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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Buzz on May 20, 2015, 09:04:00 PM
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The first test starts tomorrow at Lord's, the pitch looked green from a tweet this morning.
Going to be a fascinating game.
England will be virtually unchanged, lyth coming in and Wood will be 12th man again.
New Zealand will welcome back the in form Guptill and are looking good. Their struggles are around the lack of red ball cricket played recently as they return from the IPL.
series loosers drop to 7th in the rankings, winners move 3rd (Eng) or 4th NZ
Middle order batting for both teams look strong, keepers evenly matched, I think the kiwi bowling is stronger, so they hold the edge...
Toss all important tomorrow
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I'd like to see Wood for Jordan.
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The first test starts tomorrow at Lord's, the pitch looked green from a tweet this morning.
Going to be a fascinating game.
England will be virtually unchanged, lyth coming in and Wood will be 12th man again.
New Zealand will welcome back the in form Guptill and are looking good. Their struggles are around the lack of red ball cricket played recently as they return from the IPL.
series loosers drop to 7th in the rankings, winners move 3rd (Eng) or 4th NZ
Middle order batting for both teams look strong, keepers evenly matched, I think the kiwi bowling is stronger, so they hold the edge...
Toss all important tomorrow
Surely that can't be right as New Zealand are already 3rd?
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Like to see Wood for Jordan too.Stokes has some serious talent and we need a forth seamer-close but he's a better bat than Jordan.
Unfortunatley/fortunatley depending on your viewpoint,this is the most important match in recent history simply because the confidence in England is at rock bottom,and the press are luing in wait.
Win and we get some feelgood back,lose and all the wheels could come off
I think NZ will go for us and their aggresive play could come off
They are a good side now....
lyth finally gets a chance-we need a permanent opener,cook i think has had6 partners since strauss
Ill be on the edge of my seat
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I'd like to see Wood for Jordan.
What about selection?
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Surely that can't be right as New Zealand are already 3rd?
have probably cocked that up then!
Wood for Jordan has been a very popular option over the years.
Jordan will play because of his catching.
Frankly they should play Ricky Clarke if the are going to take that approach.
Still more chat about the kiwi players please. Williamson, Taylor McCullum is quality. Can Ballance Bell and root match them ? Guptill is flying and the keeper, wartling is a tremendous hitter.
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Buttler is wasted at eight.
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have probably cocked that up then!
Wood for Jordan has been a very popular option over the years.
Jordan will play because of his catching.
Frankly they should play Ricky Clarke if the are going to take that approach.
Still more chat about the kiwi players please. Williamson, Taylor McCullum is quality. Can Ballance Bell and root match them ? Guptill is flying and the keeper, wartling is a tremendous hitter.
Not sure Watling is much of a hitter... more a nudger and deflector judging by what I saw of him over the winter (he seems very good at batting time and is a good judge of his off stump).
Interesting that they are going to go with Corey Anderson, I am not sure if he has the temperament to bat at 6 (or will he be 7)... and whilst handy with the ball is probably not going to take big bags of wickets. Will Craig play? He looked handy with the bat (if your an Aussie think annoying like Peter Sleep) and ok with the ball (albeit against the Windies and Sri Lanka in New Zealand).
If the Kiwis win the toss it will be interesting to see Lyle, Cook and Balance versus Southee and Boult... the first session is going to be riveting (and I will be at work... there is no justice in this world!)
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Mark Footitt was seen bowling in the England nets.
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Anderson started his test career off very well hitting a 100. Since then he has been average. Jimmy Neesham was the preferred allrounder last season but he is injured.
McCullum is the key. He has been the reason why we have turned our form around. His aggressive batting and his captaincy are fantastic. Williamson will be our greatest ever batsman, he just keeps getting better and better. Taylor has been in terrible form for about a year now so is due for a turn around.
I can't wait to see Southee and Boult with the Duke ball, especially Boult to Cook. He pitches it up and gets it hooping. Boult to the LH batsmen and Southee to the right handers. It starts at 10pm here but I'll be watching a few hours a night.
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I would really like us (NZ) to win the toss and send in Cook & co to bat. Watching Boult and Southee on a green top, hooping it around would be a great start to the tour.
In regards to Watling, he is a brilliant batsman to have come in at number 7-8. Very underrated. Supports the top and middle order and has a knack for HUGE partnerships. He and McCullum put together a world record partnership for the 6th wicket of 352, and then broke the same record a year later with a unbroken partnership of 365 with Kane Williamson.
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Two quite evenly matched sides, with the solidity of New Zealand's selection, McCullum's brilliant captaincy and the slightly less patched together make up of their side making them just slight favourites.
For England, the question is going to be how much the turmoil of the last few weeks has affected them - in Barbados it seemed that it had, and they are likely to field two debutants unjustly short of competitive cricket as a result. If Lyth beds in - tricky given those circumstances - then he gives the side a solidity and verve at the top that it has lacked whilst Wood is the tpe of bowler England desperately need.
For New Zealand, its more about lack of red ball cricket and the fact that Guptill and Latham are not the most reassuring of opening pairs - LAtham can't buy a run at the moment and Guptill...well, lets just say that runs against Worcestershire 2s doen't make him any better than a text average int eh high 20s would initially suggest.
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One team I love to watch because the positive way they play and one team I love to see get beaten because..... well because they are England. McCullum is just one of those players that keep you glued to the game while he's in, and I think Southee will be the man with the ball.
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How's the weather looking?
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Weather should be good.
I called it last week and I think Wood will play. There's also been a few articles/comments on radio that with the IPL some NZ players may be undercooked. McCullum may be the best set of the returning batsmen, but Taylor may take time and Williamson hasn't played a long innings since early September - we're saying on here Lyth will be undercooked and he's had more cricket recently than that...
Southee and Boult will always be dangerous in familiar conditions, but again will they take time finding their Test length after playing so much IPL?
Wood to play, Buttler to bat at 7. The toss will be interesting; potential for NZ's middle order to be undercooked vs facing Boult and Southee first up with a Test debutant. Tough call.
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Anyone going to he game this week? I've got tickets for tomorrow
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I will be there tomorrow afternoon with some luck.. shows off the little red book ;)
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Debut for wood it looks like
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Yes - wood and Lyth both playing this morning
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NZ to bowl. Could see England getting knocked over cheaply on this green top
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get the popcorn
ecb get your tin hats!!
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oh here we go
bit of swing bit of nip. We only got a couple of wheels left on the wagon hearts in mouth time.
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Don't really know much about this Wood. What's peoples thoughts?
What did Plunkett do so wrong to be out of contention? Heard he was unelectable for some reason?
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dropped by Yorkshire for missing a photo session/training session so he was always going to be out
Wood looks to have pace, swings it a bit,did well on the Lions tour.
These guys have got to be given time to settle in and we cant lose the match
rock and a hard place for the new guys.The one thing England needs is time to get new players in and it's the one thing we don't have
the press are just waiting for us to lose and it will be carnage again.
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YES!! England are back to wearing cable knit jumpers, this makes me happy!!! :D
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dropped by Yorkshire for missing a photo session/training session so he was always going to be out
By that logic Broad shouldn't be playing either, he missed the sponsors event I was at! Sent his Dad instead!
The media only got hold of the event he didn't attend in the morning but he didn't attend the one at night in Sheffield either, that one was also for the England sponsor and a local charity! Chris Broad got a right grilling for agreeing with dragging Rashid/Lyth/Plunkett around WI though which was quite funny. Don't take on the Yorkshiremen!
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By that logic Broad shouldn't be playing either, he missed the sponsors event I was at! Sent his Dad instead!
The media only got hold of the event he didn't attend in the morning but he didn't attend the one at night in Sheffield either, that one was also for the England sponsor and a local charity! Chris Broad got a right grilling for agreeing with dragging Rashid/Lyth/Plunkett around WI though which was quite funny. Don't take on the Yorkshiremen!
Well from the info in the press it made it seems he was not representing the ECB so bit of spin on that story it seems.There are clearly favourites
We do seem to be veering away from strong willed(outspoken) cricketers like Compton and Carberry in favour of the golden boys
Without bringing up you know who again it's not supposed to be a mates team-we are either professional or not, professional means some characters won't be liked but you have to get on with it
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anyway Lyth off the mark
COME ON SON
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Lyth gone, edge to keeper off Southee for 7
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Might be biased as a Durham lad but did anyone else watching on sky find the Lyth attention rather cringey and unfair on Wood?
All the attention and talk has been about Lyth forgetting there's another lad on debut today too. I didn't see the Durham boys getting asked to wish Wood well?
And the fact they've got a series going behind the scenes at Yorkshire is terrible, once again Durham got a pat on the back and went on their way.
I think I'm just bitter but hey ho.
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I think its because they knew Lyth was guaranteed to start this test match and Wood wasn't, personally I thought they weren't going to pick Wood but go with Jordan.
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It's going to be torrid summer for us. Really can't see us beating NZ.
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Ballance gone for one, outside edge to 3rd slip off of Boult
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They had a very clear plan to him and it worked!
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Jeeeeeesus, Cook what the hell are you doing!
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He was soo deep in his crease when he hit that ball and he was looking to play more towards mid-on rather than on the off side. (Ballance I mean)
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Gee....they need a big ton from young Joe Root.
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Ive got tickets for day 4 will i need them?
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Keep these Left handers coming.
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Southee back on now please Brendan.
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Thank you.
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I suppose heading to St Johns Wood for Monday and a tenner a ticket is now not worth it
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4 down....eugh.
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That's an absolute beaut from Henry!
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Not even KP could save us haha
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Don't see ali, stokes or buttler lasting too long either. All out before tea
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What a disaster this one is turning out to be... Cook to resign at the end of the series...?
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What a disaster this one is turning out to be... Cook to resign at the end of the series...?
He's too stubborn to resign the Test captaincy. Surely?
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What a disaster this one is turning out to be... Cook to resign at the end of the series...?
He is top scorer at the moment by a good bit! Cant blame his captaincy for that :D
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He's too stubborn to resign the Test captaincy. Surely?
He still thinks he should be ODI captain!
Even at the toss, he couldn't answer a simple question on what he would have done had a won the toss.
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Threw a heap of cash on Stokes or Buttler to top score once it flattened out a bit, so long as Root doesn't ruin it that may be some small compensation.
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Come on everyone where's your optimism gone, Root to hit double ton and the rest of the lower order to score runs. :D
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Come on everyone where's your optimism gone, Root to hit double ton and the rest of the lower order to score runs. :D
Have NZ agreed to be nice and only bowl in Broads half when he's batting?
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He still thinks he should be ODI captain!
Even at the toss, he couldn't answer a simple question on what he would have done had a won the toss.
Wait did he say it was "irrelevant"? ??? >:(
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Have NZ agreed to be nice and only bowl in Broads half when he's batting?
Broad would prefer the short stuff. He is expecting it every ball and will get out the way.
It's when he has to play a shot now that troubles him.
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These two look good but if either of the get out then we are stuck! Ali was in the nets and had to pop back because they were dropping like knickers on a night out!
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Joe is the luckiest man alive!
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Absolutely love being able to hear umpires comms.
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Ali was always due to come in at 8.
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Shocking captaincy by Brendon McCollum. Totally naive in his over attacking approach. Should have turned the screw rather than pressing all out.
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Shocking captaincy by Brendon McCollum. Totally naive in his over attacking approach. Should have turned the screw rather than pressing all out.
This..
He does this when he's fielding too, chasing balls that are obviously going to make it to the boundary.
Just an example of him being aggressive to the point of being silly at times.
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and doing all that while getting NZ to number three in the test rankings and a world cup final.
Guys an idiot clearly...
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Bet kp is loving this
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and doing all that while getting NZ to number three in the test rankings and a world cup final.
Guys an idiot clearly...
I'm sorry the guy is perfect, I apologise.
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For everyone who hasn't seen England are back to wearing wooly jumpers!
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/Liam_Mulholland/eng_zpsybu8oajg.png) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Liam_Mulholland/media/eng_zpsybu8oajg.png.html)
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that is not a woolly jumper.
this is a woolly jumper!!
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/jumper_zpsdz6yqtzp.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/jumper_zpsdz6yqtzp.jpg.html)
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Benji and Rootie!!!!
Ben Stokes will be a great captain of England one day!! Mark my words.
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and doing all that while getting NZ to number three in the test rankings and a world cup final.
Guys an idiot clearly...
I didn't say that he was in an idiot. Just in the context of the second hour of the session he lost the plot a bit and let England get away. That's poor.
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He lives by the sword and dies by it - he gave a great interview on five live in the week, talking about playing cricket that suits NZ and their personnel, how everyone buys into it and how he leads from the front.
If that means he loses the occasional session, so be it is his attitude. At the time of writing England are 4 down for less than 150 - he probably felt he had leeway to keep attacking before the deck evens out. I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and I love the way he plays the game; he's got an excellent cricket brain and he as much as anyone has developed the type of long term strategy that England crave.
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Does joe root colour the masuri logo in on his lid to keep GM happy?
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Yeah, all to do with sponsorship deals. Remember when a ball went through his grill when he wore GM?
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how good is this partnership? future England captain and the very talented Stokes
it's no wonder everyone wants to bat middle order......well they do in my club anyway!! :) :)
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Root's GM has a duck bill.
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Stokes you idiot!
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Have I missed why Ali is at 8?
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Been batting pish, feel they'll get more out of Stokes and Buttler higher up the order, want him to focus more on his bowling.
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Sounds about right
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I love hoe this thread was active when we was 4 down. Yet while fighting back and on top it all goes quiet??
Great days for root downwards in the order. Maybe him and stokes should have kicked on. But they've given us a great foundation and a score to win the game from here with.
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Dissapointing to lose Buttler last ball of the day, hopefully the tail can put up a bit of a fight now to support Ali, presumably Wood will come out before Broad.
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What a day of test cricket. So much for the hit and giggle stuff.
Incidentally, aren't the Kiwi's a wonderful advertisement for the game? Great, inventive attacking cricket with a smile and a really genuine attitude to the fans and press?
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Not the result I was looking for when I went to bed at 4/30 but that's a great result for Eng considering, I'm guessing from the comments we keep attacking fields all afternoon in search of the break through?
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Congratulations to England after what looked like a horror start, they really pulled it back.
There is hope for us yet, and reasons to be cheerful!
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Jarrod Kimber being much more eloquent than me about BMac & NZ:
They will attack again tomorrow. They will attack again the day after. The Test after. That is what they do. Tomorrow, they just have to do it better.
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New Zealand where made to look very average by some great counter attacking batting all the doom mongers where are they.
A day doesn't make a summer but my prediction is still intact.
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Agree Dave.
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I will tell you this as well I it swings like it did today i expect ENGLAND to mop them up and quick
As for Root I hold my hands up he looks like he is playing a different game to everybody else outstanding and as for Stokes did you really doubt him
Ali best number 8 in test cricket hell maybe things are looking up boring ENGLAND Hey !!!
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Do you bet your red trousers on it?
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Great to see the positive approach England is this Farbrace mentality? Anyone else notice although green don't think it did anything off the seam.
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There were a lot of spaces to hit the ball for a large part of the day.
But encouraging.
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Yes, the change in batting order has created a different approach.
things were 100% better today
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Do you bet your red trousers on it?
You bet your life same with the Aussie I see a frail batting line up when world class swig bowling is at them.
Williamson aside there batting should not be feared bit like Australia too.
It's not a quick fix for me I have said Long time ago I expect us to smash New Zealand and take the ashes just about.
This is based on a number of factors I was told I was smoking drugs by one big mouth member but honestly what's to fear two very suspect batting line ups. We know what our bowlers will do in England I have every hope
There be down day no doubt but sometimes when you corner people as a group they become stronger
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You bet your life same with the Aussie I see a frail batting line up when world class swig bowling is at them.
Williamson aside there batting should not be feared bit like Australia too.
It's not a quick fix for me I have said Long time ago I expect us to smash New Zealand and take the ashes just about.
This is based on a number of factors I was told I was smoking drugs by one big mouth member but honestly what's to fear two very suspect batting line ups. We know what our bowlers will do in England I have every hope
There be down day no doubt but sometimes when you corner people as a group they become stronger
I thought another famous member wrote rubbish just for attention, then I read this.
One good fight back and you are world beaters again. How can you say that apart from this guy their batting won't be feared? Australia annihilated you last Ashes. You just lost a test match to the WI's, NZ destroyed you in the last ODI we played. Pull your head out mate.
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Hold on read my posts ref ENGLAND pal I always did say we would beat you guys and do well against Australia.
Sorry but I have never feared your side in the UK.
You got to read my posts I always backed us against your fragile batting in the UK
We shall see
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I thought another famous member wrote rubbish just for attention, then I read this.
One good fight back and you are world beaters again. How can you say that apart from this guy their batting won't be feared? Australia annihilated you last Ashes. You just lost a test match to the WI's, NZ destroyed you in the last ODI we played. Pull your head out mate.
The difference is the tests are in the Uk where our bowlers will play on green tops and Jimmy will swing the ball around corners.
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The difference is the tests are in the Uk where our bowlers will play on green tops and Jimmy will swing the ball around corners.
100 per cent agree look how it swim today if Jimmy had been bowling today I suspect we would be batting by now.
As I said get Williamson and we be into New Zealand big time.
Not being funny but why should we fear New Zealand at home you sound as if you hold the rubber over us in tests which lets face it you don't .
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Anyway. Stokes new balance was pinging today!
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100 per cent agree look how it swim today if Jimmy had been bowling today I suspect we would be batting by now.
As I said get Williamson and we be into New Zealand big time.
Not being funny but why should we fear New Zealand at home you sound as if you hold the rubber over us in tests which lets face it you don't .
If our lineup is "fragile" then what on earth do you call your boys?
So if you don't fear NZ's batting or Aussies who do you fear? You are being a bit silly after how poorly your team has been doing in recent times. Anyway, I wouldn't use "fear" as the word to describe it, I would expect that England would respect both teams batsman. I know however, that they fear McCullum and David Warner.
Just a question. Did you put any money on England to roll NZ before yesterday's fight back?
I'm honestly wondering if (He who shall not be named) has snuck into your house and sabotaged your posts.
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I don't gamble pal but read my posts pal I backed us a long time ago.
What has Brandon done in England or Warner.
Of course we will have bad days and they respect your batting line up and Australia but what's really to fear neither side has past sucsess in the UK or individuals by and large.
Now let's be fair Both are at there peak.
But Australia will be a different sise in our wickets and no disrecpt to your side whic is fine side I think we have better individuals just need to get them playing as a side.
The Mitch factor could be nulified in the UK and stark may not even come with is injury.
It all to play for reading your comments earlier in this post it sounded like you all expected one way traffic from your boys ENGLAND fought today and fought hard and earned there spoils.
So at test level who scores yours runs I can only think of 2 in truth.
ODI yes you have the rub but test match when ???
But we can go on and on we will have to wait and see I will give you this it the best New Zealand side I habe seen in my 36 years
Oh and as for the other remark pal save it I have backed ENGLAND from a long time ago please read my post before our defeat in the last test ENGLAND at home is a tough objective and the ashes have not been held for 14 years.
What's wrong with positivity we have lost it so much negative we have world class player Who know how to play in the UK so why not
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I have no problem with you being happy about your side doing well today. But you are basing your claims on one solid effort. Others on here are focusing on the last 2 years. For you to belittle NZ is fine because we are not proven in England but to talk down Australia (Who I hate, but respect as a damn good side) after what they have done over the last few years is just wrong. Set aside today's effort and England in all forms have been woeful for a few years.
I hope NZ put you to the sword tomorrow. We will have to play bloody well though against Anderson.
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NZ had the perfect chance last night Potzy, just couldn't finish them off. Stokes you always would think you're a chance but Root look 2 steps above anyone else. Good days cricket though surely, over 300 runs scored after fighting back from 4 for nothing.
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I don't gamble pal but read my posts pal I backed us a long time ago.
What has Brandon done in England or Warner.
Of course we will have bad days and they respect your batting line up and Australia but what's really to fear neither side has past sucsess in the UK or individuals by and large.
Now let's be fair Both are at there peak.
But Australia will be a different sise in our wickets and no disrecpt to your side whic is fine side I think we have better individuals just need to get them playing as a side.
The Mitch factor could be nulified in the UK and stark may not even come with is injury.
It all to play for reading your comments earlier in this post it sounded like you all expected one way traffic from your boys ENGLAND fought today and fought hard and earned there spoils.
So at test level who scores yours runs I can only think of 2 in truth.
ODI yes you have the rub but test match when ???
But we can go on and on we will have to wait and see I will give you this it the best New Zealand side I habe seen in my 36 years
Oh and as for the other remark pal save it I have backed ENGLAND from a long time ago please read my post before our defeat in the last test ENGLAND at home is a tough objective and the ashes have not been held for 14 years.
What's wrong with positivity we have lost it so much negative we have world class player Who know how to play in the UK so why not
What rambling drivel
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So at test level who scores yours runs I can only think of 2 in truth.
Who scores NZ's runs?
Well since March 2013, Williamson has scored 1823 @65.10, McCullum has scored 1547 @51.56, Taylor has scored 1291 @51.64. Not to mention Latham, Watling and Neesham who have all averaged over 40 since then with 7 100's and 10 50's between them. But nah, only two kiwi bats can score.
Lets have a look at the England bats yeah? Cook, 1447 @ 34.45. Outstanding. Bell, 1552 @37.85. These are the two senior bats for England. Riveting. Root, however, despite Englands best attempts to hinder his career by batting him everywhere but 11 has score 2081 @ 59 and Ballance has scored 1061 @ 58.
I would have also thought you'd rate a teams batting line up on their ability to score big and go on with it. NZ have scored 25 hundreds in that period. That included 4 doubles and one triple. England, the dangerous batting powerhouse, on the other hand have scored just 22 having played 6 more tests, with a lone 200* from their saviour Joe Root.
I wouldn't say this English top order is anything to be scared of...
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So aside from the disagreement as to who is the better side (personally I think, on paper, England and NZ are typically pretty well matched), let's look forward to the rest of the test.
Can we push on over 400? Moeen is going to need to bat well with what is now fully the tail. With the attacking fields that McCullum sets, there are loads of gaps. Will these be found, or will ball hit hands today?
When we bowl, if the new ball does what it did yesterday, Anderson should be very difficult to play for all the NZ top order. If Broad can pitch it up and find the pace he was showing towards the end of the WI tour, he will also be a tough prospect on this pitch. I don't know enough about Wood to know what he offers, except the description that he is a skiddy bowler. Is he quick enough to do some damage, and how will Cook use Stokes? Can we expect to use him like a Freddie? Short sharp, hostile, fast spells to try and put the willies up the batsman. Is he quick enough to do that with?
How do we use the specialist spinner, Moeen, and can he and Root provide enough coverage on what is going to be a dry and turning final day wicket? Based on what we've seen so far, I suspect that if NZ can survive the new ball, there are runs a plenty in this wicket on days two and three. The new ball is going to be key though.
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Who scores NZ's runs?
Well since March 2013, Williamson has scored 1823 @65.10, McCullum has scored 1547 @51.56, Taylor has scored 1291 @51.64. Not to mention Latham, Watling and Neesham who have all averaged over 40 since then with 7 100's and 10 50's between them. But nah, only two kiwi bats can score.
Lets have a look at the England bats yeah? Cook, 1447 @ 34.45. Outstanding. Bell, 1552 @37.85. These are the two senior bats for England. Riveting. Root, however, despite Englands best attempts to hinder his career by batting him everywhere but 11 has score 2081 @ 59 and Ballance has scored 1061 @ 58.
I would have also thought you'd rate a teams batting line up on their ability to score big and go on with it. NZ have scored 25 hundreds in that period. That included 4 doubles and one triple. England, the dangerous batting powerhouse, on the other hand have scored just 22 having played 6 more tests, with a lone 200* from their saviour Joe Root.
I wouldn't say this English top order is anything to be scared of...
Thats what I mean, what was Procricket on about. I'm going to say he was drunk (Content of his message and the many typo's). Very (He who shall not be named) esk, and delusional.
Anyway. Like Tim said, the new ball will be key. Guptil back after a long break and Latham still pretty green. It will be up to Williamson and Taylor to work hard and McCullum, Anderson to reap havoc if they do.
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Na pal i can't write for toffee shame you got a tad personal but thats ok looking forward to a good day no matter what.
Words drunk and delusional for supporting my side against a side who have not feared all that well against us over the years oh well.
You take it personal i rate New Zealand just don't think your world beaters as should be feared like we did and do in ODI..
The way most people talk about English Cricket is no negative read the posts of the forum maybe not from you pal but many expect us to be rolled and patted on the back.
Call me a believer i look forward to today and the tests win or lose.
(PS i think my contributions over the years makes you GerrySA a bit daft, forum for debates, i do not think England are world beaters either pal)
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Guys, if you look at his previous posts, you'll see that this is Dave's unique writing style :) He's actually quite articulate if you meet him in person.
He's also very pro-England (which I like) so makes a few controversial points occasionally - HOWEVER - Today's the day, I personally don't think England will make 400 and NZ will be in before lunch, then we shall see what Anderson and Wood can do (Broad chipping in will be a bonus).
I think the sides are well matched, but there is potential for Jimmy to wreak havoc.
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I have a feeling Moeen might have a say with the ball.
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Guys, if you look at his previous posts, you'll see that this is Dave's unique writing style :) He's actually quite articulate if you meet him in person.
He's also very pro-England (which I like) so makes a few controversial points occasionally - HOWEVER - Today's the day, I personally don't think England will make 400 and NZ will be in before lunch, then we shall see what Anderson and Wood can do (Broad chipping in will be a bonus).
I think the sides are well matched, but there is potential for Jimmy to wreak havoc.
Totally agree about well matches sides I never ment to insult anybody by saying we should not fear New Zealand of course there matches and both have match winners. I may be going on Sunday I would love nothing more than watching good cricket be it either side. I mean I love watching Williamson who is a real technician to the brute of Mc or Guptil who I enjoy watching.
Maybe people take my post personal I do not share a opinion people are right the sides are close in terms of quality.
Roll on today my hope is for quick runs and wickets
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Great days test cricket, was nice to see root and stokes score a few, buttler managed to play and miss a lot but survived and mo has done well. Top order is a shambles as expected (cook mainly as bell got a jaffa). NZ were very disappointing once England were 4 down, seemed incapable of mopping up stokes/buttler and mo which, I think anyone but a ECB hack would expect boult/Southern to do given how they'd bowled.
Even Stevens so far for both sides and lots to think about for both sides too. One side has a pathetic top order and the other seemed to tire quickly and was incapable of finishing a team off.
Top days test match cricket though.
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yeah thought it was a great days cricket yesterday
the forecast aint very good but Sunday at Lords might be an option.anyone know how much tickets are on the day? last time I was there I had to get a bank loan
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One side has a pathetic top order and the other seemed to tire quickly and was incapable of finishing a team off.
I'm not so sure about the latter part of that statement. I got the impression that once the ball got older, the Kiwi bowlers struggled with it and it ended up being much more up and down, much like playing on an Indian track. I'm not sure that it was because they were particularly tired.
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Good God. What does Ballance average? Cook's in good form. Pathetic is far too strong. They bowled well up front inhelpful conditions, no?
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Good God. What does Ballance average? Cook's in good form. Pathetic is far too strong. They bowled well up front inhelpful conditions, no?
Cook in good form?? Really??
Balance is one innings into finally facing a decent attack, let's see what he avgs in the NZ/aus and sa series.
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Cook: 5 50plus scores in eleven digs. Hundred in Barbados, including general consensus that his feet were moving well. Wagon wheel of his innings shows good balance of shots around the wicket, not the case when he's struggling.
Ballance is one innings into 'finally' facing a decent attack'. Let's see what he avgs in the next series. He's shown admirable adaptability so far.
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Broad bounced first ball. Put ahead of Wood so hopefully he's worked on it.
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Ali wafted and nicked off. Bit of bounce but it didn't look anything but a get out shot. Ball still moving around plenty. 365 could be a good score in these conditions if england bowl well ( big if).
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Broad gone.
It's sad how much he has regressed.
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Agreed decent ball he a walking wicket unfortunately big shame
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Broad won't score any runs anymore,that's just how it's going to be.He will just be a bowler
To be fair he was never close to a genuine allrounder despite that 169 v Pakistan.
We look and I say look, covered in the batting dept so it might not matter if Stokes and Buttler are ahead of him
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Na pal i can't write for toffee shame you got a tad personal but thats ok looking forward to a good day no matter what.
Words drunk and delusional for supporting my side against a side who have not feared all that well against us over the years oh well.
You take it personal i rate New Zealand just don't think your world beaters as should be feared like we did and do in ODI..
The way most people talk about English Cricket is no negative read the posts of the forum maybe not from you pal but many expect us to be rolled and patted on the back.
Call me a believer i look forward to today and the tests win or lose.
(PS i think my contributions over the years makes you GerrySA a bit daft, forum for debates, i do not think England are world beaters either pal)
That was a joke about you being drunk mate, I assume you were writing quickly or on a phone.
Your previous posts on this topic were very negative towards NZ who have done extremely well over the last 12-24 months where as England have been the opposite. It capped it off for me when you basically said NZ and Australia will be cannon fodder for the mighty England. We know we are not world beaters but a bit of respect, which you have now shown was needed in your earlier posts.
Scoring 400 here will be a huge mental milestone for England and NZ.
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389 all out.
I am going to say this is just about par only.
Still the next hour will be interesting.
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Interesting. 4-34 at the beginning of the innings and 4-35 at the end of the innings.
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That was a joke about you being drunk mate, I assume you were writing quickly or on a phone.
Your previous posts on this topic were very negative towards NZ who have done extremely well over the last 12-24 months where as England have been the opposite. It capped it off for me when you basically said NZ and Australia will be cannon fodder for the mighty England. We know we are not world beaters but a bit of respect, which you have now shown was needed in your earlier posts.
Scoring 400 here will be a huge mental milestone for England and NZ.
Na I was on aphens but my writing is never going to be that good !!!
Pal it's ok all I said was I expect us to beat you that's all I didn't say you where a bad side I said we have nothing to fear. Indeed you have been very good for quite a while in all forms think your last series defeat was against us 2-0 I could be wrong.
No I'm no Gerry I don't think we have become world beaters but looking at our recent home record it is decent and decent against New Zealand.
Your brand of cricket is refreshing mate
I did watch a lot of your home series against Sri Lanka and enjoyed it.
My question is where Wagner he is a wholehearted player but as others have said ever even contest in most areas
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Na I was on aphens but my writing is never going to be that good !!!
Pal it's ok all I said was I expect us to beat you that's all I didn't say you where a bad side I said we have nothing to fear. Indeed you have been very good for quite a while in all forms think your last series defeat was against us 2-0 I could be wrong.
Didn't we draw against you in NZ where Prior made a memorable 100 to save the game and was in with Monty at the end? Williamson with his dodgy action took a few amazing wickets at the end.
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389 all out.
I am going to say this is just about par only.
Still the next hour will be interesting.
I think it's a 400+ wicket, so I'll raise your 389 as par to being under par. Lets see what happens. Not seeing much going on at the moment though, which is rather frustrating!
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Wood nearly hitting 92mph and a close call in his first over.
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Wood nearly hitting 92mph and a close call in his first over.
Looks a good prospect. Whats the verdict on a short run up bowling at that pace? Tough on the body?
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Wheels! We have pace.
Short run uo means less energy. So surely should be able to bowl more?
Proper run up and some pont training could see him hit 95 plus...... or am I just dreaming.
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Nice start for Wood. Looks the part and already being compared with Simon Jones.
I see he's wearing no. 667, so intake it Lyth did go with 666. What odds can I get on GM releasing a new bat model called Beast?
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I think it's a 400+ wicket, so I'll raise your 389 as par to being under par. Lets see what happens. Not seeing much going on at the moment though, which is rather frustrating!
From the bits I've been watching they haven't given it a chance to swing.
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Jordan can bowl mid 80s and his runup appears to have about as much effort as a casual stroll so there's always room to work I guess.
Does he have a trigger movement at the start of his run up ???.
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Nice start for Wood. Looks the part and already being compared with Simon Jones.
I see he's wearing no. 667, so intake it Lyth did go with 666. What odds can I get on GM releasing a new bat model called Beast?
I think Kookaburra have rights on the beast name! Maybe if they can convince Lyth to switch and he does well, you might see it come back!?
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No ball.
Shame as was a cracker at 93.1 mpg and great catch from cook.
happens a bit too much for England though. Stop gambling eith the line!
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What a shame...
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No ball.
Shame as was a cracker at 99 mpg and great catch from cook.
happens a bit too much for England though. Stop gambling eith the line!
That's good mileage ;)
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That's good mileage ;)
Joys of autocorrect. Apparently samsung believe anyone writing 93.1 means to write 99!!!
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That's interesting because every time Gerry tries to write Anderson it corrects it to clubby ;)
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#autocrrectlogic is like #strausslogic
Anyway pont tweeting on woods action. Says there 3 to 5mph still in there!!
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Wicket gone begging
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Poor glove work by Butler so far. Is he England's best?
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Buttler should play as a batsman.
Hard to keep at Lord's apparently, with the late swing blah, blah.
#Aussiejibeklaxon
Haddin has kept like a drain in England, even when there's a slight deviation of the straight... :D
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Maybe Butler isn't used to English conditions :-[
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At what point is Stokes going to self combust? He looks like he is getting properly wound up....
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He always looks ready to explode!
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Marty Two Toes looks to be doing a pretty good job. I for one expected him to fail again, as much as i'm enjoying him doing well, even as an England Fan, i just enjoy watching him bat.
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100 up for nz.
Stokes and wood look more likely to get a wicket than broad and Anderson have done.
Not looking good for England unless we get a breakthrough soon.
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30 overs and no sign of a spinner yet. Worth a try surely?
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Poor glove work by Butler so far. Is he England's best?
Get John Simpson in for the Lords games :D
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Come on ENGLAND don't make me eat my
Words haha. Think I'm going n Sunday hopefully
Williamson is good to watch
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Where everybody gone what have we learnt today Williamson can bat we know that world class defiantly a very good operator. Not convinced with our number 1 spinner but I'm not a selector. Looks a pancake good days cricket won by New Zealand today
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Where everybody gone what have we learnt today Williamson can bat we know that world class defiantly a very good operator. Not convinced with our number 1 spinner but I'm not a selector. Looks a pancake good days cricket won by New Zealand today
Never in any doubt in these English conditions ;)
These two to bat most of tomorrow and then unleash McCullum on at tired attack. Anderson looked to be bowling far too short.
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Williamson is just so classy. B'Mac to unleash hell upon our powder puff attack. Liked the look of Wood though... shame Team ECB didn't play him and lyth in the WI. Broad looked as powerless as ever. Anderson bowled too short really and NZ gifted their 2 wickets.. Pitch was flat on day one after lunch and has continued in that vain.. Hard slog for Eng coming up unless NZ throw it away
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Right off to bed I think. Deficit erased in quick time in trying conditions.
If McCullum stays for a while its game over. If England don't "fear" McCullum I'll eat my hat...
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Nearly 2 in 2 for Wood, very close on umpires call.
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Wood and Stokes bowling in high 80s...that is pretty good.
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Hmmm is the weather England's saviour again?
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How is Balance playing Test cricket? I know is average is up there but that can be deceiving. You need your number 3 to be a rock but can also play shots to put pressure back on the bowlers. Balance does neither IMO. Shame about Lythe getting out, he looks like a good prospect.
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Balance has performed very well against the opponents he has played against.
Apart from his debut against Australia, this test match and the last one in Windies, he has not "failed" in both innings of a match. Obviously those who do not like him will say he hasn't played against anyone "good" but until you have had a good run again good attacks, you'll never know. And he is still young and improving.
There will be no massive changes to the England team until the new coach is in place and settled.
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Can't see England batting out a day and an half which I reckon is what will be needed. NZ could chase down any lead that England could get easily I feel unless we manage to bat them out of the game. Problem being when we bat time we score no runs and lose wickets so England need to play aggressive and sensible cricket. Although NZ are on top I have liked how E gland have played this test so far, and like the look of this set up. Personally the only change for me would be Broad I personally don't see how you can play him as his batting is completely shot to pieces and his bowling is well average on most occasions. I know he can have magic spells but I just don't think you can have him. Plunket is a better option with bat and on current form in last 12 months at least on par with Broad with ball IMHO.
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I'm not debating his statistics, but looking at his batting style he looks vulnerable to so many deliveries. He may get away with it if he was attacking but he just looks to survive. Bell must be like a cat on a hot tin roof while Balance is out there.
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Team ECB a shambles yet again
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Team ECB a shambles yet again
I guess it is the fault of the counties for not creating enough world class talent.
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I guess it is the fault of the counties for not creating enough world class talent.
ECB are the responsible body, they can csrry the can
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ECB are the responsible body, they can csrry the can
Best sack every player, coach and emotes from every single county.
Maybe blame the players that aren't good enough? Or the plans the captain and the coach (oh wait, the last one was fired and the temporary one has only been in post a few days) have put together.
It's a blip. In the last few mo this they have been changing everything one bit at a time. You cannot have a knee jerk reaction and just get rid of everyone. You may as well just get rid of cricket in England if you're going to do that.
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I have to be honest, I don't think this is the worst performance from England.
There I have said it.
Batting was nervous on the first morning, but to recover to get almost 400 was a good effort.
The bowling has been patchy, but shows signs of life. Wood looks good, Stokes will be dangerous when he gets a 2nd slip who can catch. Broad and Anderson DoD what you expect.
Cook's technique looks much better. Ballance has some thinking to do and we need an opener to stick around, buy Lyth has to get a run. A little part of me thinks they have picked the wrong Yorkshire opener.
Yes we will do well to get somethingfrom this game, but I Am more optimistic about the team than I have been for a while.
Seeing them square up to an odious member in the pavilion yesterday has got me thinking.
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Come on ENGLAND let's have a day to remember
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@Buzz Lees will replace Cook, don't you think – rather than bat with him?
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Bell going at the ball half-hearted and not the start England were looking for. Top first over from Southee
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Another failure when needed by Teflon Bell.
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NZ bowling badly, too much crap and not enough in the right areas.
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NZ bowling badly, too much crap and not enough in the right areas.
Seriously? That first hour this morning was tough!
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It's easier than saying cook batted well.
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NZ bowling badly, too much crap and not enough in the right areas.
Aye right very well played against quality bowling
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Cook!!!! Good man!!
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A great century from a truly phenomenal player, just when his team needed it. Cook really looks to have improved his technique from last year. England just need him to convert to a daddy hundred now!
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Great stuff from Cook.he's dome it against all sorts of bowling.
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Come on Stokes- go ballistic!!
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Benji has over 100 SR in a test match :D
He is the future England captain.
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C'mon Benji, get your century!
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Ben Stokes you animal! Great stuff.
Quality from Cook too, never any doubt for me that he'd find form again, some absolute nonsense spouted from people who should know better though.
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Out of the darkness into the light
Great sportsmanship as well from New Zealand.
Great test match so far...
Where the doom mongers even if the worst happens and we are defeated(if your English) a few issues put to bed here.
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No Benji, no!
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Been a fabulous game so far this one.
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Root, Stokes, Buttler and Ali makes a very potent counter attacking middle order.
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Tremendous so far.
Just remember those talking about run rates and declarations, average of almost 4.5 an over so far. 350 is chaseable in 2.5 sessions.
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Was there today and thoroughly good cricket all round. Good from Root and great from Stokes. Cook batted solidly but he was very slow to score once past 100. Was a good days cricket to watch, just enough in it for the bowlers and flat enough to have a good smack around.
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awesome test match. Stokes playing the sort of innings no england player has been able too since KP, Flintoff and Botham. Gillyesque. Cook batted very well and saved the test for England and then Stokes putting the team in a position to potentially keep the win alive. Very Enjoyable test match so far
NZ bowling I did think was poor though, spinner especially. The spirit the game has been played in has been a fantastic advert too, zero 'sledging'! Take note Sledgers. Still don't think Cook should be captain though, but he is at least answering the batting question with runs.
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Yip, well batted England. Makes a huge difference to a side when a middle order batsman can come out and do that.
I think Ali will be quite difficult on day 5. NZ under McCullum will go for anything.
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Fantastic match so far, it's had everything. Real swings and roundabouts stuff. An advert for Test cricket.
Really impressed with the way the Kiwis go about their business. Great attitude, talent, and sportsmanship.
Thought England were down and out - very refreshing to see some tremendous counterpunching to put England right back in the fight when they were on the ropes.
And care to enlighten us on this one, @Buzz?
"Seeing them square up to an odious member in the pavilion yesterday has got me thinking."
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The spirit the game has been played in has been a fantastic advert too, zero 'sledging'! Take note Sledgers.
NZ are very good side in this regard - they play hard and they play nice. Good on them!
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Many of them went to shake Cook's hand at the end of play. Spirit of cricket!
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And care to enlighten us on this one, @Buzz?
"Seeing them square up to an odious member in the pavilion yesterday has got me thinking."
The thing about the pavilion at Lord's is that to walk out to play you have to fight your way through the members. Typically the players are left in peace and just applauded down the stairs, through the long room and out into the playing area.
At tea on Friday, a member suggested to Cook he was making a fist of bowling out NZ. My suggestion is that he wasn't watching the game or he would have seen how well Taylor and Williamson were batting. At the time I felt he hadn't done a lot wrong, but the bowlers weren't doing that well.
Cook reacted like a man under huge pressure, but the whole team backing him and made the member look a fool. not much else to say.
I was pretty much the next closest witness to the incident.
Cook isn't a natural captain, but his players have more respect for him than I had previously realised.
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^ I want to see a test match at Lords. Someday. :)
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Great story to end a great day.Who said test cricket is dead! :)
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Go today!
£20 on the door. U16's are free.
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Stokes was brilliant but I thought the NZ bowling was extremely poor especially since they were in the box seat. They really let England off the hook. I also think the short rain stint freshened the very timid wicket up into a more "English" style of wicket where England felt far more comfortable on.
I think the next wicket will be prepared differently.. Or should be!!!
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Go today!
£20 on the door. U16's are free.
If I wasn't working, I'd have been in the queue at 7am. :(
On a slightly different note, was anyone listening to TMS yesterday at lunch? They were talking about 10 years of Chance to Shine and played back an announcement that Tom Harrison made in the week. What was notable about it was that in the middle, very matter of fact, there was a tacit admission that the loss of Cricket from FTA TV had had a huge impact on participation rates.
The way it was said suggested that they may reconsider whether to continue the Sky coverage.
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They will not get the same money from someone else that tey get from sky so I think it's incredibly unlikely to happen.
However I do think the ecb should get at least some whole matches on free to air / streaming etc
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I think the ecb might try a premier league style auction and try and split cricket up into packages. Tests being 1 package, odi/t20 another, domestic odi, t20 blast, county championship etc . it would give other broadcasters a way into cricket again and sky a bit of competition - don't rule out BT sport/virgin media next time around. They arent FTA but they might push up the bidding for tests/odi cricket and make it possible for FTA cricket at a domestic level.
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I sincerely hope so. Unchallenged monopolies of any kind tend not to be run entirely in the best interests of the paying punters.
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If roles were reversed NZ would get to 300 and put England in for a go. What are England going to do? Cook to bat himself back into the people's favour and to hell with the result?
I don't think NZ bowled that badly. They had a plan to Stokes and he gave a couple of top edge chances that on another day could have been taken. Lets not forget that England have batted really well in both innings. They have batted with some real intent.
Open with McCullum and if he gets out shut up shop.
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Don't think it can be considered worth the risk in a 2 match series though when we've already fought back from some pretty worrying positions. Especially with the RRs being consistently good.
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Don't think it can be considered worth the risk in a 2 match series though when we've already fought back from some pretty worrying positions.
That right there is why your ODI team are s**t.
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Surely this is an opportunity for Broad to go down swinging and try and regain some confidence that way.
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Yorker ball. And broads stood at square leg with the ump!
Aswell as we played yesterday. I'm highly Dissapointed we haven't shown proper intent to score and or declared yet.
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Surely this is an opportunity for Broad to go down swinging and try and regain some confidence that way.
Think he just did. That pulled 6 was back to his old style.
Just needs to work on the full ball now.
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If roles were reversed NZ would get to 300 and put England in for a go. What are England going to do? Cook to bat himself back into the people's favour and to hell with the result?
I don't think NZ bowled that badly. They had a plan to Stokes and he gave a couple of top edge chances that on another day could have been taken. Lets not forget that England have batted really well in both innings. They have batted with some real intent.
Open with McCullum and if he gets out shut up shop.
The spinner ( beard ) gave away some freebies but in general the bowling was very good.
NZ are capable of chasing dawn 350 in a day. I think it is a tough call for Cook & co. I suspect he will err on the side of caution and bat out the first session of the day ( maybe have Ali have a go first while holding down fort).
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That right there is why your ODI team are s**t.
Err, no. That's got nothing to do with ODI cricket.
That's a whole different kettle of fish.
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Err, no. That's got nothing to do with ODI cricket.
That's a whole different kettle of fish.
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Na pretty sure I'm spot on ;)
Your're right there are a few reasons, but I think the attitude thing is a big factor, you just have to look at Cook being considered for the last WC up until the last minute.
Anyway. English commentators hoping England get bowled out :o
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I think NZ will go for 'em and get 'em - forget the wickets we can't strangle them these days.
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Be a good contest plenty of turn this is where a left arm spinner would come in handy.
Good game played by two very close sides.
Game on
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Full, straight, Guptill gone!
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9 more please!
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8 more please.
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Two down... Good bowling
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Who'd have thought that bowling full brings more possible dismissals into play!
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Let's see how long Brendan stays aggressive for now then.
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OHHHH YES! Come on England.
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Where's McCullum gone then?
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Where's McCullum gone then?
Probably saving himself until the nnpew ball is gone. He has to fire, can't blame him really. Terrible from NZ, giving the game away with their bowling and now batting
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Williamson the key now. He goes, England will seriously believe they can win the game
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I suspect they seriously believe that already
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I suspect that your suspicion about what they suspect, may be right.
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3 inj players, 3 down.. Game gone for NZ..
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Na pretty sure I'm spot on ;)
Your're right there are a few reasons, but I think the attitude thing is a big factor, you just have to look at Cook being considered for the last WC up until the last minute.
Anyway. English commentators hoping England get bowled out :o
That's a selection issue, not the defensiveness of securing a draw before going on the attack.
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That's a selection issue, not the defensiveness of securing a draw before going on the attack.
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Yeah like stokes batted out of position, and then dropped for not performing,
Test they move him up the order, and he's proving his worth!
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Game over
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Great ball
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Stokes you beauty Williamson and Mcullam in successive deliveries
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Stokes may have just saved English cricket single handedly
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Nice to have a decent all rounder batting at number 6 again...!
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Nice to have a decent all rounder batting at number 6 again...!
amen to that. Interesting to see the crowds he's attracted and listening to the noise he created
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amen to that. Interesting to see the crowds he's attracted and listening to the noise he created
as they were just saying on TMS, he's a similar type of character to Freddie and Botham.
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Very reminiscent of Flintoff at Edgbaston in 2005, both in the aggressive way he batted and then whipping the crowd up with two big wickets in one over.
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Corey batting well...might just save the match for Kiwis.
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One wonders whether, had the wickets fallen a little later and a little better spaced, would there have been a better chance of getting the Kiwis out?
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Watling got hit in the tummy & that's why it is good to have some fatty padding in the tummy area.
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Roooooooooooooooooooot
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England 1 New Zealand 0
All the doubters...
Great game both sides
See some are so negative :D
Travis Boult is some bowler, but great team performance by England
If i was not English New Zealand would be my team play it properly from start to finish Hard and Fair play
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Well done england. Played well. Deserved it fully over all 5 days.
But.
Had new zealand bowled poorer this morning. And england needed to declare. Chances are we'd have ran out of time.....
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Fantastic advertisement for test cricket.
Nice to see a test played hard and in the right spirit. No petulance from England bowlers and just an all round positive experience for the fans too!
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Well done england. Played well. Deserved it fully over all 5 days.
But.
Had new zealand bowled poorer this morning. And england needed to declare. Chances are we'd have ran out of time.....
Awesome grabbing the negatives there.
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England 1 New Zealand 0
All the doubters...
Great game both sides
See some are so negative :D
Travis Boult is some bowler, but great team performance by England
If i was not English New Zealand would be my team play it properly from start to finish Hard and Fair play
Good test match, stokes has potentially re ignited English cricket.. However NZ bowled more poorly than expected, very disappointed in them.
Cooks runs have answered his batting woes but his captaincy is still hanging by a thread
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Awesome grabbing the negatives there.
I always thought that was the general way of the forum.....
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Good test match, stokes has potentially re ignited English cricket.. However NZ bowled more poorly than expected, very disappointed in them.
Cooks runs have answered his batting woes but his captaincy is still hanging by a thread
New Zealand bowled well and as "Smithy" said threw the kitchen sink at Cook...
One of the greatest matches by two attacking sides.
I have a different take on it and maybe the ECB planned it very well we played against the most attack minded side and fought them this time and won this is the brand that wins Ashes. As Nasser said the positive energy from Nz rubbed off on us...
Cook captaincy hangs by a thread who says this the crowd don't and certainly the players either.
I smell fresh air we just beat a very good side but we can't please everybody the test proved everything bar any negativity.
If you pick negatives out of that game maybe cricket isn't for you .
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Cook made good decisions in this match. With his improved batting technique and field tactics, his confidence will grow as a captain. Plus, he is getting support from his bowlers. He is a tough guy and I give him credit for making this gradual comeback.
Oh hell with ODIs (and the abomination called T-20), Test cricket is the real deal!
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Great test match, and what a turnaround from England after that collapse in there first innings. Major positives, especially stokes, and wood whose bowling has given us another dimension.
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Well call me easily happy i normally am when England win but that was some test and to be honest if New Zealand had chased i'd still be sat here with my 9 year old who was enthralled by it all and cricket today got a new fan..
Cheers both sides my son loved it
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If our lineup is "fragile" then what on earth do you call your boys?
So if you don't fear NZ's batting or Aussies who do you fear? You are being a bit silly after how poorly your team has been doing in recent times. Anyway, I wouldn't use "fear" as the word to describe it, I would expect that England would respect both teams batsman. I know however, that they fear McCullum and David Warner.
Just a question. Did you put any money on England to roll NZ before yesterday's fight back?
I'm honestly wondering if (He who shall not be named) has snuck into your house and sabotaged your posts.
And the biggest winner was
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Enjoyed the highlights of that on five. Thought that Cook's captaincy today wasn't bad at all, and the final wicket trap worked very well.
A great test match all round.
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England 1 New Zealand 0
All the doubters...
Great game both sides
See some are so negative :D
Travis Boult is some bowler, but great team performance by England
If i was not English New Zealand would be my team play it properly from start to finish Hard and Fair play
Haha well done England.
We played well and were given a few lives along the way to help. Pretty much threw that game away I think. Lets just remember that England played bloody well. We all know what cricket is like though and we will see what happens in a few days. Great test match, great advertisement for the game.
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Haha well done England.
We played well and were given a few lives along the way to help. Pretty much threw that game away I think. Lets just remember that England played bloody well. We all know what cricket is like though and we will see what happens in a few days. Great test match, great advertisement for the game.
100 per cent agree pal made me some money too :D
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Great test match, two equally matched sides. Looking forward to headingley already on Friday.
Good win there David! Definitely put your money where your mouth was!
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100 per cent agree pal made me some money too :D
Made some very good money! You can give me some for pointing out that you called Trent Boult Travis.....
Brilliant game of cricket for the neutral, with both teams playing aggressive cricket be it batting or fielding! Type of test you would show someone who you are trying to convince test math cricket is the one!
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Great test match and a great advert for test cricket being the best cricket.
On another note, great to see broad and occasionally Anderson's pace back up towards high 80s and wood and stokes both consistently around 90 good to see the bowling attack with some pace about it.
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Did NOT see that coming - glad to be proved wrong! ;)
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They're good these young players...
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Don't think many people would have predicted that especially after the first two days. Just shows what a bit of adventure can do for you, Stokes ton in the second innibgs was a gam changer scoring so quickly and freely and changing the outcome of the game. Still plenty of work to do but theyve given themselves a template and shown they can play a brand of cricket that isnt attritional.
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this was a good wicket and decent conditions for the bowlers too, this has an effect on how we can play as well as a change of attitude.Very hard for anyone to look good on lifeless pitches in the West Indies.
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I have to be honest, I don't think this is the worst performance from England.
There I have said it.
Batting was nervous on the first morning, but to recover to get almost 400 was a good effort.
The bowling has been patchy, but shows signs of life. Wood looks good, Stokes will be dangerous when he gets a 2nd slip who can catch. Broad and Anderson do what you expect.
Cook's technique looks much better. Ballance has some thinking to do and we need an opener to stick around, buy Lyth has to get a run. A little part of me thinks they have picked the wrong Yorkshire opener.
Yes we will do well to get something from this game, but I am more optimistic about the team than I have been for a while.
Seeing them square up to an odious member in the pavilion yesterday has got me thinking.
still stand by what I said here, before Cooks runs and Stokes' second inning ton.
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Very hard for anyone to look good on lifeless pitches in the West Indies.
A similar observation was made on TMS yesterday.
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Shock Ali Cook makes more runs. Perhaps people might stop hammering him so hard and back him and the team over these two tough series?
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Shock Ali Cook makes more runs. Perhaps people might stop hammering him so hard and back him and the team over these two tough series?
I'm sure Cook does not read social media and certainly fans, some on here, seek to blame the bloke for all of Englands problems, the simple fact is the guy is as tough as they come and yes, that can be a weakness as well as a strength,and there's no doubt he wont go down as one of our better captains.....BUT quite clearly the team is behind him,you could see that from the celebrations when he got his ton
any while social media/some fans/the experts in the commentary box who won nothing when they skippered constantly hammer him, he is taking away flak from the other players-they must know that.
Plus he has 27 tons now and that is special
We are rebuilding post strauss/swann/trot/kp and that takes time.
We are still second favourites for the Ashes but we might just of turned a corner in getting the fans back on side.
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I've always said the guy is going to be England's greatest ever test run scorer. He is a class apart from any other opener we have in the country. He doesn't get the accolades because he isn't pretty to watch. He is the antithesis of Ian Bell who is easy on the eye but has all the grit, toughness and fight of a bowl of jelly.
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England played well to win. And play well they had to because they had no help from the captain. Not talking about run scoring cause Cook batted well but his captaining decisions were poor at best.
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P.S I said long ago Cook will go down as England's highest scoring test batsmen. I like him as a batsman just not as a captain
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Paul Farbrace has done a brilliant job too.
He was the one who put his foot down about the batting order and also about injecting some fun back into the team.
Skipper scoring runs also helps lessen any morose feelings around the team - so that 100 in the WIndies will also have contributed
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To me it's becoming more obvious that Moores led to his own downfall. Never did hear about Farbrace/Moores disagreements? I imagine one was the batting order and style of play, another could well of been the Jordan selection and non selection. Strikes me the current team is now better balanced in the bowling department. Still reckon Bell should be batting 5 and Root 4.
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To me it's becoming more obvious that Moores led to his own downfall. Never did hear about Farbrace/Moores disagreements? I imagine one was the batting order and style of play, another could well of been the Jordan selection and non selection. Strikes me the current team is now better balanced in the bowling department. Still reckon Bell should be batting 5 and Root 4.
Is Bell still in the top 5 batsmen in the country? I'm getting pretty bored of watching him crumble whenever we need a senior player to stand up. He's had one maybe two good series in the last few years. Not saying get KP in but I just think his spot could be better utilised by giving someone else a shot.
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560+ runs in the last home Ashes series at 62 only two years ago. In the 16 tests since then hes scored 750 at an average of 28. Admittedly that includes the disastrous 5 test Ashes in Australia in which he averaged 26.
I'm going to sit on the wall and say hes worth his place until the end of the summer then reassess. Plenty of potential middle order replacements but 110 tests before 34 is a lot of experience to lose in a young side.
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Paul Farbrace has done a brilliant job too.
He was the one who put his foot down about the batting order and also about injecting some fun back into the team.
Skipper scoring runs also helps lessen any morose feelings around the team - so that 100 in the WIndies will also have contributed
Sorry but you cannot make a call like that after one game. Edges could have gone to hand, LBW's given instead of not (That were pretty damn close), catches taken on the boundary etc etc. No doubt England deserved to win in the end, but until this type of play becomes a trend you cannot start talking about a good/bad a coach is.
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I am talking about the attitude of the players and how they played rather than the results.
New Zealand lost the game as much as Eng won it.
Watching England and how they played the game was such a change from the grim soulless cricket played over the last 3 years.
So that is enough for me to say he has done a great job.
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My point is, that you wouldn't be positive if Root and been given LBW first innings, Stokes edges gone to hand, Ali's drives in the air going to hand, Stokes caught on the boundary 2nd innings. NZ were the same, we had some chances that made a huge difference to the game.
If all those things had happened then you would still be bagging England and probably the coach.
The point is that you need to see a change over several matches to make this kind of call. I hope they do continue to play positive cricket.
England get rolled next game and look negative again, so what do people start saying? Sack the coach and get rid of that muppet Cook!
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I can't speculate on what didn't happen!
Seeing the English players trying to enjoy themselves was enough.
I still think KP should be playing ahead of bell and Cook doesn't have the gift of captaincy.
But a coach can't change that. He changed what he could and that is enough for me.
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It's easy to look happy when you're winning...
I'm being pretty hypocritical, as an All Black fan we go through these stages of coach hating to coach loving. Graham Henry won the WC so we give him a Knighthood, If he'd lost he would've been discarded as an enemy of the state.
You win and the coach is praised as the breath of fresh air the team needed. Team loses and "When are the ECB going to learn that care taker coaches never work" Cricket fans are so fickle.
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I can't speculate on what didn't happen!
Seeing the English players trying to enjoy themselves was enough.
I still think KP should be playing ahead of bell and Cook doesn't have the gift of captaincy.
But a coach can't change that. He changed what he could and that is enough for me.
This...
Apart from the obvious change he made in the batting order which worked well, he also changed the one thing he could change- their mentality. Seems as if he's told them to go out and enjoy themselves and play their natural game. The brand of cricket was much better.
Yes there were negatives and all sorts of things that could've happened- I for one believe root was out caught.
Yes cook is an average captain, yes balance has to look at his technique, yes bell should be looking over his shoulder and seeing a KP-like shadow.
The team isn't perfect and Bayliss coming in won't make it perfect straight away, but by playing the way they did you can see they are headed in the right direction and I for one am willing to take that after the months of rubbishness.
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My point is, that you wouldn't be positive if Root and been given LBW first innings, Stokes edges gone to hand, Ali's drives in the air going to hand, Stokes caught on the boundary 2nd innings. NZ were the same, we had some chances that made a huge difference to the game.
If all those things had happened then you would still be bagging England and probably the coach.
The point is that you need to see a change over several matches to make this kind of call. I hope they do continue to play positive cricket.
England get rolled next game and look negative again, so what do people start saying? Sack the coach and get rid of that muppet Cook!
Not everybody mate not everybody.
I was just happy to keep our record of only 8 defeats in a 100 tests against New Zealand intact the fact we won and won in a manor of positive pro-active cricket is the Iceing on the cake and against one of the best bowlers and batters in the world.
Yes I like the caretaker coach you could tell it meant something to him and he has a nice manor about him too.
End of the day England can't lose a series against a side not many gave us a hope in hell even with our record against you guys.
You sound a bit like a United fan earlier this season because you had success of a kind at the World Cup and a few decent series you expect to turn up and blow us away and in truth it didn't happen. the lion roared back and I hope it continues win or lose play hard and play to win
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Not everybody mate not everybody.
I was just happy to keep our record of only 8 defeats in a 100 tests against New Zealand intact the fact we won and won in a manor of positive pro-active cricket is the Iceing on the cake and against one of the best bowlers and batters in the world.
Yes I like the caretaker coach you could tell it meant something to him and he has a nice manor about him too.
End of the day England can't lose a series against a side not many gave us a hope in hell even with our record against you guys.
You sound a bit like a United fan earlier this season because you had success of a kind at the World Cup and a few decent series you expect to turn up and blow us away and in truth it didn't happen. the lion roared back and I hope it continues win or lose play hard and play to win
Hypocritical much? I remember the talk before the last Ashes series when England had won few series'. Unbeatable I seem to remember.
I'm not having a go at England. I'm just stating that after one game it would be foolish to think you have found the magic potion.
I'm quietly hoping England now get even worse than they were only a couple of weeks ago :D. You guys jump on and off the band wagon like its a fashion statement.
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We all support our side. All you see in the postings on here are the frustrations and jubilations of seeing the team play like donkeys in one test and champions the next. And after 18 months or flaccid, dull cricket, seeing England play an exciting brand was brilliant.
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Well this ruddy weather.
Good start for England all be it 2.1 overs
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Williamson goes for a duck. NZ could be knocked over cheaply here
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Someone send mccullum out to smack this swinging ball out of shape ???
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Broad looks ridiculous when he 'appeals', running away from the umpire with his finger in the air. Rod Tucker is a much better third umpire from a spectators view than Erasmus, gives a much better insight I think.
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Broad looks ridiculous when he 'appeals', running away from the umpire with his finger in the air.
I hate this, it's bloomin disrespectful, running off assuming it's out. They should give it not out just on principal!
But then again i hate everything he does.
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Downside of the safety of DRS for the umpire. Folds under pressure, gives it out, review it if you want.
Okay if it's missing the edge like that, but when it comes to marginal lbws it ain't great.
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Looks like McCullum's going to take his time to get in.
First ball smashed for 6 to get off the mark!
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Yay! I got an email in to TMS mentioned! (That's Text Match Special).
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^ link?
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The Aussie smashing it around the park. Decent effort from NZ so far.
Latham has played well but looks all at sea against spin, looks pretty clueless against a part time spinner.
And he's been dropped for the 3rd time!
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At least when you play NZ you know its going to get a result. Advances the game so much. I can see us getting rolled a few times in the next few years though, the McCullum roller coaster.
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I hate this, it's bloomin disrespectful, running off assuming it's out. They should give it not out just on principal!
But then again i hate everything he does.
They were cracking down on this a few years ago, the charging down the wicket not showing enough respect to the umpires, not sure what's changed.
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At least when you play NZ you know its going to get a result. Advances the game so much. I can see us getting rolled a few times in the next few years though, the McCullum roller coaster.
Exactly Potzy, that's why NZ is so many peoples second team, how much better is this than Pakistan v India or similar scoring 700 runs each in the first innings.
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They were cracking down on this a few years ago, the charging down the wicket not showing enough respect to the umpires, not sure what's changed.
I remember Brett Lee getting fined a pretty large chunk of his match fee after celebrating for a caught behind before the umpire gave his decision. (Think it was not out, had just clipped the batsman's trouser) I thought the punishment was a bit harsh, but they've got to be consistent about it at least! (If what Broad did was as bad as it's being made out to be)
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Exactly Potzy, that's why NZ is so many peoples second team, how much better is this than Pakistan v India or similar scoring 700 runs each in the first innings.
Yeah, Id hate for our boys to score 700 :D :D :D. I know what you mean though.
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I remember Brett Lee getting fined a pretty large chunk of his match fee after celebrating for a caught behind before the umpire gave his decision. (Think it was not out, had just clipped the batsman's trouser) I thought the punishment was a bit harsh, but they've got to be consistent about it at least! (If what Broad did was as bad as it's being made out to be)
Worse thing is Broad does it every time. LBW appeal? Runs down the wicket with his finger in the air... Caught off the thigh pad? The same again.
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Worse thing is Broad does it every time. LBW appeal? Runs down the wicket with his finger in the air... Caught off the thigh pad? The same again.
Is anyone surprised by this behaviour?
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This is brilliant :D
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Lyth 50, Cook 50.
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Good come back from NZ after an excellent opening partnership and a maiden ton for Lyth.
So at this point of the game who is on top? I say its evenly poised
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It looked like Cook had a lapse of concentration there. I don't know why he chose that shot. Tough out for Lyth. Rest of the wickets fell to some excellent bowling.
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I only watched the first session but Cook was unreal with his leaves. If he can do that to Australia he will do well.
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Still, a run rate of 2.8 an over for England yesterday showed the quality of the bowling. Nobody got on top of it. Had England remembered the golden rule at headingley (bowl full) NZ wouldn't have done so well.
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England in Captain Cook currently have the best opener in world cricket..
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Still, a run rate of 2.8 an over for England yesterday showed the quality of the bowling. Nobody got on top of it. Had England remembered the golden rule at headingley (bowl full) NZ wouldn't have done so well.
Englar haven't bowled full in about three years, why would they start now?
Eng will do well to make parity today.
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Can Ian Bell stand up when we need him and make some important first innings runs when we need them, decent 70odd will be key from either Bell or Butler. Overcast, new ball and world class opening bowlers could be very tough.
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New Zealand with a 300 plus lead by the end of play today (rain allowing)
Gonna be tough from england to draw or win from here imo.
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Bell fails after looking solid yesterday.
nz have a chance of a 40-50 run lead here
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2013 looking a long time ago for Ian Bell.
Do what your opponents want least.
I know what i would do...
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England in Captain Cook currently have the best opener in world cricket..
Clearly untrue. The best opener, by a country mile, is the pocket Dynamo Davy Warner.
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According to Twitter, Ian Bell has never scored 50+ against the Kiwis in a home Test match.
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From what I have seen from these last couple of tests and a few more before that, this is my 5 cents about the batting.
1. Openers look in good knick now and will hold their spots for the Ashes.
2. Balance looks rubbish IMO, Aussies LH bowlers will make him look silly.
3. Root is your best and should be at 3.
4. Bell needs to be there for this Ashes series, you need that experience.
5. I don't know if Ali should be at 8. He is probably your future number 4?
6. Bring back KP!
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High class swing bowling from Southee
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Laughable that broad still comes in at 9. How long will he last today!
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Trent Boult and Tim Southee are one the best opening pairs around. Only Harris and Mitch and Steyn and Philander are in their class.
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Trent Boult, for me, is the most talented left arm fast bowler in the world. If he had the pace of either Mitch, he'd probably be the best bowler in world.
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Some solid catching from NZ as Ali goes.
England have got the tactics wrong, should have looked to counter attack and now into the tail.
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215-1 too 267-8 blown away but can't help think we have not played this too well this morning very tentative
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Trent Boult, for me, is the most talented left arm fast bowler in the world. If he had the pace of either Mitch, he'd probably be the best bowler in world.
He is as good as Johnson even of he is a few mph down at the moment and in these condition's.
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In 2 balls wood looks a better option at 9 then. Broad
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He is as good as Johnson even of he is a few mph down at the moment and in these condition's.
Yes in these conditions Boult is clearly better. Johnson has struggled in England. But if Boult had that extra 10kph just imagine how much better he would be.
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Yes in these conditions Boult is clearly better. Johnson has struggled in England. But if Boult had that extra 10kph just imagine how much better he would be.
That's not quite right.
Having more speed doesn't always mean better. He will probably have a much longer career at his speed as well.
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Might be time for a bit of Matty Henry...These two chancing the arms again the swing bowlers
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"Right 2 wickets to go Lads, lets start bowling really short". ???
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BJ's very tough drop on the boundary proving to be pretty expensive. It's led to 43 runs in this partnership thus far...
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"Right 2 wickets to go Lads, lets start bowling really short". ???
But it worked so well for England...
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We feel your pain.
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Spin breaks the partnership. Craig gets Wood caught behind. Good catch by Ronchi
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Lack of a genuine fast bowler(145-150kph) has hurt both teams in this match when trying to clean out the tailenders.
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Decent effort from broad in the end. Batted longer than anyone expected.
Perfect conditions for England to knock NZ over cheaply now
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Lack of a genuine fast bowler(145-150kph) has hurt both teams in this match when trying to clean out the tailenders.
It's not the lack of a high pace bowler, it's bowling stupid short pitched rubbish on a deck where fuller deliveries get wickets.
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It's not the lack of a high pace bowler, it's bowling stupid short pitched rubbish on a deck where fuller deliveries get wickets.
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Agreed, along with a lack of quality spin to support the seamers too
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I remember watching the likes of Hayden and Ponting pound along at 4RPO during their peak and thinking wow this is different.
These Black Caps have taken it to the next extreme. Whatever the situation they seem to score at 4/5/6RPO. It's staggering.
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England must surely have one half decent spinner that's better than Ali? Ali isn't up to the task of a Test match spinner.
What happened to Panesar? I hear a lot that Rasheed is a good leg spinner, whys he not worth a go?
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England must surely have one half decent spinner that's better than Ali? Ali isn't up to the task of a Test match spinner.
A lot of spinners not up to test match standard, herath appears to be the only quality spinner left in international cricket
Taylor gone to a tame shot. Time for the scoring rate to get quicker
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Mark Wood looks a little average for my liking but he's picked up a couple of wickets now. Snares the well set Guptill for 70.
Whatever happened to Plunkett? He looked the real McCoy.
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New Zealand with a 300 plus lead by the end of play today (rain allowing)
nz's game now.
Gonna be tough from england to draw or win from here imo.
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Very interesting test match from here. New Zealand have really taken the game by the scruff of the neck
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England must surely have one half decent spinner that's better than Ali? Ali isn't up to the task of a Test match spinner.
What happened to Panesar? I hear a lot that Rasheed is a good leg spinner, whys he not worth a go?
Although correct can't see any changes so close to the ashes Rasheed should have been given an oppotunity against the kiwis.
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NZ have done well, they are a great side and a good sport all around. ENG have a hard task ahead of them. Pitch is acting up and ENG batters will have a tough time batting against kiwi quicks.
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I think with Ali, they are hoping he improves similar to Lyon, who got better. At least Ali can bat as well.
I'd still prefer Rashid playing if they can get rid of too much loose stuff.
Plunkett will be back around the test team thoughts soon too.
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Why is this only a two test series? Bloody great cricket being played and in good spirits too from what I've seen
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Why is this only a two test series? Bloody great cricket being played and in good spirits too from what I've seen
NZ have to earn the right after decades of very poor test cricket unfortunately. Hopefully the next tour will be a bit longer.
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Some entertaining stuff from the tail.
England looking pretty clueless out there, just waiting for a declaration.
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Cook the batsman > Cook the captain
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Is stuard Broad some kind of pre-programmed brainless phallus? Smacked everywhere bowling short again!!!! what's he doing? 3 overs for 42 - what a nut-sack!!
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rumours he can match KP in the 'cant get my head in the dressing room door please widen it' stakes. all that space obviously not filled with brain matter
although having seen James De Gale interviewed recently he does make Broad look like Bamber 'Bamber' Gascoigne
LOL :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86kDFaJ2h4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86kDFaJ2h4)
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This test match has been a joy to watch. Wish all test matches were like this series
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What are they saying to him, or trying to mimic here?
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9870192/boult-enjoys-banter-with-fans (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9870192/boult-enjoys-banter-with-fans)
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Various things. Sounds like like 'Trent Boult, give us a wave' to begin with followed by 'Let's all do the Trent Boult'. All good natured it seemed.
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What are they saying to him, or trying to mimic here?
[url]http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9870192/boult-enjoys-banter-with-fans[/url] ([url]http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9870192/boult-enjoys-banter-with-fans[/url])
I'm sure he got a wicket very next over in any case ;).
Ballance goes cheaply, bell needs some runs here
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Bell and Root both gone.
Brilliant catch from latham to get Root. Great captaincy from McCullum to go with spin
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Bells shot selection... ???
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Shock Bell goes cheaply under pressure again. If only the bloke had some heart he'd probably go down as a great of the game.
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Yep! I know that Bell causes great debate on here, I know he scored a century a few innings ago -
However, I can't shake the feeling that whenever the chips are down he simply tosses it off - he doesn't buckle down and grit out a score.
I'm sure many of his fans will try to persuade me otherwise, but my enduring memory of him is going missing when we are in trouble.
Shame really.
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It seems as though Ian Bell's race is ran. Since the 2013 Ashes he's been in serious decline. In the 16 Tests since that 2013 Ashes series he's bern averaging in the 20s/30s. His only two hundreds came against the moderate attacks of India and West Indies.
The bigger issue is also eith Gary Ballance being some what found out, how can you go into an Ashes series with numbers 3 and 4 hopelessly out of form?
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This was always the big test for Ballance and he's failed it. Has Ravi Bop written all over it - 3 tons v Windies and he was wonderful, 3 tests v Aus and he was dropped.
Bell is struggling but no worse than Cook and we carried Cook for ages. I still believe Bell needs a KP figure in the team to take the pressure off him and allow him to just do his job. Bring in KP at 3, Root 4 and Bell 5.
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This was always the big test for Ballance and he's failed it. Has Ravi Bop written all over it - 3 tons v Windies and he was wonderful, 3 tests v Aus and he was dropped.
Bell is struggling but no worse than Cook and we carried Cook for ages. I still believe Bell needs a KP figure in the team to take the pressure off him and allow him to just do his job. Bring in KP at 3, Root 4 and Bell 5.
So is Gary Ballance the modern day version of Vinod Kambli? Good player of poor bowling?
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Time will tell, but by the end of the summer (if he lasts that long) we will know more.
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If NZ win it will be well deserved, but I do think they've had the best of the bowling and batting conditions in this test.
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I think before dropping Ballance they will likely consider a reshuffle with him and Root swapping positions.
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i think before dropping Ballance they will likely consider a reshuffle with him and Root swapping positions.
Root's averaging 90 batting at 5 since 2014, why move him?
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I see that argument, but I think they'll see that as less of a risk than bringing in someone new.
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I see that argument, but I think they'll see that as less of a risk than bringing in someone new.
give Moeen the 3 berth, Ballance at 6, Stokes 7 and Buttler 8.
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give Moeen the 3 berth, Ballance at 6, Stokes 7 and Buttler 8.
Uhhh Moeen vs the new ball sounds like a terrible idea
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give Moeen the 3 berth, Ballance at 6, Stokes 7 and Buttler 8.
Stokes was wank at 7 before though, and Buttler was always left 20* when he was at 8.
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Lovely leave from ali!
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Lovely leave from ali!
As if to demonstrate my point! If he can't judge a leave when it's going straight, how will he cope with Harris and Starc swinging it round corners?
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As if to demonstrate my point! If he can't judge a leave when it's going straight, how will he cope with Harris and Starc swinging it round corners?
Would add hazlewood to that, he's going to be a handful this summer
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Fair play New Zealand
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I'm sure broad wanted to review that one
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Kane looks like he is constantly bowling no balls, I feel this might be over in 10 overs.
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Stokes misjudged one as well.
Lovely leave from ali!
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Oh my! This is turning out to be a great test match!!!!!
Love test cricket!!!!
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Brilliant test match cricket from New Zealand. No moaning about ipl, lack of warm up games and under cooked after losing the first game.
Pretty much won the game in 4 days going at nearly 5 rpo.
It's a shame this is only a 2 test match series!
Stokes' heroics in the first test had paved over the cracks, a front line spinner was needed in this game
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Cook choosing to bowl first didn't help (in hindsight).
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Superb victory for the Black Caps. Positive and dynamic style of play. Throughly deserved victory. Why on Earth is this a 2 match series? When India got a 5 a Test series last year. Beggars belief.
Credit to Luke Ronchi, maybe Aussies consider him a traitor, but he waited his whole life to play Test cricket and he grabbed his chance with both hands. It's even possible that he might never play another Test.
BJ Watling was outstanding in the whole series. Almost goes under the radar in a side of dashers and smashers.
For England Alastair Cook was outstanding. But is he back to his absolute best? I don't think so. But he's working hard to get there.
But a few mega concerns ahead of the Ashes. Bell, Ballance and Ali need to buck up their ideas.
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I think the aussies are favourites even away from home,they look stronger than us in most departments.
Yes our top order looks a bit fragile,there will be some thinking KP could still fit in somewhere in the series....
Personally im backing Bell to come good,ballance im not so sure about against quality bowling
And australia have quality
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Good test best side won this one can't argue with that.
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You bet your life same with the Aussie I see a frail batting line up when world class swig bowling is at them.
Williamson aside there batting should not be feared bit like Australia too.
It's not a quick fix for me I have said Long time ago I expect us to smash New Zealand and take the ashes just about.
This is based on a number of factors I was told I was smoking drugs by one big mouth member but honestly what's to fear two very suspect batting line ups. We know what our bowlers will do in England I have every hope
There be down day no doubt but sometimes when you corner people as a group they become stronger
:D :D :D
Thank you BlackCaps, I love you.
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I think that at times, England showed real quality, but it was so sporadic. The New Zealand team know their roles well, play to their plans and always look to take the game to England. When England did the same, they were as good but it was only for the occasional session.
It was nice for Lyth to get some runs in this test. He deserves a shot and a decent few matches. I'd say as long as he does ok vs Australia, he'll be opening through the winter too.
When both teams played to their potential, they were very evenly matched. Both teams lacked a real quality spinner though.
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:D :D :D
Thank you BlackCaps, I love you.
But lets be honest you thought you would roll us fair result in the end and agree would love a 5 test series,
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There'll be some good cricket in the Ashes but it won't be played in anything like the same spirit as this one, certainly not with Johnson, Haddin and Warner about. New Zealand play the game how it should be, a credit to the sport and their skipper.
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Imagine how good the Kiwi team would have been with a proper warm up for some of their senior players...
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There'll be some good cricket in the Ashes but it won't be played in anything like the same spirit as this one, certainly not with Johnson, Haddin and Warner about. New Zealand play the game how it should be, a credit to the sport and their skipper.
I'm inclined to agree. Although I'm sure the aussies will be getting as good as they give ;)
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There'll be some good cricket in the Ashes but it won't be played in anything like the same spirit as this one, certainly not with Johnson, Haddin and Warner about. New Zealand play the game how it should be, a credit to the sport and their skipper.
How do England play it?
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How do England play it?
Badly! ;)
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You bet your life same with the Aussie I see a frail batting line up when world class swig bowling is at them.
Williamson aside there batting should not be feared bit like Australia too.
It's not a quick fix for me I have said Long time ago I expect us to smash New Zealand and take the ashes just about.
This is based on a number of factors I was told I was smoking drugs by one big mouth member but honestly what's to fear two very suspect batting line ups. We know what our bowlers will do in England I have every hope
There be down day no doubt but sometimes when you corner people as a group they become stronger
My prediction is looking good so far long way to go but overall series wins against New Zealand and a great start and yes it a start sometimes like in battle you have to have faith
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My prediction is looking good so far long way to go but overall series wins against New Zealand and a great start and yes it a start sometimes like in battle you have to have faith
Haha, digging this up again. "Overall" series win now?
Bloody well played England though, Always great to smash the Aussies.
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Not so much you pal but somepeople thought I was crazy backing ENGLAND infact so many did. The sky poll on the verdict was at 90 per cent ENGLAND will snatch the ashes back I still think it will be touch and go.
As I said before having you guys here was a real bonus as it made us play in a postitive note a different way.
We all know cricket it is a great leveller and I'm not saying ENGLAND are anything just I beleive we have some great players and whilst many doubted our quality I never did.
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Dave, I think what this series may prove is that there are no current great sides out there and most are good, but that when playing at home, home advantage will be made to show. The great ones will be those who perform away.
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Not so much you pal but somepeople thought I was crazy backing ENGLAND infact so many did. The sky poll on the verdict was at 90 per cent ENGLAND will snatch the ashes back I still think it will be touch and go.
As I said before having you guys here was a real bonus as it made us play in a postitive note a different way.
We all know cricket it is a great leveller and I'm not saying ENGLAND are anything just I beleive we have some great players and whilst many doubted our quality I never did.
You were right Dave not to doubt England's quaility unlike some whos egos would have us believe all Australia had to do was just turnup for the match
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I thought another famous member wrote rubbish just for attention, then I read this.
One good fight back and you are world beaters again. How can you say that apart from this guy their batting won't be feared? Australia annihilated you last Ashes. You just lost a test match to the WI's, NZ destroyed you in the last ODI we played. Pull your head out mate.
Maybe you should listen :D
god and day well there no dog to big and the drinks out in full flow what a great summer against a brilliant New Zealand and a average Australia side....
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Would rather play New Zealand in a 5 day test series. At least they would have made a game of it.
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Maybe you should listen :D
god and day well there no dog to big and the drinks out in full flow what a great summer against a brilliant New Zealand and a average Australia side....
Nostradamus. Happy to be proved wrong when anyone beats the Aussies.