Topic: The 2ND Coming of Heartwood (Read 7827 times)

RF · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2015, 07:36:32 PM »

It'll be interesting to see what people say about the Heartwood V Sapwood debate mid season when you've all had time to compare and contrast.

I really like the look of the all heartwood B3.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2015, 08:05:10 PM »

Personally I'm a fan of heartwood on my outside edge as long as even and about 5-7cm

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2015, 08:34:19 PM »

Given the choice wouldnt choose heartwood over sapwood due to its lack of sap and its brittleness.

Cedrictoad · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2015, 08:45:21 PM »

Quote from: procricket B3 on February 21, 2015, 07:18:12 PM

Low density Rob i fancied a change but still got my 7-9 grain white willow in the bag my preferred but will only use these two all season.

Interesting.

Dave, are heartwood clefts more likely to have lower density than all sapwood clefts?

All of the light big bats I have bought had heartwood on them... maybe it is not as dense as sapwood?

RF · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2015, 09:00:49 PM »

Cedrictoad - I think heartwood is not as dense as sapwood because sapwood carries / contains more moisture. however as heartwood has less moisture (than sapwood) it makes it more brittle. This has been mentioned in this thread before though.

Heartwood is more durable than sapwood (this is true in pine, not sure if it's the same in willow though)??

I'm sure Dave or Streaky will know

kenbriooo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2015, 09:50:41 PM »

One thing that I have learnt through my time on this forum is certain companies or styles become the next thing to have and plenty of people buy one to see what the fuss is about. I'll admit to buying a Fusion bat, a bat with heartwood, a bat with lots of grains and a laminated bat. These are just three of the trends that I have witnessed.

I think the current trend for companies are B3 (no bad thing!) and bats with Butterfly strains.

No doubt it's all cyclical!

cricketbadger · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2015, 09:54:34 PM »

Quote from: kenbriooo on February 21, 2015, 09:50:41 PM

One thing that I have learnt through my time on this forum is certain companies or styles become the next thing to have and plenty of people buy one to see what the fuss is about. I'll admit to buying a Fusion bat, a bat with heartwood, a bat with lots of grains and a laminated bat. These are just three of the trends that I have witnessed.

I think the current trend for companies are B3 (no bad thing!) and bats with Butterfly strains.

No doubt it's all cyclical!

I would have to agree with this and people getting caught up in trends, however i suspect B3 will be a little more than a trend, and I doubt i'm the only one who thinks that

kenbriooo · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2015, 10:00:49 PM »

I hope B3 stick around for a long time as I like the look of their products and what they are bringing to the market.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2015, 10:08:55 PM »

Quote from: RF on February 21, 2015, 09:00:49 PM

Cedrictoad - I think heartwood is not as dense as sapwood because sapwood carries / contains more moisture. however as heartwood has less moisture (than sapwood) it makes it more brittle. This has been mentioned in this thread before though.

Heartwood is more durable than sapwood (this is true in pine, not sure if it's the same in willow though)??

I'm sure Dave or Streaky will know

I believe sapwood is more durable as heartwood is taken from the centre of the tree and is therefore older and harder.

RF · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2015, 10:18:26 PM »

Heartwood is more durable than sapwood, I remember that from my old wood science courses, see link below.

However that is in relation to decay, treatment etc so not really relevant when talking about cricket bats, more for window manufacture and joinery applications

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/heartwood

procricket · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2015, 10:32:56 PM »

Quote from: kenbriooo on February 21, 2015, 10:00:49 PM

I hope B3 stick around for a long time as I like the look of their products and what they are bringing to the market.

Never stand still is our motto and our forty we work long and harder others sleep we seek.

As for heartwood it is brittler

As for fads and trends I hope we can keep you interested

As always we appreciate all feedback and don't mind any ideas people have or suggestions

edge · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2015, 02:59:06 PM »

I've always liked bats with a healthy amount of heartwood in and looked for it when I'm buying a new one, maybe I'm ahead of the curve? Or just still sentimental about the first bat I ever picked out for myself which had a good stripe of heartwood on the inside edge and went like a cannon... Seems to work though so I'll carry on.

Rob580 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2015, 03:09:57 PM »

Does all this debate ever make you wonder if actually, the number of grains, heartwood, grain structure, density etc doesn't really matter at all?

Gurujames · « **Reply #28 on:** February 24, 2015, 03:14:55 PM »

Must say I have never liked heartwood in my bats. Just to clear up a misunderstanding, heartwood is harder but in a cricket bat not more durable. It has a lower moisture content and therefore more prone to splitting as it cannot deform as readily.
If people are saying that willow with lower moisture content does not last as long then heartwood bat should in theory have the shortest design life.
I don't think the number of grains, thickness of the edges etc have any bearing on the quality or size of a bats middle. However, the moisture content of the timber will have an influence on its life.

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #29 on:** February 24, 2015, 03:30:37 PM »

Good job Paul Aldred covered all the bases for trends with my red wood, grainy butterfly:

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