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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Stuey on May 16, 2014, 06:31:48 AM
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Apologies if this has been discussed on other threads, but why do bat makers shape concaving into bats, what's the benefit and why do some members dislike concaving?
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Concaving is the easiest way to remove large amounts of wood from the cleft, this making the bat light, you are also able to leave the edges nice and big. So basically with concaving you can make a big bat and get it to a light weight. Some go to real extremes to do this. Why don't people like it? There is science and logic that says the less wood behind the ball at impact it won't go as far, but I think at the level 99% of people on this forum play too its just personal choice mate.
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but I think at the level 99% of people on this forum play too its just personal choice mate.
Completely in agreement. Using light bats myself(2.7ish) I have to concede that there will be abit of concaving on my bat, but not really being one for edge size, id rather have an ordinary size edge and as much in the back as possible at that weight. I think that you should back yourself to be able to time the ball well enough that the concaving doesn't really affect your game
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Concaving is the easiest way to remove large amounts of wood from the cleft, this making the bat light, you are also able to leave the edges nice and big. So basically with concaving you can make a big bat and get it to a light weight. Some go to real extremes to do this. Why don't people like it? There is science and logic that says the less wood behind the ball at impact it won't go as far, but I think at the level 99% of people on this forum play too its just personal choice mate.
Thank you, I'm now a little wiser. The bat I use currently is 2lb7 and has some concaving, but I probably couldn't tell you if it impacts my performance I still manage to find the boundary :) I see the CK22 has a deep spine and concaving, I guess a trend at the moment.
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In my opinion, the most important factor in the performance of a bat is the pressing. The quality of the piece of willow will also have an obvious impact. You can be a dab hand at pressing but a dud cleft will make a dud bat.
Removing wood from various areas of the back of the bat affects balance and pick up more than anything. In my opinion concaving has little impact on performance, if any.
If removing wood from the back of the bat made such a difference then the GN scoop would be the worst bat ever made.
I have owned concaved and non concaved bats, some of my favourites including the best performing bat I've ever owned have been concaved.
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I personally (so this is just my own opinion) notice no difference between my slightly concaved RPC to my little more concaved Blueroom bat. Both go like anything else I've seen so tbh, I think it comes down to trusting the batmaker/company to not be selling crap bats and the feel to you. Get them both right and it'll score you runs.
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I think it comes down to trusting the batmaker/company to not be selling crap bats and the feel to you. Get them both right and it'll score you runs.
That's how I see it too.
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I prefer bats without much concaving and have absolutely no reason for this, it's just what I like.
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it's just what I like.
Best reason ever!
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I prefer the thought of no concaving, but my best results have come from a bat with quite a lot of concaving so god knows where I stand!
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Completely in agreement. Using light bats myself(2.7ish) I have to concede that there will be abit of concaving on my bat, but not really being one for edge size, id rather have an ordinary size edge and as much in the back as possible at that weight. I think that you should back yourself to be able to time the ball well enough that the concaving doesn't really affect your game
Not necessarily, this H4L NV bat is 2.7 and not really any concaving... :)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/H4LNV27Bat_zps83889d6d.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/H4LNV27Bat_zps83889d6d.jpg.html)
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Wish I had the money for that haha
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I'd say there was a gentle concave to that NV, no? Still a jolly nice bat though. :)
From the H4L's website description for it:
Quick Overview
The NV has been developed with the modern cricketer in mind. With thick edges and a elongated sweet spot, combined with a beautifully balanced pick up this bat is perfect for the all-round stroke player.
• Premium Grade 1 English Willow
• Concave Shaped Spine
• Extra Thick Edges
• Bowed Blade
• Huge Sweet Spot
• Light Pick-up
• Shaped Handle
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I'd say there was a gentle concave to that NV, no? Still a jolly nice bat though. :)
From the H4L's website description for it:
Quick Overview
The NV has been developed with the modern cricketer in mind. With thick edges and a elongated sweet spot, combined with a beautifully balanced pick up this bat is perfect for the all-round stroke player.
• Premium Grade 1 English Willow
• Concave Shaped Spine
• Extra Thick Edges
• Bowed Blade
• Huge Sweet Spot
• Light Pick-up
• Shaped Handle
Very gentle, I guess. There are website descriptions of bats, and then there are the bats that we actually pick. The two aren't always exactly the same... ;)
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Have to agree bats without concaving perform better across the full face of the blade.
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Very gentle, I guess. There are website descriptions of bats, and then there are the bats that we actually pick. The two aren't always exactly the same... ;)
Really? That's dented my faith in batmakers a bit. :(
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Purely from knocking in bats of each type, I have noticed a slightly better mallet response off centre in the non-concaved bats. It's especially evident on something like the Newbery Tour or Affinity Carbine and I have even explored this in one of my videos: Newbery Tour vs. Gray-Nicolls Powerspot. Of course, mallet response doesn't necessarily equate to the same performance out in the middle, though.
Having thought about this, I believe that a concaved bat would only have a few mm (I guess roughly 4-6mm max.) less wood behind it off centre than a non-concaved/convex one, so it's really not much of a difference, and as others have said, pressing is more important to the performance...
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Really? That's dented my faith in batmakers a bit. :(
It shouldn't. My point was mainly that when you hand-pick bats you come across anomalies quite a lot...
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Surely if a bat doesn't measure up to what it's marketed as (and therefore what the customer expects and thinks they're getting), then the manufacturer shouldn't sell it! ???
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Surely if a bat doesn't measure up to what it's marketed as (and therefore what the customer expects and thinks they're getting), then the manufacturer shouldn't sell it! ???
If we are saying that no concaving is a good thing, then why would you be put off and grumbling about getting a bat in the weight you wanted, but without the concaving that is suppose to be there?
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In my opinion, the most important factor in the performance of a bat is the pressing. The quality of the piece of willow will also have an obvious impact. You can be a dab hand at pressing but a dud cleft will make a dud bat.
Removing wood from various areas of the back of the bat affects balance and pick up more than anything. In my opinion concaving has little impact on performance, if any.
If removing wood from the back of the bat made such a difference then the GN scoop would be the worst bat ever made.
I have owned concaved and non concaved bats, some of my favourites including the best performing bat I've ever owned have been concaved.
AMEN!!!! This is correct!!! there is so much BS about what putting wood here and there does, but it has very little effect on the performance - outside of pick up.
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I believe distribution of weight plays a big part similarly to pressing of a cricket bat. So I generally like non or minimally concaved bats.
Also not in to big bats with lighter clefts , I feel end of the day what matters is weight not the size.
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If we are saying that no concaving is a good thing, then why would you be put off and grumbling about getting a bat in the weight you wanted, but without the concaving that is suppose to be there?
If I order a white and blue long-sleeved striped shirt with a button-down collar, and I receive a white and blue long-sleeved striped shirt with a normal collar, I'd be kind of hacked off. Whether concaving is a good thing or not is irrelevant really. The point is, you're not getting what was expected, and what you ordered. As with the shirt, you'd have every right to send it back, no?
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Bats are not complicated as people think.
Plain and simple your telling me volume does not make a difference in a bat, behave of course it does but other factors like hand speed and other variables come into it.
I hear pressing is most important yet do you know how to press a cleft to get the maximum out of the said cleft and what variables are they there.
Handles they not important too. Of course they are get a well pressed bat in accordance with the cleft and stick in a crap handle see what happens.
The issue is simple get a well pressed bat in accordance with the cleft allowance's with the best handle possible in your desired type and give it a bit of love and knocking you will not notice the difference between concaved and non.
But most group press and chance the variables plain and simple.
Oh and a bit of talent.
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Really? That's dented my faith in batmakers a bit. :(
There will almost always be variations, regardless of batmaker... If you asked for a custom and didn't get it, then fair enough, but stock shapes shaped by hand do have variations. If the bat was the same size, but less concave than usual due to the cleft being slightly lighter, you have more wood in the hitting zone so I'm not sure why you would complain if that happened!
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Yep, absolutely. Wood's a natural product and clefts aren't the same, and so on. I'm saying if you're expecting a bat that's say, described as having a pronounced concave and you end up with something that's appreciably different, you'd be well within your right to ask a few questions. Thasall. :)
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Description says a concaved spine. It doesn't specify how much concaving there is and it certainly doesn't say "pronounced".
And how we interpret the amount of concaving is very subjective as we've seen many time on this forum.
I can see a little bit of concaving there, so to me there is no issue...