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General Cricket => Cricket Admin, Facilities and Fundraising => Cricket Administration => Topic started by: uknsaunders on November 18, 2014, 03:53:29 PM
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Hi All,
Coming towards AGM time and the thorny issue of subs and match fees comes up. In an attempt to standardise the question I want people to imagine they play 15 games a season and how much the bill for Subs + match fees (15 games * £amount) would come to.
Would be interesting to know what facilities people are paying for as well - ie. do guys under £125 a village setup or have covers, sightscreens, nets, groundsmen etc
Fire away
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£10 a match with £60 subs (£25 of this is membership to our sports club social section, giving us access to the bar etc)
We have nets, roll-on covers, electronic scoreboard, 2 (well appreciated) volunteer groundsmen who work in tandem with 3 guys from the local public school that we pay to prepare the deck, and fantastic teas that are more than worth the £45 we pay for them.
I play many more than 15 games though. I think the number of games is quite relevant. The cost of maintaining mowers, sight screens etc doesn't change whether you play a handful of games a season, or loads. So a club playing fewer games may have higher costs per match to their players.
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I took 15 games as an average season ie. if you play every saturday during the summer then after rain and the odd day off you probably play that many. Obviously keen cricketers will play double that but you have to start somewhere.
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I pay £75. We don't have any subs just £5 per game for teas. It is a village team so no covers or sightscreens. We do have a nice pavilion with showers though!
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£75 a season and £10 a game (although it is only £5 on Sunday if you played and paid a tenner on the Saturday)
We have a lovely pavillion, Adult pitch, colts pitch, double net, electronic scoreboard, 1 sightscreen, mowers, tractor, roller etc. and own our own land (although its on an Iron Age fort, so we can't really do much digging!)
I wouldn't begrudge paying a bit more up front, say £100, if I could see where the cash went, or if there was a reason for it, i.e. to kit out the club in the same kit, or a mobile net, or a coach for the colts.
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£6 per game £25 subs
we have a private ground a couple of miles from nearest main road
roll on covers
2 lane nets plus roll on net
ample changing rooms and separate umpire changing room ( this was because the builder of the pavilion is our umpire)
Teas done by wives and girlfriends who are given £50 budget
Sightscreens both ends
Groundsman who is semi retired with all the kit ride on roller, ride on mower scarifier etc....
normal score box on top of pavilion next to the sun deck (electronic being discussed)
Subsidized shirts by sponsor
we play around 20-25 games a season with these fees
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£3.50 match fee and £48 annual fee brings it up to £100.50. For that we get a full time groundsman who does everything in the morning of the game and who prepares one of the best decks in the league (and he was runner up at the county groundsman of the year award), all the equipment he can ask for, artificial and grass nets, manual scoreboard (but with a separate operator on match days), 2 sightscreens, two sets of Durant covers, decent changing rooms and shower facilities, an absolutely fantastic spread at tea (prepared by volunteer ladies), the club open every night of the week and all day at weekends even through winters.
Yep, we get it pretty cheap, but it's still a fight to get it off some players!
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£130 per annum. £8 for one game in a weekend, £6 for your second weekend game. 2020 cricket is free.
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Depends as well if your club has benefactors of some description, which is obviously something to take into account on top of this source of income
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Will be interesting to know the views of those paying £350+
£150 per year irrespective of number of games, although some will be debating if this needs bringing down to £100
there is some concession for juniors and unemployed.
Really fine pitches, 4 old chaps who take care of ground and facilities.
Scoreboard sightscreen two practice nets bowling machine etc.
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I Pay £320. Pressed the wrong button on the survey as I'm a bit of an idiot.
So we pay £12 per game and pay £140 subs.
I am in London though so that may explain it.
Facilities aren't the best but they're not the worst either. If you wanted to pay less, you could, but then you'd end up playing on an outfield filled with used needles (which has happened in an away game). Teas, however, are appalling.
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£170 subs
£7 match fee for home games
So roughly £240 a season, this includes great pitches, side screens, roll on covers, 2 lane nets not that great though, 2 roll on cages, electronic score board really, good teas usually hot food like chips
plus curry or chili. We also get subsidised bar prices.
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I might be wrong about this but normally subs/match fees make up a third of income. The remaining two thirds come from fundraising/sponsorship/ground hire/colts. Would be interesting to know if anybody breaks this rule (you'll need the club accounts I suspect).
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I used to pay £50 and £5 a game in the Worcestershire league, then I moved to London...
£125 fees, £12 a game
Frightening for the, quite frankly, sh*t standard of grounds I've played at
On that note - anyone know of a good friendly club that would be commutable from Royal Victoria/Canning Town? I'm on the lookout for 2015, decent standard would be good but more interested in having an enjoyable saturday with a beer or 4 afterwards!
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25 quid membership. 5 quid a game. 3 quid for unemployed and students.
looking at the rest of you this seems a bargain. The ground is well maintained and we have one of the best squares in the division.
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£76 annual subs and this includes 1 match shirt for the season (we change shirt/sponsor each year) £10 per game sat and Sunday. On Sundays the 1st team has a lot of our decent colts to get the adult match time and if we play away usually only 4 old enough to drive so you don't pay match fee to cover petrol costs.
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Last season was £30 subs and £10 per game. Not to sure what next season will be.
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30 subs and 5 per game. Last season that included adidas match kit, shirt and trousers and 3 net sessions with ex pros
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Think ours will be:
£70 subs
£10 league game
£7 Sunday friendly
£5 T20/Midweek games
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30 subs
£6 per game (£2 for slap and tickle)
Ground is good, outfield is flat, mobile covers etc etc. Tbh, it's an absolute bargin. I have pushed the club to raise the costs for 2015 though as its that much of a bargin for what we get already and what is coming in z2015.
Subs 30
Match fees will be 8 flat (discounted to 6 on Sunday of you play both). I think the maths meant we'd make well over 1k Extra just on match fees (as a club we play well over 100 40+ over ganes a year) . That's not including Jnrs or civil service games etc
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£170 subs
£7 match fee for home games
So roughly £240 a season, this includes great pitches, side screens, roll on covers, 2 lane nets not that great though, 2 roll on cages, electronic score board really, good teas usually hot food like chips
plus curry or chili. We also get subsidised bar prices.
We have all of this but pay £70 subs and £10 fees in Berks.
Out of interest, do you have overseas players?
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£20 subs
£5 for any game, we always have a buffet after home games at the pub, (provided free of charge).
i am going to push to increase this slightly for the league games mainly due to the increase cost of match balls, its our first season in the league.
we have a nice square and outfield, outdoor nets and a nice changing room with warm showers :)
we have one of the nicer grounds in the league so dont see any reason to not charge slightly more
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30 subs, 8match fees.
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We have all of this but pay £70 subs and £10 fees in Berks.
Out of interest, do you have overseas players?
Yes, normally a young lad though don't know if he gets that much. We also own the land have 5 mens teams a ladies plus juniors, i do wonder how we spend the money. We are based in Manchester Didsbury which has a massive catchment area we never seem to struggle to put out 5 teams.
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Yes, normally a young lad though don't know if he gets that much. We also own the land have 5 mens teams a ladies plus juniors, i do wonder how we spend the money. We are based in Manchester Didsbury which has a massive catchment area we never seem to struggle to put out 5 teams.
Ah fair enough.
There is a club near me who charges £220 subs and £10 a game because they have 2 Pakistani pro's on their books.
That £220 applies to all players wishing to be considered for mens cricket - even juniors.
It is ridiculous and extortionate. Glad to see your club is doing things the right way - saving that cash for the benefit of the members - rather than mercenaries!
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To be fair we don't pay any pros as a club policy, this lad was from SA on a sort of work visa. We are generally in and out of the Cheshire Prem League as all the rich clubs have a least a couple of payed pros. To be fair the ground is in good nick for the amount of cricket it sees and it has a really good social scene. Pus its 10 minute walk from where i live.
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Ah fair enough.
There is a club near me who charges £220 subs and £10 a game because they have 2 Pakistani pro's on their books.
That £220 applies to all players wishing to be considered for mens cricket - even juniors.
It is ridiculous and extortionate. Glad to see your club is doing things the right way - saving that cash for the benefit of the members - rather than mercenaries!
Name and shame, which TVL team is that!
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Name and shame, which TVL team is that!
The one who has Waqar Ahmed in their 2s...
I feel sorry for the kid I teach who told me. He said it costs his family upwards of £2k a year to be playing members there.
I wouldn't pay 2k a year to join a good golf club, let a lone a cricket club...
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We are iA village in Worcestershire the club has a modern brick built pavilion with patio tearoom bar kitchen changing rooms each with showers and toilets the club provides excellent teas the square is also excellent the track is a belter for both bat and ball the club has a professional groundsman covers and side screens the outfield is uneven and the nets are in need of repair there are also floodlit tennis courts plenty of car parking a safe distance from the square but cars in full view at all times.
Annual subs are 50.00 or what you can afford. match fees are 8.00.
The club has one team due to lack of players and play in the Worcester clubs league on Saturdays no midweek or Sunday cricket.
No fundraising events.
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2 grand! Total rip off. There are loads of clubs in Somerset who would bend over backwards to give youngsters a game. Shame on the clubs who import foreigners to play cricket, charge members extortionate fees to pay their wages and then take their place in the side.
Kids are the future of the game not some no hoper from abroad.
Leave and join a club with better values. We are looking for players..... Particularly orthodox batsmen and a leg spinner or two.
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The one who has Waqar Ahmed in their 2s...
I feel sorry for the kid I teach who told me. He said it costs his family upwards of £2k a year to be playing members there.
I wouldn't pay 2k a year to join a good golf club, let a lone a cricket club...
I wouldn't pay £2,000 to join the club, that's like half a season's worth of kit! :-[
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The one who has Waqar Ahmed in their 2s...
I feel sorry for the kid I teach who told me. He said it costs his family upwards of £2k a year to be playing members there.
I wouldn't pay 2k a year to join a good golf club, let a lone a cricket club...
Not sure where Waqar is playing, I'll have to ask Ian or Pistol on that one. 2k is a rip off and I would be asking big questions at an agm if we had two paid pro's and I was forking out £220 subs.
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They had Awais Zia I think his name was (Pakistan T20 player?)... A lot of money a game.
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2 Pros, 2 grand a season and still not guaranteed a game. Buy a season ticket to watch county cricket, it's cheaper, you get to see 22 pros and you still don't get to play
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£10 per game, (£5 for students) subs of £50. I think that's fair, however some players from other teams balk at the sums... :(
We do have a few "curry nights" which are funds for the club. Also have a mini bar whic again are funds for the club...
We play on council owned ground, but facilities aren't all that. We would like to do more to the ground but the council have said no!
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Previous club was 12.50 a game and 175 a year compulsory membership, current club 3 per game and 60 a year membership.
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We're 60 quid membership which includes a national trust card as we are based in a park plus from 2015 season a tenner a game (bear in mind at an away game with umpire, teas and chucking some money at our scorer it costs £88 which we previous broke even excluding a ball etc).
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Friendly / social cricket at a pretty ordinary standard so £30 subs and £5 match fees.
Mind you the local parish council has extended the pavilion to suit the latest FA dictate of having completely separate changing rooms for the single lady football referee who turns up 2 or 3 times a season. Cost £120 k plus, started in March and still not finished. We missed out on the whole season and are now being told there will be a 50-100% increase in our pitch hire / rental fees.
Due to the works not being completed by September 1st the Football team has moved to the next Borough as it must have changing rooms for all games.
You could not make it up. >:(
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£200 membership and £10 match fees (£5 for a sunday if you played on Saturday).
We have electronic scoreboard, 2 outdoor nets, changing room with showers and sauna.
Our club is also a tennis and squash club (hence the higher memebrship as you join the whole club and not just cricket) so you get use of 3 floodlit tennis courts and 3 squash courts. The bar is fully staffed and open 363 days a year from 4pm - 11 weekdays and midday to midnight on a weekend.
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We have playing subs of £24, subscription the social club where our ground is is £26. £8 a game match fees. Based on 15 games I make that £170. We don't have any covers and our pavilion is pretty basic, no showers which is irritating, but I'd suggest £170 is very reasonable. I have been at clubs before when the student subscription was nearly as much as that.
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£200 membership and £10 match fees (£5 for a sunday if you played on Saturday).
We have electronic scoreboard, 2 outdoor nets, changing room with showers and sauna.
Our club is also a tennis and squash club (hence the higher memebrship as you join the whole club and not just cricket) so you get use of 3 floodlit tennis courts and 3 squash courts. The bar is fully staffed and open 363 days a year from 4pm - 11 weekdays and midday to midnight on a weekend.
That's a bloody good deal!
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Part of the original reason for the topic was that our club charge only £30 subs and £6 match fees. We have, wait for it:-
Modern Pavilion with showers, private ground, sightscreens, artificial net, mobile net and a groundsman who spends 10-15 hours a week for no charge - all in a lovely village setting.
To me the only thing missing is covers and a bit of maintanence. However, sometimes making people appreciate that they are effectively underpaying for a facility that could be even better with funding is difficult. The above poll says to me that nearly 75% of clubs pay more than us, often with worse facilities. Those that pay the same have a benefactor or some level of sponsorship/fundraising to support the facilities.
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Part of the original reason for the topic was that our club charge only £30 subs and £6 match fees. We have, wait for it:-
Modern Pavilion with showers, private ground, sightscreens, artificial net, mobile net and a groundsman who spends 10-15 hours a week for no charge - all in a lovely village setting.
To me the only thing missing is covers and a bit of maintanence. However, sometimes making people appreciate that they are effectively underpaying for a facility that could be even better with funding is difficult. The above poll says to me that nearly 75% of clubs pay more than us, often with worse facilities. Those that pay the same have a benefactor or some level of sponsorship/fundraising to support the facilities.
You are very fortunate indeed!
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We are changing ours to £360 all in standing order £30 a month all year round covers membership and as many games as you want to play. In London at my last club £160 for pitch £90+vat teas £50 Umpire about £15 a match for league balls League registration £350 annual Insurance £340 annual. All adds up then the superstar players still try and bugger off after the match without paying and don't want to pay membership. If they don't want to pay they can bugger off and play their family games on a Sunday in the Park. But instead they winge to the ECB about how they have no facilities. And how unfair it is.
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Would be interesting to know the locations of these clubs, just wondering if the London based ones skew things
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We are changing ours to £360 all in standing order £30 a month all year round covers membership and as many games as you want to play. In London at my last club £160 for pitch £90+vat teas £50 Umpire about £15 a match for league balls League registration £350 annual Insurance £340 annual. All adds up then the superstar players still try and bugger off after the match without paying and don't want to pay membership. If they don't want to pay they can bugger off and play their family games on a Sunday in the Park. But instead they winge to the ECB about how they have no facilities. And how unfair it is.
There speaks a man with committee experience! Couldn't agree more. Sometimes it seems that the better the player, the more they think they don't have to pay. Might be a thread for another day!
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That's a bloody good deal!
We arnt actually the most expensive around either, although still more than most. Other clubs near us have memebrship around £150 but match fees of £15. I think we worked it out you get a better deal our way if you play near on a full season.
Only issue we have is that hardly any of our cricket members play tennis or squash so they moan at paying for facilitiers they dont use. People also arnt keen on paying up front or in two installments.
£200 is just exisitng adult memebrs
We also have a young persons rate (18-25) which is about £120 plus £10 match fees, Students (16+ in full time education) which is £90 and £8 match fees, Colts membership (under 16) is £20 and £6 adult match fee, £3 junior match fee and £3 a week training fee. We also have a new member rate for a full memebrship of £175.
We like to think we do our best to encourage members to have a "career" at the club and stick about by making the transition from colts to student to full membership a little more financially viable.
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Not sure where Waqar is playing, I'll have to ask Ian or Pistol on that one. 2k is a rip off and I would be asking big questions at an agm if we had two paid pro's and I was forking out £220 subs.
If memory serves; he's at Burnham CC, but I could be wrong.
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I pay £55 a year subs, plus £7 per game. Pretty reasonable I think bearing in mind we have a brand new pavillion with bar, electronic scoreboard, covers, sightscreens, rollers, we pay our 1st XI scorer. Shocking to see some players on here paying over £10 a game for a weekly match fee!
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$A375 for 11 games (9 two day games) and teas. $325 if paid by first game and included a playing shirt and club shirt ($50 each).
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For full-time employed ours was $AU450 a season. Covers all games (League and T20), no additional umpire/ball fees. You can choose to play on a per-game basis, $50 a game for 2-day and $25 for the One Day grades, but if your are playing a full season it's more cost-effective to go with the full season fee. If fees aren't paid by the end of November then those that are still owing will miss out on selection in favour of those that have paid in full, or are organising payment via an instalment option.
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If fees aren't paid by the end of November then those that are still owing will miss out on selection in favour of those that have paid in full,
Every club should do this
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Very interesting topic this and a bone of contention, at all clubs in the league that I play in. We pay £75.00 per annum (this constitutes membership of two sports organisations from who we receive funding as well as a club fee), then £5 per match (£3 for juniors). Teas are on top of that – say £2 to £4 per head depending on the quality of the teas and how hungry one is… (very often the teas & the showers are the best part of my day these days). Add to this, various fundraising efforts – the B3 bat raffle being one.
Scorers fee at our club is £15.00 and a free tea; umpires: panel umpires (1st XI) are £35.00 a pop – playing a home game thus costs £70.00 plus £15 for the scorer, away games just £15 for the scorer, but of course that evens itself out. For club umpires (2nd XI & Sunday XI), £30.00 umps, £15 scorers – you pay your own.
Facilities wise – at out ground we have two very good sight screens at each end, covers, a decent scorebox, an umpires room with showers, very good changing rooms with constant hot water, decent toilets – including disabled – plenty of seating round the ground and a decent area in which to take tea – our 1st XI teas being the best in the division it has to be said. We also have a three lane artificial practise area, built and paid for by the members, which is in some need of some TLC – one of our NatWest CricketForce projects…
However, and this is to do with when we moved to our current location – we have no bar or function room. The facility does have three all-weather tennis courts – with its own pavilion, a five-a-side area (both floodlit) and changing room, and a football pitch and we have four changing rooms in our main pavilion. We also have a bowling green with its own pavilion and car parking is more than adequate, even on busy days.
Beers wise – we basically sell cans and bottles from a fridge – a bit rural, but what we do is buy in crates, sell the cans / bottles at £1.50 and any profit made goes into the junior section. After the games, we’ll have a beer at the ground, then go to the Carleton Bowling Club, a facility with decent prices for ale and a committee room and where we can hold functions – our Presentation Night in October attracting 110 folks.
The league in which we play – the Moore & Smalley Palace Shield – has a Premier Division and then divisions 1 to 6 playing on Saturdays, with two large divisions playing Sunday cricket. The junior set up is possibly one of the largest and best junior sections in Lancashire, including as it does several Northern League clubs. Both the senior and junior sections are recognised by the LCB as being successful, growing and well organised.
What the league do very well, is set standards for grounds / facilities in each and every division, which is important in keeping standards high and making sure that only teams meeting the criteria can progress or where new teams apply to join the league (there are about two teams a season on average that apply to join). Certainly in the Prem and Division 1, there are some very decent grounds we play on with some excellent facilities for players, spectators, umpires, etc. Regular ground audits are done and captains have the opportunity to raise any ground issues with the league, as do the umpires, so standards are pretty well maintained.
Although strictly an amateur league (or so the rules say anyway…), the standard of cricket, in the Prem particularly, is very good. Not perhaps as good as it used to be (as an old duffer, I am bound to say that…. Eh, when I were a lad, etc.).
This may be more info than required… Happy New Year.
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(very often the teas & the showers are the best part of my day these days).
Oi oi! ;)
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No Annual Fee - I disagree with this and believe we should pay an amount!
10 per game inclusive of tea.
2 pound for 20 games.
At that we get a free playing shirt (sponsored)
We have events, race nights, bonfires and car boots to raise money though its same faces!
We are going to ticket any social events in 2015.
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Very interesting topic this and a bone of contention, at all clubs in the league that I play in. We pay £75.00 per annum (this constitutes membership of two sports organisations from who we receive funding as well as a club fee), then £5 per match (£3 for juniors). Teas are on top of that – say £2 to £4 per head depending on the quality of the teas and how hungry one is… (very often the teas & the showers are the best part of my day these days). Add to this, various fundraising efforts – the B3 bat raffle being one.
Scorers fee at our club is £15.00 and a free tea; umpires: panel umpires (1st XI) are £35.00 a pop – playing a home game thus costs £70.00 plus £15 for the scorer, away games just £15 for the scorer, but of course that evens itself out. For club umpires (2nd XI & Sunday XI), £30.00 umps, £15 scorers – you pay your own.
Facilities wise – at out ground we have two very good sight screens at each end, covers, a decent scorebox, an umpires room with showers, very good changing rooms with constant hot water, decent toilets – including disabled – plenty of seating round the ground and a decent area in which to take tea – our 1st XI teas being the best in the division it has to be said. We also have a three lane artificial practise area, built and paid for by the members, which is in some need of some TLC – one of our NatWest CricketForce projects…
However, and this is to do with when we moved to our current location – we have no bar or function room. The facility does have three all-weather tennis courts – with its own pavilion, a five-a-side area (both floodlit) and changing room, and a football pitch and we have four changing rooms in our main pavilion. We also have a bowling green with its own pavilion and car parking is more than adequate, even on busy days.
Beers wise – we basically sell cans and bottles from a fridge – a bit rural, but what we do is buy in crates, sell the cans / bottles at £1.50 and any profit made goes into the junior section. After the games, we’ll have a beer at the ground, then go to the Carleton Bowling Club, a facility with decent prices for ale and a committee room and where we can hold functions – our Presentation Night in October attracting 110 folks.
The league in which we play – the Moore & Smalley Palace Shield – has a Premier Division and then divisions 1 to 6 playing on Saturdays, with two large divisions playing Sunday cricket. The junior set up is possibly one of the largest and best junior sections in Lancashire, including as it does several Northern League clubs. Both the senior and junior sections are recognised by the LCB as being successful, growing and well organised.
What the league do very well, is set standards for grounds / facilities in each and every division, which is important in keeping standards high and making sure that only teams meeting the criteria can progress or where new teams apply to join the league (there are about two teams a season on average that apply to join). Certainly in the Prem and Division 1, there are some very decent grounds we play on with some excellent facilities for players, spectators, umpires, etc. Regular ground audits are done and captains have the opportunity to raise any ground issues with the league, as do the umpires, so standards are pretty well maintained.
Although strictly an amateur league (or so the rules say anyway…), the standard of cricket, in the Prem particularly, is very good. Not perhaps as good as it used to be (as an old duffer, I am bound to say that…. Eh, when I were a lad, etc.).
This may be more info than required… Happy New Year.
My club was in a similar situation to yours regarding the bar. We did have a bar, however it was part of a wider sporting complex comprising of cricket, tennis, rugby (play touch in summer), soccer, lacrosse, etc. However the bar was run by paid bar staff, great for the players not having to run bar shifts after play, not good for the club's bottom line. Three seasons ago the bar takings were $10K, however that still didn't cover bar staff salaries, cost of alcohol, etc, and the club still had to pay back around $2K to the sports complex. Since we moved to a brand new clubrooms where we run our own bar, $10K in bar takings made the club around $5-6K. A big turnaround and one that has meant a freeze in fees and also more things done around the place, such as improvement to training facilities, better social functions, etc.
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Village set up, with groundsman (£600 a season)
Nets, sight screens.
No covers, we have a slope!
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We pay a membership which is £40 for the season. Match fees is £5 which includes tea. We have a good setup with a groundsman. Clubhouse with bar etc. Separate building for players.
In our league you have have to have a paid pro or else the club is fined. The pro is anything from around £3000 to £15000. The reality is a lot of clubs in our league have several paid players though . It's league split between the the club's which can afford to pay several players and those that can't. Ours cant so we find a cheap pro that satisfies the rules and hopefully will do well.
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We pay a membership which is £40 for the season. Match fees is £5 which includes tea. We have a good setup with a groundsman. Clubhouse with bar etc. Separate building for players.
In our league you have have to have a paid pro or else the club is fined. The pro is anything from around £3000 to £15000. The reality is a lot of clubs in our league have several paid players though . It's league split between the the club's which can afford to pay several players and those that can't. Ours cant so we find a cheap pro that satisfies the rules and hopefully will do well.
Have to have a pro? That sounds ridiculous and hardly helping the game.
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Have to have a pro? That sounds ridiculous and hardly helping the game.
Yes. That's the league rules. If ur pro can't play play in a match then you have to pay a fine which I think is £110.
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Yes. That's the league rules. If ur pro can't play play in a match then you have to pay a fine which I think is £110.
Haha, how stupid.