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SOULMAN1012

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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2014, 08:38:21 PM »

James foster for sure his batting could have been worked on under Gooch and would have got better but his glove work is as good as any keeper that's ever played the game in my opinion.

Brad hodge from Australia for sure is also one that could have played loads more cricket as could Stewart Law who was/is a class batsmen.

KP will also be in this category but he certainly doesn't appear to have helped himself over the years.
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2014, 08:46:24 PM »

Another Aussie for whom it just didn't seem to settle was Matthew Elliot.  I seem to remember him putting us to the sword on an England tour.  A bit of a legend in Victoria.
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2014, 09:07:46 PM »

No Kiwis on the list. Every man and his dog gets a go in the NZ team.

Id put Jesse in but he can't stay off the juice so its his own fault.
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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2014, 09:16:36 PM »

You could go old school with Aaron Redmond's father, Rodney.  A 107 and 56 on debut against Pakistan.  Never played again due to eyesight problems.
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2014, 10:07:06 PM »

James foster for sure his batting could have been worked on under Gooch and would have got better but his glove work is as good as any keeper that's ever played the game in my opinion.

Brad hodge from Australia for sure is also one that could have played loads more cricket as could Stewart Law who was/is a class batsmen.

KP will also be in this category but he certainly doesn't appear to have helped himself over the years.

Fosters unlucky in the generation he was born in, 10 years earlier or so, would have had a much better chance, just unfortunate he came up just as the keeper-batsmen became more prominent.

Very similar dilemna at Hampshire who I watch quite regularly. They've got Michael Bates who I personally believe is one of, if not THE best keeper in England, possibly even one of the best I've seen in the world (Although I obviously haven't seen everyone), but yet he's playing 2XI county cricket due to Adam Wheater being a better batsman. Although I love to watch his keeping when he occasionally plays, I hope he gets a stint elsewhere at the end of this season, most likely with a D2 team, Gloucestershire perhaps.
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2014, 10:29:20 PM »

Graeme Fowler - scores a double hundred for England in India. Is then dropped and never plays for England again.

Also Rob Key, Ravi Bopara (Test cricket only, had more than enough chances in ODI's), Chris Read and Steven Finn (should now be England's Glen McGrath but been 12th man for about he last 3 years)
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« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2014, 04:14:38 AM »

Of current players, Callum Ferguson has been pretty unlucky in shorter form cricket. Has an OD average of over 40 and always does reasonably well in domestic stuff, now at the age of 29 won't get another look in
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2014, 09:13:38 AM »

I think Robert Croft was quite unlucky.

He was unlucky even when he was selected during the end of his international career. I remember during the 2001 Ashes, he only bowled a few overs in the innings in one of the matches, even though he took a wicket.

Carberry and Compton weren't given long enough imo either...
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2014, 09:17:47 AM »

Fosters unlucky in the generation he was born in, 10 years earlier or so, would have had a much better chance, just unfortunate he came up just as the keeper-batsmen became more prominent.

Very similar dilemna at Hampshire who I watch quite regularly. They've got Michael Bates who I personally believe is one of, if not THE best keeper in England, possibly even one of the best I've seen in the world (Although I obviously haven't seen everyone), but yet he's playing 2XI county cricket due to Adam Wheater being a better batsman. Although I love to watch his keeping when he occasionally plays, I hope he gets a stint elsewhere at the end of this season, most likely with a D2 team, Gloucestershire perhaps.

I completely agree.  Gloucester have Roderick, though, whose a good bat...
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2014, 09:20:35 AM »

Dimi Mascarenhas? Should have been playing limited overs cricket a bit more regularly and a few years longer.  One of the best limited overs bowler I've watched at domestic level.
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2014, 09:31:08 AM »

Rob Key is a great shout actually
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2014, 11:14:54 AM »

I have a theory regarding James Taylor. I reckon he was behind the @KPgenius twitter feed that caused text gate in 2012, hence why he was dropped despite a reasonable showing against South Africa.
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2014, 12:04:33 PM »

Australia domestic cricket from the 90s to the mid 2000s was essentially an enormous list of batsmen who were probably Test class but never made it into the team due to the once in a generation quality that dominated the internal side. Martin Love, Jamie Cox, Michael Di Venuto, Stuey MacGill, Brad Hodge, Greg Blewett, Matthew Elliot, Michael Bevan (from a test cricket perspective), Suart Law, Andy Bichel, David Hussey, Darren Berry, Wade Secombe, Tim Zoherer, Phil Jacques.
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2014, 12:33:00 PM »

I agree with Tugga. But one player who kind of spans that era into the present one is Mark Cosgrove. He was and still is a quality batsman. Okay, before I get pelted with tomatoes let me just add that he hasn't been in solid enough form to deserve a call up in the last season or two but he should've been picked almost a decade ago and possibly could have been a reliable squad member during the transition period (ie retirement of Ponting, Hussey, Gilchrist, Hayden and Langer etc.). He can also bowl a few handy overs of medium pace. I always get a laugh when I hear that he was/is too unfit to play test cricket - the team is sponsored by KFC and VB for crying out loud! lol! let his runs in the score book do the talking!
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Re: Unluckiest Players (with the selectors, that is...)
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2014, 03:48:15 PM »

Joe Scuderi for Australia
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