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[Buzz]

Yes, the change in batting order has created a different approach.
things were 100% better today

[procricket]

Do you bet your red trousers on it?

You bet your life same with the Aussie I see a frail batting line up when world class swig bowling is at them.

Williamson aside there batting should not be feared bit like Australia too.

It's not a quick fix for me I have said Long time ago I expect us to smash New Zealand and take the ashes just about.

This is based on a number of factors I was told I was smoking drugs by one big mouth member but honestly what's to fear two very suspect batting line ups. We know what our bowlers will do in England I have every hope

There be down day no doubt but sometimes when you corner people as a group they become stronger

[potzy248]

You bet your life same with the Aussie I see a frail batting line up when world class swig bowling is at them.

Williamson aside there batting should not be feared bit like Australia too.

It's not a quick fix for me I have said Long time ago I expect us to smash New Zealand and take the ashes just about.

This is based on a number of factors I was told I was smoking drugs by one big mouth member but honestly what's to fear two very suspect batting line ups. We know what our bowlers will do in England I have every hope

There be down day no doubt but sometimes when you corner people as a group they become stronger

I thought another famous member wrote rubbish just for attention, then I read this.

One good fight back and you are world beaters again. How can you say that apart from this guy their batting won't be feared? Australia annihilated you last Ashes. You just lost a test match to the WI's, NZ destroyed you in the last ODI we played. Pull your head out mate.

[procricket]

Hold on read my posts ref ENGLAND pal I always did say we would beat you guys and do well against Australia.
Sorry but I have never feared your side in the UK.



You got to read my posts I always backed us against your fragile batting in the UK

We shall see

[Seniorplayer]

I thought another famous member wrote rubbish just for attention, then I read this.

One good fight back and you are world beaters again. How can you say that apart from this guy their batting won't be feared? Australia annihilated you last Ashes. You just lost a test match to the WI's, NZ destroyed you in the last ODI we played. Pull your head out mate.

The difference  is the tests are in the Uk where our bowlers will play on green tops and Jimmy will swing the ball around corners.

[procricket]

The difference  is the tests are in the Uk where our bowlers will play on green tops and Jimmy will swing the ball around corners.

100 per cent agree look how it swim today if Jimmy had been bowling today I suspect we would be batting by now.

As I said get Williamson and we be into New Zealand big time.

Not being funny but why should we fear New Zealand at home you sound as if you hold the rubber over us in tests which lets face it you don't .

[smilley792]

Anyway. Stokes new balance was pinging today!

[potzy248]

100 per cent agree look how it swim today if Jimmy had been bowling today I suspect we would be batting by now.

As I said get Williamson and we be into New Zealand big time.

Not being funny but why should we fear New Zealand at home you sound as if you hold the rubber over us in tests which lets face it you don't .

If our lineup is "fragile" then what on earth do you call your boys?

So if you don't fear NZ's batting or Aussies who do you fear? You are being a bit silly after how poorly your team has been doing in recent times. Anyway, I wouldn't use "fear" as the word to describe it, I would expect that England would respect both teams batsman. I know however, that they fear McCullum and David Warner.

Just a question. Did you put any money on England to roll NZ before yesterday's fight back?

I'm honestly wondering if (He who shall not be named) has snuck into your house and sabotaged your posts.

[procricket]

I don't gamble pal but read my posts pal I backed us a long time ago.

What has Brandon  done in England or Warner.

Of course we will have bad days and they respect your batting line up and Australia but what's really to fear neither side has past sucsess in the UK or individuals by and large.

Now let's be fair Both are at there peak.

But Australia will be a different sise in our wickets and no disrecpt to your side whic is fine side I think we have better individuals just need to get them playing as a side.

The Mitch factor could be nulified in the UK and stark may not even come with is injury.

It all to play for reading your comments earlier in this post it sounded like you all expected one way traffic from your boys ENGLAND fought today and fought hard and earned there spoils.

So at test level who scores yours runs I can only think of 2 in truth.

ODI yes you have the rub but test match when

But we can go on and on we will have to wait and see I will give you this it the best New Zealand side I habe seen in my 36 years

Oh and as for the other remark pal save it I have backed ENGLAND from a long time ago please read my post before our defeat in the last test ENGLAND at home is a tough objective and the ashes have not been held for 14 years.

What's wrong with positivity we have lost it so much negative we have world class player Who know how to play in the UK so why not

[potzy248]

I have no problem with you being happy about your side doing well today. But you are basing your claims on one solid effort. Others on here are focusing on the last 2 years. For you to belittle NZ is fine because we are not proven in England but to talk down Australia (Who I hate, but respect as a damn good side) after what they have done over the last few years is just wrong. Set aside today's effort and England in all forms have been woeful for a few years.

I hope NZ put you to the sword tomorrow. We will have to play bloody well though against Anderson.

[skip1973]

NZ had the perfect chance last night Potzy, just couldn't finish them off. Stokes you always would think you're a chance but Root look 2 steps above anyone else. Good days cricket though surely, over 300 runs scored after fighting back from 4 for nothing. 

[Nmcgee]

I don't gamble pal but read my posts pal I backed us a long time ago.

What has Brandon  done in England or Warner.

Of course we will have bad days and they respect your batting line up and Australia but what's really to fear neither side has past sucsess in the UK or individuals by and large.

Now let's be fair Both are at there peak.

But Australia will be a different sise in our wickets and no disrecpt to your side whic is fine side I think we have better individuals just need to get them playing as a side.

The Mitch factor could be nulified in the UK and stark may not even come with is injury.

It all to play for reading your comments earlier in this post it sounded like you all expected one way traffic from your boys ENGLAND fought today and fought hard and earned there spoils.

So at test level who scores yours runs I can only think of 2 in truth.

ODI yes you have the rub but test match when

But we can go on and on we will have to wait and see I will give you this it the best New Zealand side I habe seen in my 36 years

Oh and as for the other remark pal save it I have backed ENGLAND from a long time ago please read my post before our defeat in the last test ENGLAND at home is a tough objective and the ashes have not been held for 14 years.

What's wrong with positivity we have lost it so much negative we have world class player Who know how to play in the UK so why not

What rambling drivel

[benny231]

So at test level who scores yours runs I can only think of 2 in truth.

Who scores NZ's runs?
Well since March 2013, Williamson has scored 1823 @65.10, McCullum has scored 1547 @51.56, Taylor has scored 1291 @51.64. Not to mention Latham, Watling and Neesham who have all averaged over 40 since then with 7 100's and 10 50's between them. But nah, only two kiwi bats can score.
Lets have a look at the England bats yeah? Cook, 1447 @ 34.45. Outstanding. Bell, 1552 @37.85. These are the two senior bats for England. Riveting. Root, however, despite Englands best attempts to hinder his career by batting him everywhere but 11 has score 2081 @ 59 and Ballance has scored 1061 @ 58.

I would have also thought you'd rate a teams batting line up on their ability to score big and go on with it. NZ have scored 25 hundreds in that period. That included 4 doubles and one triple. England, the dangerous batting powerhouse, on the other hand have scored just 22 having played 6 more tests, with a lone 200* from their saviour Joe Root.

I wouldn't say this English top order is anything to be scared of...

[tim2000s]

So aside from the disagreement as to who is the better side (personally I think, on paper, England and NZ are typically pretty well matched), let's look forward to the rest of the test.

Can we push on over 400? Moeen is going to need to bat well with what is now fully the tail. With the attacking fields that McCullum sets, there are loads of gaps. Will these be found, or will ball hit hands today?

When we bowl, if the new ball does what it did yesterday, Anderson should be very difficult to play for all the NZ top order. If Broad can pitch it up and find the pace he was showing towards the end of the WI tour, he will also be a tough prospect on this pitch. I don't know enough about Wood to know what he offers, except the description that he is a skiddy bowler. Is he quick enough to do some damage, and how will Cook use Stokes? Can we expect to use him like a Freddie? Short sharp, hostile, fast spells to try and put the willies up the batsman. Is he quick enough to do that with?

How do we use the specialist spinner, Moeen, and can he and Root provide enough coverage on what is going to be a dry and turning final day wicket? Based on what we've seen so far, I suspect that if NZ can survive the new ball, there are runs a plenty in this wicket on days two and three. The new ball is going to be key though.

[potzy248]

Who scores NZ's runs?
Well since March 2013, Williamson has scored 1823 @65.10, McCullum has scored 1547 @51.56, Taylor has scored 1291 @51.64. Not to mention Latham, Watling and Neesham who have all averaged over 40 since then with 7 100's and 10 50's between them. But nah, only two kiwi bats can score.
Lets have a look at the England bats yeah? Cook, 1447 @ 34.45. Outstanding. Bell, 1552 @37.85. These are the two senior bats for England. Riveting. Root, however, despite Englands best attempts to hinder his career by batting him everywhere but 11 has score 2081 @ 59 and Ballance has scored 1061 @ 58.

I would have also thought you'd rate a teams batting line up on their ability to score big and go on with it. NZ have scored 25 hundreds in that period. That included 4 doubles and one triple. England, the dangerous batting powerhouse, on the other hand have scored just 22 having played 6 more tests, with a lone 200* from their saviour Joe Root.

I wouldn't say this English top order is anything to be scared of...

Thats what I mean, what was Procricket on about. I'm going to say he was drunk (Content of his message and the many typo's). Very (He who shall not be named) esk, and delusional.

Anyway. Like Tim said, the new ball will be key. Guptil back after a long break and Latham still pretty green. It will be up to Williamson and Taylor to work hard and McCullum, Anderson to reap havoc if they do.