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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: SLC on May 08, 2015, 11:14:42 AM
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Langer or Gillespie, apparently.
Good day for ecb to bury news. If you think they're scheming so and sos.
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Source?
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strauss and flower in though so itll get no better
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Source?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/08/peter-moores-removed-england-coach-andrew-strauss?CMP=share_btn_tw (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/08/peter-moores-removed-england-coach-andrew-strauss?CMP=share_btn_tw)
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Mail, telegraph, guardian.
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Pretty classless by the ecb letting him go to the match today.
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Once again the ECB fail.
Cook as captain should be the first to go, rather than Moores in my view.
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Once again the ECB fail.
Cook as captain should be the first to go, rather than Moores in my view.
both really (flower, whittikar etc too).. But yes, if I had to get rid of one.. cook as capt would be first choice.
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Must be true if it's in the papers given how much the ecb leaks info out to them.
Moores should never have been selected and given a second go.
Also looks like
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So it's "Moore's Going" rather than gone.
There was a stop on some bookies taking money on Gillespie the other day, he was being backed that heavily.
I guess if he was the best candidate that applied, then he should have been given a shot. As long as the ECB learn from mistakes going forward (even though they may not have done in the past).
Seems Colin Graves is having an impact.
I don't think Cook should go yet, I think you wait until the new coach is in to make that decision. If you sack Cook now then the new coach wants Cook, it'll be more ECB egg on their face.
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Nothing is going to happen untill Struss is appointed next week.
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yeah this looks a bit premature...newspapers taken a gamble to get a story maybe?
England's test cricket is not bad at all recently, one dayers yes we need a change but Moores at least you would think would get a chance this summer. Otherwise it's a very short appointment.
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Clever money after the world cup was on Graves keeping Moores around long enough to get stuffed by NZ/Aus and giving a new coach a blank piece of paper to rebuild without pressure. Appointing Strauss now would fit that timeline, I don't believe Strauss is going to fire anyone without having a good look at the setup and making some recommendations first. 4 months ought to do it :D
I don't think Strauss is KP's ideal candidate though :(
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yeah this looks a bit premature...newspapers taken a gamble to get a story maybe?
England's test cricket is not bad at all recently, one dayers yes we need a change but Moores at least you would think would get a chance this summer. Otherwise it's a very short appointment.
Really? The lack of a proper spinner is a concern, and that 3 day defeat against "a mediocre" West Indies side was a disgraceful display.
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Really? The lack of a proper spinner is a concern, and that 3 day defeat against "a mediocre" West Indies side was a disgraceful display.
Yes true there are areas to work on. England have lost some significant players recently. It very much depends whether your view is England are in a 'transitional' period or you expect results straight away...
and I actually though calling the West Indies mediocre was very disrespectful and they deserved a shared series.
We are flat lining after a great period.A new ish middle order,new keeper and I think we will need some new bowlers coming thru soon, Broad and Anderson cant carry on forever.....
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Once again the ECB fail.
Cook as captain should be the first to go, rather than Moores in my view.
Then Bell as captain? A bit too early for Root? Though it would be typically English to stunt the growth of a special player.
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Clever money after the world cup was on Graves keeping Moores around long enough to get stuffed by NZ/Aus and giving a new coach a blank piece of paper to rebuild without pressure. Appointing Strauss now would fit that timeline, I don't believe Strauss is going to fire anyone without having a good look at the setup and making some recommendations first. 4 months ought to do it :D
I don't think Strauss is KP's ideal candidate though :(
KP wins in one hand loses in the other. Flower gone, Moores(going?), and Downton gone, Whittaker probably going. Graves appears to have given him a clean slate, but Strauss could be in charge by tomorrow...
so.......he wins in one way,loses in the other
Posh boy Struassy calling him an unmentionable name on commerntary is quite possibly the funniest thing ive heard for ages..... :)
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Yes true there are areas to work on. England have lost some significant players recently. It very much depends whether your view is England are in a 'transitional' period or you expect results straight away...
and I actually though calling the West Indies mediocre was very disrespectful and they deserved a shared series.
We are flat lining after a great period.A new ish middle order,new keeper and I think we will need some new bowlers coming thru soon, Broad and Anderson cant carry on forever.....
a two year transitional period?
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a two year transitional period?
Hmmmmm.......well from No 1 in the world there was only one way to go.Agreed it's a longish period.I suppose if you look at other nations,let's take Australia...From losing to us they have rebuilt very quickly(within a year) under Lehmann.......India...about a year since Dravid and SRT and VVS retired....
I see your point, but if your looking for a quick fix to become one of the top test playing sides you have some time to wait.One dayers, well we all know we need a complete change-that will take time,years probably.
I suppose the question is, if England change the coach right now, will that have the same effect Lehmann had for Australia? that's the million dollar question... gut feeling says not...
Looking at this summer, new coach or not-we look like second favourites even at home
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I'd be more inclined to agree with you if we had blooded a few more players that might be the future of the side, instead of the same old same old faces.
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I'd be more inclined to agree with you if we had blooded a few more players that might be the future of the side, instead of the same old same old faces.
In the Test team in West Indies, there were the following players who made their debuts in the last 18 months:
Ballance
Stokes
Moeen
Buttler
Jordan
Short of hacking Joe Root in half, this is half of a side. Pretty much all in one go. Are they the same old faces already?
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yes...but we have Root,Ballance and money on Lyth in the first test. That's 3 newish into the side, Buttler is still new.
It's the bowling I think you are referring to correct? Anderson and broad will stop one dayers im sure of it and just play tests...
I reckon Plunkett,Wood,Stokes,jordan will be the other bowlers. Spin....I hav'nt a clue-we will stick with Ali I would guess.
Another young spinner? yes agree with you.The only names I could come up with is danny briggs of hants, Rashid of yorks and adam riley of kent.
I honestly couldn't give you another name if your looking forward.....
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Then Bell as captain? A bit too early for Root? Though it would be typically English to stunt the growth of a special player.
Well given that I would have KP ahead of Bell that is hard - I certainly wouldn't have KP
Real lack of options - which reflects terribly on the Eng set up
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Well given that I would have KP ahead of Bell that is hard - I certainly wouldn't have KP
Real lack of options - which reflects terribly on the Eng set up
indeed there is a lack of candidates,which may explain why Cook has that extra bit of extra time, maybe until Root is ready and he is being tipped long term.
I just can't see Bell being a dominant enough character to lead the side.Aside from that I would of said Prior but he wont be back so that's a no go.
Very short of options skipper wise.....
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indeed there is a lack of candidates,which may explain why Cook has that extra bit of extra time, maybe until Root is ready and he is being tipped long term.
I just can't see Bell being a dominant enough character to lead the side.Aside from that I would of said Prior but he wont be back so that's a no go.
Very short of options skipper wise.....
which in part shows what an inexperienced side it is...
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indeed it does.....
Collingwood,prior,kp,trott,swann,strauss all gone in 'recent' times. add to that Compton,carberry
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Flower's still in the background...
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indeed there is a lack of candidates,which may explain why Cook has that extra bit of extra time, maybe until Root is ready and he is being tipped long term.
I just can't see Bell being a dominant enough character to lead the side.Aside from that I would of said Prior but he wont be back so that's a no go.
Very short of options skipper wise.....
He's one year younger than steve smith
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He's one year younger than steve smith
Roooot you mean? yes.....This is however England we are talking about, not known for making bold decisions! Atherton was a fairly young captain from memory but he's been the exception(don't quote me but I think that's right).
Root is def in line, I suppose it's a question of when...providing he doesn't have a shocking run of form-and even then we have seen them stick with Cook.
My personal opinion is Cook is partly doing the job because no one else,at this moment, is really suitable.
God help us Stuard Broad is ever put forward, forget about not fitting his head thru the dressing room door, the grace gates would have to be widened..... :o
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According to the BBC, Strauss is now in and Moores has gone.
There's a lot of talk around Gillespie, what with Graves at the top and assistant coach Farbrace taking charge for the next game.
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On the news Moores openly disappointed apparently.
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Like moores or not, the way he has been treated is appalling. The whole 'rumours' appearing in 3 papers at once - while he is in charge of a game!
Ecb being dicks as normal recently.
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What the hell is going on at the ECB? How are they ballsing PR up so much?! Everything they do is just an absolute disaster at the minute.
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Graves defends the ECB, saying they did t leak.. Well, someone did as news got out.. Someone.. In the ECB talked about it to someone they shouldn't.. That's a leak...
I fear with Strauss appointed and now graves defending the indefensible that he's not going to be good enough
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I think it's appaling
he's not the right person long term but the way it's been handled is just beyond how to treat someone,anyone, employed by a so called professional organisation
the same thing was done to Cook when he got sacked from the one dayers. then today you have Graves coming out saying it's all fine
well it's not fine.
the sacking merry go round continues and each new cycle kicks in and I think most fans have less confidence in the senior management than before
even Vaughan and KP come out on twitter sympathising with Moores and they are well know not to be fans of his
it's embarrassing and wrong.We havnt got a clue in England how to run cricket
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Crocodile tears.
Vaughan is atrociously two-faced. He changes his mind more often than he does his knickers.
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Graves defends the ECB, saying they did t leak.. Well, someone did as news got out.. Someone.. In the ECB talked about it to someone they shouldn't.. That's a leak...
I fear with Strauss appointed and now graves defending the indefensible that he's not going to be good enough
no wonder the press pack who follow England around are scared of upsetting the RCB otherwise their sources of stories dries up. How would Graves know it wasn't leaked by the ECB? He doesn't start there until the 15th! Given the leaks from them previously if be amazed if it wasn't them. Can't think of any good reason for Moores to leak it himself.....
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The interesting question for me is:-
What did Moores, do or not do, to make 3 England captains quit first time around, warrant two 12 month spells and cause us to perform so badly. I wonder if we will ever find out?
I know about the fielding drill after a tied NZ game back in 2008 that get's quoted by Vaughan but anything else? Clearly Strauss doesn't rate him either!
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Fielding drill? Do you have a link, cheers
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a guess would be if you hav'nt been there and done it at the highest level it's very difficult to manage and understand the top stars.Flintoff rates him very highly-Lancashire connection thou- and so do many others.
But at the highest level it may be a question of respect,and how to manage the elite.
what works at County level may not work at test level.By all accounts thou in his second spell he was very popular with the players, far more so than first time round.
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Fielding drill? Do you have a link, cheers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/27318793 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/27318793)
An incident after a tied one-day international against New Zealand in Napier, when Moores ordered the team out for an immediate training session in front of the Kiwis, was a tipping point for the dressing room in its support of the coach.
In his autobiography, Graeme Swann wrote: "Our opponents sat there watching us from their dressing-room balcony, beers in hand, laughing their heads off."It's the most humiliating and degrading session I have ever been involved in."
Speaking at the time of Moores' reappointment, former England captain Michael Vaughan said: "He was the kind of guy who would come in and try to re-galvanise a side that was pretty fine at the time, but his methods with the seniors, Pietersen, myself, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Strauss - players that had been around for a long time - didn't quite work."