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Title: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 13, 2008, 06:58:00 AM
I was just wondering do people he has sone enough in county cricket to worrent his place back in the England team? Because pesonally i don't. I think if he were to get picked we would need to drop a bowler because his batting isn't strong enough at the moment and i don't think it would be fair to drop one of the bowlers currently who haven't done a thing wrong. I think Colly needs to be given one more test and if he doesn't perform we should bring in Shah or Bopara. If they do drop colly for Freddie we should get rid of Ambrose as well and bring a better batsmen in to give support.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Sambo on July 13, 2008, 09:01:52 AM
then who keeps? flintoff has done enough to worrant selection as of what he has done. If the english selectors can't give a spot to the former captain, saviour of the 2005. Well i feel that they are to hard to please
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 13, 2008, 07:49:03 PM
I meant bring in a better batsmen keeper but after today i think we  need a new keeper pronto. If i was a selecter i would choose Foster.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Sambo on July 13, 2008, 10:20:55 PM
well too bad there are no better keeper batsmen. so just live with it
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: e4sby on July 14, 2008, 07:53:10 AM
Problem with bringing Freddie back is that he would have to come in for a bowler as at present his batting form is simply not good enough for batting at number 6, especially when we have Ambrose coming in at 7 who's form is poor with both bat and gloves.

With Sidebottoms back not looking too good for the next test it might be a chance to bring Freddie back as a bowler.  Would give us that extra yard of pace we seem to be lacking against the good test sides
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 14, 2008, 03:45:39 PM
well too bad there are no better keeper batsmen. so just live with it

Foster, Mustard and Read are all better keepers and batsmen imo.
On dropping sidebottom if we do drop him for Freddie who would we drop whrn Sidebottom's fit?
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Tikolo on July 14, 2008, 07:56:13 PM
Stuart Broad? I noe he hasn't done much wrong but dosen't seem to be to impressive with the ball in the first test. Batted well though.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Danny on July 14, 2008, 09:02:57 PM
Well he has got the call up and looked solid for Lancashire this afternoon! Lets see if he can do it at the International level again. Like Chris says you can bat him at 11 becuase he is without doubt the best bowler in the country. Good luck to him!
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 20, 2008, 08:12:41 PM
Definetely looked a cut above the rest off the England attack today (apart from Anderson) with swinging the ball at pace. Also looked very hostile.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Chaim on July 21, 2008, 11:46:26 PM
Read cannot bat
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Tom on July 22, 2008, 12:20:27 AM
I beg to differ, Read is a capable batsman and a good keeper. He's averaging 40+ this season in County Cricket from 8 innnings and last season got around 1000 runs. His 1st class average is also only slightly lower than Ambrose's.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: maXXed on July 22, 2008, 08:37:34 AM
What did Matt Prior in Sussex vs. Somerset pro40 on Sunday?

What's he averaging in the LVC?
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Marcussjd9 on July 22, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
He Got 137 And Is Averaging 61.72

But He Wasn't Dropped For His Batting.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: e4sby on July 22, 2008, 12:00:50 PM
Priors glovework was at times awful, all bowlers especially Sidebottom had lost total confidence in him and i know Him and Ryan had had words in the dressing room regarding this.

But what options have we got?  My personnal preference is to give the best gloveman in the country a run in the side, that is James Foster, his batting isn't the worst in the world but that would mean Freddie batting at 6 which i think one place is too high or bring back colly and bat Freddie 7 and Foster 8.

My team for the next test would be :

Cook
Strauss
Vaughan
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Freddie
Foster
Jones
Anderson
Monty

4 frontline bowlers, Colly who can bowl 10 overs an innings which makes 5 bowlers.  Broad hasn't done anything wrong with the bat but his bowling has lacked that edge.  It was a tough choice between Jones and Harmy but you can't argue with Jones's figures this season.

Problem is we all know the selectors won't want to make wholesale changes and openly admit they've made mistakes last test!
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Marcussjd9 on July 22, 2008, 01:37:51 PM
The Only Change I Can See Happening At This Moment Is Sidebottom In For Pattison.
The Selectors Won't Bring Back Collingwood After One Test As It Shows They Maybe Were Wrong In Dropping Him, And they Have Too Much Pride Too Do That.
Also I Can't See Them Changing Keepers Mid Series. Even If It Is Best For The Team.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Sameer on July 22, 2008, 01:56:14 PM
at the moment england cant take 20 wickets.. so bowling needs to be improved.

Live Marcus says, i think only Pattinson should go, and Sidebottom in
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 22, 2008, 03:19:52 PM
I think Sidebottom should be bought back for Pattinson if he is fully fit. Out of the current 6,7,8 Broad is the one who should be batting 6.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Tikolo on July 22, 2008, 06:08:48 PM
Well it was obvious that Pattinson was only going to be a one-off replacement for Sidebottom. You can't leave Sidebottom out of the England team. And i think Ambrose shud be batting at 8, he is nothing special, Broad is far better then him.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 22, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
Ambrose for me can't play off the front foot, think he only has 1 shot which is the cut and bowlers will just pitch it up to him and make him drive which imo he isn't that good at.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: AtBalfour on July 22, 2008, 08:04:13 PM
Sorry to go off topic, but Keeper14- there is a Spell Checker built into this forum you know, for people like you who cannot spell!

You are a hypocrite calling me "retarded" when you cant even spell the word "selector" or "warrant"!
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 23, 2008, 03:14:03 PM
Cba to get in an argument so if your really that bothered about my spelling talk to me on msn if not don't bother.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Howzat on July 23, 2008, 03:22:25 PM
Keeper14 thanks for responding to ATBalfour in such a mature way - we do encourage everyone to use the spell checker though ;)
Back on topic please -
I think flintoff is useless these days... keep broad as the allrounder and bring in shah as the batsman...simple!
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: stevie on July 23, 2008, 03:28:08 PM
Flintoff and Anderson were our best bowler's in the last test imo. His batting seriously does need a look at i think because he doesn't look confident in his batting at all i think.
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Marcussjd9 on July 23, 2008, 07:44:56 PM
I Belive Flintoff Is The Kind Of Player Who Makes Something Happen. Creates Something From Nothing. A Moment Of Brilliance, I Match Changing Moment. He's Influential In The Dressing Room (From What I've Heard Said About Him) And Gives Other Players A Little Extra Confidence.
He Was Most Threatening In The Last Test.
IMO Flintoff Is A Bowling Allrounder, And With Broads Performances Of Late, He Could Well Up A Batting Allrounder. Early On In His International Career It Was Said He (Broad) Was An Intelligent Bowler, But He's Lacking Something, Just A Tiny Edge Preventing Him Taking International 5fers. Etc
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Howzat on July 23, 2008, 07:56:11 PM
If broady works on his bowling he could be very dangerous...
PS. Why Have You Posted A Whole Message Starting Each Sentence With  A Capital lol :P
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Marcussjd9 on July 23, 2008, 08:07:20 PM
Habit sorry. Would you like me too stop?
Title: Re: Flintoff
Post by: Howzat on July 23, 2008, 08:43:04 PM
Not a problem mate - post however you want/feel :)