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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: potzy248 on August 18, 2014, 10:28:15 PM
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As the title suggests what are peoples thoughts?
I am playing/coaching a young provincial mens side this weekend against the NZ Whiteferns.
Apparently they have a couple of descent players.
I have a couple of conundrums. 1) Am I useless if I get out for a low score? 2) If I score a heap of runs am I a doosh bag?
I'm looking forward to it because its about 6 weeks out from our season and we get to play on the local international ground.
Thoughts?
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(No Swearing Please) mate, are you playing it indoors???
Just play it like any other game. The only notable difference is the pace and the strength of the girls. They are still very good cricket players, just playing the game at a slightly lower pace. We had one of the girls playing for us in a few games last season (Taranaki Premier Grade) and she did fine.
Also, how early are you lads starting your season? We don't start till the 11th I think.
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(No Swearing Please) mate, are you playing it indoors???
Just play it like any other game. The only notable difference is the pace and the strength of the girls. They are still very good cricket players, just playing the game at a slightly lower pace. We had one of the girls playing for us in a few games last season (Taranaki Premier Grade) and she did fine.
Also, how early are you lads starting your season? We don't start till the 11th I think.
yeah I know, pretty average weather at the moment.
We start Oct 4th. Which is a good 6 weeks away.
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Show them no mercy and smash them to all parts
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As already said show them no mercy because they will show you none. ;)
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Why assume you'll have a choice of smashing them everywhere?! We have a side that probably has the best bowling attack in our division, of which one of the four decent bowlers is a woman (her two brothers play in the same side). She plays for her county and is a decent bowler. I scored 70-odd against them and she was the only bowler I couldn't score consistently off - constantly bowling good line and length.
The thing that really disappointed me was most of our teams casual sexist comments and immaturity - most probably didn't even realise they were doing it. Maybe because I've coached girls and women's (football) teams over the years it doesn't bother me. There's no shame in getting out to them, or not scoring off them is if they're good players. They are allowed to be...
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Take no prisoners. People do not get better by being coddled.
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Why assume you'll have a choice of smashing them everywhere?! We have a side that probably has the best bowling attack in our division, of which one of the four decent bowlers is a woman (her two brothers play in the same side). She plays for her county and is a decent bowler. I scored 70-odd against them and she was the only bowler I couldn't score consistently off - constantly bowling good line and length.
The thing that really disappointed me was most of our teams casual sexist comments and immaturity - most probably didn't even realise they were doing it. Maybe because I've coached girls and women's (football) teams over the years it doesn't bother me. There's no shame in getting out to them, or not scoring off them is if they're good players. They are allowed to be...
When did I say Id be smashing them everywhere?
I want to know people's thoughts on the issue. Being the best lasses in NZ Id expect them to be pretty good. Not fast but good line and length bowlers. Nothing sexist at all...even though the boundaries are being brought in about 20 meters and we will be using a 142g ball.
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I have played against 4 women in the past and 1 of them was not very good.
The othe 3 were all decent cricketers who played women County level.
One was and average bowler who would always bowl a couple of bad balls which you could take advantage of.
But the other two were absolutely on the line and length every sodding ball! They were always economical as they were so frustratingly consistent! They also took wickets from impatient batsmen who would try to slog them for boundaries and get cleaned bowled when they missed a ball!!
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When did I say Id be smashing them everywhere?
I want to know people's thoughts on the issue. Being the best lasses in NZ Id expect them to be pretty good. Not fast but good line and length bowlers. Nothing sexist at all...even though the boundaries are being brought in about 20 meters and we will be using a 142g ball.
You didn't and I'm not being critical of those who have. Playing cricket against women isn't like playing Rugby or Football - being stronger or faster is taken out of the equation in a non-contact sport, especially bowling in cricket where qualities like skill and guile are as successful as pace and power.
In my experience there's a default setting for a lot of blokes when they come up against women in sport - I saw it in a lot of my team and I didn't suggest you were the same, I was just providing anecdotal evidence. But I'm sure someone will refer to type when you play them.
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I played against a girl once when I was at Uni in a preseason friendly. I opened the bowling and she the batting. I was instructed to bowl at full pace as I was assured she played a very high standard of Women's cricket. First ball I slipped and stacked it and as a consequence sent down a brutal bouncer which she didn't see as she was distracted by me falling in such a heap. Pinned her right in her right breast. I felt pretty terrible.
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Just show respect to all who play.
See the good balls and put away the bad balls.
If they are batting, bowl normally.
If you are quick, play the situation. If she is a number 11, expect deliveries on the stumps to get her out. If she is top 5, bowl to her like she is any other cricketer.
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Pinned her right in her right breast. I felt pretty terrible.
Did you rub it better for her??
On a serious note my sister played against men for a good number of years whilst she was at county cricket, never had any issues.
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Played against a lady this season In the prem who is in the England academy and regular for Lent ladies Alice something her name is she scored 84 in first game and 24 in second and bowling medium away swing on a decent length and was a very good player. As was mentioned respect anybody that plays the game mate
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Did you rub it better for her??
On a serious note my sister played against men for a good number of years whilst she was at county cricket, never had any issues.
I should have offered in hindsight. I think she was an overseas player for the women's section of the club we were playing against. Their women's section was one of the best in the country and regularly beat the men's teams from recollection.
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Always find it hard playing against women simply because getting out would result in a whirl of abuse from the team.
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Please post the result after the game.
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For my clubmates, this falls into the same category as playing against anyone under the age of 16;
1. If you get out to them, you will never hear the end of it
2. If you destroy their bowling/bowl aggressively, you are a nasty bloke.
IMHO, I couldn't care less about their opinions. If the player, regardless of age or sex, is good enough to be playing against me - why would I change my game for any reason.
Cricketing Mantra
1. If they are batting, get them out (Like you would try to any other player)
2. If they are bowling, dominate their bowling (Like you would try to any other player)
I would not disrespect the player by treating them any differently - and have not done so in the past.
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Think a few need to look at the standard you are playing. I think the women will be fine.
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Bowled against a girl aged around 17 last season in a Sunday friendly she came out to bat at 10 with her team wanting around 140 from the last 10 overs to win. After she had faced around 9 balls I bowled her middle stump as we walked off the field she turned to me and said well bowled I already felt awful as i felt I should have bowl to allow her to bat the overs till the end of the match.
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Treat any opposition, no matter what age, sex or sexual orientation they are with the same level of respect. They believe they are good enough to play at your level so why wouldn't you.
The amount of casual sexism in this thread is quite astonishing!
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The amount of casual sexism in this thread is quite astonishing!
Which leads us nicely on to the most important question. Is she fit?
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Which leads us nicely on to the most important question. Is she fit?
One of the women who I played against was really attractive. Later, her massive West Indian boyfriend, who was the injured overseas, turned up to watch. ???
Our captain couldn't stop laughing as the youngsters took one look at him and immediately stopped any reference to a 'woman' playing against them.
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We have a team in our league with a young female. She plays for Sussex and it quite easy on the eye. Most cautious 50 I've ever scored. :D
Personally my level of respect and self-consciousness always seem to be higher playing against women and young colts - just as I would treat women and children differently in every day life to how I would treat grown men (language, attitudes, etc).
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Cart them everywhere
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Used to play cricket with Arran Brindle, years ago,,one of the best fielders I've ever seen..
Batting was steady away,,, her sister was also a very good fielder.
Always found women's bowling to be naggingly slow
Very easy to try and over hit the ball
Forgot to say, Holly, Arrans sister,,was very easy on the eye
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Used to play cricket with Arran Brindle, years ago,,one of the best fielders I've ever seen..
Batting was steady away,,, her sister was also a very good fielder.
Always found women's bowling to be naggingly slow
Very easy to try and over hit the ball
Forgot to say, Holly, Arrans sister,,was very easy on the eye
Met Arran in March. She's a really, really nice person too! She definitely doesn't mind a bit of banter!
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Treat any opposition, no matter what age, sex or sexual orientation they are with the same level of respect. They believe they are good enough to play at your level so why wouldn't you.
The amount of casual sexism in this thread is quite astonishing!
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Thats why i started the thread, as I would class myself as a casual sexist...
I will treat them with respect, that was never an issue. Everyone has pretty much enforced own beliefs around the issue. I would say they will be quite good, Id still open the batting and bowling and captain if I was a front bum though... ;)
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I'm of the belief that you treat any batsman or bowler with respect, because sooner or later you'll come a cropper if you start to disrespect the opposition.
In our division we've faced two teams with a girl on their team, and both were ok cricketers. But the problem you sometimes see in attitude towards playing against (or with) girls, is the same attitude you see towards young kids and old guys that come on to bowl or go out to bat. I've seen it all too often when batsman's eyes light up when a young spinner/seam bowler comes on, or an older guy - only for them to get caught, bowled or stumped.
I'll give another example. There's a guy who is about 50 who plays for Torrisholme in the palace shield. If you'd never have faced him before, you wouldn't think much of him walking out to the crease. However, he scored 20,000 runs in league and cup games in Northern League (teams have pros), and played a significant amount games for Cumberland in the minor counties. So he's a damn good cricketer. But I heard a few comments from unaware teammates when he came out to bat. He soon shut them up.
So whether I face a woman or a guy, I'd treat them with respect because the game of cricket is about having the ability to hit a ball with a bat, or as a bowler get a batsman out. It's not like in rugby where you need to take down 6ft 4, 18 stone guys. In cricket it's about ability and hand eye coordination, and I've seen women that can bat (and bowl) just as well as men in amateur cricket.
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I'm of the belief that you treat any batsman or bowler with respect, because sooner or later you'll come a cropper if you start to disrespect the opposition.
In our division we've faced two teams with a girl on their team, and both were ok cricketers. But the problem you sometimes see in attitude towards playing against (or with) girls, is the same attitude you see towards young kids and old guys that come on to bowl or go out to bat. I've seen it all too often when batsman's eyes light up when a young spinner/seam bowler comes on, or an older guy - only for them to get caught, bowled or stumped.
I'll give another example. There's a guy who is about 50 who plays for Torrisholme in the palace shield. If you'd never have faced him before, you wouldn't think much of him walking out to the crease. However, he scored 20,000 runs in league and cup games in Northern League (teams have pros), and played a significant amount games for Cumberland in the minor counties. So he's a damn good cricketer. But I heard a few comments from unaware teammates when he came out to bat. He soon shut them up.
So whether I face a woman or a guy, I'd treat them with respect because the game of cricket is about having the ability to hit a ball with a bat, or as a bowler get a batsman out. It's not like in rugby where you need to take down 6ft 4, 18 stone guys. In cricket it's about ability and hand eye coordination, and I've seen women that can bat (and bowl) just as well as men in amateur cricket.
Clarkey?
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I'd just play it the same as any other game. After all, it's down to what they are capable of. If you get out to a woman cricketer there is going to be some banter from the team mates but that's cricket!
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Clarkey?
That's the guy. Grahame Clark(e). You heard of him/played against or with him then?
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I played my only 1st XI game at Darwen against Netherfield when Clarke opened for them. I think I did ok (it was a long time ago) but I remember him smacking me back over my head a few times. Unfortunately one of our guys dropped him off me or else he'd have been my first and only 1st XI wicket.
Really good player and I remember him being a good bloke too, think he played a lot against my Dad over the years.
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That's the guy. Grahame Clark(e). You heard of him/played against or with him then?
Played against him at Netherfield and at Torrisholme. If he'd looked after himself he'd have been an even better player, though have to say, even when he dropped down to Palace Shield his reputation preceded him and he got nothing but respect from everyone I played with - having said that, we seem to get him out cheap everytime. He doesn't start well v spin, especially since he's not so mobile and so his footwork isn't so great these days. Last 2 times I played him we opened the bowling with an off-spinner, and got him early both times
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Well we played the game yesterday and it was an amazing day. Weather was beautiful although a bit chilly. Pitch and outfield were sensational.
We batted first and the game plan was to let the younger guys (Some 14 and 15 year olds) bat up the order and if needed me and another older guy would go out there. The young guys batted pretty well albeit a bit slow. The women's bowlers were not the best and didn't really threaten at all. One of our batsman managed to score an unbeaten 127* and the other boys chipped in with 20s and 30s. I wasn't needed to bat as we made a respectable 259/4 from our 50 overs. We were pretty happy with that.
As I said they were not the best bowlers. Put a lot of balls on a length towards the end of the innings that were sent over the rope. I don't think women cricketers tend to try and clear fielders straight and this was the reason for the length.
Anyway. The started batting and we got Suzie Bates the captain and best batswoman by all accounts first ball. After that though the women took charge. We were all blown away by how good they were. Cover drives, lofted drives, 6s :o. They were very very good. After 17 overs they were 90-1 and cruising. They batted with real purpose. Milked singles and then hit boundaries it seemed when ever they felt like it. In the end they won easily and although we had a young team we were thoroughly beaten by a better side. Full credit to the ladies they played very well.
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Please post the result after the game.
Thought you would probably loose.