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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: joeljonno on March 01, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/31681746
Colin Graves said he doesn't rule out Pietersen return.
Interesting.
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Must read this.
Hopefully he pushes england to be were they should be in Odis. Somewhere in the 20teens as opposed to the mid 90s.
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KP's going to be live on sky to talk about this at 1:30
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some good old fashioned Yorkshire common sense there...
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Said he's gotta go and play county cricket somewhere, I'm not convinced that'll happen though would love to see KP be but would he return be a short term fix merely papering over the cracks?
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I bet Alastair Cook's face was a picture when he heard this...
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I bet Alastair Cook's face was a picture when he heard this...
Cook is not in the ODI squad, so it won't matter what he thinks.
Graves said there was a good test squad so I think he wants him back in ODIs only.
Short term fix isn't always a bad thing. If he puts the graft in and prove he wants it then why not.
However, I think Ali, Taylor, Root are the future of 1,3 and 4 so KP could come in at 5 supposing Hales is opening Morgan at 6 and Buttler at 7.
Or he bats 3 and leave Taylor at 6?
Whatever it is he should do it for the team, I don't think he should come back and move someone from their best position as we will have the same issue in a couple of years when we have to replace him (again).
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Wasn't part of the issue a few years ago that KP only wanted top play tests and T20 and wanted to give up ODIs?
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This doesn't sound like good news if your Peter Moores! :o
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This doesn't sound like good news if your Peter Moores! :o
But it's great news of your and England fan and believe you pick your best 11 players and the the World Cup has confirmed in terms of talent and effectiveness there isnt a player except Jo Root who is fit to
Be in the same bracket as KP.
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I think the press have got 2 and 2 together to make 5....there's still no chance KP will play for England no matter how badly we do at the world cup. theres no space in the test team, we hardly play t20 internationals and he's already asked to miss one dayers when he was contracted as they were not important enough to him
the irony of that now is not lost on us fans :)
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As much as I would like to see him back in an England shirt, it ain't gonna happen.
There's no place for him. The ecb will make sure of that
Mighta been different if he could 'throw' a cricket ball down at 150kph.
He doesn't need to play for England, his profiles more than big enough to earn the contracts in t20 comps.
As has been said previously , if he had wanted to prove his worth of an England spot, he would have persisted at Surrey and scored runs
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Looks to me like another plea to be liked from Graves. He said its up to the selectors, and they've been pretty clear on it, so he's just pointing out its not him who's stopping kp.
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Graves though is not a man to care overly about being liked - bear in mind this was a guy who called his entire first team squad out in public...
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exactly SLC. Graves clearly has a lot more about him and god knows the ECB needs new ideas and reform
but he won't overrule the current selectors,KP can meet them all he likes but it's time to move on.
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Sorry, perhaps 'liked' wasn't the correct phase, more of a desire as to be seen to be doing things, shaking up the ecb and injecting new ideas. By saying kp could come back, he sounds open and reasonable, while knowing it won't actually happen and is nothing to do with him anyway. And he's now got a defense for anyone moaning at him about kp not being selected.
Not my fault guv!
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Looks to me like another plea to be liked from Graves. He said its up to the selectors, and they've been pretty clear on it, so he's just pointing out its not him who's stopping kp.
Totally agree with this.
For KP to be picked again he needs to find a county and score a hundreds and hundreds of runs.
then
The following people will need to get sacked...
Paul Downton
Peter Moores
David Saker
Ali Cook (might be able to get away with staying on)
James Whitaker
Andy Flower (possibly)
and possibly Giles Clarke.
Now there is a good argument that they should all be losing their jobs regardless... but that is a serious about of redundancy payout cash.
I really can't see this happening.
I would really like to see some of those people out the door however!!
It may happen after we have been smashed in all the games this summer by New Zealand and Australia.
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I read an interview with KP yesterday regarding this whole situation. He was asked specifically and a number of times that hypothetically if he was picked for England, would he willingly give up his IPL contract. He completely avoided the question and just said He would need to explore his options. That to me says he does not intend to give up his IPL contract in the event of being selected for England, else he would have said "Of course I would."
EDIT: I have just found the one I'd read. It was taken from his Sky Sports interview: http://www.boundarynews.org/news/pietersen-reacts-to-the-indication-that-the-door-may-be-re-open-for-him (http://www.boundarynews.org/news/pietersen-reacts-to-the-indication-that-the-door-may-be-re-open-for-him)
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Totally agree with this.
For KP to be picked again he needs to find a county and score a hundreds and hundreds of runs.
then
The following people will need to get sacked...
Paul Downton
Peter Moores
David Saker
Ali Cook (might be able to get away with staying on)
James Whitaker
Andy Flower (possibly)
and possibly Giles Clarke.
Now there is a good argument that they should all be losing their jobs regardless... but that is a serious about of redundancy payout cash.
I really can't see this happening.
I would really like to see some of those people out the door however!!
It may happen after we have been smashed in all the games this summer by New Zealand and Australia.
I personally do not think New Zealand or Australia will smash us in te longer formats of the game.
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Problem is we won't get smashed.
Instead, a combination of deliverately stultifying pitches, shaky top order Australian batting and the fact that we're not a terrible test side anyway will probabaly see us do just enough - probabaly not to win the Ashes back, but certainly to say that we made a decent fist of it on paper.
And so the sorry debacle will continue.
Don't get me wrong, some of the people named probabaly don't deserve to lose their jobs...but having typed that I'm struggling to think who, apart from Flower, I would certainly want to keep.
Downton and Whitaker should go for the KP fiasco alone. Whether you agree with Pietersen or hate him, any member of staff deserves far better than to be publically sacked as he was, which was plain unbecoming of the people concerned.
Moores should go because he is not and has never been an international standard coach - indeed, the single biggest win for England would be to sack him today. Saker I'm ambiguous about - he might be better moved back to LOughborough.
Cook...we could write an essay there...
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It's a clever statement in my view. The EcB has been hearing for nearly a year that Kp is available to play and even more since the BBL. So why not put a bit of pressure back on kp. He's committed to playing elsewhere this summer, so it's now kp's fault for not playing county cricket.
Worse case scenario for the ecb is kp plays county cricket and ecb end up profiting from it through crowd attendance. Win win.
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Worse case scenario for the ecb is kp plays county cricket and ecb end up profiting from it through crowd attendance. Win win.
No, the WORST case is he does that and scores runs whilst England struggle...then the clamour for a recall would become a real millstone.
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if you look at the statement that is on the BBC website it's carefully worded 'players playing county cricket and a positive influence on the team will be considered'
it's the second bit that will block this IF he plays county cricket.
I agree with the comments from Manormanic above, the ECB made a right dogs dinner of the whole thing, but it was the right decision.
said it before on here, if KP really wanted his place back he would bin the t20 money spinners and play for Surrey.He now says money is not important so let's see if he really wants it or it's just media story
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Just going through the list:-
Paul Downton - director of admin and will go along with whoever picks the team to save his (No Swearing Please)
Peter Moores - gone by April or at the end of the Ashes
David Saker - not sure he'll last until April
Ali Cook (might be able to get away with staying on) - agree
James Whitaker - sideways move
Andy Flower (possibly) - gone already, director at loughborough and has no say
and possibly Giles Clarke. - pensioned off to the ICC
There you have it - if Moores/Whitaker go then I doubt there will be many left to object. KP was booted out because they wanted to bring Moores in and had to invent something to keep Moores happy. Had anybody else got the job then KP would still be playing.
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I still dislike english cricket and the ecb 100%, every person involved with the ecb or their ideas since 2005 needs firing ( anyone who just blindly followed their directions too).
However, KP is gone and we do need to move on. Trouble is for me, moving on means letting ecb off the hook so I'm split 5050. KP would need to play coi th cricket, score record runs and be such a good egg.