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[Manormanic]

DAvid MAsters has taken bucket loads of wickets though, and nobody would countenance the idea of him playing for England would they? (playing devil's advocate here!)

[Bats_Entertainment]

There was obviously something wrong with Compton's attitude that made him be left out. He performed very adequately in terms of run scoring, but something probably wasn't quite right, perhaps with his integration into the team or something?

Haven't they spotted a fault in his technique?

[ppccopener]

strong willed individual if you beleive the rumours and may or may not of said 'gooch does not understand my batting'

the perception England has been a closed shop of yes men persists,and that's very unhealthy long term as you need players to think for themselves.
a football analogy might be Cantona to Man U from Leeds united.At the time he was thought to be 'unmanageable'
turned out to be one of Man U's pivitol players.

interesting what will happen to the England side now,Trott is penciled in for a comeback(hopefully)

[Bats_Entertainment]

strong willed individual if you beleive the rumours and may or may not of said 'gooch does not understand my batting'

Gooch appears to not understand many England players' batting.

[ppccopener]

if I was a betting man I would bet Thorpe becomes new England batting coach in the re-shuffle for tests as well as the job he is already doing(one-days) and Gooch to step aside

there will be some fall out from the 5-0 i'm sure of that.

[mike1989]

strong willed individual if you beleive the rumours and may or may not of said 'gooch does not understand my batting'

the perception England has been a closed shop of yes men persists,and that's very unhealthy long term as you need players to think for themselves.
a football analogy might be Cantona to Man U from Leeds united.At the time he was thought to be 'unmanageable'
turned out to be one of Man U's pivitol players.

interesting what will happen to the England side now,Trott is penciled in for a comeback(hopefully)

As a Leeds fan, it always makes me wonder what might have been if he had stayed.

The yes men comment is interesting, because the one thing about Strauss and Cook as captains is that they appear to be exactly that - yes men to Andy Flower. Don't get me wrong, Strauss was a decent captain and led the team to success, and to an extent, Cook has done some good things as a captain. But there are times when you want them to make more attacking decisions (especially Cook), but instead they seem to take the more defensive route. Now maybe that is their captaining style, but there are times when it makes you wonder how much of an influence Flower has over the bowling and fielding changes, and general tactics. Personally, I think the team could use to have more characters and a captain that are strong willed, and willing to be out spoken if needed. But it seems that the England team likes to keep those to a minimum.

As for Trott, fingers crossed he can make a comeback, and return to form. The team miss his quality at three.

if I was a betting man I would bet Thorpe becomes new England batting coach in the re-shuffle for tests as well as the job he is already doing(one-days) and Gooch to step aside

there will be some fall out from the 5-0 i'm sure of that.

I think giving Thorpe the batting coach job would be a good move to freshen things up. He was always a class batsman in all forms of the game.

[FattusCattus]

Yes - but quite a Maverick in his time, and certainly not a yes man.

Wonder if he's mellowed?

[Manormanic]

you'd rather hope not too much - the last thing the world needs is another yes man!

[mo_town]

A Slap in the face for all the Bopara haters!!! Well played Ravi!!

The guy can bat and he is more than a capable bowler in limited overs cricket. Not sure wot else he can do!

[RoCo Da Pixie]

The issue is Mo, Is that he seems to have one knock every blue moon. Then people praise him. He is not consistent at all!

[Bats_Entertainment]

I was about to say: show more consistency.

[Manormanic]

A Slap in the face for all the Bopara haters!!! Well played Ravi!!

The guy can bat and he is more than a capable bowler in limited overs cricket. Not sure wot else he can do!

offer some consistency in his batting?  get rid of the constant brain burps such as running out team mates/himself or playing ridiculous shots?

[Byo]

A Slap in the face for all the Bopara haters!!! Well played Ravi!!

The guy can bat and he is more than a capable bowler in limited overs cricket. Not sure wot else he can do!

He needs to do it more than once in a blue moon - no doubting he has the talent, but one good knock every now and again is not good enough (in my view) to warrant selection on a regular basis.  As others have said he needs to perform on a consistent basis....

[Gingerbusiness]

He needs to do it more than once in a blue moon - no doubting he has the talent, but one good knock every now and again is not good enough (in my view) to warrant selection on a regular basis.  As others have said he needs to perform on a consistent basis....

Essex All-rounder issue - Ronnie Irani was the same.

[imran75]

A rather timely Ed Smith article on cricinfo today:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/713637.html

Last paragraph@

"Weak, frail, flaky, lets you down, inconsistent, no good under pressure. I implore all readers to ask themselves to make a mental list of players about whom they have said or felt those judgements. And then to check that list against the happy experiences they have enjoyed thanks to the wonderful victories achieved by those very same players. "

Ok maybe we didn't win, but recently, Ravi's been playing some good knocks and is a much better player than he was last time around.