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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Manormanic on September 05, 2014, 09:46:59 AM
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Boring morning at work, just had an interesting chat with a colleague about those players who have been really unlucky with the selectors over the years.
Obviously, you can all guess that I'll place Adil RAshid at the top of this list - one really wonders what he did to offend Messers Miller, Whitaker et al.
A few other current players also came up - Michael Lumb (averages 55 in ODIs, tops the run charts for the series and...gets dropped?) and James Taylor amongst those who came and went quickly and Jonny Bairstow for how he was messed around by the selectors then dispatched. As for those who never got a chance, David Sales and Graham NApier were both impressive shouts.
What do you guys think?
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James Taylor. Sticks out like a sore thumb in county cricket.
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Brad Hodge for Australia I guess is a big one. Also have to feel for Stuey McGill - for being around when one Shane Warne was playing! There were a number of solid bats around in or golden era - Lehman himself, even Hussey though he eventually got a good run. Guess those guys weren't unlucky due to selectors but more because of the great bats who got in before them.
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Stuart Law?
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Mal Loye
Alistair Brown
Jon Batty
Martin Bicknell
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kevin pieterson
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Alistair Brown is a top shout.
I'm also still waiting for the call.
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Asim Kamal - the pakistani left hand middle order batsmen.
Azhar Mahmood - never really fully fulfilled his obviously potential due to poor selection policies?
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Phil Hughes.
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GLEN CHAPPLE
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James Hildreth
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Phil Hughes.
Had loads of chances!
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A large amount of Australian players can be listed here from the start of the century :).
Graham Napiers near the top of my list, Michael Carberry perhaps when England had such set openers.
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A large amount of Australian players can be listed here from the start of the century :).
True - you wonder in the post-KP era how many of them might have been persuaded to qualify for England!
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Not unlucky at all, but I wonder what Gilchrist's record would have been like had Healy not been around.
Agree with Alistair Brown. Born in the wrong era !
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I was lucky enough to regularly watch Ali Brown batting when he was at school. He was one of the few batsman who made it look as easy against that level of attack as he did at club, county and then international level. Lovely bloke and a travesty he didn't play more! He used to launch attacks miles over the pavillion, squash courts, etc but was never big headed about it. Worked really hard at fitness, etc. Very good role model that was seen off by the system.
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Gotta agree with Dave,,,Glenn Chapple should have had a chance to step up
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Glen Chapple is the best shout!
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james foster and chris read
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Neil Harvey Fairbrother should have played more one day games and then been the coach of the one day players.
Ian Austin (exceptional death and one day bowler). Was the days before being of a larger build DIDN'T matter. Lol
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James Foster for me, if it wasn't for Prior he'd have been in for sure
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Brad Hodge doesn't get beaten in this category.
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Stuart Law and Tom Moody must be right up there.
For England I think many of the best glovemen, Russell Read and Foster would have got many more caps if it wasn't England's obsession with keeper batsmen.
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Watched Geoff Boycott scored 246 off 555 balls against India he was dropped next match .
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James Foster not playing for England and showing his glove skills to a wider audience has been a travesty. Anyone mentioned Nick Compton yet?
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Surely Vinod Kambli from India wins this hands down?
The lad had a Test average of 50+, with 2 double centuries.
Was dropped aged 24. And the selectors wouldn't ever recall him despite him scoring truck loads for Bombay. And he was Tendulkar's BBF...
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I think Kambli was a little bit mental, and that was part of the problem.
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Kambli's average is largely due to two double hundreds he scored against Zimbabwe and weaker English side on Indian pitches , when you take them out he is just ordinary , plus he is a bit of a tool too.
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Lumb - gets a ODI ton on debut and has to make way for Cook of all people....
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Kambli declared himself unavailable for a while due to taking up a role in Bollywood and I believe was never considered again
F.S Trueman was left out on many occasions for expressing his opinion (oh the liberty)
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James foster for sure his batting could have been worked on under Gooch and would have got better but his glove work is as good as any keeper that's ever played the game in my opinion.
Brad hodge from Australia for sure is also one that could have played loads more cricket as could Stewart Law who was/is a class batsmen.
KP will also be in this category but he certainly doesn't appear to have helped himself over the years.
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Another Aussie for whom it just didn't seem to settle was Matthew Elliot. I seem to remember him putting us to the sword on an England tour. A bit of a legend in Victoria.
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No Kiwis on the list. Every man and his dog gets a go in the NZ team.
Id put Jesse in but he can't stay off the juice so its his own fault.
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You could go old school with Aaron Redmond's father, Rodney. A 107 and 56 on debut against Pakistan. Never played again due to eyesight problems.
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James foster for sure his batting could have been worked on under Gooch and would have got better but his glove work is as good as any keeper that's ever played the game in my opinion.
Brad hodge from Australia for sure is also one that could have played loads more cricket as could Stewart Law who was/is a class batsmen.
KP will also be in this category but he certainly doesn't appear to have helped himself over the years.
Fosters unlucky in the generation he was born in, 10 years earlier or so, would have had a much better chance, just unfortunate he came up just as the keeper-batsmen became more prominent.
Very similar dilemna at Hampshire who I watch quite regularly. They've got Michael Bates who I personally believe is one of, if not THE best keeper in England, possibly even one of the best I've seen in the world (Although I obviously haven't seen everyone), but yet he's playing 2XI county cricket due to Adam Wheater being a better batsman. Although I love to watch his keeping when he occasionally plays, I hope he gets a stint elsewhere at the end of this season, most likely with a D2 team, Gloucestershire perhaps.
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Graeme Fowler - scores a double hundred for England in India. Is then dropped and never plays for England again.
Also Rob Key, Ravi Bopara (Test cricket only, had more than enough chances in ODI's), Chris Read and Steven Finn (should now be England's Glen McGrath but been 12th man for about he last 3 years)
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Of current players, Callum Ferguson has been pretty unlucky in shorter form cricket. Has an OD average of over 40 and always does reasonably well in domestic stuff, now at the age of 29 won't get another look in
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I think Robert Croft was quite unlucky.
He was unlucky even when he was selected during the end of his international career. I remember during the 2001 Ashes, he only bowled a few overs in the innings in one of the matches, even though he took a wicket.
Carberry and Compton weren't given long enough imo either...
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Fosters unlucky in the generation he was born in, 10 years earlier or so, would have had a much better chance, just unfortunate he came up just as the keeper-batsmen became more prominent.
Very similar dilemna at Hampshire who I watch quite regularly. They've got Michael Bates who I personally believe is one of, if not THE best keeper in England, possibly even one of the best I've seen in the world (Although I obviously haven't seen everyone), but yet he's playing 2XI county cricket due to Adam Wheater being a better batsman. Although I love to watch his keeping when he occasionally plays, I hope he gets a stint elsewhere at the end of this season, most likely with a D2 team, Gloucestershire perhaps.
I completely agree. Gloucester have Roderick, though, whose a good bat...
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Dimi Mascarenhas? Should have been playing limited overs cricket a bit more regularly and a few years longer. One of the best limited overs bowler I've watched at domestic level.
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Rob Key is a great shout actually
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I have a theory regarding James Taylor. I reckon he was behind the @KPgenius twitter feed that caused text gate in 2012, hence why he was dropped despite a reasonable showing against South Africa.
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Australia domestic cricket from the 90s to the mid 2000s was essentially an enormous list of batsmen who were probably Test class but never made it into the team due to the once in a generation quality that dominated the internal side. Martin Love, Jamie Cox, Michael Di Venuto, Stuey MacGill, Brad Hodge, Greg Blewett, Matthew Elliot, Michael Bevan (from a test cricket perspective), Suart Law, Andy Bichel, David Hussey, Darren Berry, Wade Secombe, Tim Zoherer, Phil Jacques.
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I agree with Tugga. But one player who kind of spans that era into the present one is Mark Cosgrove. He was and still is a quality batsman. Okay, before I get pelted with tomatoes let me just add that he hasn't been in solid enough form to deserve a call up in the last season or two but he should've been picked almost a decade ago and possibly could have been a reliable squad member during the transition period (ie retirement of Ponting, Hussey, Gilchrist, Hayden and Langer etc.). He can also bowl a few handy overs of medium pace. I always get a laugh when I hear that he was/is too unfit to play test cricket - the team is sponsored by KFC and VB for crying out loud! lol! let his runs in the score book do the talking!
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Joe Scuderi for Australia
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Cosgrove's a very good shout. Didn't he drop nearly two and a half stone in weight when Darren Lehmann took over in a bid to gain an ashes spot?