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Alvaro

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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2015, 12:32:03 PM »

Once again the ECB fail.

Cook as captain should be the first to go, rather than Moores in my view.

Then Bell as captain? A bit too early for Root? Though it would be typically English to stunt the growth of a special player.

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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2015, 12:34:20 PM »

Clever money after the world cup was on Graves keeping Moores around long enough to get stuffed by NZ/Aus and giving a new coach a blank piece of paper to rebuild without pressure. Appointing Strauss now would fit that timeline, I don't believe Strauss is going to fire anyone without having a good look at the setup and making some recommendations first. 4 months ought to do it  :D

I don't think Strauss is KP's ideal candidate though  :(
KP wins in one hand loses in the other. Flower gone, Moores(going?), and Downton gone, Whittaker probably going. Graves appears to have given him a clean slate, but Strauss could be in charge by tomorrow...

so.......he wins in one way,loses in the other

Posh boy Struassy calling him an unmentionable name on commerntary is quite possibly the funniest thing ive heard for ages..... :)
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2015, 12:38:49 PM »

Yes true there are areas to work on. England have lost some significant players recently. It very much depends whether your view is England are in a 'transitional' period or you expect results straight away...

and I actually though calling the West Indies mediocre was very disrespectful and they deserved a shared series.
We are flat lining after a great period.A new ish middle order,new keeper and I think we will need some new bowlers coming thru soon, Broad and Anderson cant carry on forever.....

a two year transitional period?
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2015, 12:54:00 PM »

a two year transitional period?

Hmmmmm.......well from No 1 in the world there was only one way to go.Agreed it's a longish period.I suppose if you look at other nations,let's take Australia...From losing to us they have rebuilt very quickly(within a year) under Lehmann.......India...about a year since Dravid and SRT and VVS retired....

I see your point, but if your looking for a quick fix to become one of the top test playing sides you have some time to wait.One dayers, well we all know we need a complete change-that will take time,years probably.

I suppose the question is, if England change the coach right now, will that have the same effect Lehmann had for Australia? that's the million dollar question... gut feeling says not...

Looking at this summer, new coach or not-we look like second favourites even at home
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2015, 01:05:12 PM »

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if we had blooded a few more players that might be the future of the side, instead of the same old same old faces.
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2015, 01:10:29 PM »

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if we had blooded a few more players that might be the future of the side, instead of the same old same old faces.

In the Test team in West Indies, there were the following players who made their debuts in the last 18 months:
Ballance
Stokes
Moeen
Buttler
Jordan

Short of hacking Joe Root in half, this is half of a side. Pretty much all in one go. Are they the same old faces already?
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2015, 01:13:48 PM »

yes...but we have Root,Ballance and money on Lyth in the first test. That's 3 newish into the side, Buttler is still new.

It's the bowling I think you are referring to correct?   Anderson and broad will stop one dayers im sure of it and just play tests...

I reckon Plunkett,Wood,Stokes,jordan will be the other bowlers. Spin....I hav'nt a clue-we will stick with Ali I would guess.

Another young spinner? yes agree with you.The only names I could come up with is danny briggs of hants, Rashid of yorks and adam riley of kent.

I honestly couldn't give you another name if your looking forward.....
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2015, 02:24:22 PM »

Then Bell as captain? A bit too early for Root? Though it would be typically English to stunt the growth of a special player.

Well given that I would have KP ahead of Bell that is hard - I certainly wouldn't have KP

Real lack of options - which reflects terribly on the Eng set up
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2015, 02:32:58 PM »

Well given that I would have KP ahead of Bell that is hard - I certainly wouldn't have KP

Real lack of options - which reflects terribly on the Eng set up
indeed there is a lack of candidates,which may explain why Cook has that extra bit of extra time, maybe until Root is ready and he is being tipped long term.

I just can't see Bell being a dominant enough character to lead the side.Aside from that I would of said Prior but he wont be back so that's a no go.
Very short of options skipper wise.....
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2015, 02:36:02 PM »

indeed there is a lack of candidates,which may explain why Cook has that extra bit of extra time, maybe until Root is ready and he is being tipped long term.

I just can't see Bell being a dominant enough character to lead the side.Aside from that I would of said Prior but he wont be back so that's a no go.
Very short of options skipper wise.....

which in part shows what an inexperienced side it is...
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2015, 02:57:33 PM »

indeed it does.....

Collingwood,prior,kp,trott,swann,strauss all gone in 'recent' times. add to that Compton,carberry
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2015, 03:12:21 PM »

Flower's still in the background...

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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2015, 03:25:05 PM »

indeed there is a lack of candidates,which may explain why Cook has that extra bit of extra time, maybe until Root is ready and he is being tipped long term.

I just can't see Bell being a dominant enough character to lead the side.Aside from that I would of said Prior but he wont be back so that's a no go.
Very short of options skipper wise.....

He's one year younger than steve smith
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2015, 04:09:17 PM »

He's one year younger than steve smith
Roooot you mean? yes.....This is however England we are talking about, not known for making bold decisions!  Atherton was a fairly young captain from memory but he's been the exception(don't quote me but I think that's right).

Root is def in line, I suppose it's  a question of when...providing he doesn't have a shocking run of form-and even then we have seen them stick with Cook.

My personal opinion is Cook is partly doing the job because no one else,at this moment, is really suitable.

God help us Stuard Broad is ever put forward, forget about not fitting his head thru the dressing room door, the grace gates would have to be widened..... :o
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Re: Moores gone
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2015, 03:36:29 PM »

According to the BBC, Strauss is now in and Moores has gone.

There's a lot of talk around Gillespie, what with Graves at the top and assistant coach Farbrace taking charge for the next game.
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