Custom Bats Cricket Forum
Equipment => Wicket Keeping => Topic started by: stevie on July 02, 2008, 06:33:50 PM
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I am right in thinking that you can break the bail's with the back of the glove as long as the ball is in that glove, or do you have to break the bails with the ball?
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You can break the bails with the glove as long as the ball is in that hand.
I once had a keeper have the ball in one hand batsman halfway down... he then proceeds to wack over the stumps with his other hand!!!
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Unlucky Leo, did he manage to pull the stump out or did he think it was out anyway?
Reason i mentioned this was because i was in a game the other day and i broke the stumps with the back of my hand and the umpire said not out and when even the umpire at the bowler's end asked why it wasn't out he didn't tell him and it was only after the game that he said it was because i broke it with the back of my hand not the ball. Didn't matter that much though cause he was bowled after but stil...
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Yeah you can only break the bails with the gloves, but in most instances you have the ball closed in the two hands so doesn't really matter if you break the stumps with the hand that contains the ball, if you catch my drift!?
On another matter I was reading somewhere that if the ball hits the keepers led guards and then proceeds to knock the bails off when the batsmen is out of his crease, he is not out. I was wondering if anyone knew the reason
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It might be and i'm just guessing because you are not in control of the ball.
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Yeah exactly Keeper14
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There is a cut off point some way up the arm up to which you can use to break the stumps. Can't remember where the line is though
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If the ball is in your gloves and you take off the bails with the back of your gloves the batsman is OUT.
Well with the ball coming off the pad i belive the batsman is OUT as well
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if this helps, when the bails have been broken accidentally or on purpose without the ball in the hand breaking the bails and the batsman is out of the ground(so the batsman is not out ), the batsman can still be out if the batsman is still out of the ground and the person holding the ball must pull a stump out of the ground before the batsman returns to his ground
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Have seen players been given out where the ball has just hit the glove and nocked the bails off for a stumping, surely the keeper is no tin control of the ball?!
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Is it not given as run out then?
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if this helps, when the bails have been broken accidentally or on purpose without the ball in the hand breaking the bails and the batsman is out of the ground(so the batsman is not out ), the batsman can still be out if the batsman is still out of the ground and the person holding the ball must pull a stump out of the ground before the batsman returns to his ground
ok i may have not written that well enough
on an attempt for a run out, the keeper has recieved the ball and has somehow not removed the bails with the ball in hand with the batsman out of his ground. And if the umpire has seen through this appeal and given the batsman not out. the keeper may have a 'second bite at the cherry' by removing the stump while the batsman is still out of his ground and it would be a legal dismissal.
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Removing the stump and hitting it with the ball i think.
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Removing the stump and placing the ball on the stump
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It is very simple, if you have the ball in hand as a fielder or in the gloves as a wicketkeeper and knock out the bails, the batsman short of the ground is out. Hand and glove containing the ball are considered ball. If you knock the stump out by colliding with them or some how remove the bails without the ball, both bails that is, you need to pull a stump out and knock the ball on it. If the batsman is short he is out.
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In club i was keeping and knocked the stumps over by mistake but then had the ball so i took the stump out with the ball in my hand, which should have been out, but their coach complained saying it was un sportsman like as while i had the stump in my hand our coach shouted out and said to do it even though i had already done it..
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You can break the bails with the glove as long as the ball is in that hand.
I once had a keeper have the ball in one hand batsman halfway down... he then proceeds to wack over the stumps with his other hand!!!
I've seen this happen in a domestic game. NSW was playing and the keeper (not haddin) had the ball in his right hand in the air appealing to square leg i think. Batsman made a little move out of the crease keeps smacks the bails of with his left hand. Once he realised what he had done he just dropped his head into his glove. Just like the fielder who came running in to congratulate him.
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if the wicket is broken either accidentally or diliberately by the ball its out if its in a hand it can be anywere from the shoulder doewn on that arm that can break the stumps and its out!
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I missed this post when it was first posted. Am unable to understand the original post especially the piece about "their coach and unsportsman like".
Given that for some unknown reason many 'coaches' have no comprehension of the basic Laws let alone the competition rules, what was he on about?
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If your talking to me, it was just a simple club game where the coaches or parents umpire..
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Yes I am, I am unable to understand by your first post the actual sequence of events.
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I was wicketkeeping, and i accidently knocked the bails off the stumps while i was getting into position to take the ball at this time i didnt have the ball, they went for a suicide 2 and the batsman was halfway down the track by the time i caught the ball, i then picked up a stump like your ment to do with the ball in my had, but as i was lifting the stump up my coach yelled out for me to do it even though i had done it, their coach then said it was un sportsman like because my coach yelled out even though i new what i was doing.
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Ah now I understand. Coaches in the heat of the moment can forget the no coaching from the sideline rules lol.
Forget the incident, you appear to have done the right thing.