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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Montys Beard on January 26, 2014, 11:12:53 AM
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Was unlucky enough to have sat through a whole days cricket to watch that ending, however I also keep BBC live text on and saw something Dirk Nannes had said about Ravi Bopara...
"Every time we've said in this series about Ravi, 'how on earth has he got out there?' there's no excuse for ever lifting your foot in that situation. That's a village cricket error. If England lose this game Ravi Bopara should be hung, drawn and quartered."
Fair?
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I struggle to see how Bopara keeps his position in the one day team.
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Definately wasn't out in my opinion. The bails bounced and came back down while his foot was up but weren't dislodged til his foot was down.
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England's ODI player of 2013 which is why he is in the team.
If you are looking for reasons why we lost, how about Morgan hitting to mid off and Root scooping to fine leg when there was no need to play big shots with the equation comfortably less than a run a ball
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England's ODI player of 2013 which is why he is in the team.
If you are looking for reasons why we lost, how about Morgan hitting to mid off and Root scooping to fine leg when there was no need to play big shots with the equation comfortably less than a run a ball
A case of "oo it's the power play, better go big!" When the game situation says there is no need.
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Definately wasn't out in my opinion. The bails bounced and came back down while his foot was up but weren't dislodged til his foot was down.
From the behind Wade camera angle you can clearly see the bail in the air and his foot off the ground... Out!!!
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England's ODI player of 2013 which is why he is in the team.
If you are looking for reasons why we lost, how about Morgan hitting to mid off and Root scooping to fine leg when there was no need to play big shots with the equation comfortably less than a run a ball
Root should be hung by his balls for that terrible shot choice
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From the behind Wade camera angle you can clearly see the bail in the air and his foot off the ground... Out!!!
But you can see from the front angle that it drops back down then bounces out.
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I'm sorry but the decision was made by umpire Dharmasena of Sri Lanka.
Look back. This is NOT the first time the guy has made a 'guess' on a third umpire wicket and been proved to get it wrong.
It is about time they have two umpires in on third umpire duty and have to come to a unanimous decision. It is unforgivable to allow people to get away with these decisions with the power of technology. In Rugby, they are given clear instruction by refs. They either say "Is there any reason WHY I cannot award the try" (If they are sure a try has been scored) OR "Is there any evidence a try has been scored" (If they are unsure).
I'm sorry - but it was very unfortunate for Ravi that this was allowed to happen.
PS. You could see one side of the bail was in the air, the other side was shielded by Wade. From the front angle the bail was clearly down. TBH we are proving he is not out. If it is not clear to all of us, how is it suddenly 100% clear to an umpire?!
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Absolutely unfair to blame Bopara...he did the sensible thing to stick around till the end only to be undone by a controversial decision. Root should be hanged for that brain less shot..no reason why he had to play the ramp shot then after getting to 50+.. Ravi is an asset with his bowling and batting...i think he is wasted low down the order with Stokes promoted up the order ( another brainless decision imo)
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I have lost count of the number of times Ravi has got England into a winnable position and then bottled it. I think he is supremely talented but it's time to move on.
Nothing between his ears.
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But you can see from the front angle that it drops back down then bounces out.
The bail was dislodged when his foot was in the air... Yes it bounced back and then fell off... Which still means it was dislodged and therefore out.. Correct decision
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I'm sorry but the decision was made by umpire Dharmasena of Sri Lanka.
Look back. This is NOT the first time the guy has made a 'guess' on a third umpire wicket and been proved to get it wrong.
It is about time they have two umpires in on third umpire duty and have to come to a unanimous decision. It is unforgivable to allow people to get away with these decisions with the power of technology. In Rugby, they are given clear instruction by refs. They either say "Is there any reason WHY I cannot award the try" (If they are sure a try has been scored) OR "Is there any evidence a try has been scored" (If they are unsure).
I'm sorry - but it was very unfortunate for Ravi that this was allowed to happen.
PS. You could see one side of the bail was in the air, the other side was shielded by Wade. From the front angle the bail was clearly down. TBH we are proving he is not out. If it is not clear to all of us, how is it suddenly 100% clear to an umpire?!
As Healey stated only one side of the bail needs to be in the air to be classed as dislodged
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I'm sorry but the decision was made by umpire Dharmasena of Sri Lanka.
Look back. This is NOT the first time the guy has made a 'guess' on a third umpire wicket and been proved to get it wrong.
It is about time they have two umpires in on third umpire duty and have to come to a unanimous decision. It is unforgivable to allow people to get away with these decisions with the power of technology. In Rugby, they are given clear instruction by refs. They either say "Is there any reason WHY I cannot award the try" (If they are sure a try has been scored) OR "Is there any evidence a try has been scored" (If they are unsure).
I'm sorry - but it was very unfortunate for Ravi that this was allowed to happen.
PS. You could see one side of the bail was in the air, the other side was shielded by Wade. From the front angle the bail was clearly down. TBH we are proving he is not out. If it is not clear to all of us, how is it suddenly 100% clear to an umpire?!
George dobell called it right when he called Dharmesena a hatstand
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The bail was dislodged when his foot was in the air... Yes it bounced back and then fell off... Which still means it was dislodged and therefore out.. Correct decision
It wasn't 'permanently' dislodged though until it bounced back off the stumps the second time which is what the laws state they must be.
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It wasn't 'permanently' dislodged though until it bounced back off the stumps the second time which is what the laws state they must be.
I'd call laying on the ground permanently dislodged :D
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I'd call laying on the ground permanently dislodged :D
Ill say my take on events :
1) Ball hits the top of the bails, they hold still for a second then bounce up in the air. Bopara's foot is lifted at this moment.
2) The bails drop back down into position meaning they were only temporarily dislodged (disturbed).
3) Bopara's foot lowers back onto the ground.
4) The bails bounce back out of the stumps after the impact and then fall to the ground. Here they are permanently dislodged.
(b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.
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Ill say my take on events :
1) Ball hits the top of the bails, they hold still for a second then bounce up in the air. Bopara's foot is lifted at this moment.
2) The bails drop back down into position meaning they were only temporarily dislodged (disturbed).
3) Bopara's foot lowers back onto the ground.
4) The bails bounce back out of the stumps after the impact and then fall to the ground. Here they are permanently dislodged.
I think we will be agreeing to disagree on this one.
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I think we will be agreeing to disagree on this one.
I've only stated the laws of the game against the events mate :D.
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/aaizoo/Mobile%20Uploads/bopara_zpsyijtjyn0.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/aaizoo/media/Mobile%20Uploads/bopara_zpsyijtjyn0.jpg.html)
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I've only stated the laws of the game against the events mate :D.
At what point are the bails classed as dislodged? If it was a run out and not a "stumping" would it have been given out by the laws of the game? I say yes
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Number 4. Do you watch the big bash?
Recent game, dilshan throws at stumps, bail jumps and lights. But then lands back on stumps and player given not out.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/706191.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/706191.html)
On your interpretation of the rules he should have been out? Why wasn't he?
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Ive had this in a game Ian Gould umpired in.
I bowled a ball that knicked the outside of off and the bail jumped on one side and dropped back into the grooves and was called not out.
Like football, the whole ball/bail has to cross the line/be dislodged.
Simple.
Much more simple than trying to have a conversation about the laws of cricket with an Aussie... :D
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Number 4. Do you watch the big bash?
Recent game, dilshan throws at stumps, bail jumps and lights. But then lands back on stumps and player given not out.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/706191.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/706191.html[/url])
On your interpretation of the rules he should have been out? Why wasn't he?
Did the bail fall to the ground or stay on the stumps?
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Ive had this in a game Ian Gould umpired in.
I bowled a ball that knicked the outside of off and the bail jumped on one side and dropped back into the grooves and was called not out.
Like football, the whole ball/bail has to cross the line/be dislodged.
Simple.
Much more simple than trying to have a conversation about the laws of cricket with an Aussie... :D
Again did the bail fall or remain on the stumps?.. Fool
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Did the bail fall to the ground or stay on the stumps?
They stayed on the stumps which is exactly what happened in this game. By the time they were permanently off the stumps the second time around Bopara's foot was back down.
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I'll re refer you to a rule Sam has already quoted.
b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal
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From the side on view the bail lifts moves forward past the groove, rubs the front of the stump and falls... Where does it fall back into the groove?... Check the vid on the CA site...
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http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest (http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest)
Watch it and weep boys
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[url]http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest[/url] ([url]http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest[/url])
Watch it and weep boys
Anywhere got it at better quality? Can hardly make out the bails on that compared to watching it on TV. I personally thought the camera angle from the back showed it most clearly I think it was. Could also add in the argument that there was no appeal as far as I saw but sky didn't bother showing the whole ball in a replay just the wickets so I'm not 100% sure but I didn't hear anything.
Edit : Even from that camera angle after straining my eyes a bit I'd still claim he's got his foot down in a frame at 22 seconds before the bails roll off. I think the bounce is hardly noticeable at that distance but was more clear in different angles as it was definitely there.
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http://bcove.me/bv3oyqvl (http://bcove.me/bv3oyqvl)
Go 21 seconds in and freeze it. Bail is already off and foot still just in the air. Pretty clear from where I am...
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[url]http://bcove.me/bv3oyqvl[/url] ([url]http://bcove.me/bv3oyqvl[/url])
Go 21 seconds in and freeze it. Bail is already off and foot still just in the air. Pretty clear from where I am...
Thats the very small jump of the bails mate that we were discussing earlier. Do the replays perhaps have the different angles in slow mo somewhere as I felt it was more pronounced.
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The video shows it clear as crystal not sure what else you want to see there. As I said before out. It was certainly an unlucky out but clearly out all the same
Root should have his butt kicked though for his poor dismissal.
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The video shows it clear as crystal not sure what else you want to see there. As I said before out. It was certainly an unlucky out but clearly out all the same
Root should have his butt kicked though for his poor dismissal.
I believe there are much better camera angles and quality then that mate. Lets wait til they get uploaded :D.
Just onto the appeal subject now :D.
http://www.cricket.com.au/video/highlights (http://www.cricket.com.au/video/highlights)
3:25 I didn't hear any appeal directed at the umpire? Anyone else?
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Not sure what you mean about quality it's like HD watching on my iPad. Better angle? That covers the bail a bit maybe to make it look more questionable?
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As for the appeal you would need to see the whole field to see if any of the fielders appealed
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Not sure what you mean about quality it's like HD watching on my iPad. Better angle? That covers the bail a bit maybe to make it look more questionable?
I mean one that looks a bit closer than what seems to be a viewing distance between the square leg umpire and a guy in the crowd :D. The coverage had some really good ones from a slightly angled front on view that zoomed right in.
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It is at a stage where he is playing as a bowling all rounder an an finisher but rarely finishes the job time to move on start building for WC I think Luke wright should get another chance. Time to move cook on go with Morgan a more dynamic captain, let hales have a crack at opening
Side for WC
Bell
Hales
Wright*
Morgan (C)
M Ali*
Buttler (Wk)
Stokes*
Broad
Jordan
Overton
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A spinner but know one stand out at the moment
Brothwick
Rafiq
Tredwell
Briggs
Plus I like Ali as spinner in that case play an extra batsman
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It was given out guys...get over it!! These things happen in cricket.
More importantly, i think Bopara shouldnt be blamed for this loss...he did the right thing by staying there when other batsmen were falling like nine pins.
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Let it go Sam... You guys lost 9-1 :D
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I really don't think Tredwell is up to the task
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Anyway.....
I think the bresnan run out was more a game changer to be honest.
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Buttler at 6 is dangerous... I am not sure he is up to batting at number 6 yet.
Maybe Buttler can open and everyone shuffles down one? I think Bell is better at 3 anyway.
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Game was lost by a poorly batted power play. Bopara shouldn't be blamed - he almost got them there and it was an unlucky dismissal.
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The game was lost because no top order batsman took the responsibility to see the game out... a 70no or so would have won the game with 5 wickets or so in the bank.
That being said, the track looked slow and difficult to bat on. The fact that the batsmen who were in got out so easily makes you think it was a tricky two paced deck.
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what makes you think buttler cant bat 6
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Christ on a Bike! 4 pages of arguing about a bail on a stumping for an out of form batsman.
And no mention of the fact that we should have chased down 217 in 50 overs.
We're a poor side, well beaten by a better one.
Roll on the T20's then the re-building process.
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what makes you think buttler cant bat 6
His temperament and lack of applicability (and possibly a lack of technique/skill).
In the 50 over format the number six is often responsible rebuilding an innings and then accumulating through the middle period. Buttler has a good eye and is great at slapping it around but he doesn't have the patience required. He might develop this later on but right now I don't see him as a number 6.
Up the top of the order with a free license or down at 7 to come in with 10 overs to go to close a game are where he does his best work.
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His temperament and lack of applicability (and possibly a lack of technique/skill).
In the 50 over format the number six is often responsible rebuilding an innings and then accumulating through the middle period. Buttler has a good eye and is great at slapping it around but he doesn't have the patience required. He might develop this later on but right now I don't see him as a number 6.
Up the top of the order with a free license or down at 7 to come in with 10 overs to go to close a game are where he does his best work.
Buttler has patience just fine! Just needs to be given a bit of time to develop at that level, learn his game a bit better. Nothing wrong with his temperament, and certainly not his technique!
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he batted at 5-6 for somerset in the 1 day stuff and did well him and Morgan are our 2 most consistent batsman in ODI cricket and should be given time to get big scores stop playing cricket old style the top teams attack from the start and continue.the top three will attack morgan and ali can work the ball around as can buttler plus morgan butter and stokes can clear the rope with ease.we need to stop living in the past and develop are cricket you need 300+ to win a majorty of ODI now
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His temperament and lack of applicability (and possibly a lack of technique/skill).
I'm not usually one to disagree outright with someone's opinion on the internet but I'm going to struggle with this one!
If anyone in the current England team has shown they have an even temperament, surely it's Buttler.
Being able to slap sixes around does not also equate with a lack of skill.
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My comments are confined solely to the number 6 slot in the batting order. I said that he would be suited to opening... where his technique and skills are more applicable.
At least I know people are on the forums today :)
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My comments are confined solely to the number 6 slot in the batting order. I said that he would be suited to opening... where his technique and skills are more applicable.
At least I know people are on the forums today :)
what is the massive differance between 6-7 apart from getting in earlier
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In the 50 over format the number six is often responsible rebuilding an innings and then accumulating through the middle period. Buttler has a good eye and is great at slapping it around but he doesn't have the patience required. He might develop this later on but right now I don't see him as a number 6.
If you are picking a number 6 in a one-day game solely on his ability to rebuild an innings I would suggest that a new selection policy is needed - starting by picking a new top 5
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Christ on a Bike! 4 pages of arguing about a bail on a stumping for an out of form batsman.
And no mention of the fact that we should have chased down 217 in 50 overs.
We're a poor side, well beaten by a better one.
Roll on the T20's then the re-building process.
Christ on a bike!!!!!
Nail head there Bruce best post of the day
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Well yes... you have a point!
Maybe just reverse the order.
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all the talent in the world, none of the brains would be my summary.
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Christ on a Bike! 4 pages of arguing about a bail on a stumping for an out of form batsman.
And no mention of the fact that we should have chased down 217 in 50 overs.
We're a poor side, well beaten by a better one.
Roll on the T20's then the re-building process.
Agreed.. Poor squad and can't wait for the slap and tickle to be over either tbh. This whole set up needs clearing out.. Toxic
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His temperament and lack of applicability (and possibly a lack of technique/skill).
In the 50 over format the number six is often responsible rebuilding an innings and then accumulating through the middle period. Buttler has a good eye and is great at slapping it around but he doesn't have the patience required. He might develop this later on but right now I don't see him as a number 6.
Up the top of the order with a free license or down at 7 to come in with 10 overs to go to close a game are where he does his best work.
the thing is, he has rarely been in that situation so has not been able to answer the question as to whether he can or cannot do it.
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good news for some.
west indies odi tour Will be used as a warm up for the t20 world cup. so will be t20 squad only.
that means no cook for starters(broad will captain)
should also mean we get to see what hales and lumb etc can do in the 50over game
hopefully well and stake a claim permanently
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It was given out guys...get over it!! These things happen in cricket.
I agree, we should follow the example the Aussies set when Broad snicked to your keeper in the uk....... (Yes Broad knew he snicked it, but the umpires decision is the umpires decision)
I like the fact we discussed it to the detail we have, I didn't know about the disturbing of the bail differed to the bail being permanently dislodged.
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Why blame bopara or any one else who played a stupid shot.
Just blame KP :D.
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I agree, we should follow the example the Aussies set when Broad snicked to your keeper in the uk....... (Yes Broad knew he snicked it, but the umpires decision is the umpires decision)
I like the fact we discussed it to the detail we have, I didn't know about the disturbing of the bail differed to the bail being permanently dislodged.
To be fair, if the Aussies had any reviews left during the Broad incident it would've been a moot point anyway. Agreed though, if the umpire makes the decision, even if it's a horrible one, then that is his decision. We have to abide by it at Club level, so the attitude shouldn't be any different at elite level.
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How did Bopara react after watching the TV? Did he accept it or did he look like he thought he should stay?
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Apart from umpires (especially elite ones!) should know the rules and apply them properly
#facepalm
#BlameKP
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I have to be honest, I just saw him walking off after it, so didn't really see his reaction.
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Has everyone forgotten poor Tim Bresnan being run out off a single that only Usain Bolt could make? May be Ravi was jealous of the cracking 6 he'd just thundered over the boundary!
I say sack him and get Luke Wright back in.
And defrost Nick Compton in time for the next test series.
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I was surprised that Luke Wright hasn't had a shot in the ODIs in Australia. Though I suppose his performances in the ODIs aren't as good as his T20 ones.
Compton back in the test team is a good shout. I'd put him back in opening instead of Carberry.
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There was obviously something wrong with Compton's attitude that made him be left out. He performed very adequately in terms of run scoring, but something probably wasn't quite right, perhaps with his integration into the team or something?
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Not quite sure what the England management see in Bopara. He's had plenty of opporunities in all forms, and has never really taken his chance. Granted, his bowling has become fairly tidy and economical, and he might be talented with the bat, but he's never really produced a solid run of significant/match winning contributions. Enough of him, get some fresh faces in or Luke Wright - reckon he should have been picked ahead of Bopara for this series at least.
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What a joke that decison was!
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Looked like the bail fell forward out rather than bouncing back in to me :P The thing I found the most frustrating was Root's stupid shot, he had already attempted it beforehand and ended up wearing that ball on the arm! I think ramp shots should stay out of the trick bag when your chasing less than a run a ball. You know at some stage luck aint gonna go your way (Bopara) so gifting your wicket like Root did was unforgivable.
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Looked like the bail fell forward out rather than bouncing back in to me :P The thing I found the most frustrating was Root's stupid shot, he had already attempted it beforehand and ended up wearing that ball on the arm! I think ramp shots should stay out of the trick bag when your chasing less than a run a ball. You know at some stage luck aint gonna go your way (Bopara) so gifting your wicket like Root did was unforgivable.
Agreed. I guess I can understand - at a push - why some players might end up playing the ramp shot, or any other extravagant shot to reduce the pressure and put them back on the front foot. However, it was run a ball. Granted they had just lost a wicket when Morgan chipped one to Watson (?), but Root was joined by Bopara at the crease, with Buttler, Bresnan, Broad etc to come. So like you say, there was no need whatsoever to start playing stupid extravagant shots. Just get the singles, and put away the bad ball.
It does make me wonder why we keep seeing so many 'weak' dismissals with the England batsmen gifting their wickets away.
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There was obviously something wrong with Compton's attitude that made him be left out. He performed very adequately in terms of run scoring, but something probably wasn't quite right, perhaps with his integration into the team or something?
There seems to be something wrong with the management England team - an incipient interference from the upper echelons of the ECB where selection is no longer left to Captain and Coach. I'd suspect that a man of Compton's quality and strong character might not fit with this mould.
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There seems to be something wrong with the management England team - an incipient interference from the upper echelons of the ECB where selection is no longer left to Captain and Coach. I'd suspect that a man of Compton's quality and strong character might not fit with this mould.
Sounds about right. Same as Graham Onions I suppose. Bucket loads of wickets but hasn't had a sniff of the England team.
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DAvid MAsters has taken bucket loads of wickets though, and nobody would countenance the idea of him playing for England would they? (playing devil's advocate here!)
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There was obviously something wrong with Compton's attitude that made him be left out. He performed very adequately in terms of run scoring, but something probably wasn't quite right, perhaps with his integration into the team or something?
Haven't they spotted a fault in his technique?
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strong willed individual if you beleive the rumours and may or may not of said 'gooch does not understand my batting'
the perception England has been a closed shop of yes men persists,and that's very unhealthy long term as you need players to think for themselves.
a football analogy might be Cantona to Man U from Leeds united.At the time he was thought to be 'unmanageable'
turned out to be one of Man U's pivitol players.
interesting what will happen to the England side now,Trott is penciled in for a comeback(hopefully)
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strong willed individual if you beleive the rumours and may or may not of said 'gooch does not understand my batting'
Gooch appears to not understand many England players' batting.
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if I was a betting man I would bet Thorpe becomes new England batting coach in the re-shuffle for tests as well as the job he is already doing(one-days) and Gooch to step aside
there will be some fall out from the 5-0 i'm sure of that.
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strong willed individual if you beleive the rumours and may or may not of said 'gooch does not understand my batting'
the perception England has been a closed shop of yes men persists,and that's very unhealthy long term as you need players to think for themselves.
a football analogy might be Cantona to Man U from Leeds united.At the time he was thought to be 'unmanageable'
turned out to be one of Man U's pivitol players.
interesting what will happen to the England side now,Trott is penciled in for a comeback(hopefully)
As a Leeds fan, it always makes me wonder what might have been if he had stayed.
The yes men comment is interesting, because the one thing about Strauss and Cook as captains is that they appear to be exactly that - yes men to Andy Flower. Don't get me wrong, Strauss was a decent captain and led the team to success, and to an extent, Cook has done some good things as a captain. But there are times when you want them to make more attacking decisions (especially Cook), but instead they seem to take the more defensive route. Now maybe that is their captaining style, but there are times when it makes you wonder how much of an influence Flower has over the bowling and fielding changes, and general tactics. Personally, I think the team could use to have more characters and a captain that are strong willed, and willing to be out spoken if needed. But it seems that the England team likes to keep those to a minimum.
As for Trott, fingers crossed he can make a comeback, and return to form. The team miss his quality at three.
if I was a betting man I would bet Thorpe becomes new England batting coach in the re-shuffle for tests as well as the job he is already doing(one-days) and Gooch to step aside
there will be some fall out from the 5-0 i'm sure of that.
I think giving Thorpe the batting coach job would be a good move to freshen things up. He was always a class batsman in all forms of the game.
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Yes - but quite a Maverick in his time, and certainly not a yes man.
Wonder if he's mellowed?
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you'd rather hope not too much - the last thing the world needs is another yes man!
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A Slap in the face for all the Bopara haters!!! Well played Ravi!!
The guy can bat and he is more than a capable bowler in limited overs cricket. Not sure wot else he can do!
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The issue is Mo, Is that he seems to have one knock every blue moon. Then people praise him. He is not consistent at all!
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I was about to say: show more consistency.
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A Slap in the face for all the Bopara haters!!! Well played Ravi!!
The guy can bat and he is more than a capable bowler in limited overs cricket. Not sure wot else he can do!
offer some consistency in his batting? get rid of the constant brain burps such as running out team mates/himself or playing ridiculous shots?
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A Slap in the face for all the Bopara haters!!! Well played Ravi!!
The guy can bat and he is more than a capable bowler in limited overs cricket. Not sure wot else he can do!
He needs to do it more than once in a blue moon - no doubting he has the talent, but one good knock every now and again is not good enough (in my view) to warrant selection on a regular basis. As others have said he needs to perform on a consistent basis....
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He needs to do it more than once in a blue moon - no doubting he has the talent, but one good knock every now and again is not good enough (in my view) to warrant selection on a regular basis. As others have said he needs to perform on a consistent basis....
Essex All-rounder issue - Ronnie Irani was the same.
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A rather timely Ed Smith article on cricinfo today:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/713637.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/713637.html)
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"Weak, frail, flaky, lets you down, inconsistent, no good under pressure. I implore all readers to ask themselves to make a mental list of players about whom they have said or felt those judgements. And then to check that list against the happy experiences they have enjoyed thanks to the wonderful victories achieved by those very same players. "
Ok maybe we didn't win, but recently, Ravi's been playing some good knocks and is a much better player than he was last time around.
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Essex All-rounder issue - Ronnie Irani was the same.
Wasn't Irani born and bred in Lancs? It was only when he came to God's country (I'm from Essex you know!) that he gained recognition from England.
I'd love to see Ravi get some 'steel' and make the #6 test slot his own, it would make my day. However, sadly he's not got it between his ears.
It's not about God's country, it's the fact he's a West Ham fan! That's the problem. It's clear that to be a West Ham fan you need nowt (half my family is from Wombwell) between your ears. ;)
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He needs to do it more than once in a blue moon - no doubting he has the talent, but one good knock every now and again is not good enough (in my view) to warrant selection on a regular basis. As others have said he needs to perform on a consistent basis....
Other than the top 5-10 players in thw world, who deos perform on a consistent basis in T20 cricket? Not many....
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Isnt it unfair to blame it all on Ravi though...the guy contributes one way or another each time..i feel like he is being made the scapegoat when he has performed better than a few others..agreed he has had his brain fart moments but I think it has been more good than bad with him...the guy has been forced to transform himself from a top order batter to a finisher..he has had to justify his place by evolving an all-rounder..
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Isnt it unfair to blame it all on Ravi though...the guy contributes one way or another each time..i feel like he is being made the scapegoat when he has performed better than a few others..agreed he has had his brain fart moments but I think it has been more good than bad with him...the guy has been forced to transform himself from a top order batter to a finisher..he has had to justify his place by evolving an all-rounder..
Good point.
How many batters in our team have the 'sphericals' to stand outside off stump and cream it over square leg for 6.
I feel people think he's an easy target because he doesn't wave his arms around, panic, or jump up and down. They should pan him for being a Hammer though ;)
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Other than the top 5-10 players in thw world, who deos perform on a consistent basis in T20 cricket? Not many....
Dernbach, consistently goes for 10+ an over.
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Other than the top 5-10 players in thw world, who deos perform on a consistent basis in T20 cricket? Not many....
England consistently lose games of cricket
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Isnt it unfair to blame it all on Ravi though...the guy contributes one way or another each time.
The problem with this, is that it's not every time and he has so much ability that it's infuriating he doesn't use it!
Someone at my team saw Ravi Play around the age of 15/16 and all the talk from coaches and scouts there were that he would smash every batting statistic and be the next England captain. He was that far above anyone else in his age range.
We know Ravi can bowl, we know Ravi can bat.
But he doesn't always deliver on the big stage.
Has he won many games for England? (That's a genuine question rather than a rhetoric statement)
There is a frustration at the amount of chances he gets as well. Look at Taylor, Compton (countless others) who haven't done much/anything wrong for England but are only given one chance.
I thought the same about Bell for years, technically brilliant but mentally weak. Last few years he's really matured and shown he's a fighter. Love him for it!
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Ok maybe we didn't win, but recently, Ravi's been playing some good knocks and is a much better player than he was last time around.
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