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Companies => Custom companies => B3 Cricket => Topic started by: procricket on May 08, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
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Much sought after and to be honest you can see why have a butchers i will let the pictures do the talking
Top 1% of willow.
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And the shelf of crown...
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Some lovely looking cleft, if I could I would ask for cleft with density 353/354 to make a 2.10.5/2.11 to make a monster bat.
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And surprisingly post liking button is missing ???
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You tempt me with your wicked stash of wood.
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There in a natural machined state as well imagined polished up.
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There in a natural machined state as well imagined polished up.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm........
Oh, are these graded on performance and looks or just the sheer volume of ping?
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looks and volume or density is what we call it there is a 400 in there which just looks insane
There not pressed as yet Matt.
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Those are stunning clefts..wow :)
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looks and volume or density is what we call it there is a 400 in there which just looks insane
There not pressed as yet Matt.
So I can assume these will bang like a WRAC's door?
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Jesus........ :o I just got my own 'wood' looking at that.haha
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So how much does crown willow sets one back ?
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Wow :o. Out of interest Dave, how is the density measured? Are all the clefts machined to the same shape and then simply weighed I assume? Looks like a very precise setup being able to work out nearly exactly the size a bat can be for it's weight before even starting to shape it.
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Would love a few of those clefts :o
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So how much does crown willow sets one back ?
£400 UK mate and we are vat registered.
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Wow :o. Out of interest Dave, how is the density measured? Are all the clefts machined to the same shape and then simply weighed I assume? Looks like a very precise setup being able to work out nearly exactly the size a bat can be for it's weight before even starting to shape it.
Sam this is the Doctor's area we will be running a ask the Doctor session soon.
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Would love a few of those clefts :o
You are producing some lovely bats yourself but always nice to hear from fellow sponsors and cricket lovers.
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Keep your eye out on the England v Scotland game B3 bats will be on show.
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Ooh wishing I had saved up more for these beauties.
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Oh my. I'm on the hunt for a new match bat too.
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they look awesome would love to own one.
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So, say, if I was after a custom 2lb 8oz beauty that pinged like a trampoline, there would be a suitable cleft there? Those clefts all look as if they'd produce something heavier...
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So, say, if I was after a custom 2lb 8oz beauty that pinged like a trampoline, there would be a suitable cleft there? Those clefts all look as if they'd produce something heavier...
I think you'd get a big bat at that weight, especially those clefts around 360
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Matt may i call you this, the best example is this
if you like say a Will Bragg shape which at 400 density is 2-10.5oz and got the 353 which is on the shelf it would weight 2-5.5oz mate due to the density of the wood.
So if you wanted a 2-8 you would say only need a 375 or there about if you understand it.
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Matt may i call you this the best example is this
if you like say a Will Bragg shape which at 400 density is 2-10.5oz and got the 353 which is on the shelf it would weight 2-5.5oz mate due to the density of the wood.
I was meaning to ask this..
Since you guys have a CNC machine, I would have thought it will be easier to have a desired weight from any cleft by slightly modifying the profile?
Say if you need a lighter bat then you take off one or two millimetres from the back of the bat through out the surface,on the other hand you can add few mm for a heavier bat.
In general you still keep a very similar shape to the original profile but importantly distribution of weight is identical to a bat which was made from a lighter cleft.
So is there any performance related issues which stop you doing that or mainly economical? (ie new design adds time and cost etc..)
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For me what is interesting is the relative sizes of some of these clefts with the density written on them. The two 359s are massively different...
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Do you get oversized clefts in "crown" willow?
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Wow. those clefts are amazing. need to save up. even with the vat off, add in shipping and it will be the same.
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Holy smoke....these are amazing....wish I was that good a player to use one of these. If you can, would love to see some finished pics as well Dave.
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For me what is interesting is the relative sizes of some of these clefts with the density written on them. The two 359s are massively different...
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It's a per unit density so no matter the size of the cleft the number doesn't change
It's a great process b3 have but it's very very simple maths and all bat makers do it just b3 use a computer and the CNC to get it down to near 99% accuracy weight wise every time they make a bat
Don't be too blinded by science.
Those clefts pictured are some of the best I've ever seen!
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Yep from what I understand, the number is a ratio between weight and volume. So those 2 clefts will make the same sized bat for a given profile and weight.
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Given what the doctor was saying in a previous thread, the value was given as the density. Those two clearly have different volumes, and would therefore produce different sized bats. I get the science garret....
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Yep from what I understand, the number is a ratio between weight and volume. So those 2 clefts will make the same sized bat for a given profile and weight.
If you used say a 350 mate as I have said and wanted a Will Bragg shape at 2-10.5
You will get a 2-5.5 oz bat in the same volume of the 2-10.5 if that bat starts at 400 density.
For every 10 you either lose a ounce or gain a ounce of weight from the 400 but the bat will be the same size.
Now if you wanted a bespoke your own design then with The Doctor you would select a cleft best suited for the bat you want be it crown,3,2 or 1 stripe if it was bespoke.
Does this help.
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Matt may i call you this, the best example is this
if you like say a Will Bragg shape which at 400 density is 2-10.5oz and got the 353 which is on the shelf it would weight 2-5.5oz mate due to the density of the wood.
So if you wanted a 2-8 you would say only need a 375 or there about if you understand it.
Blimey. So with an ultra low density cleft, you can get a lot of wood volume for your target weight, basically?
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Blimey. So with an ultra low density cleft, you can get a lot of wood volume for your target weight, basically?
That's right the lower the number the bigger the profile
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That's right the lower the number the bigger the profile
Or amuch lighter yet same size already made profile like a Bragg Mullaney or Wagg.
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Yep, gotcha. The numbers elude me a tad, so it's good to get a description in 'real terms'.
So. anyone got their grubby hands on any of these virginal clefts yet?
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If you used say a 350 mate as I have said and wanted a Will Bragg shape at 2-10.5
You will get a 2-5.5 oz bat in the same volume of the 2-10.5 if that bat starts at 400 density.
For every 10 you either lose a ounce or gain a ounce of weight from the 400 but the bat will be the same size.
Now if you wanted a bespoke your own design then with The Doctor you would select a cleft best suited for the bat you want be it crown,3,2 or 1 stripe if it was bespoke.
Does this help.
Well here is my question then, could I not use 350 for will bragg shape but ask for 2.10.5 so get a bigger bat? Could the CNC no make it bigger? or does it have dimensions like edge size and spine height etc coded in?
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Well here is my question then, could I not use 350 for will bragg shape but ask for 2.10.5 so get a bigger bat? Could the CNC no make it bigger? or does it have dimensions like edge size and spine height etc coded in?
If you are making the Bragg shape, you are making it to dimensions. You would have to adjust dimensions to make a bigger bat therefore it would have a larger profile.
Rather like the 1271. Made in a 400 it is 2lb 12, in a 350, 2lb 7, but both are the same size. If it was made to 2lb 12 in a 350 made to a similar shape with larger dimensions, it wouldn't be a 1271.
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Only restriction should be spine height
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If you are making the Bragg shape, you are making it to dimensions. You would have to adjust dimensions to make a bigger bat therefore it would have a larger profile.
Rather like the 1271. Made in a 400 it is 2lb 12, in a 350, 2lb 7, but both are the same size. If it was made to 2lb 12 in a 350 made to a similar shape with larger dimensions, it wouldn't be a 1271.
Well put Tim
If you want super sized players bats then the become bespoke because the shape changes but you could use the players Cad as a template and add to it becoming a bespoke.
Spine high the only restrictions in spine high is the normal cleft maximum height.
Bat size on pre designed shapes will always be the same just the weight.
Custom and bespoke are different because you design what you want and Streaky picks the clefts that work with the dimensions and weight you require.
Dont get hung up on players profile if you buy the crown i advice is make your own up use a template but normally people tell Streaky what they want and he matches a crown cleft to the Bat.
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Well here is my question then, could I not use 350 for will bragg shape but ask for 2.10.5 so get a bigger bat? Could the CNC no make it bigger? or does it have dimensions like edge size and spine height etc coded in?
We could make the Bragg shape at 2'10.5 with a density of say 350, we would just make everything bigger, approximately 1mm increase in size (pro rata accross the shape) adds 1 oz, therefore we could make the Bragg shape 5mm bigger than standard. The only problem that we would have would be having a cleft big enough to do this, as we are restricted by the size on the initial clefts.
I hope this makes sense??
Streaky
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So what is the biggest bat that can be made from a 350 cleft?
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I was meaning to ask this..
Since you guys have a CNC machine, I would have thought it will be easier to have a desired weight from any cleft by slightly modifying the profile?
Say if you need a lighter bat then you take off one or two millimetres from the back of the bat through out the surface,on the other hand you can add few mm for a heavier bat.
In general you still keep a very similar shape to the original profile but importantly distribution of weight is identical to a bat which was made from a lighter cleft.
So is there any performance related issues which stop you doing that or mainly economical? (ie new design adds time and cost etc..)
There are two things that drive a bat weight;
1. Density of Cleft
2. Volume of model
For the example of the bats on the forum we have said that the volume is set and therefore the difference in weight is driven by the different densities of clefts. The only reason for doing this was to keep the price down for you guys as the design work has been pre done, we called these SERIES shapes i.e. off the shelf designs.
We can alter the model and therefore alter the volume on any shape to make sure we get the desired weight from a cleft - if for example the density was fixed, but by doing this the bat becomes a BESPOKE design and there is an additional charge for this.
Our design capability allows B3 to make any shape you desire, our only restrictions are the starting size of the cleft and the natural range of densities.
Streaky
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So what is the biggest bat that can be made from a 350 cleft?
What is Big?
Weight?
Size?
Streaky
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The way I see it is I would come to you and say, for example, I would like a 2.10 Bragg shape bat and the doctor will then work out which density cleft to use?
If that is the case I don't see why the density of the cleft is important to the customer. As long as I got the required shape/profile and in the right weight. The density just means it's easier for the manufacturer to get the finished weight right, within 99% I believe.
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Sorry... Weight
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Sorry... Weight
A cleft sanded plus handle.
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Thanks for that informed answer should be able to get it cheap them with no cnc required. So the weight would be?
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Depends on the shape mate, we talking very minimal Cnc work ??
Or are you asking the weight of the cleft ? In that case I will let streaky answer as he is the genius and I'm just the teaboy mate.
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Thanks for that informed answer should be able to get it cheap them with no cnc required. So the weight would be?
350 cleft - max weight would be around 2lb 14oz, as ProCricket said this would pratically be cleft with handle in it. Still need to go through the CNC machine however :-)
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The way I see it is I would come to you and say, for example, I would like a 2.10 Bragg shape bat and the doctor will then work out which density cleft to use?
If that is the case I don't see why the density of the cleft is important to the customer. As long as I got the required shape/profile and in the right weight. The density just means it's easier for the manufacturer to get the finished weight right, within 99% I believe.
You are spot on - the density selection generally is our responsibility to make sure we get the customers desired weight. We do however have some customers that select clefts on density, as this allows them to get the biggest possible size of bat for a desired weight.
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You are spot on - the density selection generally is our responsibility to make sure we get the customers desired weight. We do however have some customers that select clefts on density, as this allows them to get the biggest possible size of bat for a desired weight.
Which I imagine is what a lot of people would want... A lot of people on the forum anyway
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Love the Sherrin AFL footy in the background
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Love the Sherrin AFL footy in the background
Office Footy!!
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350 cleft - max weight would be around 2lb 14oz, as ProCricket said this would pratically be cleft with handle in it.
Sounds like a 'blue' steak. None more rare!
'Sir, how do you like your bats? Concaved, shaped, off set edges?'....
'No, handle it and get it here'
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We could make the Bragg shape at 2'10.5 with a density of say 350, we would just make everything bigger, approximately 1mm increase in size (pro rata accross the shape) adds 1 oz, therefore we could make the Bragg shape 5mm bigger than standard. The only problem that we would have would be having a cleft big enough to do this, as we are restricted by the size on the initial clefts.
I hope this makes sense??
Streaky
thanks doc makes sense and also answers my question.
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Just sent you an email about these clefts.
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I too have been pondering about one of these bad boys would be nice addition.
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Dave, Very tempting clefts those.
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if only it was this easy to buy talent. *sigh*