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« on: January 19, 2014, 01:19:10 AM »

In the UK what are the rules regarding the results at the end of the match, If there is a discrepancy does the official result go of the batting total or the bowling total?

In the competition I playing here in Aus it goes on the batting total.

Reason I ask is after needing 2 runs off the last ball to win, which our opposition successfully got, we came off to sign off the scorebook (as captain this is my responsibility) and checking the scores we scored 175 (our batting total) and they only had 159 (their batting total) The bowling for our innings added up correctly but they had the bowling for their inning adding up to 176. A massive difference between scores.

Opinions?

P.S We score for our innings and they score for theirs.
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Re: Scoring
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2014, 08:41:21 AM »

if you don't provide a qualified scorer thisis often the result - the biggest discrepancy I've ever seen was 54!
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2014, 09:19:02 AM »

This is exactly why players doing the scoring is a bad idea, luckily all my sat and sun games have scores so you never have the issue. Some players do know how to score properly but the majority don't, don't concentrate, don't care and obviously the book could change hands a few times during the innings due to wickets.

As far as which was it goes off... No idea sorry.. With that big a difference you'll just get disagreements
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Re: Scoring
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2014, 09:19:33 AM »

Did you guys get the win then?
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2014, 09:47:10 AM »

In our midweek league, you supply a scorer. If you don't, you field with 10men and a fielder scores.


In our sat league, it's not a required thing, we have a full time scorer that is paid 15 a game. What got annoying was when the opposition didn't have a scorer, they wouldn't even score during there innings. Just leave our scorer to do the lot.

Thankfully our league have bought in a new rule. If you don't supply a scorer, you still have to pay the opposition scorer a tenner for doing the job.
Boom, I bet the teams who didn't have a scorer last year will have one this.




As for discrepencies, both leagues say this. "The end result is the correct result, regardless of score book mistakes." Constant scorebook mistakes can be punished by fines and points deductions.


Basically, if the scoreboard says you need 2 to win, you knock 2. Shake hands, pack up, and the scores say. "We got it wrong your two short" you are gonna re set up, and you aren't going to say to the oppo "oh you win".
You follow the scoreboard, and it decides the game. Hence why it's important both teams supply an actual scorer.



Just to add we have 3 sat teams, all have a paid scorer, we have 2 midweek teams, both have a paid scorer. Our Sunday side, has people fighting over who gets to score.
We other £15 for a full days scoring, £10 for midweek scoring. We pay to send those interested on a scoring course. We pick them up and take them home for every game.
Look after them and they'll want to score.

Don't offer them anything to do the job, and you'll struggle for one.
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Re: Scoring
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 10:06:51 AM »

In our midweek league, you supply a scorer. If you don't, you field with 10men and a fielder scores.


In our sat league, it's not a required thing, we have a full time scorer that is paid 15 a game. What got annoying was when the opposition didn't have a scorer, they wouldn't even score during there innings. Just leave our scorer to do the lot.

Thankfully our league have bought in a new rule. If you don't supply a scorer, you still have to pay the opposition scorer a tenner for doing the job.
Boom, I bet the teams who didn't have a scorer last year will have one this.




As for discrepencies, both leagues say this. "The end result is the correct result, regardless of score book mistakes." Constant scorebook mistakes can be punished by fines and points deductions.


Basically, if the scoreboard says you need 2 to win, you knock 2. Shake hands, pack up, and the scores say. "We got it wrong your two short" you are gonna re set up, and you aren't going to say to the oppo "oh you win".
You follow the scoreboard, and it decides the game. Hence why it's important both teams supply an actual scorer.



Just to add we have 3 sat teams, all have a paid scorer, we have 2 midweek teams, both have a paid scorer. Our Sunday side, has people fighting over who gets to score.
We other £15 for a full days scoring, £10 for midweek scoring. We pay to send those interested on a scoring course. We pick them up and take them home for every game.
Look after them and they'll want to score.

Don't offer them anything to do the job, and you'll struggle for one.

Scorers are massively under rated in terms of the game, which is a shame as they make it far more enjoyable for the players/umpires.. Plus, it's more people in the game!  I like the idea that oppos who are lazy (and it is lazy!) still have to pay a scorer, means at least they get stung for it a bit.. Maybe the boards should start league by league rolling out enforcement and fines for not providing a QUALIFIED scorer?

I know my club is lucky as we have a couple of top scores (one does county/England lions games) and most players can also score better than most 'scorers' as we as a club keep and use all the stats so you need to record it all and properly. Forcing clubs to each have a scorer, home club uses TCS and away a scorebook (really just as backup to TCS).. That was the scorecard can be loaded to play cricket during the game, it's deadly accurate and you get all the stats any club could want.. Job done
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 10:08:31 AM »

I play in the same competition as Number 4.  Our grounds do not have score boards and in 95% of our games the batting team will score both books as well as umpire both ends.  That's just the way it is.  Every now and then we will get one official umpire and the 2 teams share the cost of paying him.  Having said that I'm still amazed how 2 people sitting next to each other can sometimes have completely different things in the book.  As mentioned before you can put that down to people not really knowing what they are doing, lack of concentration (gotta get that cold beer out of the esky between balls) and the score books changing hands frequently.  All good fun though.
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Re: Scoring
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 10:11:14 AM »

Did you guys get the win then?

They are disputing it but by the rules we take the win
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2014, 10:14:15 AM »

All good fun though.

Not really, it's annoying having messy, cooked up scorebooks that have little or no data in them. Plus, you get regular instances of irregularity that way.
The game should put more effort into umpire recruitment (retaining old players to umpire) and challenge clubs to provide proper scorers (it's really not hard, pack of coloured pens and keep,score.. Earn 15-20 quid for the day, free teas and maybe a beer.)

Job done.

Certainly better for cricket that money goes on umpires and scorers than overseas or home based paid players tbh. One robs the game and one enhances it
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 10:14:42 AM »

You sure do.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2014, 10:16:25 AM »

Not really, it's annoying having messy, cooked up scorebooks that have little or no data in them. Plus, you get regular instances of irregularity that way.
The game should put more effort into umpire recruitment (retaining old players to umpire) and challenge clubs to provide proper scorers (it's really not hard, pack of coloured pens and keep,score.. Earn 15-20 quid for the day, free teas and maybe a beer.)

Job done.

Certainly better for cricket that money goes on umpires and scorers than overseas or home based paid players tbh. One robs the game and one enhances it

Mate we are basically a pub comp, no overseas or home based paid players here.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2014, 10:17:33 AM »

Mate we are basically a pub comp, no overseas or home based paid players here.

Wives, sons/daughters or GF's make good scorers ! Few free wines/cokes usually does the trick
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2014, 10:21:18 AM »

I want to play in your team if you get some women along :D
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2014, 10:23:35 AM »

You should visit us next season wooly... Could do with a handy allrounder ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2014, 10:24:18 AM »

I want to play in your team if you get some women along :D

Loads of teams get other halfs along for most home games when it's actually warm. Club gives the a free wine in the middle of each innings and bang.. You get more coming along for the matter and so spend more and kids then get dragged along.. Stsrt the BBQ and bang.. Kids want food.. £££ for the club and a supply of scorers! :)
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