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[tim2000s]

Given what the doctor was saying in a previous thread, the value was given as the density. Those two clearly have different volumes, and would therefore produce different sized bats.  I get the science garret....

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[procricket]

Yep from what I understand, the number is a ratio between weight and volume. So those 2 clefts will make the same sized bat for a given profile and weight.

If you used say a 350 mate as I have said and wanted a Will Bragg shape at 2-10.5
You will get a 2-5.5 oz bat in the same volume of the 2-10.5 if that bat starts at 400 density.

For every 10 you either lose a ounce or gain a ounce of weight from the 400 but the bat will be the same size.

Now if you wanted a bespoke your own design then with The Doctor you would select a cleft best suited for the bat you want be it crown,3,2 or 1 stripe if it was bespoke.

Does this help.

[Mattsky]

Matt may i call you this, the best example is this

if you like say a Will Bragg shape which at 400 density is 2-10.5oz and got the 353 which is on the shelf it would weight 2-5.5oz mate due to the density of the wood.

So if you wanted a 2-8 you would say only need a 375 or there about if you understand it.

Blimey. So with an ultra low density cleft, you can get a lot of wood volume for your target weight, basically?

[Butterfingerz]

Blimey. So with an ultra low density cleft, you can get a lot of wood volume for your target weight, basically?

That's right the lower the number the bigger the profile

[procricket]

That's right the lower the number the bigger the profile

Or  amuch lighter yet same size already made profile like a Bragg Mullaney or Wagg.

[Mattsky]

Yep, gotcha. The numbers elude me a tad, so it's good to get a description in 'real terms'.

So. anyone got their grubby hands on any of these virginal clefts yet?

[tushar sehgal]

If you used say a 350 mate as I have said and wanted a Will Bragg shape at 2-10.5
You will get a 2-5.5 oz bat in the same volume of the 2-10.5 if that bat starts at 400 density.

For every 10 you either lose a ounce or gain a ounce of weight from the 400 but the bat will be the same size.

Now if you wanted a bespoke your own design then with The Doctor you would select a cleft best suited for the bat you want be it crown,3,2 or 1 stripe if it was bespoke.

Does this help.

Well here is my question then, could I not use 350 for will bragg shape but ask for 2.10.5 so get a bigger bat? Could the CNC no make it bigger? or does it have dimensions like edge size and spine height etc coded in?

[tim2000s]

Well here is my question then, could I not use 350 for will bragg shape but ask for 2.10.5 so get a bigger bat? Could the CNC no make it bigger? or does it have dimensions like edge size and spine height etc coded in?

If you are making the Bragg shape, you are making it to dimensions. You would have to adjust dimensions to make a bigger bat therefore it would have a larger profile.

Rather like the 1271. Made in a 400 it is 2lb 12, in a 350, 2lb 7, but both are the same size. If it was made to 2lb 12 in a 350 made to a similar shape with larger dimensions, it wouldn't be a 1271.

[GarrettJ]

Only restriction should be spine height

[procricket]

If you are making the Bragg shape, you are making it to dimensions. You would have to adjust dimensions to make a bigger bat therefore it would have a larger profile.

Rather like the 1271. Made in a 400 it is 2lb 12, in a 350, 2lb 7, but both are the same size. If it was made to 2lb 12 in a 350 made to a similar shape with larger dimensions, it wouldn't be a 1271.

Well put Tim

If you want super sized players bats then the become bespoke because the shape changes but you could use the players Cad as a template and add to it becoming a bespoke.

Spine high the only restrictions in spine high is the normal cleft maximum height.

Bat size on pre designed shapes will always be the same just the weight.

Custom and bespoke are different because you design what you want and Streaky picks the clefts that work with the dimensions and weight you require.

Dont get hung up on players profile if you buy the crown i advice is make your own up use a template but normally people tell Streaky what they want and he matches a crown cleft to the Bat.

[The Doctor]

Well here is my question then, could I not use 350 for will bragg shape but ask for 2.10.5 so get a bigger bat? Could the CNC no make it bigger? or does it have dimensions like edge size and spine height etc coded in?

We could make the Bragg shape at 2'10.5 with a density of say 350, we would just make everything bigger, approximately 1mm increase in size (pro rata accross the shape) adds 1 oz, therefore we could make the Bragg shape 5mm bigger than standard. The only problem that we would have would be having a cleft big enough to do this, as we are restricted by the size on the initial clefts.

I hope this makes sense??

Streaky

[Number4]

So what is the biggest bat that can be made from a 350 cleft?

[The Doctor]

I was meaning to ask this..

Since you guys have a CNC machine, I would have thought it will be easier to have a desired weight from any cleft by slightly modifying the profile?
Say if you need a lighter bat then you take off one or two millimetres from the back of the bat through out the surface,on the other hand you can add few mm for a heavier bat.

In general you still keep a very similar shape to the original profile but importantly distribution of weight is identical to a bat which was made from a lighter cleft.

So is there any performance related issues which stop you doing that or mainly economical? (ie new design adds time and cost etc..)

There are two things that drive a bat weight;

1. Density of Cleft
2. Volume of model

For the example of the bats on the forum we have said that the volume is set and therefore the difference in weight is driven by the different densities of clefts. The only reason for doing this was to keep the price down for you guys as the design work has been pre done, we called these SERIES shapes i.e. off the shelf designs.

We can alter the model and therefore alter the volume on any shape to make sure we get the desired weight from a cleft - if for example the density was fixed, but by doing this the bat becomes a BESPOKE design and there is an additional charge for this.

Our design capability allows B3 to make any shape you desire, our only restrictions are the starting size of the cleft and the natural range of densities.

Streaky

[The Doctor]

So what is the biggest bat that can be made from a 350 cleft?

What is Big?

Weight?
Size?

Streaky

[BigBlueMachine]

The way I see it is I would come to you and say, for example, I would like a 2.10 Bragg shape bat and the doctor will then work out which density cleft to use?

If that is the case I don't see why the density of the cleft is important to the customer. As long as I got the required shape/profile and in the right weight. The density just means it's easier for the manufacturer to get the finished weight right, within 99% I believe.