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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: patriotscreen on March 04, 2014, 06:08:51 PM
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As in the title. I've always liked Slazenger bats, not the cheap £12 planks in Sports Direct but the good quality models, County models for example are lovely.
So who actually makes them? Are they made in house by Slazenger or imported from another manufacturer?
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I think Slazenger contract Duncan Fearnley to make their Classic range of bats, like the V12, V6 and V5. I think the V6 used to be made in India, and I'm not entirely sure on the V5s, but last I read about it, they are all made in England now. The other bats are made in India, I believe by FC Sondhi, but I cannot be 100% sure, as I've heard that from other people. Regardless of where they are made, I found that Slazengers were quite good when I tried one or two of them a couple of years ago, and that's all that matters. :)
A sponsor like Uzi or Vitas could give you more details on them, as they stock the bats themselves. :)
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I have a Slazenger AirBlade Ultimate and a Hyperblade J.Kallis Signature LE and the label on both of those bats say "Made in India".I heard that V6 was also manufactured in India (atleast in the past).
I am very impressed by the Airblade Ultimate compared to the J.Kallis Signature LE. Will post some pics soon.
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All V12, V6 and V5 2014 models are made in UK
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I have teammates who are regular visitors to Duncan Fearnley for their kit, they informed me last season that Slazenger bats were being manufactured there.
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I have teammates who are regular visitors to Duncan Fearnley for their kit, they informed me last season that Slazenger bats were being manufactured there.
Yes true but not this year
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Indeed Not it is not my place to say and if you do not know you don't need to..
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Indeed Not it is not my place to say and if you do not know you don't need to..
Is not the right of a consumer to know exactly where the product they are buying comes from? I find this bat making house of mirrors mentality all a little strange to be honest, but I'm sure there is a valid reason for it.
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Is not the right of a consumer to know exactly where the product they are buying comes from? I find this bat making house of mirrors mentality all a little strange to be honest, but I'm sure there is a valid reason for it.
I really don't see a reason for it tbh. There aren't that many people really who care who makes stuff, but the ones that do should be able to see all the detail.
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when you buy a pair of trainers you aren't told what factory they come from......
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when you buy a pair of trainers you aren't told what factory they come from......
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Not really the same though. Plus, they don't sell on being made in x or y etc.
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Not really the same though. Plus, they don't sell on being made in x or y etc.
Historically, bats sold on brand rather than where they were made. The obsession with UK or not is a relatively recent thing.
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when you buy a pair of trainers you aren't told what factory they come from......
It will state clearly which country the trainers are made in though. It's understandable that buyers want to know where the bat is made, bats aren't made from a homogeneous regular material, nor can the manufacturering process be completely mechanised successfully, it will always need a skilled human to maximise it's performance. So knowing where it's made can give you an indication of the bats worth.
The analogy would be if I set up a company making 2 seater sports car, some of the cars were to be assembled the Mclaren factory but some were being assembled in a Dacia factory. Same car, same price, which one would you want?
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Not really the same though. Plus, they don't sell on being made in x or y etc.
Not really sure why it isn't the same. I think the obsession with knowing what bat maker made the bat, what they had for breakfast that morning and whether or not they blew their nose two or three times that day is pretty much confined to a select group on this forum.
I know for sure that all of my team mates (and myself) couldn't give two hoots, as long as the bat does that job nicely :)
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Not really sure why it isn't the same. I think the obsession with knowing what bat maker made the bat, what they had for breakfast that morning and whether or not they blew their nose two or three times that day is pretty much confined to a select group on this forum.
I know for sure that all of my team mates (and myself) couldn't give two hoots, as long as the bat does that job nicely :)
Yes, but some may argue that a bat is more likely to do that job nicely if it was made by a highly skilled batmaker. This is more relevant with cricket bats because the true performance of the bat you have bought will not be known until it is knocked in, netted and used for at least a few games.
Therefore, you are probably going to be more likely to buy a bat that was made by a recognized batmaker than a factory you have never heard of (depending on price etc). Unless of course the batmaker offers you a performance guarantee (and you can return it if you are unhappy with the performance of the bat).
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Therefore, you are probably going to be more likely to buy a bat that was made by a recognized batmaker than a factory you have never heard of (depending on price etc). Unless of course the batmaker offers you a performance guarantee (and you can return it if you are unhappy with the performance of the bat).
Like I said, I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority will go into a shop (if they aren't buying blind online) pick a bat up that takes their fancy, if it feels good some may have a tap with a mallet, a lot don't and that's about it.
The common misconception on here is that people think everyone who buys a bat thinks about them/studies the characteristics to the same level. They don't.
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If you could get a bat from say Aldred or get from a brand with a mediocre reputation and with an unknown source, for same price, which would you buy? I know which one I would trust to perform consistently better. So knowing a bats providence can be a good way of estimating it's value for money. Saying most cricketers don't care might be true but their ignorance shouldn't prevent other people asking pertinent questions.
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Yes, but some may argue that a bat is more likely to do that job nicely if it was made by a highly skilled batmaker. This is more relevant with cricket bats because the true performance of the bat you have bought will not be known until it is knocked in, netted and used for at least a few games.
Therefore, you are probably going to be more likely to buy a bat that was made by a recognized batmaker than a factory you have never heard of (depending on price etc). Unless of course the batmaker offers you a performance guarantee (and you can return it if you are unhappy with the performance of the bat).
That's incredibly prejudicial and suggests that you believe that the volumes of handmade bats coming out of India and Pakistan are not made by skilled batmakers.
If you were buying a bat from SG or Newbery, you'd find that the master batmaker doesn't make all the bats, and dare I say it, just because is a brand is a small one man shop, that doesn't mean the bats will all be rockets, and the percentage that is good may also not be that high, simply that no-one wants to mention it...
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I make slazenger bats...... You can lock this and move on now.
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That's incredibly prejudicial and suggests that you believe that the volumes of handmade bats coming out of India and Pakistan are not made by skilled batmakers.
Afraid I have to disagree with you their Tim as I don't believe countries were mentioned. Someone might like to know where their bat is made in the UK but not know the smaller batmakers that we know of.
If I was considering a Slazenger bat and looked into where it was made I'd be more likely to buy if I heard they were being made at Newbery rather than Affinity. I believe both are UK made, and have very good reputations on here. However when I have picked up an affinity or hit one with a mallet I just haven't got the wow factor I do from Newbery.
This isn't to say they're bad bats or not as good as their competitors, just not to my personal preference.
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I was under the impression Mike Ashley makes his Slazengers.
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That's incredibly prejudicial and suggests that you believe that the volumes of handmade bats coming out of India and Pakistan are not made by skilled batmakers.
If you were buying a bat from SG or Newbery, you'd find that the master batmaker doesn't make all the bats, and dare I say it, just because is a brand is a small one man shop, that doesn't mean the bats will all be rockets, and the percentage that is good may also not be that high, simply that no-one wants to mention it...
In my posts I specifically didn't mention Indian made bats because I could see it would turn into a UK vs Indian argument. However you can't say that every manufacturer of bats produces the same percentage of good performing bats, there are poor manufacturers and there are better manufacturers. As a consumer knowing who has made the bat can give you the insight into the likelihood of a bat being decent. If your last 4 bats from a particular company were planks would you continue to buy from that manufacturer or would you go elsewhere to someone with a good reputation?
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Afraid I have to disagree with you their Tim as I don't believe countries were mentioned. Someone might like to know where their bat is made in the UK but not know the smaller batmakers that we know of.
If I was considering a Slazenger bat and looked into where it was made I'd be more likely to buy if I heard they were being made at Newbery rather than Affinity. I believe both are UK made, and have very good reputations on here. However when I have picked up an affinity or hit one with a mallet I just haven't got the wow factor I do from Newbery.
This isn't to say they're bad bats or not as good as their competitors, just not to my personal preference.
The irony being newbery are Cnc part mades.
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The irony being newbery are Cnc part mades.
I asked Lewis in the shop down there about this, he said they are all handmade.
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The irony being newbery are Cnc part mades.
*beautifully performing CNC part mades.
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The irony being newbery are Cnc part mades.
I don't care if the bats are made by umpa lumpas if they go they go!
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I thought the forum line was "if it's marketed as (insert brand here), it's made by that brand"?
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In my posts I specifically didn't mention Indian made bats because I could see it would turn into a UK vs Indian argument. However you can't say that every manufacturer of bats produces the same percentage of good performing bats, there are poor manufacturers and there are better manufacturers. As a consumer knowing who has made the bat can give you the insight into the likelihood of a bat being decent. If your last 4 bats from a particular company were planks would you continue to buy from that manufacturer or would you go elsewhere to someone with a good reputation?
The question though, is where would that alternative be. Hypothetically, if you bought Slazenger previously and they were planks, you'd be likely to look for a "similar" brand, and I'd expect to see a Slaz buyer move to GM, Kook or GN. Simply looking at brand.
The sadly stereotypical thing is that if you look at the national background of the player wielding the bat, you'll see consistent selection of certain brands. Even within our team, that seems to hold true, and a lot of that comes from imports at a lower price than purchasing locally in the UK. It all comes back to the fact that out of the 500,000 people who regularly participate in cricket, the 3,200 on represents less than one percent...
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I asked Lewis in the shop down there about this, he said they are all handmade.
And here is the issue of the forum, some are told ken thing, while others are shown something else.
I have no inside knowledge, merely being told on here, and shown a pic of some Cnc clefts being handled, and they was Definately newbery tours(very distinctive shape).
Personally I believe the Cnc machine is the future off bat making, I buy from b3, and I like the fact that "apparently" rob pack, and newbery use Cnc part mades to improve/increase production. As we know they then handle check, and remove weight to balance after. Which is still a skill. And they still press them, the important thing.
I also believe hand making skills from start to finish has it's place, and applauded the likes of red ink, and rk who do the skill for such a Great price.
But all in all, pick up, performance, and customer service are the 3points I look for in a brand, not the bat maker, or how it was made, or what country it was made in.
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I thought the forum line was "if it's marketed as (insert brand here), it's made by that brand"?
It was, but we decided we didn't like BS.
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Yes true but not this year
Interesting.
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As far as I am concerned, and certainly from a libel point of view too, Slazenger bats are made by slazenger. If you speak to a slazenger executive and they tell you who makes them, that information was likely given in confidence, so should stay in confidence.
Take Tendulkar as an example, many people claimed to make bats for him, but as far as the general public (not us kit badgers) are concerned, his bats were stickered up as Adidas. Doesn't matter if they weren't made by adidas, all the punter sees is ST using an Adidas stickered bat.
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That's incredibly prejudicial and suggests that you believe that the volumes of handmade bats coming out of India and Pakistan are not made by skilled batmakers.
If you were buying a bat from SG or Newbery, you'd find that the master batmaker doesn't make all the bats, and dare I say it, just because is a brand is a small one man shop, that doesn't mean the bats will all be rockets, and the percentage that is good may also not be that high, simply that no-one wants to mention it...
As pointed out, I never said anything about countries (as the origin of the factory is totally irrelevant to me - only the skill of the batmaker). I would appreciate if you did not imply that I would care about that kind of thing.
For the record I also don't care about the sex or age of the batmaker either...
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As pointed out, I never said anything about countries (as the origin of the factory is totally irrelevant to me - only the skill of the batmaker). I would appreciate if you did not imply that I would care about that kind of thing.
But why import something that we can do perfectly well in this country?
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But why import something that we can do perfectly well in this country?
Why do we import food when we could grow it here? I suspect the reason is financial!
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The country of origin may well be of interest to some buyers though, so shouldn't be top secret. If you're interested in the environmental impact of the products you use, should you be buying a bat that has shipped to India and back again? If it was discovered that a brand was making there bats in a particular factory where it was subsequently found that the workers had to work in horridous conditions etc shouldn't buyers be able to Know where goods are manufactured.
It seems a view on here by some that buyers have no right to ask where a bat is manufactured, it's frankly out of step with accepted norms in any industry. Companies should be able to prove the providence of their products, where it came from and who made it. It's no different to know where and what factory has made an Adidas T shirt, shouldn't buyers have the information to make informed choices?
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Where are M&H bats made?
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As a consumer you have the right to ask and i'm not sure why you wouldn't, it's your hard earned money you're spending. I guess with a product that's bought for performance even more so. With a bat there are few variables to consider, the willow supplier, bat makers skill etc. However on the flip side the supplier (unless legally obliged) has the right not answer. So back to square one, you pays your money you takes your choice. :)
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Where are M&H bats made?
To the punter on the street, in Taunton, by M&H
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To the punter on the street, in Taunton, by M&H
Why the "punter on the street" comment?
This is taken directly from the M&H website
Millichamp and Hall specialise in manufacturng award winning bespoke cricket bats and hand-make every single one of our bats in our workshops at the Somerset County Cricket Ground in Taunton, Somerset.
I am a punter on the street and a decent chunk of my decision making was based on knowing exactly where my bat was coming from. You comment suggests you know something different, I for one would be interested to know more.
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Interesting point re-M&H.
If you make a statement is part of your corporate communications, you best be sure you are 100% or your reputation will go west.
But, does it matter where a bat is made?
Do we ask Sainsbury's where they get their milk from, or where my car was made?
So long as it works, does it's job, and the firm isn't telling porkies, what does it matter.
The only time it rankles is when a brand is disingenuous. 'We have a workshop', when what they mean is 'this shed is where we put the stickers on'. 'We have our own plantation where we grow our own willow', when what they mean is 'we buy our bats from the same place most other people do'.
If you can't be honest, be somewhere else in my book.
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It's pretty simple, tell the truth
Only claim it's English willow if it's actually English willow
Only say hand made of its truly handmade.. If it's cnc'd then just say so.. No shame in it really.
If you buy bats in and sticker then just say 'our bats are sourced from x'.. Again, no shame in that if you are honest.
If you import then say so 'our bats are Indian made' etc
Honesty doesn't cost anything and people do appreciate honesty.
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I asked the M&H question, because I'm sure if this question was asked of a sponsor - or a well liked brand then many would be much more against it being disclosed.
We always tried to be honest at Mongoose, openly stating Hunts County and SS as makers. However that was possible as we had a USP. Otherwise people will say "why not just buy a bat from x, at half the price?"
Kind of hard to justify paying £200 more for what is essentially the same bat. That's why the majority of brands/manufacturers don't like you talking about it.
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As far as I am concerned, and certainly from a libel point of view too, Slazenger bats are made by slazenger. If you speak to a slazenger executive and they tell you who makes them, that information was likely given in confidence, so should stay in confidence.
Take Tendulkar as an example, many people claimed to make bats for him, but as far as the general public (not us kit badgers) are concerned, his bats were stickered up as Adidas. Doesn't matter if they weren't made by adidas, all the punter sees is ST using an Adidas stickered bat.
I don't think it's libellous at all. They are the one's responsible for the finished product and have it branded as such but with so much work being outsourced (in virtually every industry) then it's fine to say this company is responsible for this part of the product. Tesco don't take offence when you suggest they don't make their own brand stuff. Nike have very few, if any, factories that make trainers. So asking Slazenger "What company(s) are responsible for the shaping of Slazenger bats?" is perfectly fair.
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It's pretty simple, tell the truth
Only claim it's English willow if it's actually English willow
Only say hand made of its truly handmade.. If it's cnc'd then just say so.. No shame in it really.
If you buy bats in and sticker then just say 'our bats are sourced from x'.. Again, no shame in that if you are honest.
If you import then say so 'our bats are Indian made' etc
Honesty doesn't cost anything and people do appreciate honesty.
I agree, however, many of the brands who 'white label' rely on inertia and as such can be (are probably are) disingenuous to the buying public. 'We have our own plantation'. I might just email them and ask them to clarify that comment.
To read the chap from Mongoose open-up gains my respect. Good drills.
It's a shame many others rely on customer ignorance in inertia to get away with much.
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This topic again I love it.
I love this forum for the fact I use Cnc made bats and I had people saying they couldn't believe it. Yet I asked what thy used they would say brand x and they where using a Cnc made without knowing it.
For quality control and consistent shapes quicker why wouldn't they it a basic model.
Times have moved if somebody is selling quite a number of bats and is not based in Asian then unless they have a work force of batmakers your answer need not to be answered
For peoples information a bat is a bat and I'm rather partial to a Asian bat as well.
Stop seeing things so clear cut as Cnc or handmade the lines are much more blurred
I see people are not asking or ever have if it copy laith made another red herring
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I see people are not asking or ever have if it copy laith made another red herring
Duncan Fearnley we're doing that in the 1970's and I bet no one cared one bit.
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My northern two pennies worth,
With the availability of forums,tinternet, etc, we like to think we are a little bit more informed regarding our purchases,
But unfortunately this information can also appear to be slightly twisted at times, hence the slight mis trust is created.
I've been stung with false stickered bats off eBay , bought £300 planks from so called reputable shops , etc
I'm sure unfortunately I'm not alone
Hence my interest in where a bat is made and hopefully how it's made.
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Handmade or machine made or a bit of both? Hunts have used copy lathes for ages, as have fearnley. Is that not machine making a bat? Why is it different to CNC?
Fundamentally, while it might help you to determine the chances of a better or worse bat, you can get good and bad bats from most makers. I think we've had this conversation a million times, and we've always come back to the point that even if you go and pick a bat from a shop, you can't guarantee it will work how you want it to. Frankly, I think this says it all...
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Handmade or machine made or a bit of both? Hunts have used copy lathes for ages, as have fearnley. Is that not machine making a bat? Why is it different to CNC?
Fundamentally, while it might help you to determine the chances of a better or worse bat, you can get good and bad bats from most makers. I think we've had this conversation a million times, and we've always come back to the point that even if you go and pick a bat from a shop, you can't guarantee it will work how you want it to. Frankly, I think this says it all...
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what he said...
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My final thoughts if you can't spot a Cnc made bat then why do you need to know is it that some people pay 150-200 pound more for the same bat but with a different sticker.
There no riddles with my bats I know the pesky little doctor who makes them.
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If its boring you read another topic. Its been a good read for me with some knowledgable input from a select few.
People have the right to know where their products are grown, manufactured, how they are transported etc if they so wish. Dont see a problem in asking questions before you choose where to spend your money.
Whoever used the milk in the supermarket analogy - not the brightest reference point as half the nation has been dining on failed Irish racehorses for the past decade. I would have thought now more than ever people should find out the providence of their food
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Can I ask a slightly different question on this subject.
If a firm outsources the making of their bats to another firm (their business not mine) - is it right that that outsourcing firm is selling their IP and bat shapes to another firm to sell on?
For example - Blank Bats created a really great shape a couple of seasons ago for one of their bat models and that shape is now the newbery mjolner.
I am not the bastion of ethical behaviour, so I wont cast the first stone here - but I will ask the question.
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Provenance is the key word and (some) consumers are becoming more fussy / demanding about this.
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To the punter on the street, in Taunton, by M&H
Asked previously, more than once and not responded, so where are M&H bats made? Seems a reasonable question, I interpret from responses for the average punter your best not to know!? I thought this forum was about educating and sharing information amongst cricket fans?
Regardless, I'd like a M &H Amplus,
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Alba, it's not so much that I care who makes Slazenger bats - I don't, and I've had a number of good ones. It's that with every manufacturer of bats we are asking the same questions over and over, and there seems to be little to no insight.
This forum is very rare in that it tends to the end of the scale where people buy bats and don't use them very much, then sell them. In the real world, people buy a bat and use it till it breaks or dies, then buy another. Every net/match I've ever been to, the only bag with as many bats in it as mine is usually the team bag...
While we care about the provenance of a bat, for better or worse, because we think it is the indicator of whether it is any good, the reality is that for UK made bats there are perhaps fewer than half a dozen makers manufacturing cricket bats in bulk in the UK for theirs and other brands. You can probably name them, and it's no secret. It's commercially up to them and the brand whether they allow their name to be used in marketing.
We've done this subject to death many times, and the reality is, if it makes commercial sense, there is nothing wrong with it. If a brand tells you it is made in the UK, and it is, that's fine. If a brand lies, it's not. You should buy a UK made bat on a bat shape that you like at a price point you want to pay and feel assured that even if it is made by one of these "outsourcers", they all make exceptional cricket bats.
If you want something that isn't UK made, you know where to go for those too. And once again, the quality is generally as good as the UK made bats.
On Buzz's point, it's down to the commercials agreed between the two parties. If the manufacturer incorporates a clause as part of the deal that affects the purchase price of the bats then where's the problem? It's basically paying less cash up front by paying with IP, and happens a lot in many sectors of industry.
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Can I ask a slightly different question on this subject.
If a firm outsources the making of their bats to another firm (their business not mine) - is it right that that outsourcing firm is selling their IP and bat shapes to another firm to sell on?
For example - Blank Bats created a really great shape a couple of seasons ago for one of their bat models and that shape is now the newbery mjolner.
I am not the bastion of ethical behaviour, so I wont cast the first stone here - but I will ask the question.
That's life - this rule of IP is to get it protected! If Mr CNC has it programmed into his machine as Profile 47 and he has no restrictions on knocking a 47 out then fair enough.
I've read this thread and all I'm going to say is the best bat I've had in the last 15 years was chosen by my wife. She knows nothing about bats, just what I like. I wasn't sure about the pickup but it went like a train.
My Icon+ is a gun and it was CNC'd, as was my Ayrtek. My H4L bats were/are great and they are made by Matt's fair hand. I had an Indian made blank a few years ago and that went like a train. Moral of the story is if it works for you don't get to hung up on the origins.
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So really its the people giving uneducated answers that is the problem. Not the people asking the question. I cant get enough of the behind the scenes stuff that Tom and Dave bring to topics like this so a bit unfair to write the subject off as boring
Especially when you were recently commenting on a topic about baking bread Tim :D
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Asked previously, more than once and not responded, so where are M&H bats made? Seems a reasonable question, I interpret from responses for the average punter your best not to know!? I thought this forum was about educating and sharing information amongst cricket fans?
Regardless, I'd like a M &H Amplus,
As far as we should be concerned, M&H say their bats are made in Taunton in their workshop, therefore that is where they are made.
A tiny bit of knowledge without knowing the full story is a dangerous thing.
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Especially when you were recently commenting on a topic about baking bread Tim :D
You'd be surprised at the similarities between bread manufacturing and outsourcing and that done by cricket bat manufacturers.... Many parallels...!
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As far as we should be concerned, M&H say their bats are made in Taunton in their workshop, therefore that is where they are made.
A tiny bit of knowledge without knowing the full story is a dangerous thing.
Share the full story then?
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Share the full story then?
I know nothing. Even if I did, I wouldn't share something I would likely have been told in confidence.
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Seems that i've kicked up a bit of a storm with this thread.
I personally don't care who makes something, so long as they do it right that's all that matters. I'm not interested in buying bats from the best makers going, as I think there are guys out there that make really good quality products at a lower price. No point in paying for a name.
Having said that I just find it interesting to know where things come from, I like to see where things are made as it gives a better understanding of what goes in to making such products.
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Why do we import food when we could grow it here? I suspect the reason is financial!
Yes, financial, in a very short-sighted way.
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Have we answered the OP's question?
I personally have no clue, but I do sometimes pick one up when I am in Sports Direct and think "I wonder if this goes as good as it looks"... then I put it down and think "it may be the bargain of the century but how to I know it won't be a plank and never open up"...
I guess if I knew it was made by a reputable batmaker (in my eyes anyway) I may just take that Slazenger bat to the counter, stick down some of my hard earned (out of the view of the missus as she peruses running shoes and then sneak it into another shopping bag before she sees it)... and let it sit with the other 8 unused bats in my kit cupboard
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As far as we should be concerned, M&H say their bats are made in Taunton in their workshop, therefore that is where they are made.
A tiny bit of knowledge without knowing the full story is a dangerous thing.
That's not really answering the OP's question. Yes limited knowledge can be dangerous but I'd also say that people hording it and not sharing either to act the clever clogs can be just as damaging. (Not saying you are fella).
I thought the tag line of the forum was about sharing knowledge, for people with more than just a passing interest in the game/kit.. Maybe the knowledge sharing is only allowed if it suits the profit margin.
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Maybe the knowledge sharing is only allowed if it suits the profit margin.
For sure.
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That's not really answering the OP's question. Yes limited knowledge can be dangerous but I'd also say that people hording it and not sharing either to act the clever clogs can be just as damaging. (Not saying you are fella).
I thought the tag line of the forum was about sharing knowledge, for people with more than just a passing interest in the game/kit.. Maybe the knowledge sharing is only allowed if it suits the profit margin.
Right to end this i hope
You want to know the reason people do not disclose most information about bats. The truth is it is told in confidence but also 9 times out of 10 it is indirect stories which may or may not be true.
Your right it is unfair the price difference between stickers but so is the price difference between clefts of willow to the finished article.
Sharing knowledge is a interesting theory I'm willing to share anything I know to be factual and have done in the past.
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Most companies have a sticker which says in what country it is made. same with shoes or clothes. in my opinion, thats all the company needs to disclose. and after that, the reputation is of the company regardless of whether they have outsourced it.
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Most companies have a sticker which says in what country it is made. same with shoes or clothes. in my opinion, thats all the company needs to disclose. and after that, the reputation is of the company regardless of whether they have outsourced it.
Problem with this is that a lot of companies have a product 95% made in 1 country, finish here and put "made in England" on it.
I could buy 100 blank Bats from India, put stickers and girps on and a made in England sticker.
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Grown in England maybe no hiding that