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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: arsenal123 on January 15, 2014, 12:03:51 PM
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Currently reading Ed Smith's book, 'On and Off the Field' detailing his 2003 year as a pro.
I couldn't find the thread dedicated to it but Gilchrist mentioned that pro's do not use linseed oil anymore (a decade ago), thought I would just add this section from the book...
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2guws92.jpg)
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I'm guessing that's because they change bats so frequently there's no point?
Maybe some scuff guard & toe protection at most?
Sponsors are on-hand to give them as many bats as they can eat, what's the point in oiling it and trying to preserve it for as long as possible when they're only going to use it for part of a season?
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Funny how some pro's grow very attached to certain bats (e.g. Michael Clarke and his Spartan) but yet will not do much to preserve the bats.
Just a thought :-[
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Funny how some pro's grow very attached to certain bats (e.g. Michael Clarke and his Spartan) but yet will not do much to preserve the bats.
Just a thought :-[
Surely in order to use the same bat for a prolonged period he must've been doing something the keep them together. Clarke used those horrid suff sheets if i remember rightly.
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Linseed oil deadens the ping.
I have not used it in five years.
If you want some moisture, spread some baby oil lightly on the back of your bat.
Scuff sheet on the front is all you need.
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It has not been used by pros (generally) for at least three decades.
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Wow I didn't know oiling a bat has an impact on the ping.
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Linseed oil deadens the ping.
I have not used it in five years.
If you want some moisture, spread some baby oil lightly on the back of your bat.
Scuff sheet on the front is all you need.
Baby oil is for a different kind of wood mate!
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Wow I didn't know oiling a bat has an impact on the ping.
Some say it does.
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I'm guessing that's because they change bats so frequently there's no point?
They don't really. They grow attatched to favourite bats.
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It would be great if we could get Paul Aldred on this thread...
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Wow I didn't know oiling a bat has an impact on the ping.
Interesting, first I have heard of this. All the bat dealers recommend it dont they??
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Is it only on the face that it can affect ping?
And is it any appliance of Linseed Oil or only if over applied causing oil rot?
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Interesting, first I have heard of this. All the bat dealers recommend it dont they??
Because it preserves bats?
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Is it only on the face that it can affect ping?
And is it any appliance of Linseed Oil or only if over applied causing oil rot?
Right - as mentioned elsewhere, unless you massively over oil the bat there will be no impact on bat performance. In my view there is a load of tosh being spouted here
Oil will protect against rot, not cause it. That is what it does!!
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Right - as mentioned elsewhere, unless you massively over oil the bat there will be no impact on bat performance. In my view there is a load of tosh being spouted here
Oil will protect against rot, not cause it. That is what it does!!
Linseed Oil is designed to make the bat HARD and avoid little Johnny's mum returning it to the shop if it breaks.
Oiled bat = hard, but will last years and little Johnny's mum not angry.
Natural bat = pings more but may break.
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Depends a lot on how much you oil it as well.
I have always found that oiling a lot in one go generally makes the willow a bit weird once it dries.
Best way is to oil a tiny little bit - half a spoon on front and edges ...let it dry and then re-oil it again in another small dose. Creates a thin coating .... Even makes bat a bit softer. Knocking in with a mallet is much easier afterwards as well.
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If you don't oil a bat, it will dry out and won't last. The whole point of linseed oil, as Julian Millichamp says, is not to add moisture to the bat, but to keep existing moisture in. Obviously over oiling is no good, in fact there is an old guy at our club who sits his bats in a bin toe down in a mix of linseed oil and kerosene!! Turns nice bats into 3lb+ railway sleepers...
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If you cant afford the cost of a new bat every couple of months....oil your bat. Better still use wax.
Any other suggestion for a normal club player is wrong...unless you can afford to break bats.
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I tend to use oil mixed in with wax on ones I've made or ones I knock in. A very light coat of oil, followed by the oil/wax mix leaves the willow sealed against moisture gain/loss and makes it nice and supple for knocking in
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I tend to use oil mixed in with wax on ones I've made or ones I knock in. A very light coat of oil, followed by the oil/wax mix leaves the willow sealed against moisture gain/loss and makes it nice and supple for knocking in
I just go straight to the wax. On a new bat, a few light coats of wax and polished to a shiny finish. Lightly topped up after every game. Served me fine this process.
You can buy the bat wax on ebay for a few quid.
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Linseed Oil is designed to make the bat HARD and avoid little Johnny's mum returning it to the shop if it breaks.
Oiled bat = hard, but will last years and little Johnny's mum not angry.
Natural bat = pings more but may break.
Why do you seem to try and force rubbish across as fact Vic?
How does oil make a bat hard out of interest?
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Plus you have just got to love the smell of linseed oil... it just isn't cricket if your gear bag doesn't have that weird smell!
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How does oil make a bat hard out of interest?
the answer to this is that Linseed oil is a drying oil, meaning it can polymerize (change state) into a solid form if you put too much on.
but this is required seal the bat. In other words, you need a little but not too much.
with a soft, over dried bat you may be better off with more on than if you have a mass produced uk made bat.
personally I always oil my bats unless I go for a helicopter scuff sheet.
the only time, touch wood, I have had issues is with a cheap ball.
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Why do you seem to try and force rubbish across as fact Vic?
How does oil make a bat hard out of interest?
Which is exactly what Healey said tonight during the ODI when talking about Warner's bat and how he oils it still
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Warner seems to still get a fair amount of ping from his oiled bat.
I always thought that the oil just sealed the bat and keep the moisture content the same (like when you oil your deck). I never thought it effected the cellular structure of the wood.
I am hardly an expert in material engineering though...
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Warner seems to still get a fair amount of ping from his oiled bat.
I always thought that the oil just sealed the bat and keep the moisture content the same (like when you oil your deck). I never thought it effected the cellular structure of the wood.
I am hardly an expert in material engineering though...
There is a video on youtube..cant remember which one...where the bat maker saws a bat in half to show how far the oil penetrates. It is literally a surface coating, about 2mm.
All this talk of the end is complete nonsense and the gullible amongst us will end up paying for this.
Get on the bat wax...its the way forward.
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Which is exactly what Healey said tonight during the ODI when talking about Warner's bat and how he oils it still
is there a link to this clip?
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is there a link to this clip?
Julian Millichamp - Updated maintenance video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_e3AFndzmM#ws)
Fast forward to about 4.15 if you don't want to watch it all.
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is there a link to this clip?
i was referring to the one where Ian Healey talks about David Warner oiling his bat
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They showed a close up of Warner's bat and it may or may not have had a light coating of oil on it.
The only thing certain is that he has no scuff sheet and while grains are straightish, the bat face did have a blemish that would not pass muster on this forum of self appointed "experts".
Healey commented that Warner told him (Healey) that he is still old school and prefers to oil his bats as opposed to all the other players who do not.
That was it.
The bat also looked like a L&W in shape...but maybe I am wrong.
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The bat had a small pin knot about 4-5" from the toe near the inside edge for a left hander, maybe an inch or so from the edge, approx 12 straight grains and looked to be oiled with no scuff sheet which he apparently said to Healey he is old school and prefers to oil his bats unlike other players who just scuff. Healey also mentioned the oil hardens the face a little. That's if I remember correctly of course.
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Surely Warner can't be the only international player who oils their bats!
I guess if you don't have to pay for your bats you are less likely to care about longevity.
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The bat had a small pin knot about 4-5" from the toe near the inside edge for a left hander, maybe an inch or so from the edge, approx 12 straight grains and looked to be oiled with no scuff sheet which he apparently said to Healey he is old school and prefers to oil his bats unlike other players who just scuff. Healey also mentioned the oil hardens the face a little. That's if I remember correctly of course.
Yeah, that is about the cut of it #4.
Did the shape look like an LW to you...or am I just seeing things?
He had heartwood too from memory...
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It was almost half heartwood on the left handers outside edge and all of his bats have looked a little L&W.
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Don't suppose anybody got a screenshot of the bat did they?
interesting to hear it had a pin knot, from what I've been told the area around them on the bat will be harder so not necessarily a bad thing to have on the bat. But I get the impression people would be put off by one.
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The pin knot was curiously lower on the bat and close to the inside edge.
The heart wood was on the outside edge and was quite noticeable.
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This is about the best I can find at the moment
http://youtu.be/QnrS24vzoIE (http://youtu.be/QnrS24vzoIE)
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In terms of shape. Although a little laver esque. It looks very similar to the beast that goerge bailey has. Which is also a gn.
Maybe this is gn aus new style of bat and the pros liking it?
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/A004253C-AFB1-4064-83AA-694DE269153E_zps75jkfrdl.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/A004253C-AFB1-4064-83AA-694DE269153E_zps75jkfrdl.jpg.html)
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Warner does state that Kranzbuhler makes his bats
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Couldn't see the pin knot on the video :(, the bat goes lovely though!
Agree with Vic on the Laver shape, doesn't look like a Laver toe though. Will see if I can find a photo form his half century when he held his bat up.
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(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/177000/177093.jpg)
Maybe it is a Laver Toe, different bat to the one he used to the first ODI.
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This is a side on view.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/image/711203.html?object=219889 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/image/711203.html?object=219889)
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Same pic,
It's a gray nics to me. Custom made for the pros. Baileys smaller bats are the same shape. I've seen a few more that shape in the big bash for gn players too.
Hopefully they'll release it toot he public(baileys stickers have changed to matrix? So could be this shape)
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He obviously must choose the heartwood bats. Can anyone think of another international player who choose heartwood bats?
As an aside.. the commentator on that video mentions Warner's "Half cut, half drive"... do you think we could shorten that to a "hive"?
Also one should drive when half cut... watch out guys is comedy hour here on CBF
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Cook has heartwood bats.
Micheal lumb has a heartwood bat.
There ones I've noticed without actually looking, I'm not sure the pro players are as fussed about heartwood(it Definately goes)than the forum experts are, which is mildly amusing,
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Don't suppose anybody got a screenshot of the bat did they?
interesting to hear it had a pin knot, from what I've been told the area around them on the bat will be harder so not necessarily a bad thing to have on the bat. But I get the impression people would be put off by one.
My potential bat for next year ..... Can't sell it for a reasonable price as people are put off by the knots
https://twitter.com/pythoncricket/status/398579331263660032
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Cook has heartwood bats.
Micheal lumb has a heartwood bat.
There ones I've noticed without actually looking, I'm not sure the pro players are as fussed about heartwood(it Definately goes)than the forum experts are, which is mildly amusing,
Seen KP with heartwood on a few occasions
I had jayasuriyas bat and that had heartwood
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Has anyone else noticed how tiny Warner's gloves look?