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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: procricket on February 21, 2015, 06:24:27 PM
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I know i have just got 2 more than half Heartwood but i see lots of players at the world cup using them too!!!
My reasoning to get two was partly down to this and also a mate suggested it but for the long serving members will remember around 6 years ago the advent of heartwood maybe we are going to see a 2nd coming!!!
Also i never liked them first time round may as well give them a go.
Them where the day :(
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I can remember heartwood being a fad at my club a few years back, following a load of players on the telly using heartwood bats.
Must have been 2007/2008ish I think, with everyone getting a new bat and declaring "It was on the Sky Sports commentary, if the bat is two colours it's a better piece of wood"
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I can remember heartwood being a fad at my club a few years back, following a load of players on the telly using heartwood bats.
Must have been 2007/2008ish I think, with everyone getting a new bat and declaring "It was on the Sky Sports commentary, if the bat is two colours it's a better piece of wood"
It will happen again No truth in it mind but this was a big topic in the same time period on here with the rise of the thief many followed and believed mate.
I was a angry young or younger man then :D
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Is it not just because more the willow from Wrights has it so it needs shifting? Bit like Butterfly etc etc? (Genuine question)
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No a bit of everything really mate it reached it peak massively mate the whole forum went meltdown.
I have seen our clefts which we have lefts not many at all maybe 10 in total and we carry alot of clefts.
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I have and have had a fair few bats with heartwood in.
although i doubt there's science to back it up (cos it's probably in my head or look of the draw) but the ones with heartwood always seem to go better than the ones without
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3 if the best performing bats I've owned.
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My good RPC has a very small bit on the outside edge so I'm not against it etc. Just as genuine question. It's been said that the quality of willow is low currently generally etc so I assume that means good willow goes up in price but people try and push the lesser stuff. Just asking Dave who knows more than I if that's even remotely true tbh
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They go well but in my and a few colleges options no better than white willow but do break much quicker due to moisture issues with them.
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My good RPC has a very small bit on the outside edge so I'm not against it etc. Just as genuine question. It's been said that the quality of willow is low currently generally etc so I assume that means good willow goes up in price but people try and push the lesser stuff. Just asking Dave who knows more than I if that's even remotely true tbh
Thanks Adrian i wouldnt say that.
Quality is only down for the smaller users if they say it is. I can confirm our willow supply if anything has got better than this time last year. There is a limited to it but the quality has gone up for sure.
I guess it depends if people are going direct or getting it of 3rd person.
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I must be a trend setter then, bought last August. 25 grains, all heartwood
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They go well but in my and a few colleges options no better than white willow but do break much quicker due to moisture issues with them.
Fully agree on the life expectancy. They do take some effort to keep in usable nick. Will try get a pic later of there current state.
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Thanks Adrian i wouldnt say that.
Quality is only down for the smaller users if they say it is. I can confirm our willow supply if anything has got better than this time last year. There is a limited to it but the quality has gone up for sure.
I guess it depends if people are going direct or getting it of 3rd person.
sweet cheers.
The stocks will make good viewing in the coming weeks :)
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I must be a trend setter then, bought last August. 25 grains, all heartwood
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you sure did rob
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Saying that Dave you picked it out so I can only take credit for paying for it!!!
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Saying that Dave you picked it out so I can only take credit for paying for it!!!
Low density Rob i fancied a change but still got my 7-9 grain white willow in the bag my preferred but will only use these two all season.
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It'll be interesting to see what people say about the Heartwood V Sapwood debate mid season when you've all had time to compare and contrast.
I really like the look of the all heartwood B3.
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Personally I'm a fan of heartwood on my outside edge as long as even and about 5-7cm
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Given the choice wouldnt choose heartwood over sapwood due to its lack of sap and its brittleness.
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Low density Rob i fancied a change but still got my 7-9 grain white willow in the bag my preferred but will only use these two all season.
Interesting.
Dave, are heartwood clefts more likely to have lower density than all sapwood clefts?
All of the light big bats I have bought had heartwood on them... maybe it is not as dense as sapwood?
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Cedrictoad - I think heartwood is not as dense as sapwood because sapwood carries / contains more moisture. however as heartwood has less moisture (than sapwood) it makes it more brittle. This has been mentioned in this thread before though.
Heartwood is more durable than sapwood (this is true in pine, not sure if it's the same in willow though)??
I'm sure Dave or Streaky will know
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One thing that I have learnt through my time on this forum is certain companies or styles become the next thing to have and plenty of people buy one to see what the fuss is about. I'll admit to buying a Fusion bat, a bat with heartwood, a bat with lots of grains and a laminated bat. These are just three of the trends that I have witnessed.
I think the current trend for companies are B3 (no bad thing!) and bats with Butterfly strains.
No doubt it's all cyclical!
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One thing that I have learnt through my time on this forum is certain companies or styles become the next thing to have and plenty of people buy one to see what the fuss is about. I'll admit to buying a Fusion bat, a bat with heartwood, a bat with lots of grains and a laminated bat. These are just three of the trends that I have witnessed.
I think the current trend for companies are B3 (no bad thing!) and bats with Butterfly strains.
No doubt it's all cyclical!
I would have to agree with this and people getting caught up in trends, however i suspect B3 will be a little more than a trend, and I doubt i'm the only one who thinks that
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I hope B3 stick around for a long time as I like the look of their products and what they are bringing to the market.
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Cedrictoad - I think heartwood is not as dense as sapwood because sapwood carries / contains more moisture. however as heartwood has less moisture (than sapwood) it makes it more brittle. This has been mentioned in this thread before though.
Heartwood is more durable than sapwood (this is true in pine, not sure if it's the same in willow though)??
I'm sure Dave or Streaky will know
I believe sapwood is more durable as heartwood is taken from the centre of the tree and is therefore older and harder.
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Heartwood is more durable than sapwood, I remember that from my old wood science courses, see link below.
However that is in relation to decay, treatment etc so not really relevant when talking about cricket bats, more for window manufacture and joinery applications
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/heartwood (http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/heartwood)
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I hope B3 stick around for a long time as I like the look of their products and what they are bringing to the market.
Never stand still is our motto and our forty we work long and harder others sleep we seek.
As for heartwood it is brittler
As for fads and trends I hope we can keep you interested
As always we appreciate all feedback and don't mind any ideas people have or suggestions
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I've always liked bats with a healthy amount of heartwood in and looked for it when I'm buying a new one, maybe I'm ahead of the curve? Or just still sentimental about the first bat I ever picked out for myself which had a good stripe of heartwood on the inside edge and went like a cannon... Seems to work though so I'll carry on.
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Does all this debate ever make you wonder if actually, the number of grains, heartwood, grain structure, density etc doesn't really matter at all?
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Must say I have never liked heartwood in my bats. Just to clear up a misunderstanding, heartwood is harder but in a cricket bat not more durable. It has a lower moisture content and therefore more prone to splitting as it cannot deform as readily.
If people are saying that willow with lower moisture content does not last as long then heartwood bat should in theory have the shortest design life.
I don't think the number of grains, thickness of the edges etc have any bearing on the quality or size of a bats middle. However, the moisture content of the timber will have an influence on its life.
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Good job Paul Aldred covered all the bases for trends with my red wood, grainy butterfly:
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Good job Paul Aldred covered all the bases for trends with my red wood, grainy butterfly:
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All the trends you say! Does it have a full profile, offset edges, a counterbalance and a double bound handle too?? ;) :D
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It does have a full profile...
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Got some pictures glad we get so many clefts some of these are belters and very low density pictures up this evening but got to say i'm impressed.
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Just a few random clefts i came across low density as well
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What grade are they?
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Top one looks like a dodgy butterfly to me :)
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3 stripe and one i re graded by appointment of the doctor
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Top one looks like a dodgy butterfly to me :)
Agreed. Inconsistent colour, lines all over the face. Looks like construction grade to me!