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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Red Ink Cricket on March 27, 2014, 07:18:35 PM

Title: Chase twitter pic
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 27, 2014, 07:18:35 PM
Anyone seen a customers pic which chase has retweeted? Copy lathe? Cnc? Interesting shape being produced before being cut to length and handled et.
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 07:21:32 PM
is that another brand losing it's image as 'proper' bat makers :(
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Post by: roco on March 27, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
I would say copy lathe

Does not look cnc'd to me
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Post by: mattw on March 27, 2014, 07:32:11 PM
How does a copy lathe work in making a cricket bat shape?
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: procricket on March 27, 2014, 07:36:07 PM
That is not a copy lathe i do not think it gives a rough shape. and cuts normally side ways leaving a rippled effect on bats.

The lathe is fitted with a initial shape (templete) and the 3 or 2 or 4 clefts under are rough copied to the template but it is not as neat as the picture.

It not a programmable thing it is a crude template copier.

However there a few little holes both top and bottom.

Dan does press a very good bat i have been there when he has done it.
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 27, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
Could be my eyes but looks like there are a couple of small holes at either end. Presume it's where it's held in place. Just wondered as it's not something I've seen before that's all. Especially leaving such a large toe to cut off
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: mattw on March 27, 2014, 07:45:40 PM
That is not a copy lathe i do not think it gives a rough shape. and cuts normally side ways leaving a rippled effect on bats.

The lathe is fitted with a initial shape (templete) and the 3 or 2 or 4 clefts under are rough copied to the template but it is not as neat as the picture.

It not a programmable thing it is a crude template copier.

However there a few little holes both top and bottom.

Dan does press a very good bat i have been there when he has done it.

Are there any pictures/videos of how this works so I can get a better indication of what you mean?
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: e4sby on March 27, 2014, 07:50:19 PM
One of these

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/28/a9uzunan.jpg)

Pattern of shape goes at top and 3 blanks underneath. The blades then shape the back of blank to a more cricket bat shape

Hard to explain really
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 27, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
Are there any pictures/videos of how this works so I can get a better indication of what you mean?

Copy lathe stuff on you tube. Small bit in a hunts video and also the impala video that used to be on msn Australia media website. Sure if you google it it will find it
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: GarrettJ on March 27, 2014, 07:54:17 PM
who wants to go halves/quarters on an auctioned CNC machine?

Im in.
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: procricket on March 27, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
John why don't you just ask Dan.

I see you follow him why not just ask him ??
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: roco on March 27, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
There not overly expensive you just need to be able to program them and get right tooling and your away
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 27, 2014, 07:55:57 PM
who wants to go halves/quarters on an auctioned CNC machine?

Im in.
How much are we talking here??
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Post by: GarrettJ on March 27, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
How much are we talking here??

thousands
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Post by: roco on March 27, 2014, 07:59:42 PM
5-10k for used one considering your talking 100k for a decent new one I think gunn and moores was about 400k
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 27, 2014, 08:01:33 PM
thousands
I'll just look down the back of the sofa and get back to you on that
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 08:02:15 PM
well worth it though if you need/want to produce large quantity of bats I suppose
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: e4sby on March 27, 2014, 08:03:14 PM
You'd only need a 3 axis machine which aren't as expensive as a GM 5 axis machine - though will shape betters at a quicker rate

If I won the lottery it would certainly be something I'd do - especially coming from my engineering background and interest in this field
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: GarrettJ on March 27, 2014, 08:04:04 PM
cant GM do 3 or 4 bats at once?



Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 27, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
John why don't you just ask Dan.

I see you follow him why not just ask him ??

It was more a question to see what people thought on here really to what it was. Just got me thinking as the toe curved a lot and I hadn't seen that before with copy lathe stuff. Nothing against it. I suppose anything you can do to take a little of the hard work out of making x number of bats a day then why not.
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: procricket on March 27, 2014, 08:04:47 PM
You'd only need a 3 axis machine which aren't as expensive as a GM 5 axis machine - though will shape betters at a quicker rate

If I won the lottery it would certainly be something I'd do - especially coming from my engineering background and interest in this field

Your time will come matey :)
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
You'd only need a 3 axis machine which aren't as expensive as a GM 5 axis machine - though will shape betters at a quicker rate

If I won the lottery it would certainly be something I'd do - especially coming from my engineering background and interest in this field

surely you need more than just the cnc machine? or is 400k for the machine and all the cpu, design stuff you'd need as well?? 400k isn't that much if you can literally churn out thousands of bats :)
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: roco on March 27, 2014, 08:07:40 PM
No that's just for machine plus basic software and maybe tooling if your very lucky

All the programmes etc to do bats would need to be written
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 08:09:07 PM
No that's just for machine plus basic software and maybe tooling if your very lucky

All the programmes etc to do bats would need to be written
so probably double that by the time you've kitted it out to literally take a cleft and shape it perfectly etc
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: roco on March 27, 2014, 08:10:43 PM
Not really double as depends on tooling you buy and what cnc as most basic software packages could do a bat just need someone decent to teach you to programme which is around £300-£600 a day depending on who and what software
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: GarrettJ on March 27, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
there are loads up for auction procricketer

some are basic and going for <£5k some look like you could build a spaceship with it and are going for £50k+++ (like grade 1+++)
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: e4sby on March 27, 2014, 08:11:22 PM

surely you need more than just the cnc machine? or is 400k for the machine and all the cpu, design stuff you'd need as well?? 400k isn't that much if you can literally churn out thousands of bats :)

If you have a 3d design program ie AutoCad then that can be transferred into the CNC machine - not as easy as that but that's the theory behind it
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: roco on March 27, 2014, 08:13:19 PM
Auto cad easiest way but not hard to write code either

Once you have programme easy to tweak
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: GarrettJ on March 27, 2014, 08:14:40 PM
(http://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/39d24b6a-a8b0-47d9-8827-a2eb0114ea0c/11921659-47d8-4ee4-b162-a2f500b32c10/540x360.jpg)

bidding ends 3rd April ...... no bids yet
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 27, 2014, 08:15:40 PM
Just to confirm this wasn't a dig at chase, it was merely something that got me wondering what they had used to make that shape.  Removing some of the donkey work isn't a bad thing
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
there are loads up for auction procricketer

some are basic and going for <£5k some look like you could build a spaceship with it and are going for £50k+++ (like grade 1+++)

once the land sells 400k isn't a problem. The fact I'd have no idea what hte hell it is would be more an issue! Think I'll pass and still to my current plans :)
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: procricket on March 27, 2014, 08:18:49 PM
400K isn't a problem 4 quid is a issue for me some people hey!!
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 08:19:31 PM
400K isn't a problem 4 quid is a issue for me some people hey!!

£4 is an issue currently.. Did say when! :)
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: GarrettJ on March 27, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
you do a drawing of a cleft on a CAD program
link that to the cnc machine (a robot that cuts things)
press go
sit back and watch it cut your cleft to shape
make a tea
insert aother cleft
press go and repeat

problem is you are left with hundreds of cut clefts but no pressing machine or anything else!
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 27, 2014, 08:23:00 PM
sounds liek something to aim for for the bat makers :)
Title: Re: Chase twitter pic
Post by: e4sby on March 27, 2014, 08:40:51 PM

Your time will come matey :)

Think it's called a pipe dream....