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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: Manormanic on June 04, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
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Test squads announced tomorrow - with Pietersen Trott and Swann gone and no mystery chucker to call upon, there are plenty of places up for grabs.
This is cricinfo's take:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-sri-lanka-2014/content/current/story/750299.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-sri-lanka-2014/content/current/story/750299.html)
On Sky yesterday, Bumble named half the Yorkshire side whilst Knight and Atherton were more circumspect.
Who'd you go for?
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Hales
Lyth
Bell
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Buttler
Rashid
Jordan
Anderson
Plunkett
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Suspect Cook might get a look in...
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Suspect Cook might get a look in...
Not in my team.... Although I was happy to see him have some bite yesterday rather than just being a "nice guy"
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fair enough. He'd be in my team, minus an armband...
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fair enough. He'd be in my team, minus an armband...
We all know he'll play and be skip. Unfortunately from atleast one point.
Side will more likely be
Carberry
Cook
Bell
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Prior
Bresnan/Borthwick
Jordan
Broad
Anderson
The same side minus Jordan that was dicked in aus.
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Cook
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Root
Bell
*******
Stokes
Prior
*******
*******
Broad
Finn
Anderson
Could stick in any 4 in that team. It will those 7 that make the difference :-(
Knowing Moores he'll pick some average cricketers based on their batting/bowling average and ignore quality players.
Saying goodbye to players who should be in the team - Monty, KP
Not ready for test cricket but are talented:-
Jordan
Ballance
Buttler
Moores naff pick - Gurney - not seen him move a ball off the straight. Read/Foster - great keepers but not test batsman and too old. Might pick a team of allrounders who can't do anything great at test level. According to the press everybody has a chance now, which I don't think is a good thing. Either Moores is clueless or nobody is outstanding.
If Samit wasn't such a non-turning pie chucker I would like to see him have a run as an allrounder (he is my role model after all).
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Will look something like this I'd imagine.
If someone is already in but could bat in a number of places I've put them in brackets :D
Cook*
Carberry/Robson/(Root)
Bell/Compton/(Root)
Ballance/(Root)
Root/(Bell)
Stokes
Prior+/Butler+
Jordan/Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
Gurney/Tredwell
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I guess the options are
Openers : Cook/Root/Carberry/Robson/Compton
Middle order : Bell/Morgan/Ballance (+Root)
Keepers : Prior/Buttler
All rounders : Stokes/Ali/Patel/Borthwick
Bowlers : Anderson/Broad/Jordan/Finn/Plunkett
Long shots (in my opinion the players who may, or may not deserve a call up but would be shockers if they actually were) :
Lyth
Vince
Taylor (Seems to have had a fall out somewhere along the line)
Rashid
Foster
Gurney
What I think we'll see :
Cook
Root
Bell
Morgan
Ballance
Borthwick(switched with Stokes)/Ali
Prior
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Anderson
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Why does Root always make it into your guys teams? He wouldn't even make the NZ side. Definition of "Overrated".
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Why does Root always make it into your guys teams? He wouldn't even make the NZ side. Definition of "Overrated".
Because it's the team we expect the selectors to pick, not who I want it to be
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likely squad for me (13 players...)
cook
Robson
ballance
bell
Morgan
Ali
prior
stokes
broad
Anderson
Jordan
plunkett
guerney
not the team I would select, however...
I don't understand why Root is a nailed on certainty. he got dropped...
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Cook
Compton
Robson
Root
Bell
Ballance
Stokes
Prior
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson
Finn
Ali
Jordan
Buttler as back ups
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Why people put joe root in the top 4 is beyond me! Stick him at 5 for the next 2/3 years and then watch him fly! England will be guilty of doing to him what they did to Bell! Bell played for about 3 years constantly at 5 and became one of the worlds best batsman. The pressure is slightly off batting there
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I always look at the guys you least like to play. I imagine SL won't be too upset facing Compton, Robson, ballance or gurney and Treadwell. We really must have some better batting or bowling than that?
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Good thread
Can i just ask why not a single person on here has not got james foster in the side you would like or the side the selectors might pick?
Just curious
He's in my side for the first test hands down
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Why people put joe root in the top 4 is beyond me! Stick him at 5 for the next 2/3 years and then watch him fly! England will be guilty of doing to him what they did to Bell! Bell played for about 3 years constantly at 5 and became one of the worlds best batsman. The pressure is slightly off batting there
I want arguably our best batsmen in his best position and I'm wiling to give root 2 years to grow. Same with the rest of the batsmen. Just play them for a year or two and allow them to develop. Might even play buttler instead of prior to do the same.
Capts a problem, no natural leader :(
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Fresh start anyone :D?
D Mitchell
S Robson
M Ali
J Vince
Adam Lyth (No space up top :-[)
W Gidman
J Buttler
C Jordan
T Roland-Jones
J Brooks
H Gurney
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Good thread
Can i just ask why not a single person on here has not got james foster in the side you would like or the side the selectors might pick?
Just curious
He's in my side for the first test hands down
Too old
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Good thread
Can i just ask why not a single person on here has not got james foster in the side you would like or the side the selectors might pick?
Just curious
He's in my side for the first test hands down
Proven before he can't do it at international level, not worth another go now Buttler's looking for the position as well.
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Cook captain best player
Carberry did as well as any one v aus is anyone really better ??
Compton only player like trott has two test hundreds
Bell quality
Root/Ballance prob root as bowls and ballance bats too low in Lvcc scores runs when top order have worn opening bowlers down (should bat higher for yorks when root away
Ali better bat and bowler than Patel
Stokes great ashes needs time
Prior picked on reputation needs to find form if injured buttler
Jordan
Broad
Anderson
Patel and to an extent Ballance both bat too low in championship cricket need to bat higher
Robson still not convinced he's the real deal
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I doubt there will be a pitch for the test series .... gonna look all green :D
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Although Morgan excites me (in the same way that nudie women and Sherbert DibDabs do) - how the hell is he anywhere near anyone's test side?
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Morgan has scored decent championship runs and is a proven international batsman.
he also has a brain and some flare, which is unusual in this set up.
he was also given the nod and has his county coach as a selector.
other than that. no real reason.
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Cook
Root (Another chance)
Compton (Best player for number 3 except Bell)
Bell
Taylor (Really deserve another chance)
Kieswetter ( Best Keeper except for Prior who need to get back on fitness)
Stokes
Broad
Anderson
Finn
Kerrigan ( best spinner by far in the england team right now )
Reserve:
Moeen Ali
Carberry
James Foster/ Buttler
Morgan
Ballance
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Morgan should be nowhere near the side in my opinion, many more deservant players, he's hardly scored that well in county championship, has had no consistency over the last few seasons and appeared out of form in the ODI's.
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Morgan has scored decent championship runs and is a proven international batsman.
he also has a brain and some flare, which is unusual in this set up.
he was also given the nod and has his county coach as a selector.
other than that. no real reason.
Don't give me no jibber-jabber fool!
He is not a consistent 4 day run scorer and has already failed at test-level, he's far too maverick for team England set-up and thinking, and Big Gus will not been seen to push for him.
However - you are correct! He has a brain, and he would bring something different to test cricket - so no chance of him getting selected then :D
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fogive me for pointing this out, but cricket is supposed to be a spectator sport at professional level (a fact often forgetten ..)
as we had in the ashes in Aus fast bowling is the biggest spectacle in cricket, followed by destructive batting.
so picking a team of blockers and nurderlers will hardle endear the team to the fans or remove the Kp "noise"
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Bring back Samit for me...
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First post in a while! Here goes:
Cook
Robson
Bell
Ballance
Morgan
Ali
Prior (If fit) Buttler
Stokes
Jordan
Broad
Anderson
Personally, i'd like Taylor instead of Ballance, but maybe he gets on too well with KP or something as they don't seem to like him! Also, would like to see Carberry get one last decent go, but unfortunately he looks out of form at a crucial time. Yes he's 33, but Chris Rogers has done ok for the number 1 test team (who smashed us)
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Cook
Robson
Compton
Bell
Root
Ali
Prior/Buttler
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Anderson
Strength in depth on the batting front, with Jordan a very handy number 10. Only thing that worries me with the batting line up in is slow nature of the scoring, suppose Ali or Prior could be moved up in certain situations.
Confident that all four seamers can take wickets and make life difficult for the Sri Lankan's. I think it's time to find out what Ali has in the spin department too.
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fogive me for pointing this out, but cricket is supposed to be a spectator sport at professional level (a fact often forgetten ..)
as we had in the ashes in Aus fast bowling is the biggest spectacle in cricket, followed by destructive batting.
so picking a team of blockers and nurderlers will hardle endear the team to the fans or remove the Kp "noise"
Err, no, all professional sport is a business these days. Gone are the days when they put spectators before money and victory.
The selectors are there to pick the team they think will do the best job in winning the games. If that is to draw a lot and win a few, rather than gamble on egotistical batsmen and hot-or-cold bowlers then so be it.
For those who say Root is overrated, he has had a very good average, just fallen off a bit in the last twelve months and is still extremely young for international cricket. He has the potential to be one of the best batsman in the world. A bit of stability, either in one position for a couple of years or a season back at county level will help massively.
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Err, no, all professional sport is a business these days. Gone are the days when they put spectators before money and victory.
The selectors are there to pick the team they think will do the best job in winning the games. If that is to draw a lot and win a few, rather than gamble on egotistical batsmen and hot-or-cold bowlers then so be it.
For those who say Root is overrated, he has had a very good average, just fallen off a bit in the last twelve months and is still extremely young for international cricket. He has the potential to be one of the best batsman in the world. A bit of stability, either in one position for a couple of years or a season back at county level will help massively.
Professional sport is a business, and you make money by winning games and attracting people to buy stuff/tickets at those games.
Sadly, the difference between winning, and winning like in 2005 is that if you do it in the style of 2005, a wider population becomes interested and you potentially drive up revenues thanks to this interest.
If you do it in the nudging, nurdling, boring manner, you get no-one feeling any passion and no-one wanting to spend any money.
Whether you do make make more money by losing in style than by simply winning, I don't know, but you'd get equal TV coverage.... Unfortunately this is England, so winning boring is better than losing in style...!
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Pro sport is ow run as a business where the £ is he most important. The trouble is, the game will only survive and heaven forbid grow (in this country) when England are an attractive team to watch. I want in cricket at the time but 2005 dragged cricket from the grave, the older guys say it was dead and buried. 2005 got the media going, got the paying public going and made people who had fallen out for the game or never played it come back/start. The legacy of that series is all the kids teams you see now.
As much as the ECB goes on about chance to shine reaching millions more kids.. I suspect that again, the numbers of playin adults and kids is dropping and dropping fast again.
By all means play to win but it'll be pointless being ECB premier league champs in 15 years if only a very small amount of people play the game.
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Difference being the 2005 was on terrestrial tv, ie. everyone could watch it. England also had the personalities to market better. Both equalled more awareness and hype. I'm not sure the 2010-12 version a less attractive team to watch, they scored at a fair clip until negative tactics and painfully slow decks slowed them down. What they didn't have was the same level of hype to make people believe they were playing exciting cricket. People gloss over how boring and negative Ashley Giles was, for example!
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What time is the side announced at?
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Surprised no room for Ben stokes and woaked selected over him. Drop the standout player for England in the ashes!
Onions must be disappointed to be overlooked again for plunkett.
No front line spinner either.
It was the perfect chance to move away from prior and select buttler.
At least bresnan has been finally been dropped
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Squad Alastair Cook, Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Stuart Broad, Chris Jordan, Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Sam Robson, Joe Root, Chris Woakes
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Woakes 12th man?
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Nice long tail should the top order fail!plunkett has wheels,would love him add another 5mph so he's bowling 90 plus regularly..
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Squad Alastair Cook, Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Stuart Broad, Chris Jordan, Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Sam Robson, Joe Root, Chris Woakes
Woakes? - he'll be in the XI :-(
Ballance must of kissed some serious (No Swearing Please), not convinced by him at all. Ali is fair enough. I doubt spin will play much part at the moment if the weather stays like this. Reckon Jordon will miss out.
Stokes must be seriously hacked off. Not sure what more he could of done. One of our few convincing players in the ashes.
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Good to see Plunkett back, apparently he has been bowling wheels.
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So stokes hasn't played enough cricket so that's why he's not selected yet prior's played only 1 game and gets the nod :s
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1 - Cook
2 - Robson
3 - Root
4 - Balance
5 - Bell
6 - Ali
7 - Prior
8 - Plunkett
9 - Jordan
10 - Broad
11 - Anderson
12 - Woakes
long batting line up - Whats Stokes done wrong?
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It will be:-
Cook
Robson
Root
Bell
Ballance
Ali
Woakes :-(
Prior
Broad
Plunkett
Anderson
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Surprised no room for Ben stokes and woaked selected over him. Drop the standout player for England in the ashes!
Onions must be disappointed to be overlooked again for plunkett.
No front line spinner either.
It was the perfect chance to move away from prior and select buttler.
At least bresnan has been finally been dropped
Onions is injured and Stokes has played 1 game in a long time due to injury!! Makes sense to me
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Onions is injured and Stokes has played 1 game in a long time due to injury!! Makes sense to me
Fair enough for onions then, didn't know that.
The same selection policy should be used for prior! He's only played the 1 FC game in a couple of months
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The team will be in batting order
1: A Cook
2: S Robson
3: J Root
4: I Bell
5: G Ballance
6: M Ali
7: M Prior
8: S Broad
9: C Jordon
10: L Plunkett
11: J Anderson
I think Woaksey will miss out
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BORING BORING BORING ENGLAND.
same old bs
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Stokes is a joke and double standards:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/10876986/England-v-Sri-Lanka-Ben-Stokes-likely-to-miss-out-on-Test-selection-against-Sri-Lanka-while-Matt-Prior-could-feature.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/10876986/England-v-Sri-Lanka-Ben-Stokes-likely-to-miss-out-on-Test-selection-against-Sri-Lanka-while-Matt-Prior-could-feature.html)
Complete lack of class in that team, no KP,Stokes (our best perfomers with the bat in the ashes while Cook went awol) and Monty (best spinner in the country and a proven test match bowler). Instead we pick journeymen allrounders and modest batsman. Jordan is promising but not the finished article to upset test batsman and he's not in the same class as Stokes for batting. Always going to happen with Moores in charge again.
Pleased for Plunkett, he's worked hard to get back.
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The team will be in batting order
1: A Cook
2: S Robson
3: J Root
4: I Bell
5: G Ballance
6: M Ali
7: M Prior
8: S Broad
9: C Jordon
10: L Plunkett
11: J Anderson
I think Woaksey will miss out
I think broad will be at 10 - but otherwise agree with the line up and that woakes is likely to miss out.
But really, who is going to get on with it in this line up until Prior comes in?
I am really not impressed with this team... :(
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Disappointed for Stokes.
Alastair Cook (Capt)
Sam Robson
Ian Bell
Joe Root
Gary Ballance
Moeen Ali
Matt Prior
Chris Jordan
Stuart Broad
Liam Plunkett
James Anderson
4 seamers with some part time spin from Ali and Root. Doubt spin will get much of a look in though
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I think broad will be at 10 - but otherwise agree with the line up and that woakes is likely to miss out.
But really, who is going to get on with it in this line up until Prior comes in?
I am really not impressed with this team... :(
Other than it's lack of a specialist spinner, it's a good team.
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I think Woakes is just keeping Stokes place warm until he's fully match fit. The only way I think Woakes plays is if he bats at 6 instead of Ali, and I think with no specialist spinner they are more likely to go with Ali at the moment. Once Stokes is back in the fold I'd suggest Ali, Root and Ballance are playing for 2 places. I'd personally go with Giraffe's top 7. Sorting Broad, Jordan and Plunkett out at 8,9,10 is a nice problem to have.
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I think Samit was a better option than Ballance. Not sure how threatening he would be on a turning wicket but if you are playing Ali as a off spinner and the oppo are mainly right handers then Samit offers something turning away. Think could of also slipped Rashid as well.
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I think Woakes is just keeping Stokes place warm until he's fully match fit. The only way I think Woakes plays is if he bats at 6 instead of Ali, and I think with no specialist spinner they are more likely to go with Ali at the moment. Once Stokes is back in the fold I'd suggest Ali, Root and Ballance are playing for 2 places. I'd personally go with Giraffe's top 7. Sorting Broad, Jordan and Plunkett out at 8,9,10 is a nice problem to have.
Could be right but if Jordan plays blinder and Plunkett does well, do you go with 5 seamers? Far safer picking Woakes and watching him pick up 1-100 :)
Jordan, bags of potential but he worries me:-
1. Crap run up
2. Hardly line and length, or massively rapid either - soft slow seaming deck I'm not convinced he will keep the pressure on
3. Doesn't swing the ball or move it much, normally important for getting test players out
Point 3 also applies to Woakes as well but I trust him to bowl length. Depends on what England think they need from the 4th seamer.
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Alastair Cook (Capt)
Sam Robson
Ian Bell
Joe Root
Gary Ballance
Moeen Ali
Matt Prior
Chris Jordan
Stuart Broad
Liam Plunkett
James Anderson
Spin shouldn't feature a lot on our wickets at the moment! So not a bad thing to leave the spinning duites to Ali and Root. They can both hold up an end ok, and I rate Ali better than 'part time' spinner.
I don't think it's too bad for a Test team. On paper it looks like a reasonable batting line-up. But the thing I like is that they have been chosen from recent form too.....so Plunkett and Jordan who have both shown decent form have nailed a place.
I'm sure Stoakes will secure a place when he is fully fit.
Just not convinced that Prior is 100% fit at the moment!! So I would have preferred to see someone else take the gloves until Prior proves his form and fitness? I know people are saying that Buttler is a good option and I realise that he looks good in the shorter formats, but not sure he is ready for Test level yet at International level?
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Must admit the new faces and competition in the line up excites me a bit, for too long its been the same old faces
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1: A Cook
2: S Robson
3: J Root
4: I Bell
5: G Ballance
6: M Ali
7: M Prior
8: S Broad
9: C Jordon
10: L Plunkett
11: J Anderson
Looks to me to be the pickings of a good team capable of beating Sri Lanka. I'm sure Stokes will play a role over the series.
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I'd have Ali at 3 Root 5 Ballance 6
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Stokes needs some preperation in county cricket I think, as long as he performs well he should be nailed in for the India series. I think Broad will/should bat above Jordan.
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Still think Stokes should've been in! #MooresOut
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Stokes needs some preperation in county cricket I think, as long as he performs well he should be nailed in for the India series. I think Broad will/should bat above Jordan.
How many overs does a 4th seamer need? Whittaker trotted out the line he has only bowled 36 championship overs, conveniently excluding limited overs cricket. He's played more cricket than Prior.
23, 2/70, 0/21 Durham v Middlesex Chester-le-Street 1 Jun 2014 FC
5, 1/5 Durham v Notts Nottingham 30 May 2014 T20
1/25, 1 Durham v Lancashire Chester-le-Street 29 May 2014 T20
3/70, 61 Durham v Notts Nottingham 25 May 2014 FC
47, 4/23 Durham 2nd v Derby 2nd XI Brandon 21 May 2014 Other T20
35, 0/30 Durham 2nd v Derby 2nd XI Brandon 21 May 2014 Other T20
54, 2/22 Durham 2nd v Notts 2nd XI Nottingham 19 May 2014 Other T20
0/30, 39 Durham 2nd v Notts 2nd XI Nottingham 19 May 2014 Other T20
#MooresOut
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How many overs does a 4th seamer need? Whittaker trotted out the line he has only bowled 36 championship overs, conveniently excluding limited overs cricket. He's played more cricket than Prior.
#MooresOut
Surely Stokes at 80% fitness is a better option than a fully Woakes!
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Woakes has performed really well in the last couple of seasons and I think people's views on him are a bit stained by his single test appearance and white ball international cricket . Not saying he should be in ahead of Stokes on performance alone but he's still a quality player.
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Is Stokes in form? It's one thing bowling a few overs coming back from injury, but if he is still finding form what's the point in throwing him in. Let him bowl in the LV then play the next or following test, I don't see the rush.
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No need to rush - give him time to get back into fitness and find his rhythm and form!
In the meantime play the available players!
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when was the last time we played with no genuine x factor player?
KP-Flintoff- Vaughan-Harmison- trescothic-gough - feels like about the late 90's...
I suppose Anderson should be rated as an x factor player - but the lack of charisma in this team is a little depressing.
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when was the last time we played with no genuine x factor player?
KP-Flintoff- Vaughan-Harmison- trescothic-gough - feels like about the late 90's...
I suppose Anderson should be rated as an x factor player - but the lack of charisma in this team is a little depressing.
Give them time to settle and a bit of confidence, some of these young lads might have some.
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when was the last time we played with no genuine x factor player?
KP-Flintoff- Vaughan-Harmison- trescothic-gough - feels like about the late 90's...
I suppose Anderson should be rated as an x factor player - but the lack of charisma in this team is a little depressing.
What defines an x factor player, and is it perhaps that's there is so many new players in the side?
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The selectors might look a bit silly now not selecting a front line spinner given the warm weather recently and with the weather due to continue for the test match
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don't think so - Lords will be either green or a road. In either instance, a spinner is going to do little to Sri Lanka's top order that four seamers can't...
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And Mr Cook could bring himself on to bowl some flight end filth with a silly mid wicket, short mid wicket and Two mid wickets to prove he's a good captain! ;)