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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Buzz on July 23, 2014, 03:05:31 PM
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It is batting coaching
and it is from Mark Ramprakash.
Thank you All Out Cricket
How to hold the bat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY2fHVQekFw&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY2fHVQekFw&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)
The Stance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurpSavwvsQ&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurpSavwvsQ&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)
The Back lift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svWej4YDCg&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svWej4YDCg&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)
apparently there are more to come too
Marvellous.
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really liked the one about the grip. having never really had any coaching it might help my game as its usually very bottom handed
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Mr Buzz
Can you please sticky this thread please.
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Here are the next three...
How to choose your guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjzLWaLT2Io&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjzLWaLT2Io&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)
How to play spin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTSTOCCTZM&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTSTOCCTZM&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)
How to use a tri**** movement (dirty word removed ;))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvrXWOJJfI&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvrXWOJJfI&list=UUms-xnI50pEtJC06xdw4J6A)
actually this is the best conversation I have seen about a trigger movement in a long time
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Very useful for someone like me who's working hard on batting, hope he does one on forward defensive and playing on the front and back foot specifically. I know he's sort of gone through it but an out and out video on it would be nice.
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So it turns out that Mark Ramprakash has taken on Goochies role as batting coach - which is brilliant news.
He is responsible for Cook's change in technique and improvements too.
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Best part of the forum the bits on technique, no bickering about pressing, bat makers, prices etc
After getting 40, 50, 60 in my last 3 innings decided my technique was a little off, felt like I'm planting my foot on off stump.
What do you reckon to opening my stance a little so my back leg is on centre and front leg on leg?
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how about just opening your front foot slightly and keeping your back foot where it is usually?
I would try a few different things in the nets which are simple changes that can be embedded quickly.
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Sounds like a better plan Buzz, cheers
Check out my suggestion in the mirror and it very open. Will move it slightly and get my head forward in the stance
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i found the trigger movements useful. i found alot of the time i was feeling unsteady on my feet or not moving them at all.
i now press slighter forward on the ball of my front foot so far feeling much better
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This type of short video is just what I need. As someone who came to cricket late in life (39) I suppose I need all the help I can get! Thanks for posting!
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For those with a subscription to the Times, have some Jos Buttler master classes (worth buying a £1 months trial for these...!)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/cricket/article4276798.ece (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/cricket/article4276798.ece)
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http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage (http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage)
This is brilliant.
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more from KP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4n49RCuFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4n49RCuFs)
this next one is brilliant especially - working in head and hand position
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIFQYuU6vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIFQYuU6vw)
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great stuff. thanks Buzz
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There are sure to be lots of little snippets during the Eng NZ series. Also supposed to be a Gilchrist masterclass out soon.
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I realise this is in the wrong thread - but here is a video on how to bowl out and in swing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmc_1ACBiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmc_1ACBiM)
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[url]http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage[/url] ([url]http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/9838067/kevin-pietersen-gave-a-six-hitting-masterclass-in-the-zone-on-skys-ipl-coverage[/url])
This is brilliant.
It is. One of the finest I've ever seen.
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Thanks for the links
I've been watching tip videos all week when bored in work, and tried to put some into practice last night.
I just couldn't get comfortable at the crease. I guess it's just due to doing things differently for the first time
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Wicket Keeping Masterclass (Heals, Punter and Warne)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMhEw-lqRz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMhEw-lqRz4)
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This is a good page on drop feeds and how to use them and what to use them for - These are really good for starting or groving a new technique ahead of using a bowling machine or going into a net
http://www.sportplan.net/drills/Cricket/Techniques/Sample-drop-feed-tfc029.jsp (http://www.sportplan.net/drills/Cricket/Techniques/Sample-drop-feed-tfc029.jsp)
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This is way better than my video on hitting through the leg side!!
https://youtu.be/whrZOG5R1zc
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not sure if this has been posted but...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1vszMKbrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1vszMKbrE)
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10251315/ipl-zone-staying-still (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10251315/ipl-zone-staying-still)
This is great about staying still and backlift
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Top post Buzz
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Good tips thanks
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Tips from Kohli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPp-Afdc7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPp-Afdc7o)
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Not a video, but it is Kumar talking about batting.
It is therefore a must read for technique boffins.
And everyone else.
http://alloutcricket.com/alloutsurrey/aos9/#16 (http://alloutcricket.com/alloutsurrey/aos9/#16)
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It appears that the AB De Villiers masterclasses/stuff are appearing up on Youtube
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KjO0Xmkdm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KjO0Xmkdm4)
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyaSNZudZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyaSNZudZc)
I imagine Part 3 will appear shortly but there's great stuff on fielding in that one, dude is a freak
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Finch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K6ba1NXXvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K6ba1NXXvg)
Ashwin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCaFMnHdb0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCaFMnHdb0)
Hayden (short tip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWEhuSIi5e4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWEhuSIi5e4)
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Joe Root did some videos with Simon Hughes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M334W6cwRk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M334W6cwRk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOZKnNB75_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOZKnNB75_M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19TNZIxIL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V19TNZIxIL0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BunBn6DJ0nE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BunBn6DJ0nE)
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When I had a lot of technical issues i saw a coach who gave me some well meaning advise, to bat in my stance with the bat between my legs rather than in 'normal position . I tried this a lot. It did not feel comfortable doing it.
So I watched ramprakash videos over and over again and just took one thing from it-balance.
So just tried to copy what I saw ramps doing and its def helped.original stance but just worked on balance at the crease-trying to stop the head going over to offside(right handed)
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If anyone has the sky sports app, there was a video of Flintoff and Key doing a similar thing last night too...
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If anyone has the sky sports app, there was a video of Flintoff and Key doing a similar thing last night too...
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo (http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo)
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[url]http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10953314/andrew-flintoff-and-rob-key-renew-battle-in-cricket-demo[/url])
The Wasim Akram tip about the thumb is very interesting, might give it a go next time I'm in the nets.
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Sky sports did a video on ab de villiers called "white ball king". I think the skysports original link below is only accessible to UK viewers.
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10210288/ab-de-villiers-masterclass-white-ball-king (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10210288/ab-de-villiers-masterclass-white-ball-king)
Anyone has link to this video accessible to non UK viewers.
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Masterclass with KP http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass)
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Masterclass with KP [url]http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10966164/kevin-pietersen-masterclass[/url])
This is particularly good. Lots of focus on playing/watching the ball and moving your head to the ball to play your shots. Keep batting simple.
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Excellent stuff the KP video.head is so important most of us are not that good we can do without foot movement but balance and a still head is all I work on in winter practice
Love him or hate him he's a fantastic batsman
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Always loved the KP approach to batting, very disappointed his international career was shorten, anyone able to share link that can be watched down under?
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Masterclass with Marcus Trescothick http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/11026651/marcus-trescothick-masterclass (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/11026651/marcus-trescothick-masterclass)
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To add to the "Don't worry about footwork" school of thought, there is a story about Majid Khan by Peter Walker in his book Cricket Conversation:
At the windswept, icy county ground in Derby in 1969, Majid put
on the most memorable exhibition of batting skills it has been my good
fortune personally to witness. It took place in the Derbyshire nets
during one of those seemingly endless breaks waiting for the heavy
overnight rain to drain through a waterlogged outfield. Huddled around
the medieval dressing-room brazier thoughtfully provided by the Derby
committee to combat the spine-chilling draughts that used to waft
through the racecourse ground pavilion, the former headquarters of the
county, the Glamorgan team's conversation turned to the art of
batting.
We had just come from a game against Sussex where Jim Parks Jnr had
made a hundred against us on an unpredictable wicket. We agreed that it
was the speed and precision of his footwork that had kept us, and Don
Shepard in particular, at bay. At that time, Shepard was one of the
country's most feared bowlers, a man of immaculate length and
direction who bowled off-breaks at a brisk medium pace. On a turning
wicket he was virtually unplayable, and touring teams in this country
had gone away from games against Glamorgan at Swansea with a sigh of
relief that the myopic England selectors did not include him in any of
the Test sides.
While the discussion continued to and fro across the brazier,
Majid, never at any stage of his career a talkative man, sat silent,
orientally impassive. It was only when we had appeared to have
exhausted all line of debate that he spoke : "You don't need any
footwork in batting, just hands and eye". In terms of length, this
amounted to a major speech from Majid, then in his second season with
Glamorgan, having joined on a special registration in 1968, the year
after he had toured the UK with Pakistan. The Welsh county committee
had no doubt been influenced in their signing of him, by his innings
of 147 in eighty-nine minutes against Glamorgan at Swansea and the
fact that his father, the distinguished Indian cricketer Dr Jehangir
Khan, had been the pre-war Cambridge contemporary of Wilfred Wooller,
the Glamorgan secretary. These factors quickly helped to forge a bond
which was to last until 1976.
At Derby on that bleak day in June 1969, Glamorgan were on the
crest of a winning streak which lasted throughout the season,
culminating in them taking the Championship for the second time in
their first-class history with an unbeaten record to boot, the first
time this had been achieved since Lancashire in 1934. Success is a
heady brew and there were many challengers to Majid's claim that
footwork counted for nothing.
Within fifteen minutes, three of our front-line bowlers,
including Don Sheperd, lined up in a net outside with Majid padded up
at the other end about to have his theory demolished. For twenty
minutes, on a rough, unprepared, and quite-impossible-to-bat-on wicket
where the ball flew, shot, seamed and turned, Majid Khan stood
absolutely motionless, parrying the ball as it lifted, cutting or
hooking unerringly if it were wide, driving with frightening power if
overpitched and swaying out of harm's way when it lifted unexpectedly.
Unless he allowed it, not a single ball passed his bat, not a chance
was given, not a false stroke made. The bowlers were at full throttle,
yet by our own reckoning afterwards that twenty-minute session must
have yielded the young Pakistani around 75 runs ! He had just defied
every known textbook instruction, improvised strokes that just did not
exist and, without uttering a word, had emphatically made his point.
In the presence of genius, no rules apply.
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^ It is very easy to overthink batting and cloud your judgement. I find the biggest challenge this season was to keep my technique simple and my mind clear - neither happened. :D
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Kumar on batting. Part 1
https://youtu.be/uMmkpJqtFyU
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Another video with KP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc)
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Another video with KP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLUd99fqWc)
Not interested in how, it’s how many!
Love that!!
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I want KP to be my coach. :D
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" I kept things very very simple"hehe
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There were a load of AB de Villiers masterclasses on his cricketyard website, similar to this one on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz4sYGSVM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz4sYGSVM)
There was a great one about the ramp shot that I've been searching for but cricketyard.com is now defunct and I can't find it on youtube.
Any ideas?
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This is Steve Waugh and it is probably one of the best of these I have seen. Also I was at the SCG when he scored that last ball ton.
So much good stuff in this.
https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11809568/steve-waugh-masterclass-former-australia-captain-on-the-art-of-test-batting-and-his-supreme-career (https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11809568/steve-waugh-masterclass-former-australia-captain-on-the-art-of-test-batting-and-his-supreme-career)
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Thanks for posting, very good.
Much admired even thou he scored so many against us.
The small step movement just to transfer weight maybe something a few of us have worked on
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https://youtu.be/ehWkuHa2Jkw
Athers, Hussain and Butch talking batting guards and head position.
Yes please.
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Cracking watch that Buzz, would be interesting to see if the modes of dismissal have actually changed that much given the change in technique.
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https://youtu.be/ehWkuHa2Jkw
Athers, Hussain and Butch talking batting guards and head position.
Yes please.
Really good video. Poor old Sam Robson must wonder what he’s done to those three to have his technique ripped to shreds on national telly, but it’s a great discussion on a really questionable technique.
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Buzz already knows my thoughts on this video.
But batting on off stump is not in itself a questionable technique.
Robsons problem is that his head falls over and so he misses straight balls.
Shane Watson did this and batted on leg stump but was out LBW More than any other dismissal.
Your guard is categorically not the reason you are getting LBW, your head almost definitely is.
Batting on off stump doesn’t change your head, and neither does batting on leg stump.
As for Butcher saying that this technique “is just wrong” I wonder if he is aware that the only 2 players to average over 60 in test cricket in the last decade currently adopt this approach.
Kane Williamson - who most regard as the most technically adept player on the circuit, bats outside off stump!
If your fundamentals aren’t in check, you will get out wherever you bat. All that video shows is that more county batsman nowadays don’t play straight because they fall over, and don’t have their fundamentals in check.
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Really good video. Poor old Sam Robson must wonder what he’s done to those three to have his technique ripped to shreds on national telly, but it’s a great discussion on a really questionable technique.
Totally agree, if there are so many batsmen using this technique(there clearly are) then use 4 or 5 different ones not just Robson.
I'm firmly against following the MCC rule out as a Bible, but there are some basics you must do if your going to score runs, how you stand,backlift,head position all key.
If your standing on off as a right hander I can't see how you can hit straight without your bat coming from gully across the ball....clearly the players using this can do, it just seems flawed.
I thought Butch was blowing a gasket at one point :)
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Buzz already knows my thoughts on this video.
But batting on off stump is not in itself a questionable technique.
Robsons problem is that his head falls over and so he misses straight balls.
Shane Watson did this and batted on leg stump but was out LBW More than any other dismissal.
Your guard is categorically not the reason you are getting LBW, your head almost definitely is. Your guard also doesn’t change your head alignment in relation to your body.
Batting on off stump doesn’t change your head, and neither does batting on leg stump.
As for Butcher saying that this technique “is just wrong” I wonder if he is aware that the only 2 players to average over 60 in test cricket in the last decade currently adopt this approach.
Kane Williamson - who most regard as the most technically adept player on the circuit, bats outside off stump!
If your fundamentals aren’t in check, you will get out wherever you bat. All that video shows is that more county batsman nowadays don’t play straight because they fall over, and don’t have their fundamentals in check.
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Totally agree, if there are so many batsmen using this technique(there clearly are) then use 4 or 5 different ones not just Robson.
I'm firmly against following the MCC rule out as a Bible, but there are some basics you must do if your going to score runs, how you stand,backlift,head position all key.
If your standing on off as a right hander I can't see how you can hit straight without your bat coming from gully across the ball....clearly the players using this can do, it just seems flawed.
I thought Butch was blowing a gasket at one point :)
You hit straight the same way you would if your batting on leg? The shot doesn’t change.
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You hit straight the same way you would if your batting on leg? The shot doesn’t change.
Ok...where’s you head thou in the stance. If your on off isn’t your head naturally going to be outside off stump?
Or have I missed something?
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Ok...where’s you head thou in the stance. If your on off isn’t your head naturally going to be outside off stump?
Or have I missed something?
No, I stand with my right eye over my back leg (right handed) so wherever my back leg goes, my right eye stays over my back leg.
If you stand on leg with your eyes over off you’re already losing the battle?
It’s nigh on impossible to pick your head back up after it starts to fall over, and if your head is outside the line of your body then you’re already in the mire!
So, if I stand on off, my right eye stays on off, and my left eye and foot are on middle/middle and off.
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Surely they could have found a clip of Atherton playing an inswinger if they wanted to compare the techniques :D. Maybe Atherton playing against Waqar/Donald!
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Didn't think much of that to be honest! 20min of shredding Robson for falling over and playing across one, and somehow it gets blamed on where he's standing? If he stood on leg and fell over straight ones like that he'd just get bowled instead (see Bairstow, J). A proper conversation about why batting on off is getting more popular would have been a lot more interesting. Key would have added a lot here I think.
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It literally felt like an 'old guard' vs 'new guard' debate :D. Ideally it would have been nice to have someone who is pro 'new guard' in the discussion to get an opposing view.
It did seem unfair to target Robson. Isnt he among runs this season?
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Buzz already knows my thoughts on this video.
But batting on off stump is not in itself a questionable technique.
Robsons problem is that his head falls over and so he misses straight balls.
Shane Watson did this and batted on leg stump but was out LBW More than any other dismissal.
Your guard is categorically not the reason you are getting LBW, your head almost definitely is.
Batting on off stump doesn’t change your head, and neither does batting on leg stump.
As for Butcher saying that this technique “is just wrong” I wonder if he is aware that the only 2 players to average over 60 in test cricket in the last decade currently adopt this approach.
Kane Williamson - who most regard as the most technically adept player on the circuit, bats outside off stump!
If your fundamentals aren’t in check, you will get out wherever you bat. All that video shows is that more county batsman nowadays don’t play straight because they fall over, and don’t have their fundamentals in check.
Absolutely spot on! Steve Smith is another one who rarely gets LBW despite batting on/outside off. They should compare him and Williamson to the rest and show WHY Robson etc are struggling to hit straight balls. The guard is irrelevant- if your head falls over or if you plant your front foot, then obviously a leg stump guard is better, but you’re just papering over a key flaw in technique.
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Didn't think much of that to be honest! 20min of shredding Robson for falling over and playing across one, and somehow it gets blamed on where he's standing? If he stood on leg and fell over straight ones like that he'd just get bowled instead (see Bairstow, J). A proper conversation about why batting on off is getting more popular would have been a lot more interesting. Key would have added a lot here I think.
This
I’d take lbw over clean bowled Bairstow every single game
It’s not the technique or tactical position problem.. quite simply the batsmen aren’t very good .. unlike smith Etc
Bairstow stands leg side and gets cleaned up so hardly any better.
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In prep for Winter nets, Glenn Maxwell T20 masterclass:
https://youtu.be/yhNYBe3ZWgY
Enjoy.
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In prep for Winter nets, Glenn Maxwell T20 masterclass:
https://youtu.be/yhNYBe3ZWgY
Enjoy.
And Alex Carey... It's a masterclass bonanza:
https://youtu.be/4LPpugCBdhg
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This is amazing footage - Don Bradman batting. Look how his hands almost work independently of each other at times.
https://youtu.be/UcvglFW7OgQ?si=V-FlmzQadEh0MutY
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This is a nice video talking about how weight and shape of a bat will impact your technique
https://youtu.be/6XDikwX5n94?si=Tz2rMSAUAsWAVgte
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Great find, @Buzz
Really enjoyed that. I have written elsewhere- as I have got older, I have gone to a slightly lighter bat. Tried heavier ones but never really got that far with them. I wince remembering a really heavy bat I got at about 13 - totally my fault but made batting a nightmare.
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Yeah really loving these videos guys. Thankyou so much.
Loved the great Don video. I feel like I was born in the wrong era sometimes. How many times do I tell teammates
‘If you dont hit the ball in the air , you cant be caught’!
Also nice to know the older and heavier I get, its no surprise my bat has naturally had licence to get heavier too.
After pioneering that the best bat I ever had was 2,6 and more club adult bats needed to be that weight (for uncovered pitches). I never thought Id see the day Id be fussy that a bat is far too light, but here I am years later.
Amazing. Thanks alot beer!🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺😂
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This is a nice video talking about how weight and shape of a bat will impact your technique
https://youtu.be/6XDikwX5n94?si=Tz2rMSAUAsWAVgte
"Trial and error".
https://youtu.be/6XDikwX5n94?t=215
If your outfield is like a billiards table where ball just rolls off like professional/international fields, you can use bats same weight as pros (Ben Stokes' 2 lb 9oz bat :D ). Not all grounds have fast outfields, a pitch might be quick and bouncy and outfield might be slow and sandy. In such cases, you do need a heavy bat. If a ground has slow outfield and long boundaries, you NEED a heavy bat.
My preference is that if you can, use a heavier bat. Yes, I know that is not the conventional wisdom but if you are physically able it, it pays big dividends.
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Not quite sure I agree. I play on a low and slow pitch with huge square boundaries which flood for 2 months of the year, and my well-prepared and well looked-after 2.10 GM does me a lot better than when I used a 2.15 bat that was too big for my pool noodle arms. It helps my timing and technique, and a well-timed shot with a quality bat is a much better option for me than a bottom handed thwack with a tree trunk.
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I imagine bowling speed has a lot to say.
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Who knew a good old debate about head position and batting guard was what was needed to revive the forum?!
Great to see
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Who knew a good old debate about head position and batting guard was what was needed to revive the forum?!
Great to see
Totally agree! Well done, Buzz. Got the season started with some great posts. I can almost smell the cut grass.
PS to get back on thread - my t-rex arms couldn't waft a 2.15. I envy those that can!
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Not quite sure I agree. I play on a low and slow pitch with huge square boundaries which flood for 2 months of the year, and my well-prepared and well looked-after 2.10 GM does me a lot better than when I used a 2.15 bat that was too big for my pool noodle arms. It helps my timing and technique, and a well-timed shot with a quality bat is a much better option for me than a bottom handed thwack with a tree trunk.
2lb 15 oz is just too heavy but if you can wield it, good on you!
For some reason, message people are taking away from the posted video is that a light, tooth pick is something magical which is wrong. 2-10 / 2-11 are good weights if they work for you for the duration of an inning. In determining your ideal weight look at pace you face, pitch conditions, outfield conditions, boundary length, and your own fitness level. Considering all those factors, the easiest way to determine your ideal bat weight? "Trial and error", that's the man said & with which I agree.
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Totally agree. Tried a 2.10 a few years back (I play very village now). Found I was a bit late on things. Now using 2.8 - 2.9 sb/sh. Works a treat - but it's probably all psychological. 🤣
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Totally agree. Tried a 2.10 a few years back (I play very village now). Found I was a bit late on things. Now using 2.8 - 2.9 sb/sh. Works a treat - but it's probably all psychological. 🤣
An oz is 28 grams, or roughly a multi pack of Walkers crisps. Think of the emptying those crisps along the bat and handle, it's really not much weight and imo isn't the reason anytime would be noticably late on shots.
I'm not saying going up to 2lb 15pz is doable, but an oz here and there really is nothing
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An oz is 28 grams, or roughly a multi pack of Walkers crisps. Think of the emptying those crisps along the bat and handle, it's really not much weight and imo isn't the reason anytime would be noticably late on shots.
I'm not saying going up to 2lb 15pz is doable, but an oz here and there really is nothing
One way to hit the ball crisply…
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An oz is 28 grams, or roughly a multi pack of Walkers crisps. Think of the emptying those crisps along the bat and handle, it's really not much weight and imo isn't the reason anytime would be noticably late on shots.
I'm not saying going up to 2lb 15pz is doable, but an oz here and there really is nothing
Just out of interest (can't believe I've not asked you this before with all the times I've asked about bats), what do you reckon is the least amount of weight that really has noticeable effect on the average player's batting?
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Just out of interest (can't believe I've not asked you this before with all the times I've asked about bats), what do you reckon is the least amount of weight that really has noticeable effect on the average player's batting?
Great question!
Until you bat long enough in an inning, you really don't know. Also, until you face someone who's quick enough to make your bat seem slow. Pros do use lighter bats than clubbies and clubbies can get away with slightly heavier bats. Why? Pros face much faster pace than clubbies. An ex-pro or ex-first class/div 1 bowler would make a clubbie batter's bat seem heavy. :D Through "trial-and-error", you can find the adequate balance point for your bat weight - something for 80% (80-20 rule) of the conditions.
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Do you mean the least amount of weight you take out of a bat? Depends on lots of variables mate I suppose. How heavy that bat is to begin with, the players ability, fitness level, strength, opposition, balance of the bat etc etc.
My main point was, that I really think people obsess over scale/bat weight too much personally and it generally isn't an oz or so on a bat which will make all the difference. I've used a bat which I've scored a ton with and then struggled with it the following week (better attack, worse deck etc). So obviously not the bat is it?
Everyone's looking for the key which will unlock everything in an instant. The bats easy to change, amend etc. Much easier than getting better, fitter or working harder. I see it so much. Had a bloke once who I'd made a 2lb 7oz bat for. He'd been out LBW a few times and his overseas reckons it was due to his bat being too heavy. He wanted an oz out of it, so I did it as who am I to argue, it's his bat. Guess how he was out the following wknd?! 😆
As for the pro's, I'm not so sure they use bats much lighter than we do on the whole. They're just fitter, stronger, better etc. Seems to be a pattern here maybe?
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I was (and maybe still am a bit lol) an absolute obsessive over scale weight. Removing binding, toe guards, trimming handles and even grips to ensure it was below 2.8.5. Then last season, ‘accidentally on purpose’ I used a new bat without weighing it, felt great and hit a 50 in T20. Got home and made the mistake of weighing it and it was a grain of salt under 2.10.Even for an obsessive like me, the realisation hit home that ability and conditioning is way more important. My bat budget for this year has gone on 1-1 coaching, honestly the best money I’ve spent in cricket. Awaiting a golden first game now :D
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As for the pro's, I'm not so sure they use bats much lighter than we do on the whole. They're just fitter, stronger, better etc. Seems to be a pattern here maybe?
In absolute terms, they probably don't. When comparing their fitness, athleticism, and strength to a clubbie's, they absolutely do use lighter bats. Ben Stokes, with his physique and strength level, using a 2 lb 9oz bat means he is using a lighter bat.
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In absolute terms, they probably don't. When comparing their fitness, athleticism, and strength to a clubbie's, they absolutely do use lighter bats. Ben Stokes, with his physique and strength level, using a 2 lb 9oz bat means he is using a lighter bat.
So basically confirming my point. They use the same bats but get better results because they are fitter. Not all pro's use 2lbs 9oz either, summer use heavier bats. As do lots of cubbies.
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So basically confirming my point. They use the same bats but get better results because they are fitter. Not all pro's use 2lbs 9oz either, summer use heavier bats. As do lots of cubbies.
Not quite.
Here is my point: They use lighter bats for their strength/fitness level. They are not using "same bats" for the conditions they play in & fitness they possess. They could easily use heavier bats but they don't have to. Why? They are also playing on faster outfields and facing faster bowling. An international spinner bowls at 50 mph, that's considered medium pace in some club games. :D They can "time" their shots with their "lighter" (for their strenth level) bats and get a boundary because outfield is so fast. In a crappy club outfield, you have to power your shots hence heavier (for fitness level) bats are needed. You are comparing bats, players wielding, and field/playing conditions it as an apples-to-apples comparison which is wrong.
I am going to add something as well: they use shorter bats for their body lengths. Ben STokes at 6' or 6' 2'' using a standard SH men's bat ? That's a short bat for him. A 5'8'' playing using a SH bat is using something too long for him. The standard bat sizing is absolute poop and needs to be reconsidered.
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Not quite.
Here is my point: They use lighter bats for their strength/fitness level. They are not using "same bats" for the conditions they play in & fitness they possess. They could easily use heavier bats but they don't have to. Why? They are also playing on faster outfields and facing faster bowling. An international spinner bowls at 50 mph, that's considered medium pace in some club games. :D They can "time" their shots with their "lighter" (for their strenth level) bats and get a boundary because outfield is so fast. In a crappy club outfield, you have to power your shots hence heavier (for fitness level) bats are needed. You are comparing bats, players wielding, and field/playing conditions it as an apples-to-apples comparison which is wrong.
I am going to add something as well: they use shorter bats for their body lengths. Ben STokes at 6' or 6' 2'' using a standard SH men's bat ? That's a short bat for him. A 5'8'' playing using a SH bat is using something too long for him. The standard bat sizing is absolute poop and needs to be reconsidered.
Ben Stokes' bats actually often end up more like 2lb13oz+ with the number of grips he pops on. He's apparently not as fussed about dead weight IIRC from a conversation I've had with someone who's made his bats. Sachin also used a standard SH bat, and is more like 5'5 - he did more than alright. Chris Lynn used a shortened bat because it suited him, but was 6 foot. Mark Waugh used a slightly longer bat despite being the same height. I think KP used standard SH, but Chris Gayle used a LBLH setup or something like that. Given that I'm around 5'8, and the amount the toe of my bat is used, I'd say standard SH is pretty close to what I should be using. :D It's all purely a preference thing, I get that shorter bat means you can pack the willow into a more concentrated area, and in theory it would feel a bit lighter.
Thing about cricket bats is that if you were to absolutely optimise for everything, you'd probably still find many having issues with their bats, which as Jonny is trying to allude to, is more issues with fitness and techniques than the bat itself. Reality is, we all bat sub-optimally. Condition yourself to get the most out of your batting. Use something you like the feel of, and don't go too heavy. If I remember correctly, I think it was Gary Sandford who recommended going for as light as you are comfortable using.
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Another one I don't see mentioned often is where you grip the bat. If you're like me and grip from the top of the handle, the bat is in effect longer than someone who strangles it.
Does go some way to explaining how 5'5 Sachin, 5'8 Ben Duckett, etc use short handles perfectly comfortably.
Alternately, some people have very different stances which will effect it too. I do agree it would be nice to have more men's weight small adult bats as an option for the UK market as the Aussies seem to have cottoned on to this pretty well.