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[stevie]

I am right in thinking that you can break the bail's with the back of the glove as long as the ball is in that glove, or do you have to break the bails with the ball?

[Howzat]

You can break the bails with the glove as long as the ball is in that hand.
I once had a keeper have the ball in one hand batsman halfway down... he then proceeds to wack over the stumps with his other hand!!!

[stevie]

Unlucky Leo, did he manage to pull the stump out or did he think it was out anyway?
Reason i mentioned this was because i was in a game the other day and i broke the stumps with the back of my hand and the umpire said not out and when even the umpire at the bowler's end asked why it wasn't out he didn't tell him and it was only after the game that he said it was because i broke it with the back of my hand not the ball. Didn't matter that much though cause he was bowled after but stil...

[Stumped7]

Yeah you can only break the bails with the gloves, but in most instances you  have the ball closed in the two hands so doesn't really matter if you break the stumps with the hand that contains the ball, if you catch my drift!?

On another matter I was reading somewhere that if the ball hits the keepers led guards and then proceeds to knock the bails off when the batsmen is out of his crease, he is not out. I was wondering if anyone knew the reason

[stevie]

It might be and i'm just guessing because you are not in control of the ball.

[Howzat]

Yeah exactly Keeper14

[MD14]

There is a cut off point some way up the arm up to which you can use to break the stumps. Can't remember where the line is though

[Nozza]

If the ball is in your gloves and you take off the bails with the back of your gloves the batsman is OUT.

Well with the ball coming off the pad i belive the batsman is OUT as well

[Sambo]

if this helps, when the bails have been broken accidentally or on purpose without the ball in the hand breaking the bails and the batsman is out of the ground(so the batsman is not out ), the batsman can still be out if the batsman is still out of the ground and the person holding the ball must pull a stump out of the ground before the batsman returns to his ground

[Stumped7]

Have seen players been given out where the ball has just hit the glove and nocked the bails off for a stumping, surely the keeper is no tin control of the ball?!

[maXXed]

Is it not given as run out then?

[Sambo]

if this helps, when the bails have been broken accidentally or on purpose without the ball in the hand breaking the bails and the batsman is out of the ground(so the batsman is not out ), the batsman can still be out if the batsman is still out of the ground and the person holding the ball must pull a stump out of the ground before the batsman returns to his ground

ok i may have not written that well enough
on an attempt for a run out, the keeper has recieved the ball and has somehow not removed the bails with the ball in hand with the batsman out of his ground. And if the umpire has seen through this appeal and given the batsman not out. the keeper may have a 'second bite at the cherry' by removing the stump while the batsman is still out of his ground and it would be a legal dismissal.

[stevie]

Removing the stump and hitting it with the ball i think.

[Nozza]

Removing the stump and placing the ball on the stump

[armie]

It is very simple, if you have the ball in hand as a fielder or in the gloves as a wicketkeeper and knock out the bails, the batsman short of the ground is out. Hand and glove containing the ball are considered ball. If you knock the stump out by colliding with them or some how remove the bails without the ball, both bails that is, you need to pull a stump out and knock the ball on it. If the batsman is short he is out.