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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: Number4 on January 19, 2014, 01:19:10 AM
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In the UK what are the rules regarding the results at the end of the match, If there is a discrepancy does the official result go of the batting total or the bowling total?
In the competition I playing here in Aus it goes on the batting total.
Reason I ask is after needing 2 runs off the last ball to win, which our opposition successfully got, we came off to sign off the scorebook (as captain this is my responsibility) and checking the scores we scored 175 (our batting total) and they only had 159 (their batting total) The bowling for our innings added up correctly but they had the bowling for their inning adding up to 176. A massive difference between scores.
Opinions?
P.S We score for our innings and they score for theirs.
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if you don't provide a qualified scorer thisis often the result - the biggest discrepancy I've ever seen was 54!
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This is exactly why players doing the scoring is a bad idea, luckily all my sat and sun games have scores so you never have the issue. Some players do know how to score properly but the majority don't, don't concentrate, don't care and obviously the book could change hands a few times during the innings due to wickets.
As far as which was it goes off... No idea sorry.. With that big a difference you'll just get disagreements
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Did you guys get the win then?
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In our midweek league, you supply a scorer. If you don't, you field with 10men and a fielder scores.
In our sat league, it's not a required thing, we have a full time scorer that is paid 15 a game. What got annoying was when the opposition didn't have a scorer, they wouldn't even score during there innings. Just leave our scorer to do the lot.
Thankfully our league have bought in a new rule. If you don't supply a scorer, you still have to pay the opposition scorer a tenner for doing the job.
Boom, I bet the teams who didn't have a scorer last year will have one this.
As for discrepencies, both leagues say this. "The end result is the correct result, regardless of score book mistakes." Constant scorebook mistakes can be punished by fines and points deductions.
Basically, if the scoreboard says you need 2 to win, you knock 2. Shake hands, pack up, and the scores say. "We got it wrong your two short" you are gonna re set up, and you aren't going to say to the oppo "oh you win".
You follow the scoreboard, and it decides the game. Hence why it's important both teams supply an actual scorer.
Just to add we have 3 sat teams, all have a paid scorer, we have 2 midweek teams, both have a paid scorer. Our Sunday side, has people fighting over who gets to score.
We other £15 for a full days scoring, £10 for midweek scoring. We pay to send those interested on a scoring course. We pick them up and take them home for every game.
Look after them and they'll want to score.
Don't offer them anything to do the job, and you'll struggle for one.
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In our midweek league, you supply a scorer. If you don't, you field with 10men and a fielder scores.
In our sat league, it's not a required thing, we have a full time scorer that is paid 15 a game. What got annoying was when the opposition didn't have a scorer, they wouldn't even score during there innings. Just leave our scorer to do the lot.
Thankfully our league have bought in a new rule. If you don't supply a scorer, you still have to pay the opposition scorer a tenner for doing the job.
Boom, I bet the teams who didn't have a scorer last year will have one this.
As for discrepencies, both leagues say this. "The end result is the correct result, regardless of score book mistakes." Constant scorebook mistakes can be punished by fines and points deductions.
Basically, if the scoreboard says you need 2 to win, you knock 2. Shake hands, pack up, and the scores say. "We got it wrong your two short" you are gonna re set up, and you aren't going to say to the oppo "oh you win".
You follow the scoreboard, and it decides the game. Hence why it's important both teams supply an actual scorer.
Just to add we have 3 sat teams, all have a paid scorer, we have 2 midweek teams, both have a paid scorer. Our Sunday side, has people fighting over who gets to score.
We other £15 for a full days scoring, £10 for midweek scoring. We pay to send those interested on a scoring course. We pick them up and take them home for every game.
Look after them and they'll want to score.
Don't offer them anything to do the job, and you'll struggle for one.
Scorers are massively under rated in terms of the game, which is a shame as they make it far more enjoyable for the players/umpires.. Plus, it's more people in the game! I like the idea that oppos who are lazy (and it is lazy!) still have to pay a scorer, means at least they get stung for it a bit.. Maybe the boards should start league by league rolling out enforcement and fines for not providing a QUALIFIED scorer?
I know my club is lucky as we have a couple of top scores (one does county/England lions games) and most players can also score better than most 'scorers' as we as a club keep and use all the stats so you need to record it all and properly. Forcing clubs to each have a scorer, home club uses TCS and away a scorebook (really just as backup to TCS).. That was the scorecard can be loaded to play cricket during the game, it's deadly accurate and you get all the stats any club could want.. Job done
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I play in the same competition as Number 4. Our grounds do not have score boards and in 95% of our games the batting team will score both books as well as umpire both ends. That's just the way it is. Every now and then we will get one official umpire and the 2 teams share the cost of paying him. Having said that I'm still amazed how 2 people sitting next to each other can sometimes have completely different things in the book. As mentioned before you can put that down to people not really knowing what they are doing, lack of concentration (gotta get that cold beer out of the esky between balls) and the score books changing hands frequently. All good fun though.
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Did you guys get the win then?
They are disputing it but by the rules we take the win
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All good fun though.
Not really, it's annoying having messy, cooked up scorebooks that have little or no data in them. Plus, you get regular instances of irregularity that way.
The game should put more effort into umpire recruitment (retaining old players to umpire) and challenge clubs to provide proper scorers (it's really not hard, pack of coloured pens and keep,score.. Earn 15-20 quid for the day, free teas and maybe a beer.)
Job done.
Certainly better for cricket that money goes on umpires and scorers than overseas or home based paid players tbh. One robs the game and one enhances it
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You sure do.
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Not really, it's annoying having messy, cooked up scorebooks that have little or no data in them. Plus, you get regular instances of irregularity that way.
The game should put more effort into umpire recruitment (retaining old players to umpire) and challenge clubs to provide proper scorers (it's really not hard, pack of coloured pens and keep,score.. Earn 15-20 quid for the day, free teas and maybe a beer.)
Job done.
Certainly better for cricket that money goes on umpires and scorers than overseas or home based paid players tbh. One robs the game and one enhances it
Mate we are basically a pub comp, no overseas or home based paid players here.
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Mate we are basically a pub comp, no overseas or home based paid players here.
Wives, sons/daughters or GF's make good scorers ! Few free wines/cokes usually does the trick
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I want to play in your team if you get some women along :D
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You should visit us next season wooly... Could do with a handy allrounder ;)
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I want to play in your team if you get some women along :D
Loads of teams get other halfs along for most home games when it's actually warm. Club gives the a free wine in the middle of each innings and bang.. You get more coming along for the matter and so spend more and kids then get dragged along.. Stsrt the BBQ and bang.. Kids want food.. £££ for the club and a supply of scorers! :)
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Our 1st team scorer is female. She was an ex junior player, that switched to scoring when she discovered whites would ruin her make up, hair and style. Lol
We have a good bar, and decent BBQ set up, plus 7junior sides, off which they are well integrated into all forms of cricket.
So every game there are wags, milfs, sisters, daughters galore........
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Our's are at the beach when it's warm or home in the air con.
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You should visit us next season wooly... Could do with a handy allrounder ;)
Ha thanks mate. I only bowl out of necessity. The 7 over max rule has been a blessing for us old blokes.
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Our's are at the beach when it's warm or home in the air con.
Beach.. Sandy, dirty,full of idiots
Cricket - nice sunbathing area, free wine, natter...
Hum.. I'd say number 2 should win out unless they are 'surfer dudets'. Not losing the sun and gaining free drink..
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Ha thanks mate. I only bowl out of necessity. The 7 over max rule has been a blessing for us old blokes.
We have an old boys team that could accommodate that haha
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Back to the topic, sorry...
It should go on the scoreboard and this is usually the batting score as that is the one that gets checked more often, the bowling only gets checked at the end in my experience.
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Back to the topic, sorry...
It should go on the scoreboard and this is usually the batting score as that is the one that gets checked more often, the bowling only gets checked at the end in my experience.
As said above there is no scoreboard
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How do you play cricket with no scoreboard? Thankfully our league dictates every game and ground should have one.
And don't mention money, for £50 quid, for some wood, hooks and paint you can make a simple one easily.
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Our competition rule says "if a discrepancy is evident at the end of an innings the batting total shall be regarded as being correct and the bowling analysis adjusted accordingly". So there you go Number 4, your opposition can dispute the result all they like but will get nowhere if the batting didn't add up to the required score.
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How do you play cricket with no scoreboard? Thankfully our league dictates every game and ground should have one.
And don't mention money, for £50 quid, for some wood, hooks and paint you can make a simple one easily.
Well we use a bat, some stumps, a red hard thing called a ball, a pitch and 22 players
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Well we use a bat, some stumps, a red hard thing called a ball, a pitch and 22 players
Still doesn't explain why no scoreboard?
What do you do, all shout like idiots for the score?
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Even without a scoreboard any captain worth his salt knows the status of the game and information fed to the boundary riders by the twelfth man helps as well. We don't need to pretend we are about to crack it into the national team just because we have a scoreboard.. Certainly not a necessity to play a game of cricket.
Guess what? We don't do tea's either... I just don't know how on earth we get through a whole game of cricket with no scoreboard AND no tea's
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Even without a scoreboard any captain worth his salt knows the status of the game and information fed to the boundary riders by the twelfth man helps as well. We don't need to pretend we are about to crack it into the national team just because we have a scoreboard.. Certainly not a necessity to play a game of cricket.
Guess what? We don't do tea's either... I just don't know how on earth we get through a whole game of cricket with no scoreboard AND no tea's
Teas I can understand.. Tbh, they should be at the end or not at all and sack off the mid game break. Scoreboard though is pretty important.. Twelfth man running around but no scoreboard?? Very odd
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Yeah but it helps with the original problem.
Goodluck, hope you are awarded this win. Whether it be buy a few runs, or 50 odd.
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When I was injured last season I took the responsibility of scoring for our 2nd team. (The 1st team have a "professional scorer" and the other 5 teams struggle between themselves).
As I was taught to score almost as early as I started playing I was shocked when the other team genuinely were clueless in some games.
As well as doing a full coloured pen job in our book, I was virtually filling theirs in too.
I've also ended up scoring the other teams book while my team were batting as they didn't even provide a scorer!
As the 2nds were promoted the league states a scorer and umpire must be provided so this hopefully won't happen again.
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Teas I can understand.. Tbh, they should be at the end or not at all and sack off the mid game break. Scoreboard though is pretty important.. Twelfth man running around but no scoreboard?? Very odd
We have a drinks break mid game due to the heat we play in out here which also helps with the status of the game... Anywhere from 35 to mid 40's and high humidity. It's quite easy to become very dehydrated.
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Do you play parks cricket or is it your ground no.4?
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All grounds here are council owned grounds if that's what you mean.
And during the winter all grounds are multipurposed i.e Soccer, league, AFL
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All grounds here are council owned grounds if that's what you mean
Well, that may mean different in uk to you in aus.
In uk a council owned ground can be rented to you on a long term agreement, You'd theb in charge as if you owned it. You get to choose when and who plays on it, build your club house, add nets ect and the council just come and cut the grass/pitch ready for games.
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There's the council pitches that are 2or 3 in a park. A porta cabin to change in, and it's no ones ground, hired on a season by season basis or game buy game for friendlies and such.
No scoreboard at these, team has to bring there own portable one to adhere to league rules.
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All clubs here have to supply their own ground staff/curators. There is a grounds committee who made any decision on any ground changes/upgrades
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See, different countries do different things,
We used to rent ours. But two years ago we took over the lease, so now are in charge off everything, it means are ground is too a higher standard, but it takes a lot of work and effort to get there and maintain it.
As for scoreboard, we had a old windy thing,t hat was ripped, and faded, and hard to see from the middle. So we raised funds. A few raffles at dinner, and a bucket at the bar to put change in.
Two years later I bought us this.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/IMG_0981_zpse8e06032.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/IMG_0981_zpse8e06032.jpg.html)
It's amazing what abit of fund raising can do.
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We also have 6 teams and only 2 grounds so 2 teams have to share grounds with other teams.
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Scoreboards aren't a necessity. I've played at many grounds without them.
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See, different countries do different things,
We used to rent ours. But two years ago we took over the lease, so now are in charge off everything, it means are ground is too a higher standard, but it takes a lot of work and effort to get there and maintain it.
As for scoreboard, we had a old windy thing,t hat was ripped, and faded, and hard to see from the middle. So we raised funds. A few raffles at dinner, and a bucket at the bar to put change in.
Two years later I bought us this.
([url]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/IMG_0981_zpse8e06032.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/IMG_0981_zpse8e06032.jpg.html[/url])
It's amazing what abit of fund raising can do.
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Scoreboards aren't a necessity. I've played at many grounds without them.
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but, like sightscreens, they're pretty damn close!
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and once you get used to them there is no going back!
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gets a bit annoying shouting for updates between overs!
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and you at least know when you are in the nineties...
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unless thats your bowling analysis!
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the ironic applause as you bring up the sidecar... something that needs to be appreciated in the flesh!
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but, like sightscreens, they're pretty damn close!
We don't have sight screens either. Nothing like trying to pick up a quick bowler when the ball is coming out of a tree or a red roof behind his arm. We get by without these luxuries you guys have.
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We don't have sight screens either. Nothing like trying to pick up a quick bowler when the ball is coming out of a tree or a red roof behind his arm. We get by without these luxuries you guys have.
And we won the ashes ;) :D
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Scoreboards aren't a necessity. I've played at many grounds without them.
I've played at many grounds without permanent scoreboards (like the Hollinsend one in the picture), but I can honestly say I've never played a game of cricket where there hasn't been a scoreboard of some description used during the match. A portable one, some numbers hung on nails on a wall, even a blackboard with the numbers chalked on - but always something.
It seems really odd to me that you can play cricket without any kind of scoreboard at all.
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Massive bug bear for me.
I learn't how to score and umpire at a young age - as a youngster playing mens cricket in the 70's and 80's you had too. Even today I can't understand "cricketers" who can't score and can't / won't have a turn at umpiring especially at the lower standards when they are not provided.
You have to watch and follow the game rather than just look at it and I've found you can learn so much about your own team / opposition from being in the centre of the action.
Don't get me started about keeping the scoreboard upto date between overs and your team mates giving the opposition bowlers a massive incentive at grounds with less detailed score boards by shouting "Geoff, you only need 3 for your 50 / 100 etc"
Rant over >:(
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your team mates giving the opposition bowlers a massive incentive at grounds with less detailed score boards by shouting "Geoff, you only need 3 for your 50 / 100 etc"
This this and this!!
Shootable offence.