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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: wasted_talent on January 31, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
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Telegraph reporting Andy Flower has been sacked! :o
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@cricketaus saying the same...
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im not hugely surprised.
not sure its the best idea depends who he gets replaced by
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Ashley Giles is in prime position I believe...
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yeah I've had texts on the subject. nothing official anywhere mind.
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He's done a great job over the years but it probably is the right time
Hopefully they don't replace him with Giles though, can't see that being a good move
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Has GILES gone too? Pleaaassseeeee
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that would be good!
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Have a nasty feeling Gilo will be given the job.
No mention of Gooch being sent down the job centre. Get rid of him, and Thorpey in full time.
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its reached cricinfo...
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its reached cricinfo...
And the CA website
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Thorpe won't do full time. Family commitments.
talk flower will be involved in ecb performance work at Loughborough. Stephen Fleming, anyone?
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Mickey Aurthur? ;) :D
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Giles has taken us from the best t20 side n the world to a joke. If he gets the test job, I'm becoming a bangladeshi fan.
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Just hit Sky Sports News...
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No wait wait I got it. Shaun Pollock and Allan Donald as the bowling coach :D ;)
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No wait wait I got it. Shaun Pollock and Allan Donald as the bowling coach :D ;)
Ha you got no chance.. :o
Flower is a good coach who did well for england but its time to move.........
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Really hope they think about this! Giles would be a disaster! Fresh faces needed throughout
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Tom Moody please - with Paul Collingwood as batting/fielding coach (being groomed for the main job)
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KP player/coach - you heard it here first ;)
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Thorpe won't do full time. Family commitments.
talk flower will be involved in ecb performance work at Loughborough. Stephen Fleming, anyone?
Fleming probably earns more in 6 weeks at the ipl than he would coaching England. Don't see any of the ipl coach's in contention
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They need to get this right or it'll be dark days for England
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Question is, has Giles inherited a poor performing squad or is he just as much to blame as Flower?
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we've just got this massively wrong and i dont care if i get pelters from fast eddie :) :)
flower should of stayed, yes our one day cricket needs a revamp,watching india v nz was like a different game just played on the same surface-grass
flower has done wonders for England and got us to number 1.
if it's a choice of captain to go or coach i'm sorry but Cook is not a natural captain
we need his runs far more than we need him to skipper
just my thoughts
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Glad he has gone, right time to step down and replace with some fresh faces and ideas.
Hope to god Giles doesnt get the main job, or even keeps his current job, not a fan of what he has done with the ODI set-up and results have not been great, even worse has been some of the performances.
We need a similar character to Lehmann, someone tough and willing to make big calls and that has the players respect. I dont even have any respect for Giles as a player so how would anyone in the england set up
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we've just got this massively wrong and i dont care if i get pelters from fast eddie :) :)
flower should of stayed, yes our one day cricket needs a revamp,watching india v nz was like a different game just played on the same surface-grass
flower has done wonders for England and got us to number 1.
if it's a choice of captain to go or coach i'm sorry but Cook is not a natural captain
we need his runs far more than we need him to skipper
just my thoughts
Problem is that the ECB have been grooming him to be the England Captain for the last 5 years. I doubt that they will throw that away after one bad tour...
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Somebody English this time surely?
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Anyone perhaps been doing noticeably well in the county department recently?
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The problem is who takes the captaincy if Cook doesn't do it? Unless you go down the Graeme Smith route and give it to Joe Root! Hasn't done Graeme Smith any harm!
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Flower gone, I blame Bopara
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Flower gone, I blame Bopara
KP as player coach (maybe captain as well then?) in all formats of the game then? ;)
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50p says Ottis Gibson will get at least an interview ;)
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Tom Moody please - with Paul Collingwood as batting/fielding coach (being groomed for the main job)
Collingwood would then suffer the same brickbats being thrown at Giles. If I were him, I'd win some stuff with Durham first, then think of the England job in four years.
I would like Graham Ford, but he'd rather slum it with the dregs of county cricket.
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Sorry but while looking through some bets for the cricket after I got interested by the other thread I found a few of the odds quite funny :
Next permanent England head coach :
Darren Lehman (100/1)
Sir Ian Botham (100/1)
Shane Warne (66/1)
Andrew Flintoff (250/1)
And a few of the more interesting ones :
Ashley Giles (11/8) (For comparison)
Mick Newell (3/1)
Tom Moody (8/1)
Garry Kirsten (8/1)
Micky Arthur (12/1)
Graham Ford (14/1)
Jason Gillespie (16/1)
Paul Collingwood (16/1)
Graham Gooch (40/1)
Few weird ones in there ???.
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One who would do a great job is Dizzy Gillespie.
Hope they don't realise that though, he's far more important doing what he is doing!
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Moody for me, but I like the Newell idea, Fleming as an outsider and my left field suggestion - Fraser!
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the only problem for me with Newell - who has done a decent job as a county coach - is that he would experience exactly the same issues as Moores did, in that it will be just as hard for a guy who did not play internationally to get his points accross to superstars now as it was then.
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the only problem for me with Newell - who has done a decent job as a county coach - is that he would experience exactly the same issues as Moores did, in that it will be just as hard for a guy who did not play internationally to get his points accross to superstars now as it was then.
I was just blooming typing this!
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Yup, fair point, that's possibly why Moody could work.
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Moody for me, but I like the Newell idea, Fleming as an outsider and my left field suggestion - Fraser!
Fleming would be good, but I think he's got a lot of fingers in a lot of pies, my left field Warnie!
I just reckon England need to get back the passion and enjoyment, it would have been a tough tour Down Under.
Is it difficult to coach England if you are not a Pom? Plenty of Aussies have failed and Arthur's wasn't a success for us!
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Anyone but Warne
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Bring back Bumble!
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I fear for English cricket
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25991973 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25991973)
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England/ECB got little hope of getting either Gary Kirsten or Stephen Fleming.
Kirsten resigned as Proteas coach due to his young family. Kirsten has also been named Delhi's IPL coach for 2014-16.
Fleming, as mentioned above, earns more in 10 weeks in Madras, then he would coaching anyone else. Fleming's twice rejected the coaching job with the Kiwis.
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Dean Jones would make a great coach. Doubt he'd ever coach England though.
They need a strong minded person like Jones though
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Next permanent England head coach :
Ashley Giles (11/8) (For comparison)
Mick Newell (3/1)
Tom Moody (8/1)
Garry Kirsten (8/1)
Micky Arthur (12/1)
Graham Ford (14/1)
Jason Gillespie (16/1)
Paul Collingwood (16/1)
Graham Gooch (40/1)
My 2 penneth for what it is worth on the candidates (the sensible ones) the bookies are on about getting the job -
Giles - all i will say is please God NO!!!!!!
Newell - i think like a few people have said already, a good coach but may struggle because has no international experience
Moody - good choice and i would be happy with him
Kirsten - superb choice and my pick definitely - however i don't think he would take it as he has said he wants to spend 70% of the year at home in SA and is the DD coach in the IPL
Arthur - don't think he would be considered after what happened with AUS
Ford - would be a good choice but he has just signed up with Surrey so think that is what he wants to do etc...
Gillespie - another excellent choice and i think he is a great coach and would get the respect from the players as well
Collingwood - one for the future definitely but i just think it is too early for him
Gooch - just look at our batting in the Ashes!!!
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England/ECB got little hope of getting either Gary Kirsten or Stephen Fleming.
Kirsten resigned as Proteas coach due to his young family. Kirsten has also been named Delhi's IPL coach for 2014-16.
Fleming, as mentioned above, earns more in 10 weeks in Madras, then he would coaching anyone else. Fleming's twice rejected the coaching job with the Kiwis.
Spot on there. Don't think England can afford a "big" coach.
Gillespie would be a good choice given his involvement in the county set up
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Moody should be given a go
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What about John Wright? He did a great job with India.
Is he looking for gainful employment?
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Isn't Dave Whatmore now available...if he can handle Pakistan infighting and motivate them then English should be a walk in the park...
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What about John Wright? He did a great job with India.
Is he looking for gainful employment?
John Wright is currently the head coach of the cash rich Bombay IPL side.
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I really hope it's an Englishman.
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Gillespie rules himself out
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/714965.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/714965.html)
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If there's any common sense (left) in the ECB, it can't be Giles. After all, the post test results have been just as bad...
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Can't be Giles, he won't be given any time to sort it out by English media. Gary kirsten would be my choice. Think he won't stand for any nonsense