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Equipment => Bats => Willow and Willow Trees.... => Topic started by: @187no on August 13, 2014, 07:28:26 PM
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Any forum members have an opinion on performance willow should look and with how many grains ?
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Mate performance willow doesn't exist. You can get a G4 that can play as well as G1 its cosmetic mate. The old rule is close straight grains perform better but personally its all in the pressing if the bat.
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Performance willow is just a marketing term.
Sounds better in comparison to "grade one" or "test grade" than "grade 3/4"
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It can look like anything as long as it "performs"
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Isn't all willow performance willow? Why will you use non performing willow to make or buy a bat.
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All though it has no impact on performance i have heard it wrongly used as a term to describe the best straight grained white willow available.
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Some interesting comments thus far.
Would forum members pay more for performance willow or let us say grade 1 willow ?
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I think you might be talking about how it's pressed, soft press willow performer better early in their life compare to one that's hard pressed.
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Some interesting comments thus far.
Would forum members pay more for performance willow or let us say grade 1 willow ?
Personally I wouldn't pay full wack for G1 willow, or a bat marketed as performance willow!
My current match bat is a 404 Six6 I got off Jake and it perform sexually as well as (if not better than) my G1 chase.
So many other variables in what makes a decent bat.
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I think you might be talking about how it's pressed, soft press willow performer better early in their life compare to one that's hard pressed.
Soft (or unpressed) willow does not perform at all. Been there, got the t-shirt. Please try again.
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I owned couple of GM bats in past (original and 909), even after one year I didn't get same ping that I am getting from my H4L G2 bat. So yes I personally think pressing too hard is not good for performance...but they will last you very long. I rather go for performance.
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"Performance willow" is basically ugly looking willow (grade 2 or below), that basically in the eyes of a layman performs as good as a decent looking (ie grade 1).
(Grading clefts as I understand is simply done by looks as per wrights info.)
It helps batmakers to shift those ugly clefts at a more favourable price to them.
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I owned couple of GM bats in past (original and 909), even after one year I didn't get same ping that I am getting from my H4L G2 bat. So yes I personally think pressing too hard is not good for performance...but they will last you very long. I rather go for performance.
The trick is to knock them in overly well, then use then against the machine for a few hundred hits lol
My six6 is now a bit broken, but I'll deffinitley get another one! In fact, I've already got Jake on the lookout for one in my weight when they come in haha :D
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I think you might be talking about how it's pressed, soft press willow performer better early in their life compare to one that's hard pressed.
Many years experience of playing and using many bats proved to me that this is correct but the softer pressed bats generally have a shorter life span.
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Can someone clarify, what is soft pressing and hard pressing??
I've ised a few GMs in my time that are all referred to as "hard pressed" yet they went well from fairly early in their lives, and improved as they opened up.
I've also had a Woodstock that I couldn't dent with a mallet for love nor money, yet that pinged, but they don't have a reputation for being hard pressed.
These "soft pressed/hard pressed" statements are thrown around daily, but does anyone have a difinitive answer what this actually means??
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"Performance willow" is basically ugly looking willow (grade 2 or below), that basically in the eyes of a layman performs as good as a decent looking (ie grade 1).
(Grading clefts as I understand is simply done by looks as per wrights info.)
It helps batmakers to shift those ugly clefts at a more favourable price to them.
^^^^ This
Basically a way to get the most money out of otherwise G2, G3 looking bats.
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Can someone clarify, what is soft pressing and hard pressing??
I've ised a few GMs in my time that are all referred to as "hard pressed" yet they went well from fairly early in their lives, and improved as they opened up.
I've also had a Woodstock that I couldn't dent with a mallet for love nor money, yet that pinged, but they don't have a reputation for being hard pressed.
These "soft pressed/hard pressed" statements are thrown around daily, but does anyone have a difinitive answer what this actually means??
A bat should be pressed for optimum performance. Some bat company's slightly over press to give longevity to a bat.
Here is A quote from Laver in there email the other day
Laver & Wood can produce a bat with the same weight and balance as
your match bat for net use, but pressed harder than a match bat to
give it extra protection against the hard compo balls. Net bats trade
off a little performance for a lot of protection, and save your match
bat from being ruined when it is not scoring runs.
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Many years experience of playing and using many bats proved to me that this is correct but the softer pressed bats generally have a shorter life span.
Softer pressing? Or well-pressed 'softer' willow?'
As I understand it, it's about optimum pressing, not 'hard' or 'soft'.
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A bat should be pressed for optimum performance. Some bat company's slightly over press to give longevity to a bat.
This is my issue with Warsops, nice bats but the ones sold to clubies do get pressed for longevity and take a fair old while to open up.
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Softer pressing? Or well-pressed 'softer' willow?'
As I understand it, it's about optimum pressing, not 'hard' or 'soft'.
Good point. Or softer willow softer pressed for optimum performance.
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This is my issue with Warsops, nice bats but the ones sold to clubies do get pressed for longevity and take a fair old while to open up.
Longevity and to help maintain warranties.
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Take 2 clefts of willow, 1 is G1 and other is G3 or G4. G1 looks better than G4, they are both made to same weight, balance and pick-up, pressed equally well. Will they perform just the same? maybe, maybe not. If the bat maker deems the G4 is going perform just as well as G1 then sell it as Performance willow, get G1 money for a G4 bat, otherwise sell it as a G4. Don't mean to cause any offense but it seems more prevalent in small brands where as bigger brands like GM have a set standard for grading and stick to it (most times).
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can anyone shed some light on how to get a bat that performs as good as pro or international level? If a G3 or 4 bat can give that level of performance without burning a hole in the pocket, thats great! if any one knows of a perticular model of bat which is cheap but an international player won't mind using it then please let me know.
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can anyone shed some light on how to get a bat that performs as good as pro or international level? If a G3 or 4 bat can give that level of performance without burning a hole in the pocket, thats great! if any one knows of a perticular model of bat which is cheap but an international player won't mind using it then please let me know.
Saurabh, if a bat is deemed destined for a Pro chances are it will burn a hole in your pocket regardless of what grade willow it is. Seems like clefts that make the biggest bats for the weight are generally considered pro level, obviously performance is a factor too.
B3 cricket have crown willow, which I would think comes close plus you have the option of designing your own bat. Similarly other brands offer Pro/Players willow like H4L, Blank Bats (BB), Rob Pack Cricket (RPC), Aldred etc.
if you are looking for a retailer so you could pick a bat that already exists you could go to UZI sports and get their bats, some of which are made for international players from Pakistan. Hope all this helps, none of it will be cheap but all these options would still be cheaper or equal to big brand's top of the line bats for general public.
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You could a look at Bat reviews for by Paul its just cricket or Jason Hammer personally I am waiting for the Kudos 2 bat review as that could be special.
But to give you some idea Of the cost of an handmade professional players total performance bat made to your own specs at the beginning of Sept i was quoted £320.00.
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In my mind, if a bat is pressed correctly then performance comes from the volume of willow behind where the ball is struck.
So no matter the grade, as long as its got a 90mm spine and weighs nowt, I'd use it.
But G1++++ just looks soooooo sexy. :-[