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Title: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on December 08, 2014, 01:37:28 AM
So cricket in Australia tries to carry on after the death of Phillip Hughes.

Australian skipper Michael Clarke is fit and will lead his side.

Australia XI:
Rodgers, Warner, Watson, Clarke(c), Smith, M.Marsh, Haddin(w/k), Johnson, Siddle, Harris and Lyon.

The rescheduled start of the series helped Pup and Harris get into the side. Hazlewood must be a little stiff to be overlooked for Siddle. Lyon very lucky to get a gig. Don't see why Australia need Watson and Mitch Marsh.

Most touchingly Australia have named Phillip Hughes as 13th man.

India XI:
undecided as of yet. Dhoni could be fit. Kumar is injured. India might even field two spinners with Karn Sharma looking for a Test debut.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: skip1973 on December 08, 2014, 03:32:31 AM
Marsh makes the batting look a bit light to me, especially with Clarke a bit suspect at the moment. Siddle deserves this test.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: cesare_in on December 08, 2014, 09:00:28 AM
Virat Kohli to lead in the first test as per newspapers here in India.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 08, 2014, 10:00:13 AM
India set to revert back to the 4 bowlers.

Probable line up:
Dhawan, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli(c), Rahane, Rohit, Saha(w/k), Ashwin, Ishant, Aaron and Shami.

Dhawan very lucky to be getting a gig, his style of batting will be exposed against the Australian fast bowlers.

A better option would've been Rohit opening and India playing 5 bowlers.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Buzz on December 08, 2014, 02:50:25 PM
I see Dhawan as similar to Warner in approach - he could come off really well against the aussies.

Equally he could get made to look very poor by Ryan Harris - but Harris needs to be fit and hasn't bowled much since his operation.

There really needs to be more love shown for Ryan Harris - the man who (metaphorically speaking) looks like a carthorse but bowls like a thoroughbread.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 08, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
I see Dhawan as similar to Warner in approach - he could come off really well against the aussies.

Equally he could get made to look very poor by Ryan Harris - but Harris needs to be fit and hasn't bowled much since his operation.

There really needs to be more love shown for Ryan Harris - the man who (metaphorically speaking) looks like a carthorse but bowls like a thoroughbread.
Ryan Harris is the closest anyone will find to a Dale Steyn clone.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Kez on December 08, 2014, 10:52:43 PM
Is it on Sky in the UK?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ijmorgan on December 08, 2014, 10:55:19 PM
Pretty sure its on Sky sports 2 at Midnight.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 08, 2014, 11:06:30 PM
Karn Sharma debuts for India.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 08, 2014, 11:24:03 PM
India's attack

Ishant
Aaron
Shami
Karn

no place for either Ashwin or Jadeja...i bet they miss their pal Dhoni...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 08, 2014, 11:31:38 PM
Pup wins the toss. Australia batting. Pile them on lads. Do it for Phillip
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 09, 2014, 05:36:43 AM
Nice 145 by Warner and Clarke was hitting them sweet till he retired hurt
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Manormanic on December 09, 2014, 07:48:32 AM
India's attack

Ishant
Aaron
Shami
Karn

no place for either Ashwin or Jadeja...i bet they miss their pal Dhoni...

Can't understand that selection - if you're going in with four bowlers, its hella risky for one to be a debutant leg spinner. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Can't understand that selection - if you're going in with four bowlers, its hella risky for one to be a debutant leg spinner.
Seems a bigger error when part time off spinner Vijay has to bowl on day 1 of the Test match. Incredible to think Ashwin has 100 Test wickets but he can't get a game.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 09:44:39 AM
Magnificent century by David Warner. If Smith and Pup can both reach hundreds, Australia should be looking at 500+.

Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: jamesisapayne on December 09, 2014, 09:46:33 AM
Magnificent century by David Warner. If Smith and Pup can both reach hundreds, Australia should be looking at 500+.

If Warner isn't in the top 3 best players to watch in world cricket I don't know who is. Aggressive, very good technically - he's the new Hayden.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 09, 2014, 10:24:58 AM
Magnificent century by David Warner. If Smith and Pup can both reach hundreds, Australia should be looking at 500+.

Not sure how Clarke will go considering he could hardly stand when he retired hurt... Even though he was hitting them soooo sweet
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Buzz on December 09, 2014, 10:30:32 AM
If Warner isn't in the top 3 best players to watch in world cricket I don't know who is. Aggressive, very good technically - he's the new Hayden.
More love required for Warner - he has now hit 10 tons in 33 games at about 47. not bad for a t20 biffer.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 09, 2014, 10:33:19 AM
More love required for Warner - he has now hit 10 tons in 33 games at about 47. not bad for a t20 biffer.

currently sat watching the test off record.. the first 30 mins of the test didn't change my mind on being a T20 biffer....... the next load did, he batted properly and looked classy
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: jamielsn15 on December 09, 2014, 10:35:56 AM
More love required for Warner - he has now hit 10 tons in 33 games at about 47. not bad for a t20 biffer.

Totally agree, you don't get to be as successful in Test cricket without having a lot more than being a clubber.

Got to admit the Aussie line up looks a lot better with Watson at 3 and occasionally bowling.  They'll need to find another opener, possible after the 2015 Ashes, but for now they look strong, although it remains to be seen if Clarke's ruled out of this Test and any more...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Stuey on December 09, 2014, 10:44:56 AM
Power to Warner, looking in from the outside he seems to make use of every ounce of his ability. He divides opinion, but he deserves respect for getting himself to where he is now. Also well done to CA for bring him in from nowhere to play 20/20 and then developing him to play all formats. If only England would treat Hales the sameway! 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 09, 2014, 11:00:25 AM
Finch hopefully will become the player most who have seen him become and become his opening partner what a opening pair that would be
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: skip1973 on December 09, 2014, 11:03:30 AM
No chance.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 09, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
I'm not convinced Watson has earned his spot in the team...

All Australia need now is a Geoff Boycott.... Someone who can occupy the crease for hours
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: 400notout on December 09, 2014, 12:00:48 PM
Cowans just hit his 5th ton of the summer....

Warner with 10 tons in 33 tests puts him above Lara and Sachin (7 each)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: cheese on December 09, 2014, 03:18:52 PM
Slightly off topic but does anybody know the name of the song that was playing as both teams walked out onto the pitch?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 09, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
No chance.

I think there a chance a big one hardly anybody else putting there hand up yes his F/C record is poor so have a few test players i think if he scoring load in t20/one days then it must be looked at and i suspect it will at some stage.

Agree tho 3 100 in 80 first class innings needs to be improved.

Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 09, 2014, 04:44:44 PM
Finch hopefully will become the player most who have seen him become and become his opening partner what a opening pair that would be

really? I think if Finch is a test match opener then the game for me is lost to biffing
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: iand123 on December 09, 2014, 07:55:50 PM
really? I think if Finch is a test match opener then the game for me is lost to biffing

Would you not have said the same about Warner a few years ago? Cricket scoring rates are increasing across all formats and I think most teams will have one players in the ilk of Warner/finch trying to set a high tempo from the start. Except England, we'll still plod along at 2.5 and let the stats dictate our game ;-)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 09, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
Would you not have said the same about Warner a few years ago? Cricket scoring rates are increasing across all formats and I think most teams will have one players in the ilk of Warner/finch trying to set a high tempo from the start. Except England, we'll still plod along at 2.5 and let the stats dictate our game ;-)

so if all we want to see is more and more runs, we might as well sack of test matches as they aren't a test anymore. Warner plays tests pretty much as he plays ODI's.. if that's all we want then we might as well just play ODI's. Bowling is rubbish now, pitches are flat with enable these players to make it in tests.

I suppose it depends on what we want to see. If you want thrashing the ball for 4 and high scores then fair enough, keep producing flat wickets, small boundaries and players like finch/warner. If you want to see testing cricket, with the best players doing well and the others failing then you need sporting wickets where just hitting through the line isn't going to work as the pitch and bowlers are too good. Warners   innings was good today, his first 35 runs were purely hitting through the line of the ball and that to me says that the bowling wasn't good enough and the wicket was too flat. that ball for the first hour should have been zipping, seaming around which would make these players unable to play like that.

maybe I'm just a outdated traditionalist and everyone does want to just see batsmen scoring boundary after boundary.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: edge on December 09, 2014, 08:43:18 PM
Finch's defensive technique and range of shot are far too weak for test matches - see how often he gets out defending on the back foot or caught at mid off. Warner's defensive technique has always been pretty sound, he just needed to find the balance between attack and defence to succeed in test matches.

Can't believe Watson still plays as a top 5 bat - he is just not a test match batsman.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: alee on December 09, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
khawaja should be given another chance, he has scored heaps of runs.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: CrickFreak on December 09, 2014, 09:53:36 PM
I think aggressive batting is good for test cricket.  It has produced more results than draws which was killing test cricket 10-15 years ago. Guys like Sehwag, Warner etc have changed it and its good for test cricket. Answer to the Question on Warner being a test cricketer or not should not be based on just his scoring rate. He lasted almost a full day, was dfensive when needed and attacked bad deliveries. That's was test cricket is all about - score and bat long. These guys have done it on good seaming pitches as well. I think this is good for test cricket. There were other guys who got out cheaply, which makes Warner's innings even more Creditworthy.

Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 09, 2014, 10:11:37 PM
really? I think if Finch is a test match opener then the game for me is lost to biffing

Finch is more than a biffer mate i suggest anybody scoring 100 at any international level is highly skilled.

Why can't he go on and have a career i remember a certain KP who was labelled the same and as rightly said so was Warner.

I saw a young flawed Wanter at first hand in Australia 2008 he was nothing special HE is now.

What i'm saying is Finch has the ability yes bit need changing potentially but he has the raw skill to play international cricket be it test odi and T20.

Suspect he might have to want it though??
 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: The Palmist on December 09, 2014, 10:18:55 PM
khawaja should be given another chance, he has scored heaps of runs.
solid technique  shame he didn't  do justice to himself  when he did get the chance.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 09, 2014, 10:20:12 PM
Finch is more than a biffer mate i suggest anybody scoring 100 at any international level is highly skilled.

Why can't he go on and have a career i remember a certain KP who was labelled the same and as rightly said so was Warner.

I saw a young flawed Wanter at first hand in Australia 2008 he was nothing special HE is now.

What i'm saying is Finch has the ability yes bit need changing potentially but he has the raw skill to play international cricket be it test odi and T20.

Suspect he might have to want it though??

Rodgers doesn't have long left so not too long if he's the next warner.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
Aaron Finch Test opener? Don't be silly.

Jordan Silk, Nic Maddinson, Usman Khawaja and Ed Cowan are all ahead of Finch in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
Not sure how Clarke will go considering he could hardly stand when he retired hurt... Even though he was hitting them soooo sweet
Clarke's injured was back spasms, he's had injections and a nights rest.I think he'll be good to good.

Also bearing in mind he's scored a 100 @ Adelaide on India's previous two tours of Australia, I'm sure he''d love to make it 3 in a row
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 09, 2014, 10:43:30 PM
Aaron Finch Test opener? Don't be silly.

Jordan Silk, Nic Maddinson, Usman Khawaja and Ed Cowan are all ahead of Finch in the pecking order.

Many said that about Hayden and Warner just think he is touched by talent but is it enough ??? 

The list you mention i would go Maddinson.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 10:46:45 PM
Many said that about Hayden and Warner just think he is touched by talent but is it enough ???

The list you mention i would go Maddinson
Considering Finch bats in the middle order for Victoria, it seems unlikely he'd get a gig opening the batting in the Test side. If Finch gets his act together, he could be a useful 5/6.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 09, 2014, 10:48:40 PM
Considering Finch bats in the middle order for Victoria, it seems unlikely he'd get a gig opening the batting in the Test side. If Finch gets his act together, he could be a useful 5/6.

KP was a off spinner when he came to England who could bat a bit..

Cricket is too often thought about inside the box.

Warner did not start as a opener for NSW either...

Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: smilley792 on December 09, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Nic Maddinson averages 23 in fc for 2014,

All the others mentioned almost double his average.


But Gerry has a point, finch is middle order for not just Victoria, but was batting 6th for the mighty Yorkshire too.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 10:54:23 PM
KP was a off spinner when he came to England who could bat a bit..

Cricket is too often thought about inside the box.

Warner did not start as a opener for NSW either...
That was probably due to NSW having every centrally contracted opener on their books - Katich, Hughes, Watson, Jaques etc
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 09, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Maybe the wildcard if he keeps it up

Bancroft???
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 09, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
Personally still think Tim Paine deserves another go. Fine player, but ever since Nannes shattered his hand, he's lost something
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: skip1973 on December 09, 2014, 11:19:00 PM
Tasmania just dropped Paine, he is right off the radar.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Vic Nicholas on December 10, 2014, 06:05:45 AM
Steve Smith has slapped his way to yet another test hundred.

Where is that goose Freddie Flintoff, who took to Twitter to tell the world how he thought that the 21 year old Steve Smith was quite possibly the worst number 6 batsman he had ever seen? What were you doing at 21 Freddie, aside from eating pizzas and being a fat f**k?

Michael Clarke surprised everybody when he walked out to bat this morning. It was immediately obvious he cannot bend and play shots properly. Playing unusual stiff back swipes, Clarke has somehow turned his 60 Retired Hurt into a gutsy hundred. I have never seen anything quite like it.

Will be interesting to see how the much vaunted Indian batting line up goes on this flat pitch. Rain has wiped out a large chunk of play though...so, will be interesting to see if either team can force a result.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 10, 2014, 06:09:00 AM
Steve Smith has slapped his way to yet another test hundred.

Where is that goose Freddie Flintoff, who took to Twitter to tell the world how he thought that the 21 year old Steve Smith was quite possibly the worst number 6 batsman he had ever seen? What were you doing at 21 Freddie, aside from eating pizzas and being a fat f**k?

Michael Clarke surprised everybody when he walked out to bat this morning. It was immediately obvious he cannot bend and play shots properly. Playing unusual stiff back swipes, Clarke has somehow turned his 60 Retired Hurt into a gutsy hundred. I have never seen anything quite like it.

Will be interesting to see how the much vaunted Indian batting line up goes on this flat pitch. Rain has wiped out a large chunk of play though...so, will be interesting to see if either team can force a result.

Knowing Clarkes captaining style I would say he will set the game so India have a small sniff of victory to give Australia a chance to take control and win
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: InternalTraining on December 10, 2014, 06:28:22 AM
Michael Clarke surprised everybody when he walked out to bat this morning. It was immediately obvious he cannot bend and play shots properly. Playing unusual stiff back swipes, Clarke has somehow turned his 60 Retired Hurt into a gutsy hundred. I have never seen anything quite like it.

Will be interesting to see how the much vaunted Indian batting line up goes on this flat pitch. Rain has wiped out a large chunk of play though...so, will be interesting to see if either team can force a result.

No, you didn't. Here come gripes about "unsporting" pitches.  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ppccopener on December 10, 2014, 08:31:00 AM
Clarke is a brilliant player and captain.Savour it now thou because his back condition is getting worse
Atherton retired around the same age with a chronic back condition
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 10, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
Clarke is a brilliant player and captain.Savour it now thou because his back condition is getting worse
Atherton retired around the same age with a chronic back condition

But you are comparing a soft Englishman to a hard Aussie ;) :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 10, 2014, 09:31:38 AM
Steve 'Clubbie' Smith is rapidly becoming my favourite player in the game. Love watching him bat.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 10, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Steve 'Clubbie' Smith is rapidly becoming my favourite player in the game. Love watching him bat.

They showed a replay of a shot he played today... The camera was directly above him.... It was one of his usually slappy shots but from above it showed how he held his shape and technically it looked quite good
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 10, 2014, 09:41:37 AM
They showed a replay of a shot he played today... The camera was directly above him.... It was one of his usually slappy shots but from above it showed how he held his shape and technically it looked quite good

not quite got that far :)  Just starting todays play so get to watch clarke and him get tons then see the analysis.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 10, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
I think it was when they came back after the first rain break
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: uknsaunders on December 10, 2014, 10:07:15 AM
I watched about half an hour of the first session and India's bowling to Clarke was dreadful. Here's a guy who cannot bend or extend his front foot and he's not having to reach for anything. Having had back issues, getting forward to a ball is hard to do but India simply didn't think about it. If they can't get a crock out (no matter how well or bravely he batted) then it's going to be a long series.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 10, 2014, 10:12:08 AM
After the rain delay they bowled bouncers at him from around the wicket.... The umpire said " Change of plan Michael, they are bowling body line" Classic comment!!!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 10, 2014, 10:34:12 AM
Magnificent centuries by Pup and Steve Smith. Australia's next Test captain is without question going to be Smith.

First time in Australia's Test history that three centurions have come from the same state.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Vic Nicholas on December 10, 2014, 10:43:14 AM
No, you didn't. Here come gripes about "unsporting" pitches.  :D

The pitch is a typical Adelaide pitch of the like that have remained largely unaltered since the mid 70s.

You can score 500 in your first innings, but then the wicket takes spin on day five and makes chasing rather hard.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Vic Nicholas on December 10, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
Clarke is a brilliant player and captain.Savour it now thou because his back condition is getting worse
Atherton retired around the same age with a chronic back condition

I fear you will be proven correct.

Michael Slater also has the same spinal condition and his career ended earlier than it should have.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: iand123 on December 10, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
Steve Smith has slapped his way to yet another test hundred.

Where is that goose Freddie Flintoff, who took to Twitter to tell the world how he thought that the 21 year old Steve Smith was quite possibly the worst number 6 batsman he had ever seen? What were you doing at 21 Freddie, aside from eating pizzas and being a fat f**k?

Michael Clarke surprised everybody when he walked out to bat this morning. It was immediately obvious he cannot bend and play shots properly. Playing unusual stiff back swipes, Clarke has somehow turned his 60 Retired Hurt into a gutsy hundred. I have never seen anything quite like it.

Will be interesting to see how the much vaunted Indian batting line up goes on this flat pitch. Rain has wiped out a large chunk of play though...so, will be interesting to see if either team can force a result.

I think alot of people had that opinion of Smith when he first played for Aus, just goes to show

a) players grow alot from when they are 21
b) ex-pro's and pundits frequently talk rubbish
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: csnew on December 11, 2014, 07:17:09 AM
Sub continent pitches have more in it for the bowlers than this pitch. Had this been played on the sub continent I'm sure we would have got pages and pages of comments about the track and not how well the Aussies batted. Just puts into context those knocks when kohli can smash Johnson around the park.
Embarrassing when Lyon is the most potent bowler on both sides. India probably unlucky to be 4 down
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: The Palmist on December 11, 2014, 07:39:50 AM
Surprised some saw Spd as clubbie. He showed his class and temperament even in IPL. You could see he was always adapting to the  game.

Good to see Indians  getting some runs should make a good series.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 11, 2014, 09:35:54 AM
I'm not sure there's anything wrong with pitch. There's something in it for the quicks if they bowl the correct line and lengths.

India's quick bowlers lacked the skills as to how to bowl to this pitch. In Australia's case it's more rustiness. Johnson got better as the day went on.

But Australia made an error by not selecting Hazlewood, as Siddle was dreadful.

Pitch seems to be breaking up now, if Australia get a 100 run lead they'd back themselves to wins on D5.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: The Palmist on December 11, 2014, 11:12:27 AM
India's quick bowlers lacked the skills as to how to bowl to this pitch.

That goes for any pitch for them really.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Buzz on December 11, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
Awesome from Virat and Che overnight.
It will be interesting to see how the Indian tail goes tonight against a newish ball. they are only 148 behind - if they can get within 50 there is a real game on.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Stuey on December 11, 2014, 01:25:02 PM
Another blow to the noggin http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30425629 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30425629)
I've yet to see the footage, but could the regularity in reporting of batsmen being hit be due to looser techniques brought in by the amount of ODI/T20 being played or just more media focus?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: The Palmist on December 11, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
Is there anyway one can watch highlights without sky sports.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on December 11, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
Another blow to the noggin [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30425629[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30425629[/url])
I've yet to see the footage, but could the regularity in reporting of batsmen being hit be due to looser techniques brought in by the amount of ODI/T20 being played or just more media focus?

"Johnson was visibly shaken by the incident"

Simple answer, stop bowling 95mph thunderbolts at the batsman's head then!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: smilley792 on December 11, 2014, 02:53:39 PM
In fairness it wasn't that short. Kohli ducked into it not judging the length.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ppccopener on December 11, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
and that is the problem in the post helmet era,you have to wear one to prevent injury,but there are more hits on the head now than there were back in the day.You tube anything from lille and Thomson v England in the 70's to Brian Close and England V Holding and the West Indies.How they batted without head protection is beyond belief,but they did and there were few really bad injuries....
Presuming the powers that be don't outlaw fast short pitched bowling the answer is re-designed helmets with more protection.
It's impossible to believe cricket would go backwards and reduce protection but the plain facts are less players got hit back then compared to today.
It's a difficult issue to solve...
rules were already put in place to prevent continuous short pitched bowling years ago.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Stuey on December 11, 2014, 03:17:14 PM
I think the onus is on the batsman to improve their judgement and technique, after all it's their career. The bowlers have enough to battle against, flat pitches, bouncer restrictions, strict wides etc..... Batsmen need to take responsibility, maybe less practising of 20/20 hitting and more on technique?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 12, 2014, 09:42:35 PM
Australia probably landed the deciding blow in the first Test on day 4.

Nathan Lyon's 5/136 ensured Australia gained a 78 run lead on first innings.

Then David Warner joined the legends of the game by scoring a 102 in the second innings. He becomes one of very few to score 100 in each innings of Test multiple times. And joined Gavaskar, Walcott, de Silva and Ponting to do it in  multiple times in the same year.

Australia lead by 367. Declaration should happen overnight.

The game got feisty today. Clashes between Aaron, Warner and Dhawan. Followed by Rohit, Smith and Kohli.

Australia and India just can't do friendly...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 12, 2014, 09:46:24 PM
"Johnson was visibly shaken by the incident"

Simple answer, stop bowling 95mph thunderbolts at the batsman's head then!

I think it's the batsmen's fault. They are not playing the short ball with enough respect. Stop taking your eye off it and stop trying to smack everything, play properly and stop playing ODI/T20 biffing in Test match cricket.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: smilley792 on December 12, 2014, 09:51:55 PM
I think it's the batsmen's fault. They are not playing the short ball with enough respect. Stop taking your eye off it and stop trying to smack everything, play properly and stop playing ODI/T20 biffing in Test match cricket.

He ducked into it. Stop turning every thread into moans on biffing. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 12, 2014, 11:20:07 PM
As expected Australia declared. India have been set(a nominal) 363 runs off 98 overs. 3.7RPO for the optimists out there... 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: joeljonno on December 12, 2014, 11:43:10 PM

As expected Australia declared. India have been set(a nominal) 363 runs off 98 overs. 3.7RPO for the optimists out there...

Should be plenty ... But you never know.

I think the first session is key this morning. If the Aussies can get 3 by lunch, they will be in with a great shot of winning this.

Really can't see India getting that unless something goes wrong with the Aussie bowling attack.


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Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: smilley792 on December 12, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
That looked shoulder to me.

When are the Indians ever gonna start using drs.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Vic Nicholas on December 12, 2014, 11:58:26 PM
That looked shoulder to me.

When are the Indians ever gonna start using drs.
Agree.

Looked like it missed the gloves and hit nothing but shoulder.  DRS would almost certainly have saved him.

Pity the Indians avoid it.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 13, 2014, 12:16:09 AM
Mitch Johnson looks to be hitting his straps. Doesn't bode well for the Indians if they get beaten today.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Steveo1000 on December 13, 2014, 12:52:52 AM
I generally really like the Aussie commentary but I am finding this test match to be a little to Aussie biased. It could do with a little more balance, interesting that they have not got an Indian commentator as part of their team for this test match.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 13, 2014, 01:25:33 AM
India must've regretted not selecting Ashwin for this match. Lyon's got 6 in the match thus far and he's not a patch on the Indian off spinner.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: csnew on December 13, 2014, 05:34:56 AM
130 needed of 30 overs and 2 set batsmen. Has to be india's game. Will be a pretty remarkable chase if they do.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: InternalTraining on December 13, 2014, 05:43:51 AM
Umpire Erasmus is incompetent .
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: coolcucumber_1 on December 13, 2014, 06:33:21 AM
Isn't Kohli playing a blinder though .... what an innings
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Silver Bullet on December 13, 2014, 06:42:18 AM
Mitchell marsh almost messed that up...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: skip1973 on December 13, 2014, 07:11:53 AM
Umpire Erasmus is incompetent .
Actually I reckon he is one of the best.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 13, 2014, 07:36:53 AM
Knowing Clarkes captaining style I would say he will set the game so India have a small sniff of victory to give Australia a chance to take control and win

^^^^^ This
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 13, 2014, 07:44:47 AM
Turned into a real entertaining Test match. Kohli showed the technical changes needed after a woeful trip to England and showed his class. Also the main difference Australian batsmen passed 50 5 times, 4 times they converted to a 100. Whereas India passed 50 6 times, yet on Kohli registered a 100, well in fact he got 2.

Looks like Pup will miss out on Brisbane and Kohli could be banned.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: skip1973 on December 13, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
That will be the tamest wicket they get as well, was a good game considering the time lost, less ambitious captains could have settled for a draw. Hopefully Johnson will be less timid next game as well.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: procricket on December 13, 2014, 09:42:04 AM
I doubt clarke will ever play again
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Vitas Cricket on December 13, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
Fitting way to finish off in honour of your best mate. I think he knows he never should have started the game, but barring a broken leg/arm, there was no way he wasn't going to play this one.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: smilley792 on December 13, 2014, 09:51:27 AM
Clarke also doubts he'll play again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30461652 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30461652)


A shame but a fitting way to finish.

Who comes in with the bat? And who takes over as skipper?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on December 13, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
Haddin is vice captain, so would be the obvious choice for the rest of the series.
Following that Smifffy will (hopefully) be named test captain.

Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Vic Nicholas on December 13, 2014, 01:21:17 PM
I doubt clarke will ever play again

He'll be playing in the First Ashes test of 2015.

How much longer he lasts is up for debate - but this won't be his last test.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: InternalTraining on December 13, 2014, 02:47:03 PM
You don't say...

Actually I reckon he is one of the best.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: InternalTraining on December 13, 2014, 02:48:06 PM
Oh no, not Clarkey, not again. I will miss watching him bat.  :(
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Gerry SA on December 13, 2014, 08:39:37 PM
India might get a lift now Pup's out of the series. His batting aside, his captaincy is not replaceable. I really wanted Pup to play the SCG Test.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: mad_abt_cricket on December 14, 2014, 07:21:42 AM
That's the first time I have ever seen India playing for a win instead of a draw even when they lost wickets in a hurry. Kohli could have easily shut the shop and have played out the bulk of the remaining 20 overs. Its a refreshing change. I hope he gets the test captaincy asap permanently from Dhoni.
His century in the second innings was one of the best ever. Hope he can continue with the same mindset.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: skip1973 on December 14, 2014, 08:42:51 AM
Was much better than Dhoni, he ranks with Strauss and Cook as the most unimaginative, negative captains ever.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 14, 2014, 08:44:57 AM
Good test match cricket. Both sides playing to win rather than one side giving up. Declarations were good from Clarke and indian tried to win. Can't ask more from a game. This was far more exciting than any of the SL vs eng ODI games put together!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 1st Test @ The Adelaide Oval
Post by: Number4 on December 14, 2014, 08:47:45 AM
Pity Kohli threw his wicket away by playing a rash shot when only 50 odd runs were required off 80 odd balls with wickets in hand
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 14, 2014, 11:41:17 PM
Steven Smith set to become Australia's 45th Test captain after he will take over(for the rest of this series) from the injured Michael Clarke.

As 25 years old, he will be Australia's third youngest Test captain.

Little harsh on VC Brad Haddin, as I felt he deserved the captaincy in Clarke's absence, but good forward thinking by Cricket Australia.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: joeljonno on December 14, 2014, 11:47:30 PM

Steven Smith set to become Australia's 45th Test captain after he will take over(for the rest of this series) from the injured Michael Clarke.

As 25 years old, he will be Australia's third youngest Test captain.

Little harsh on VC Brad Haddin, as I felt he deserved the captaincy in Clarke's absence, but good forward thinking by Cricket Australia.

Clarke backs Haddin. Would be harsh on him if he didn't.

But

One up again India at home is a good time to blood a new captain.


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Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 14, 2014, 11:52:38 PM
Clarke backs Haddin. Would be harsh on him if he didn't.

But

One up again India at home is a good time to blood a new captain.


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It would be easier for Clarke to regain the captaincy off Haddin, if and when he's ever fully fit.

If Smith bags a whitewash against India, it's hard to see Clarke getting the captaincy back.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: InternalTraining on December 15, 2014, 01:09:13 AM
Clarke (and Cook for that matter) should just focus on the scoring runs and breaking records. Captaincy is a headache. Hopefully Clarke will come back I resume his batting.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: InternalTraining on December 15, 2014, 01:11:01 AM
Is Smith tough enough to lead Australia in the absence of Clarke? Virat Kohli seem to be pushing Smith around on the fourth day of the Adelaide test match.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 15, 2014, 01:12:08 AM
Is Smith tough enough to lead Australia in the absence of Clarke? Virat Kohli seem to be pushing Smith around on the fourth day of the Adelaide test match.
Smith's got his pal Warner watching his back...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: InternalTraining on December 15, 2014, 01:21:30 AM
Good for him, gotta have pals. Cricket has become a dirty business.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: joeljonno on December 15, 2014, 11:31:51 AM
Was reading up as a mate is playing for Sutherland this season and Smith has had a fair bit of captaincy experience.

I don't think he needs Warner watching his back as such but he is always up for a scrap.

You look at Australia and think just when they are getting a settled team things like this happen. They have another phases of rebuilding coming with the likes of Clarke, Watson  and Rogers all potential to leave the team in the next couple of years.

Add the potency of injuries to bowlers and the fact Siddle has gone off the boil it will be an interests 24 months.


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Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 16, 2014, 09:22:12 AM
Three changes for Australia.

Shaun Marsh replaces Michael Clarke. But Smith will bat at 4 and Marsh at 5.

Harris is injured and replaced by the debuting Josh Hazlewood. And Peter Siddle has been dropped for the fiery Mitchell Starc.

India two changes.

Dhoni in for Saha. Ashwin for Karn. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Kieron_BT on December 16, 2014, 09:29:38 AM
What has happened to Siddle?

Why has he lost his pace etc.?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 16, 2014, 09:34:47 AM
What has happened to Siddle?

Why has he lost his pace etc.?
Since he became a vegan he's lost body mass and strength.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: skip1973 on December 16, 2014, 10:05:31 AM
And he's always sick, he needs a steak badly!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 16, 2014, 11:34:34 PM
Returning Indian skipper MS Dhoni wins a rare toss and elects to bat first on a belter.

Lone additional change for India Umesh Yadav in, Shami out.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on December 16, 2014, 11:38:09 PM
And he's always sick, he needs a steak badly!

If we weren't meant to eat animals they wouldn't be made of food!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on December 16, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
What's the most Mitchell's to play in the same test match?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 17, 2014, 12:54:26 AM
Australian attack looks a little friendly without the relentless Ryan Harris.

Mitchell Starc wayward. Mitchell Marsh very much medium pace.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: skip1973 on December 17, 2014, 02:03:10 AM
Johnson still too timid.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: benny231 on December 17, 2014, 03:27:42 AM
And now, as if the indians needed more convincing to take up the DRS, Pujara gets a roughy. If the ICC can enforce the DRS in all ICC sanctioned international Tournaments (CWC, Champions Trophy) why can't they enforce it for all test teams?

Or shouldn't it be the home team's decision as to whether or not it's used?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: i12breakfree on December 17, 2014, 03:30:36 AM
Hope after this series India starts using DRS
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: benny231 on December 17, 2014, 03:35:07 AM
ICC should be enforcing it, and paying for the technology. Bit of a joke in series like Pak v NZ when there is no snicko or hotspot, whats the point of reviewing a caught behind?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: csnew on December 17, 2014, 07:21:21 AM
Decent knock from vijay. The others probably threw their wickets away with poor shots.

Aussie bowling looks in trouble with only Lyon fit. Better hope for some wickets with the new ball. Surprised the umpires/Indians allowed hazelwood and starc to go off and have sub fielders for cramp/heat exhaustion. That's a lack of fitness and thought subs weren't allowed for that
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: benny231 on December 17, 2014, 07:28:41 AM
Surprised the umpires/Indians allowed hazelwood and starc to go off and have sub fielders for cramp/heat exhaustion. That's a lack of fitness and thought subs weren't allowed for that
Nothing new about this though.. How often do you see a bloke score big runs in a ODI and not take the field straight after?

Aussie bowlers haven't looked that bad, the Indian batsmen have just been very patient and, bar 2 cut shots, have been very good leaving the ball wide of off. Will be interesting in the morning with the bowlers that little bit fresher and the pitch supposedly quickening up.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 17, 2014, 08:20:29 AM
I guess Shaun Marsh regrets dropping Murali Vijay when he was only on 36...

Anyway Vijay's really grabbed the bull by the horns in 2014. Scored his first two Tesr hundreds outside India(Nottingham and Brisbane). Throw in a 95 at Lords, 97 at Centurion and 99 in Adelaide. Probably closed the door for good on Sehwag and Gambhir.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 17, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Dreadful over rate by the Australians as well. Only bowling 83 overs.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: smilley792 on December 17, 2014, 08:57:31 AM
Aussie looked highly unfit and under prepared.

Johnson with side issues
Stark too not all there.
Hazelwood with cramp
Marsh hamstring.


Indians batted well and made the runs. If the aussie bat well its a draw, but the Indians have a big big chance here.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: edge on December 17, 2014, 09:07:53 AM
Seems to be a recurring problem over the last few years with Australian players and fitness issues, I doubt it's as simple an issue as blaming the team physio/doctor but I'm amazed they haven't made some kind of change!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 17, 2014, 09:19:17 AM
TBF it was roasting in Brisbane, peaked at 39 degrees with high humidity. Pitch seemed to have tennis ball bounce as well.

Pitch might favour India's shorter, skiddy fast bowlers.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 17, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
Mitchell Marsh won't bowl again in this Test.

Usman Khawaja has torn his ACL and is out for 8/10 months. Very disappointing for Khawaja as he was considered a front runner for a place in Australia's World Cup squad(top scorer in the domestic one day tournament) and looked certain to be in the Ashes squad.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2014, 12:43:29 AM
Best possible start for Australia. 2 quick wickets. Could knock them over for under 400
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 18, 2014, 10:24:42 AM
India might've blown their best chance of getting anything from this series on day 2 in Brisbane.

Josh Hazlewood's debut 5/68 really brought Australia back into the game. When it looked like the Indians might get 500+

Australia 4/221 at the close. Steven Smith 65* and unbeaten in the series. Rogers got a fifty as well. Yadav was pretty impressive.

If Australia get a lead of 50/100, and India's history of collapsing, Australia could be the only team capable of winning this Test. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: i12breakfree on December 19, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
Mitch marsh gone. I doubt if he is good for test matches.
He is a good ODI and t20 player
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 19, 2014, 02:35:14 AM
Wheels fell off for India after Dhoni decided to have his quick bowlers bomb Mitchell Johnson with short stuff.

Johnson took them apart 60 odd in rapid time. Smith hundred in debut match as skipper. They've piled on 100 odd in 80 odd balls. Carnage.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: mp07 on December 19, 2014, 03:11:48 AM
I am surprised they are not playing Bailey...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on December 19, 2014, 10:46:28 PM
Watching the highlights, Mitchell Johnson batting well.

I also notice he's wearing what looks like a masuri club, seems strange he'd go for the entry level helmet if that is what he's using
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Gerry SA on December 20, 2014, 12:37:01 AM
Good morning Mitchell, we've been expecting...the words India where dreading

Dhawan clean up in the nets and in hospital.

Johnson has bagged Kohli(1), Rahane(10) and Rohit(0).

Australia on the verge of a soul destroying victory.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: i12breakfree on December 20, 2014, 02:11:58 AM
Just saw the score - India 157/7
Mitchell Johnson back in form
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Number4 on December 20, 2014, 10:07:02 AM
Aussies win by 4 wickets
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Manormanic on December 20, 2014, 10:08:47 AM
not a bad win rfom where they were at the close on day one.  India really are a shambles though, absolutely embarrassing.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 20, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
not a bad win rfom where they were at the close on day one.  India really are a shambles though, absolutely embarrassing.

They are a team of t20 and ODI players, we and they can't expect these guys to be able to play test cricket.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Manormanic on December 20, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
They are a team of t20 and ODI players, we and they can't expect these guys to be able to play test cricket.

Thats not entirely accurate though, is it?  Aside from test specialists like Vijay and Pujara, they have a number of guys with excellent test records.  They should certainly be doing better than they are...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: InternalTraining on December 20, 2014, 01:26:42 PM
Were those on-field antics necessary against someone like, say, Mitchell Johnson? All that "verbal barrage" did was to wake him up. He just opened a can of "whup ass" with his bat. It looked comical when all that "talk" was not backed up with good cricket.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: smilley792 on December 20, 2014, 01:30:02 PM
They are a team of t20 and ODI players, we and they can't expect these guys to be able to play test cricket.

That are doing x10 better than our test team did, that can't play odi/t20 stuff to save there lives.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: i12breakfree on December 20, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
R Sharma needs to be benched. Raina has been on some great form and he should be given a chance.
Still a very poor outing by team India - kohli , Rahane , dhoni all need to contribute
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 20, 2014, 04:37:49 PM
That are doing x10 better than our test team did, that can't play odi/t20 stuff to save there lives.

Not sure I said England could??
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on December 20, 2014, 04:39:21 PM
Thats not entirely accurate though, is it?  Aside from test specialists like Vijay and Pujara, they have a number of guys with excellent test records.  They should certainly be doing better than they are...

Dharwan a test opener? really.. His forward defence is more like a drive attempt. Anyway, I only offered an opinion and we are all allowed one.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: skip1973 on December 20, 2014, 11:12:21 PM
Yours seem to get put across as fact rather than opinion though PC.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: swamidude on December 21, 2014, 03:37:29 PM
They can't all be a bunch of t20 or odi players, because they've scored 400+ twice, and 300 in the final innings at the Adelaide. I'd say most teams would be pretty proud of that against Australia in their own backyard. Mitchell Johnson has been carted by the Indian batsmen for 8 days  until that one spell last night.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Vic Nicholas on December 23, 2014, 10:27:12 AM
Mitchell Johnson has been carted by the Indian batsmen for 8 days  until that one spell last night.

Yeah, because these pitches have been deadened at the BCCI's insistence.

If the pitches were normal Oz pitches, the Indians would be getting crushed inside 3 days in every test.

That spells bad news for TV rights cash.

BCCI have their fingerprints all over this. I have never seen Australian pitches so slow and dead...obviously designed to take all the tests into the fifth day and avoid the wanton slaughter of Indian batsman.

You can call it "reverse doctoring". Pitches doctored to cater to the visiting team and make the series competitive.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: skip1973 on December 23, 2014, 10:37:10 AM
Maybe it was an Indian on the grassy knoll? Sorry Vic but that's all garbage, Adelaide was Adelaide Brissy was close. It's more to do with our bowlers being timid still after the Phil Hughes accident.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 2nd Test @ The Gabba
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on December 23, 2014, 08:06:30 PM
I think having both matches moved by a couple of weeks may have upset the curators preparation of the respective pitches although both held up remarkably well....
India's batting lineup is very talented but is displaying the result of not enough practice matches before the series started, for various reasons.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 04, 2015, 03:32:43 PM
Fourth and final Test starts on Tuesday.

Will be tough on the NSW players whom played when Phillip Hughes was fatally injured. Warner, Watson, Haddin and Starc will be very emotional.

Mitchell Johnson ruled out with a hammy issue. Mitchell Starc or Ashton Agar will probably come in.

India looking at playing 5 bowlers, with Axar Patel looking likely to debut. Suresh Raina also looking set to get a Test recall. Dhawan likely to finally get dropped. Saha has a thumb injury which might mean Dhoni has to come out of retirement. LS Rahul could be retained despite his dreadful debut. Pujara might also get the axe.

Australia will win, and win well.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: The Palmist on January 04, 2015, 04:07:58 PM
If BCCI had something  to do with  pitches  then massive shame on Cricket Australia for letting  it happen  on their own soil.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: csnew on January 04, 2015, 04:26:39 PM
If BCCI had something  to do with  pitches  then massive shame on Cricket Australia for letting  it happen  on their own soil.

Doubt anything to do with bcci. Simple economics from the cricket Australia. A test going 5 days is far more profitable than one ending in 3 days
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: swamidude on January 04, 2015, 05:28:58 PM
Sorry I may have got this wrong, but aren't there 5 days of test cricket so that you can have a long, gruelling contest? It means batsmen have to make 100s, it means bowlers of both spin and pace have to work for their wickets. Of course you can produce green tops where sides are skittled for 100 but where's the contest there. It's just whoever can find the gaps in the slips more often!
I enjoy watching a good test match which goes the distance, and allows seamers, spinners and batsmen to affect the result.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 04, 2015, 05:36:40 PM
Sorry I may have got this wrong, but aren't there 5 days of test cricket so that you can have a long, gruelling contest? It means batsmen have to make 100s, it means bowlers of both spin and pace have to work for their wickets. Of course you can produce green tops where sides are skittled for 100 but where's the contest there. It's just whoever can find the gaps in the slips more often!
I enjoy watching a good test match which goes the distance, and allows seamers, spinners and batsmen to affect the result.

 100 ao is as borin as 550-4 playing 480-7.. You need a sporting wicket. One that seams about, but not dramatically, a ball that swings for 30-40 overs.. And a wicket that starts to spin for day 4-5.

Simple fact is, cricket comes second to economics.. Venues and boards NEED tests to go for 5 days.. So produce wickets to that effect (obviously you have the odd sporting wicket but generally they sure flat batting tracks) .
A gruelling test of a batsmen is 100 off 200+ balls where they've had to work hard against the moving ball.. It's not really gruelling to blast 100 off 120 balls when you just hit through the line of it because it's not really swinging much or seaming etc
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: potzy248 on January 04, 2015, 07:16:28 PM
Interesting looking GN Warner is holding. Stamps up really high.

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Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 04, 2015, 10:08:35 PM
^ Channel 9 commentators looked at his bat and what they said was that it weighs 2 lbs. 9 oz. It is a behemoth. I'm sure it's either over-dried willow or rare low density cleft.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Stuey on January 04, 2015, 10:49:00 PM
Interesting looking GN Warner is holding. Stamps up really high.

https://www.facebook.com/foxsportsaus/photos/a.140640605947754.25290.121538134524668/919336311411509/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/foxsportsaus/photos/a.140640605947754.25290.121538134524668/919336311411509/?type=1&theater)
The size of that stick!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 04, 2015, 11:49:36 PM
That cannot be 2.9lb... unless GN have found a way to warp the basic laws of physics...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: procricket on January 05, 2015, 12:09:33 AM
GN cut some of there own wood of course it could be 2-9

You see it not just about density it about how the merchants cut the clefts...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gingerbusiness on January 05, 2015, 12:12:35 AM
It looks like a very thin SSH to me too
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 05, 2015, 01:10:14 AM
That cannot be 2.9lb... unless GN have found a way to warp the basic laws of physics...

It was either Ian Healey or Mark Taylor who picked up Warner's bat and talked to him about it. They said that Warner told them that his bat weighs 2-9. They also commented that by the third test, the bat was taped up in two or three different places indicating that these bats don't last very long. Over dry cleft? Low-density cleft? Haven't we heard this before.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 05, 2015, 01:12:35 AM
GN cut some of there own wood of course it could be 2-9

You see it not just about density it about how the merchants cut the clefts...

I am curious about this. How does the cutting of the cleft result in a lighter but bigger bat? Instead of creating those pie shaped pieces, are you saying that the shape they cut is a bigger slice or block from the tree trunk? If that is the case, there is bound to be more "wastage".
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gingerbusiness on January 05, 2015, 03:16:04 AM
Pressing will be done for total performance, not for durability in the slightest. It will also be an oversized, over-dried and low density piece of willow. Single gripped. It's more than possible.

KP is the same. He just takes a new one out of the wrapper and goes. No prep on his part.

What I find interesting is the stamps... Why are they there?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gingerbusiness on January 05, 2015, 03:22:23 AM
Just been looking at pics of Warners old bats - he has definitely changed the shape over the last 18 months.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Jason_Yuan on January 05, 2015, 04:00:39 AM
only one changes for the aussie, starc in for johnson, personally think should give Agar another chance...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: langer17 on January 05, 2015, 04:11:08 AM
It could also simply be a heavier training bat, like Paul Collingwood used to use.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: procricket on January 05, 2015, 07:21:10 AM
I am curious about this. How does the cutting of the cleft result in a lighter but bigger bat? Instead of creating those pie shaped pieces, are you saying that the shape they cut is a bigger slice or block from the tree trunk? If that is the case, there is bound to be more "wastage".

Because the cleff is cut a certain way by the merchants certain sizes are impossible and Becaaue grays cut there own they can create different dimensions.

Take the hell 4leather massive spine bat that would not come from a "normal cleff" but oversized that's my point and yes it will be low density/dried.

As for the size being linked to "performance pressing" but far fetched that.

Also flatter face and sharper edges add around 2-3mm onto the edge and camra angle.

He is a flagship player of course he will get top stuff I would not for once instance think it would be pressed much difference to anybody else's bat at all.

Bar size players bats 90 per cent of the time are the same we get bar size to weight ratio. People talk about mythical things but there simply not there.

As for this performance pressing thing well that simply is not the case mate as we are looking for stiffness in the blade which is a different thing.

My theory on bats is simple get a handled cleft unshaped but pressed bounce a ball on it you will understand then about vibration and stiffness in blades.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 05, 2015, 11:06:44 PM
Steven Smith wins the toss and elects to bat.

One change for Australia, Johnson out Starc in.

FOUR changes for India:

Out: Dhawan, Pujara, Dhoni & Ishant

In: Rohit, Raina, Saha & Kumar.
KL Rahul up to opener, Rohit at 3, Raina at 6.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 05, 2015, 11:10:41 PM
Ishant was named VC and promptly dropped #HeadsGone

Pujara axing was justified as he's failed to live up to the hype in NZ, ENG and OZ
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 05, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
Veteran Chris Rogers playing his final Test match in Australia, would be nice for him to bag a 100
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on January 05, 2015, 11:18:09 PM
Pressing will be done for total performance, not for durability in the slightest.

Interesting, then, that Warner chooses to oil his bats? Not many pros do.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on January 05, 2015, 11:21:49 PM

As for the size being linked to "performance pressing" but far fetched that.


I heard Ian Botham make this mistake on TV. No-one questioned him, obviously. ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Sam on January 05, 2015, 11:25:20 PM
Brilliant tribute to Hughes there from Clarke.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: sayed on January 05, 2015, 11:54:03 PM
Raina didn't play a single First Class or Test match in 2014 and he is playing!  :o
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 06, 2015, 01:23:35 AM
Rogers and Warner pounding the Indians into the dirt in the first session. 118-0 off 25 overs!

Shocking bowling by the Indian seam bowlers and KL Rahul dropped a clanger in the slips as well.
Title: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: i12breakfree on January 06, 2015, 05:20:52 AM
Poor captaincy with too many bowling changes from kohli are not helping.
Hope he will learn from all this .
Steve smith is playing at a different level all together - an unforced error looks to be the only way he can get out.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 06, 2015, 05:34:38 AM
Because the cleff is cut a certain way by the merchants certain sizes are impossible and Becaaue grays cut there own they can create different dimensions.

Take the hell 4leather massive spine bat that would not come from a "normal cleff" but oversized that's my point and yes it will be low density/dried.


I am day dreaming of a bat like that.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 06, 2015, 01:15:17 PM
There's a saying in boxing 'skills pay the bills', unfortunately for India's bowlers is rings true as well. That lack the skills for Test cricket. They simply can't even bowl to a plan. Off stump channel. They are over all the shop. Dreadful.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: csnew on January 06, 2015, 01:19:30 PM
There's a saying in boxing 'skills pay the bills', unfortunately for India's bowlers is rings true as well. That lack the skills for Test cricket. They simply can't even bowl to a plan. Off stump channel. They are over all the shop. Dreadful.

Helps if the fielders can catch too ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: uknsaunders on January 06, 2015, 01:37:35 PM
Because the cleff is cut a certain way by the merchants certain sizes are impossible and Becaaue grays cut there own they can create different dimensions.

Take the hell 4leather massive spine bat that would not come from a "normal cleff" but oversized that's my point and yes it will be low density/dried.

The (Old) Tempo spine is partly created by having smaller 25-30mm edges, not the regulation 40mm edges we seem to have. Small edges/Big Spine will create an optical illusion of a bigger spine than say a 40mm bat and 60mm spine. You will also struggle to find a Tempo lower than 2-12. Chances are the only real low density ones are below 2-12 and there wasn't many of them around.  No real mystery to it.

I've played around in the shop with one or two M&H Distinctions in the past and the 2'9-10 ones where pretty ordinary spine wise compared to a 2'13/14 ones.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 06, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Where are the cries of "unsporting" playing conditions?

The boundary is pullled in by another "10 meters" according to Ian Healey ( other commentators commented on it as well). The pitch has no life and this is the third test where this has happened - Adelaide, MCG (and now Sydney) had  "batting" (euphemism for a dead-for-bowlers) pitches.

Boo!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Sam on January 06, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
Where are the cries of "unsporting" playing conditions?

The boundary is pullled in by another "10 meters" according to Ian Healey ( other commentators commented on it as well). The pitch has no life and this is the third test where this has happened - Adelaide, MCG (and now Sydney) had  "batting" (euphemism for a dead-for-bowlers) pitches.

Boo!

To be honest the schedule being mixed around a bit probably hasn't aided the ground staff in preparing ideal pitches that much. Test cricket has its limits on minimum boundary size I believe, and it's equal for both teams (unlike pitch conditions which some may prefer) so I don't really see much of a problem there personally.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: procricket on January 07, 2015, 12:02:08 AM
The (Old) Tempo spine is partly created by having smaller 25-30mm edges, not the regulation 40mm edges we seem to have. Small edges/Big Spine will create an optical illusion of a bigger spine than say a 40mm bat and 60mm spine. You will also struggle to find a Tempo lower than 2-12. Chances are the only real low density ones are below 2-12 and there wasn't many of them around.  No real mystery to it.

I've played around in the shop with one or two M&H Distinctions in the past and the 2'9-10 ones where pretty ordinary spine wise compared to a 2'13/14 ones.

Nick i do not mean H4L are overdried or low density they might be i mean Warners Bat pal.

And it may be a optical illusion but because Matt (Sorry Matt i do believe you cut your own clefts) does his own clefts he cuts them to his requirements giving him control on things like spine hight and with the tempo it spine looks bigger than what a normal sized cleft can give
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: cleanbowled on January 07, 2015, 04:12:52 AM
I think the point about cutting is valid in the sense that it limits how big a bat could be. Standard clefts I think are limited to 70 or 75 mm in raw form, while oversized ones are 80-85mm at the apex with correspondingly bigger edges. So that limits the maximum size possible in terms of edges/spines for most bats.

Pretty sure than GN definitely use oversize clefts on some models (at least in the heavy weights) as their extreme models in the UK (or the Australian Colossus) can be quite massive. If they cut their own, would not be much hassle to use a special cleft for a pro like David Warner. Then you can add all the other aspects like lighter density etc.

As for the optical illusion, i think that is also true particularly with the Tempo or the Distinction. I have a fairly heavy tempo (2.14 or so) with spine around 68mm. On its own it looks very massive, and I think the same applies when you see it in pictures by itself. The small edges and large spine lead to an exaggerated effect in terms of how big it is. Whereas if you compared it to other bats at a similar or slightly heavier weight with the standard large edge profile you can see its not all that massive either (at least in this case).
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 07, 2015, 05:07:15 AM
Starc gives M. Vijay a send off. Bad form! Boo!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: JG on January 07, 2015, 05:13:57 AM
Australia are looking sharp in the outfield! dominant over what seems to be a very 'shaky' indian top order
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: csnew on January 07, 2015, 06:40:48 AM
Starc gives M. Vijay a send off. Bad form! Boo!

Starc putting a nice show for the commentators. "Soft" as warne called him
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: cleanbowled on January 07, 2015, 06:49:59 AM
India have done well not to loose any more wickets. Good to see Rahul get over his nerves and bat pretty well. Rohit Sharma also looking pretty good.

Starc by far the most dangerous of the Aussie bowlers, bowling accurately and quickly (well into the 140's). Should be interesting tomorrow. I would think India would have to get over 400 at the minimum to have a chance of drawing the match.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 07, 2015, 07:06:02 AM
Brad Haddin used Warner's behemoth GN. I am recognized it by the three tapes that were put on it…commentators caught onto that later. :D

I want that bat!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 07, 2015, 07:09:02 AM
Starc putting a nice show for the commentators. "Soft" as warne called him

Class act that warne. He is corrupting the youth.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: JG on January 07, 2015, 08:04:14 AM
Brad Haddin used Warner's behemoth GN. I am recognized it by the three tapes that were put on it…commentators caught onto that later. :D

I want that bat!

Don't you mean Ryan Harris? Especially as Haddin uses a Kookaburra ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 07, 2015, 08:19:04 AM
^ Yup, Ryan Harris.  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 08, 2015, 09:04:24 AM
Virat Kohli hits fourth century of the series. And a record breaking one, becomes first Test skipper to score 100s in each of his three innings. Also breaks Dravid's record of most runs vs australia in a series. Debut hundred for KL Rahul as well. India once again rueing no DRS after Rahane copped a rough one.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: cricketbadger on January 08, 2015, 09:35:42 AM
Raina with a lovely first baller, didnt play a first class match throughout the whole of 2014 (or so i read) but somehow picked for the test side? How does that work out? How does he warrant his place, other than being so far up Kohli's backside he can taste what he had for breakfast. Pair of spoilt little brats sticking together it would seem, he's my mate so lets pick him
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: csnew on January 08, 2015, 09:42:53 AM
*yawn* more 100s this series. Really shocking pitches, probably worse than most subcontinent pitches, least they have some turn. 2 flat track bully batting line ups.
How many more 100's are we going to get. Least the umpire tried to make it interesting by giving a dodgy decision.

Not too sure why they have spidercam for a test match, maybe smith was just using it as an excuse for the dropped catch. Catching in general has been pretty poor this series. Both teams dropping catches nearly every innings

Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: uknsaunders on January 08, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
*yawn* more 100s this series. Really shocking pitches, probably worse than most subcontinent pitches, least they have some turn. 2 flat track bully batting line ups.
How many more 100's are we going to get. Least the umpire tried to make it interesting by giving a dodgy decision.

Not too sure why they have spidercam for a test match, maybe smith was just using it as an excuse for the dropped catch. Catching in general has been pretty poor this series. Both teams dropping catches nearly every innings

Not sure about that. Adelaide was interesting for the spinners, but agree that the pitches have been too flat.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: The Palmist on January 08, 2015, 11:55:58 AM
Raina with a lovely first baller, didnt play a first class match throughout the whole of 2014 (or so i read) but somehow picked for the test side? How does that work out? How does he warrant his place, other than being so far up Kohli's backside he can taste what he had for breakfast. Pair of spoilt little brats sticking together it would seem, he's my mate so lets pick him

I am not sure how he warrants his place probably by his recent form in ODIs and may be India wanting to give him some Aussie experience in preparation for World Cup.

Raina comes from a very humble background and hardly a spoilt brat.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: i12breakfree on January 08, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
Raina's has been in great form in one days and t20s. So good he gets a chance here in the last test match. But if form was the criteria then why M Vijay is not in the World Cup squad .
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 08, 2015, 08:25:21 PM
TBH I'm not sure what the fuss about Raina getting a game is about. It's probably more so done to put a rocket up Pujara, who's been in average form for a while. Unlike Dhawan, Pujara will be back in the side pretty soon.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: The Palmist on January 08, 2015, 10:21:06 PM
I will pick Raina ovet Dhawan any day....odi test or t20. Granted  he is not a natural but he works hard and has improved working on his weaknesses. Anyone who has the guts to charge and send the likes of Brett Lee for six has my respect.

Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 08, 2015, 10:28:48 PM
I will pick Raina ovet Dhawan any day....odi test or t20. Granted  he is not a natural but he works hard and has improved working on his weaknesses. Anyone who has the guts to charge and send the likes of Brett Lee for six has my respect.
Dhawan is rubbish if you ask me. Sure he cam muller it on a flat deck, but his footwork is terrible.

Looking forward India's batting line up could be pretty solid. Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Rohit and Saha. All right handed so potentially ditch Rohit for a leftie.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: thecord on January 08, 2015, 11:50:52 PM
Do my eyes deceive me or was the 4yr old son of the pure they just showed using a B3? Imaginative way to get your brand shown at a televised test if it was!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: procricket on January 08, 2015, 11:53:40 PM
Yes that is true he was using one of our bats looked a cracking little player...

3 stripe as well  :D
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: thecord on January 08, 2015, 11:57:51 PM
Played much straighter than I did at his age, or now for that matter!
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: csnew on January 09, 2015, 07:40:08 AM
Interesting that the Spartan team were at the ground and showing how they make bats. Only caught a bit of it. Wonder who the bat maker was
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on January 09, 2015, 09:28:14 AM
Interesting that the Spartan team were at the ground and showing how they make bats. Only caught a bit of it. Wonder who the bat maker was
Looked like Reg Taylor to me.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Buzz on January 09, 2015, 12:19:37 PM
http://ref.topictimes.com/videos/people/reg-taylor-bat-making---the-cricket-show-full-FaHS7Ihpv9U.html (http://ref.topictimes.com/videos/people/reg-taylor-bat-making---the-cricket-show-full-FaHS7Ihpv9U.html)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 09, 2015, 08:29:28 PM
Why is there a " Watched" icon under Gerry's handle info?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: smilley792 on January 09, 2015, 08:30:27 PM
Because he is being watched.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 09, 2015, 08:32:39 PM
By whom? Why?
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: smilley792 on January 09, 2015, 08:34:02 PM
By whom? Why?

Admin/mods. And because there not happy with his posting. I personally thought it was self explanatory. But maybe im more forum savvy than I thought. 
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 09, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
Why is there a " Watched" icon under Gerry's handle info?
Mods love me mate  ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: The Palmist on January 09, 2015, 09:52:56 PM
Why is there a " Watched" icon under Gerry's handle info?
He probably exercised his freedom of speech at some stage....
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 09, 2015, 11:22:42 PM
Australia declared overnight on 6/251. Setting India 349 runs off 90 overs. A RRR of 3.78. Lyon should have a field day on this pitch though.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 10, 2015, 12:36:52 AM
Lots of appeals. Lyon takes Rahul (the opener's) wicket.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 10, 2015, 12:45:42 AM
Will be interesting if India need 150 off the last session with 5/6 wickets in the bag.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 10, 2015, 12:49:00 AM
Rohit looks like a sitting duck against Lyon...
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: InternalTraining on January 10, 2015, 12:54:45 AM
Will be interesting if India need 150 off the last session with 5/6 wickets in the bag.

Channel 9 commentators are saying that this strategy will back fire on India. I wonder how Sky commentators (mostly Indian?) view this?  Slater/Taylor et-al think that Australia has this in the bag.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: The Palmist on January 10, 2015, 01:14:45 AM
Nothing  to lose for either teams so both should be going for the  kill.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 10, 2015, 01:42:26 AM
It will end in a draw
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: qasim_aziz99 on January 10, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
It will end in a draw

Yh it's  finished a draw. If Australia had a few more overs thy probably would've  won
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 10, 2015, 10:18:32 AM
Yh it's  finished a draw. If Australia had a few more overs thy probably would've  won
Australia didn't get over the line due to Nathan Lyon being too average to get fourth innings wickets on a dustbowl.

Had Australia had a proper spinner they'd have won.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: qasim_aziz99 on January 10, 2015, 10:26:34 AM
Ture but haven't really  had a good spinner since warne retired.
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: rich041187 on January 10, 2015, 03:17:34 PM
Will be interesting to see if any of these young spinners in the bbl Will get drafted in before the ashes. There's definitely a leggy or two who could cause issues for our boys

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Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 10, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
Will be interesting to see if any of these young spinners in the bbl Will get drafted in before the ashes. There's definitely a leggy or two who could cause issues for our boys

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I can't beleive Smiffy hasn't become a front line bowler since taking the captaincy, no point being captain if you don't give yourself a game, is there!  ;)
Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: rich041187 on January 10, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Totally agree, he's got to recognise the mix of half trackers and full bungers as a dreamy tactic to buy wickets.


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Title: Re: Australia vs India 4th Test @ The S.C.G.
Post by: Gerry SA on January 10, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
Might be safe to assume that Raina won't be playing much Test cricket in the future. Following his pair in the S.C.G. Test, his last 7 Test innings read 0, 0, 3, 55, 0, 0, 0.