I find particularly useful for design analysis so we have always asked for them back).
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So is there a certified test lab available yet to test to the new standards?
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Awaiting official confirmation but I would hope that a few arent far off as with the July deadline we will need to get stuff booked in and signed off.
As mentioned by Tim in another thread pre-lim tests have given us a fair indication of where we stand with the product range in regards to passing the new standard and as we tested above and beyond the required speeds were confident it their abilities to perform as desired.
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Is the new bsi a guidance or law??
you have an answer for this tom pal?
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you have an answer for this tom pal?
It's a standard. If the Mcc or ICC impose a law stating that a helmet meeting the standard must be used, that's different.
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Ultimately its the law, as if you sell a product that does not adhere to BSi standards, you maybe prosecuted by trading standards.
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From what I understand from the conversation so far retailers in the UK will only stock Masuri and Ayrkek/ Adidas helmets (due to the feeling that only these will pass the standard) after the grace period is over. It seems a bit far-fetched to be honest.
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GM, Kookaburra and Gray-Nicolls will all have helmets that conform, so the choice for the customer won't change.
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So which ones will be in trouble?
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Nobody will be in trouble. All are established cricket equipment experts with a wealth of product development experience, and they know what they have to do.
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So its much a do about nothing really. Thanks for the info