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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Ashes 2015 => Topic started by: Buzz on July 13, 2015, 11:11:11 AM
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Adopts best Lords announcer voice and above the expectant hush
"Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Lords"
It is test match week at the home of cricket and I have just spoken to Mick Hunt the Lords groundsman who has assured me that the pitch is going to be one of his quickest and bounciest ever. I am not sure he was telling the whole truth...*
England will be unchanged assuming that Wood's ankle is ok. The Aussies have a bit more thinking to do. Starc is likely to be fit - but I think that Clarke will want to bring in Siddle to gain some control. Watson is favourite for the chop... but will Haddin be chopped as well?
*I didn't speak to Mick Hunt really
It is going to be a cracking few days. I remain totally astonished by the result in the first game and was really impressed with everything about the England performance. Man of the match was Haddin for me, his mistake changed the course of the match.
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Starc due to be fit according to the BBC.
Watson to be replaced by Mitchell Marsh?
Nevill for Haddin?
Siddle for Mitchell (he bowl's to the left, he bowls to the right...) Johnson?
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Can't see Watson for Siddle. Australia love their 6 batsman too much. If they do change for Mitch Marsh then they will need to play Siddle somehow. Can't have Starc, Johnson, and Marsh trying to bowl wicket taking balls every over. Even though Australia lost 3-0 last time they were here they bowled pretty well and Harris/Siddle was key to that. Can't have Harris anymore (thank god) but Siddle in the conditions might be a better punt than Johnson. I don't think Johnson's sterling effort of 170-2 is well bowled in the context of the 1st test and he had a nightmare at Lords last time around. Starc on one leg was better.
Love it if they played Watson again and he was LBW, then referred it :D
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I don't know about astonished by the result though if you look at all the factors before the game Johnsons bowling in England English conditions England on the up after playing the mavellous Kiwis England's brave new play without fear approach the teams were never that far apart in fact i always thought England were the better team also looking at the two teams don't think many of Aussies side would get into this England team in fact I think if it was possible it would be a step backwards.
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I can't understand not selecting Siddle, has a good Ashes history and also probably one of the more seasoned players having played County cricket over here. Also has been one of the more dangerous bowlers in Ashes series, they could've used him to just hold an end.
Haddin will not be chopped until the series is decided, he is Clarke's right hand man and if he gets it to click once then he will win the Aussies a game. Listening to 5Live, they aren't confident in Nevill just yet.
Watson is favourite to go, but can they afford to put another newbie in to this squad already 1-0 down?
Surprised no one has mentioned Voges? the old boy who didn't really do anything? Apart from show the world his solid defence!
Wouldn't want to be the selector for the next game.
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Haddin will not be chopped until the series is decided
Ah, frustration due to not getting a chop, that explains why his mind seemed to be elsewhere...
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Ah, frustration due to not getting a chop, that explains why his mind seemed to be elsewhere...
May explain the fear of catching Joe Root's balls?
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Haddin has been a liability with the gloves since the 2013 Ashes when he spilled a few chances. Feet stuck in cement but he's got away with it because Australia's bowling has been so good. His batting isn't much better. Good timer of a ball but his feet don't move and he makes some poor shot choices. He's got away with it because England bowled to short in previous series. Now they are getting it up to him and occasionally using the bouncer to rough him up. Problem is most test batsman start to struggle with the short stuff in their mid to late 30s, I seem to remember Lara and Ponting both looking edgy in the twilight of their careers. I think Haddin will struggle this series but they'll stick with him.
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1.09 Haddin and his brain cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqnL7MrRqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqnL7MrRqY)
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1.09 Haddin and his brain cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqnL7MrRqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqnL7MrRqY)
Watson out LBW 0'02 in oh dear
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Can't see why they wouldn't pick Siddle. His nagging line and length on the Lords slope could be McGrath-esque.
Haddin & Watson will keep their spots for one more test atleast I'd imagine.
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Just seen Australia's record away from home.
Last 19 tests in Asia and in England, Australia have only won 2 test matches! Then again most teams apart from South Africa struggle to win away now
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1.09 Haddin and his brain cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqnL7MrRqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqnL7MrRqY)
This is the video we all wanted to see..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUKtvRJe3E&sns=tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUKtvRJe3E&sns=tw)
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This is the video we all wanted to see..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUKtvRJe3E&sns=tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUKtvRJe3E&sns=tw)
What I love about that is the look of utter disbelief on his face on every occasion that he is walking off after DRS has confirmed the umpire's decision!
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With the slope at Lords, I have a feeling one of his reviews might be successful this time
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This is the video we all wanted to see..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUKtvRJe3E&sns=tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUKtvRJe3E&sns=tw)
Great video! Some of them are as plum as you get! Still reviews haha
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwelPDdBVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwelPDdBVo) - Shane Watson LBW v ROW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbcoH_TVMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbcoH_TVMQ) - Updated Watson's LBW Ashes
More Watson fun
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwelPDdBVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwelPDdBVo) - Shane Watson LBW v ROW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbcoH_TVMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbcoH_TVMQ) - Updated Watson's LBW Ashes
More Watson fun
The question is, does Watson's propensity for LBW sit at the back of the mind of umpires such that even a marginal call is likely to get given out as "he normally is" and then the DRS decision goes "Umpire's Call"? Is there now an inherent positive bias in international cricket against Watson due to his own silly use of DRS?
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Does Watson ever get a decision overturned using DRS, answer no. Therefore the umpire is pretty safe giving him out. Use your bat and not the pad is the moral of the story.
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Can't see Haddington being dropped just yet, like has been said he is Clarke go to man and his experience will keep him in the side for next test. Never seen or heard much about this Neville guy either
Personally for me sidle has to play and but can't decide if I would drop Johnson just yet, although he did better with bat than ball he is still there trump bowler for me. Would be great if they did but can't see it
Watson well from and English point of view I would love to see him keep his place but would be a brave call espicially if he stays at 6, I feel he will get chopped and that will be the end for him. Just watched that video of dismissals and reviews the bloke must have the ego the side of Southend pier to review some of those lol
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All these Watson videos have made my day. Enjoy this one.
http://youtu.be/sQdCO6duLs8 (http://youtu.be/sQdCO6duLs8)
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Watsons selection in the side is an interesting one. Given Mitch Marsh's batting form leading in, the selectors basically said that Watson's bowling is better. If you're picking him based on his bowling being better then surely he has to bowl more than 8 overs in a 102 over innings where the opposition team makes over 400.
With Harris being out I think Siddle has to play as the workhorse bowler, which he does well. If my memory is correct the Aussies haven't done as well when playing 2 left armers + 1 right armer. Although this might be more a case of Starc and Johnson being too similar and aggressive type bowlers with a tendency to leak runs.
A poor performance at Lords by the Aussies will all but certainly see the series get away from them. A win is a must.
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Don't know whats happening to me, but I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Watson. He's shown that he is a tool, but it is getting a bit out of hand. He does have a family and they must see all of these video's circulating on social media.
Anyway... Pat Cummins will play next test, you heard it here first.
Don't know about the comment about none of the Aussies making it into the England team (Sigh). Id say: Warner, Smith, Clarke, Johnson, Starc, would all be automatic starters, Lyon is a better spinner than Ali but Id have Ali for his batting.
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Watsons out of chances for me, unfortunately Marsh is a bowler that leaks runs so he won't fit with Starc and Johnson. Johnson goes for me unless the wicket is much faster. So Siddle and Marsh in for Watson and Johnson, I'd rather have Neville there as well but can't see them dropping Haddin yet.
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Don't know whats happening to me, but I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Watson. He's shown that he is a tool, but it is getting a bit out of hand. He does have a family and they must see all of these video's circulating on social media.
Anyway... Pat Cummins will play next test, you heard it here first.
Don't know about the comment about none of the Aussies making it into the England team (Sigh). Id say: Warner, Smith, Clarke, Johnson, Starc, would all be automatic starters, Lyon is a better spinner than Ali but Id have Ali for his batting.
Yes looking to the furture only Smith though ( who could have been playing for England) to eventually replace Bell
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Don't know whats happening to me, but I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Watson. He's shown that he is a tool, but it is getting a bit out of hand. He does have a family and they must see all of these video's circulating on social media.
Anyway... Pat Cummins will play next test, you heard it here first.
Don't know about the comment about none of the Aussies making it into the England team (Sigh). Id say: Warner, Smith, Clarke, Johnson, Starc, would all be automatic starters, Lyon is a better spinner than Ali but Id have Ali for his batting.
Broad has a family too it's the ashes
Watches Cummins in Ireland he looks sharp to me but isn't he too fragile
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He's not played a first class game in 2 years - that's fairly fragile! I can't see them picking Cummins until he has at least played a warm up game. Would be a massive risk with Starc's ankle, Watson's dodgy back or Marsh playing his first test.
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He's not played a first class game in 2 years - that's fairly fragile! I can't see them picking Cummins until he has at least played a warm up game. Would be a massive risk with Starc's ankle, Watson's dodgy back or Marsh playing his first test.
Marsh has played 4 tests so not his first. Agree that I can't see cummins in just yet.
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https://youtu.be/qY-mW_mBVu4 (https://youtu.be/qY-mW_mBVu4)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXAPujmXYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXAPujmXYs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnXKZvZ7-Jg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnXKZvZ7-Jg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TteX2gqXAU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TteX2gqXAU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__nLhDrKyOU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__nLhDrKyOU)
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BBC are reporting Haddin will miss the 2nd test due to personal reasons
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Brad Haddin is not expected to play at Lord's. Personal reasons He has not been dropped. more to follow ...
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Or what Ian said.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVy924aahYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVy924aahYo) - Shane Watson still can't avoid LBW situations, even when fielding.
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Lords pitch 2 days out
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ3L4rLWsAAsx1h.jpg)
Other end via instigram - https://instagram.com/p/5G-PMXIZBB/
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Lords pitch 2 days out
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ3L4rLWsAAsx1h.jpg)
Other end via instigram - https://instagram.com/p/5G-PMXIZBB/
Going to be a complete road. That green tinge won't be there on Thursday morning.
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Is haddin doing a Trott/Swann and will retire mid way through series??? Anyone know anything about Nevill?? Is he Gary and Phil's long lost brother?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVy924aahYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVy924aahYo) - Shane Watson still can't avoid LBW situations, even when fielding.
Haha I was going to put this one on when I got home from work
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Is haddin doing a Trott/Swann and will retire mid way through series??? Anyone know anything about Nevill?? Is he Gary and Phil's long lost brother?
Well the last time he had personal issues that made him miss cricket his daughter was seriously ill. These things tend to never be great news (and almost certainly not because he doesn't fancy it)
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He a batsman who can keep more than a pure keeper have seen him a couple of times but my mate rates his batting. Says he is as good as Wade was
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Haddin out of next test
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He a batsman who can keep more than a pure keeper have seen him a couple of times but my mate rates his batting. Says he is as good as Wade was
Averaged 70 last shield season so can definitely bat.
I like this video of Wade's keeping http://youtu.be/nIdGgEhr1s8 (http://youtu.be/nIdGgEhr1s8)
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Broad has a family too it's the ashes
What a stupid comment. You Poms cried long and hard when Trott and Swann pulled out of the "Ashes". What a tragedy it was.
Its just a game, Watson, Broad's or any of the players families shouldn't just accept it because its the Ashes.
Like I said, I think Watson is a selfish, so and so, I don't like the guy at all.
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He a batsman who can keep more than a pure keeper have seen him a couple of times but my mate rates his batting. Says he is as good as Wade was
I was surprised Wade being left out, he seemed to be the next in line. Is Wade now out of favour, or is Nevill simply the better all round player?
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Broad has a family too it's the ashes
What a stupid comment. You Poms cried long and hard when Trott and Swann pulled out of the "Ashes". What a tragedy it was.
Its just a game, Watson, Broad's or any of the players families shouldn't just accept it because its the Ashes.
Like I said, I think Watson is a selfish, so and so, I don't like the guy at all.
Why is it a stupid comment pal it happens never said it was right but it happend to Broad in Australia and its happening to big front dog Watson.
You do get a bee in your bonnet sometimes pal I was stating our players get it too by the Australian where did I say I condone it.
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Why is it a stupid comment pal it happens never said it was right but it happend to Broad in Australia and its happening to big front dog Watson.
You do get a bee in your bonnet sometimes pal
I really don't think you think about what you write sometimes mate.
I just get fed up with ignorance and how much you Poms seem change your tunes. One minute you hate your team (granted you have always said they would do well, but most of the CBF have), then they are the most amazing team the world has ever seen. "KP needs to be back, now I haven't heard a peep about him since you started winning. Cook has to go, now he's back in form and you guys love him again.
The one that really gets me angry is the Trott and Swann issue. When they pulled out everyone on here gave them a big cuddle and said that cricket is only a game and so on and so fourth, what a terrible shame but mental illness is terrible etc etc. Now you come on here and say that families of these guys should have to put up with it because its the Ashes. Should Trotts and Swanns families have sent them back and told them "its the Ashes, get back out there"?
Some of the Watson stuff is pretty funny but id say this will be really getting to him and his family, thats all i'm saying.
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Err... Swann had a mental illness? Last I checked elbow problems didn't have a lot to do with depression.
Are Watson's family really going to be that traumatised by the fact that he gets out lbw a lot and people take the mickey? Hardly anything new either.
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The Cricket Australia website is reporting that Watson has been dropped and Mitch Marsh is in.
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Err... Swann had a mental illness? Last I checked elbow problems didn't have a lot to do with depression.
Are Watson's family really going to be that traumatised by the fact that he gets out lbw a lot and people take the mickey? Hardly anything new either.
Swann was a pussy...
Watson deserved to be dropped. That will be his Aussie career gone.
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I really don't think you think about what you write sometimes mate.
I just get fed up with ignorance and how much you Poms seem change your tunes. One minute you hate your team (granted you have always said they would do well, but most of the CBF have), then they are the most amazing team the world has ever seen. "KP needs to be back, now I haven't heard a peep about him since you started winning. Cook has to go, now he's back in form and you guys love him again.
The one that really gets me angry is the Trott and Swann issue. When they pulled out everyone on here gave them a big cuddle and said that cricket is only a game and so on and so fourth, what a terrible shame but mental illness is terrible etc etc. Now you come on here and say that families of these guys should have to put up with it because its the Ashes. Should Trotts and Swanns families have sent them back and told them "its the Ashes, get back out there"?
Some of the Watson stuff is pretty funny but id say this will be really getting to him and his family, thats all i'm saying.
Maybe Watson's family should stop reading the CBF forum if it is upsetting them that much! ;)
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Maybe Watson's family should stop reading the CBF forum if it is upsetting them that much! ;)
Along with newspapers, social media or basically the whole internet... :D
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They do say the internet is home to the most balanced and realistic people out there.
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Haddins daughter is sick again that's why he is out.
Hopefully Neville does the job and makes the most of his chance. And hopefully our bowlers can hit a length this test!!!
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A more balanced response from me.
I think until the real reasons come out, and sometimes they never do, the general public are very quick to get on the back of people in the spotlight.
My personal opinion was that I was very disappointed with the way that Swann and Trott left the squad, as well as the timing, however sometimes for your own sanity you have to do things like that.
Similar to Haddin now, people will say he is bottling it, but until the real reason comes out, the general public are not to know any different and in the heat of the Ashes things get said that are soon regretted.
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Leaving a tour obviously disrupes teams planning but Haddin as a genuine reason so did Trott didn't agree with Swanns reason.
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I`m pretty sure Swann wouldn't have walked if we'd been ahead...
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Swann went down in my opinion jumping from a sinking ship
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Haddins daughter is sick again that's why he is out.
Hopefully Neville does the job and makes the most of his chance. And hopefully our bowlers can hit a length this test!!!
Rubbish reason from Haddin, get back out there mate this is the Ashes... ;)
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Well back to tomorrows 2nd test after outplaying the Aussies in every department in the 1st test England now know they have nothing to fear.Australias air of invincibility as now been well and truly blown away.
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Swann should of retired after the 2013 ashes if his elbow wasn't right. Going mid series smacks of bottling it. If you get dropped fair enough but for gods sake don't walk. Trott was badly managed and obviously wasn't in a fit state, good job ECB.
Without knowing Haddin's daughters condition I can't comment, but if it's serious then he should be with her. Whether he was given a shove by Boof we'll never know.
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Am hearing that Moeen may have a side strain and Rashid is set for the big call up...
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Uh oh... Rashid is gunna get Scott Borthwicked if he plays!
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In other important news, Ricky Ponting will ring the 5 minute bell tomorrow in the bowlers bar!
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In other important news, Ricky Ponting will ring the 5 minute bell tomorrow in the bowlers bar!
Ooh, I'll set the alarm... :-[
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Just found out that Haddin's daughter was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago and according to reports is going through another phase of the illness.
No bond or commitment can be stronger than family and hopefully everything works out for him regardless what his reasons are for leaving.
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England will press Moeen Ali into service for Thursday’s second Ashes Test at Lord’s, with the captain Alastair Cook hoping the all-rounder can get through the match with a minor side strain after his spin-bowling understudy Adil Rashid declared himself unfit to play.
Hmm, maybe those reports about Rashid's desire were right?
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Joe Root can bowl some filth as well.
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England will press Moeen Ali into service for Thursday’s second Ashes Test at Lord’s, with the captain Alastair Cook hoping the all-rounder can get through the match with a minor side strain after his spin-bowling understudy Adil Rashid declared himself unfit to play.
Hmm, maybe those reports about Rashid's desire were right?
Rashid's torn his spinning finger apparently.
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Rashid's torn his spinning finger apparently.
Where is Tredwell when you need him
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Bowling pies at the oval...
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Where is Tredwell when you need him
Oh no
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Is anybody watching this match or are you boys all at work today? Rogers' going well.
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At work but keeping a sly eye on the BBC live feed.
I was talking to my Dad last night and predicted Rogers would be in for a biggy in this match.
I also said Dave Warner would get confused by the slope and that Mitchell Johnson would bowl to the left, bowl to the right and leak a few runs!
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We are quiet at work tomorrow so I've taken the day off and just cracked a bottle of scotch. Hopefully I can see out the days play :D
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Australia day so far fair play Rodgers i like the way he goes about his business. England will have to bat well first dig Australia could wrack up 600 here.
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well batted lads
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Crikey this is a flat deck! Wonder how Johnson will bowl on it....?
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Crikey this is a flat deck! Wonder how Johnson will bowl on it....?
Think this is a perfect example of the double edged sword (or shooting yourself in the foot).
England requested a slower, flatter pitch (according to TMS), now they can't get wickets...
So frightened of pace they nullify themselves?
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Think this is a perfect example of the double edged sword (or shooting yourself in the foot).
England requested a slower, flatter pitch (according to TMS), now they can't get wickets...
So frightened of pace they nullify themselves?
If all the decks are like this then (without a leggie) it's going to be wholly dependent on the toss.
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Ben hilfenhous is staying in our hotel in portugal
I just passed him in the lobby and just said 'a good day for you'
Which was all i coukd say
Win the toss win the match it looks like from day 1 at lords
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That pitch is the flatist pitch I have ever seen. Unbelievable. The guys batted and bowled well. But dear God turgid.
For the spectators it was a day for speaking to @thebigginge and getting a smash on!
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That pitch is the flatist pitch I have ever seen. Unbelievable. The guys batted and bowled well. But dear God turgid.
For the spectators it was a day for speaking to @thebigginge and getting a smash on!
I wonder what we are expecting in the other matches. Even when England do get in to bat, Rogers has amply demonstrated how to do it. Don't worry about scoring quickly. Occupy the crease and just accumulate. That's all England will need to do as well. We won't of course. Lyth, Cook and Bell will chuck it away!
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Well batted lads but goes a long way when the Cardiff pitch is better
Then the one at lords the home of cricket, at least Cardiff gave us a contest between bat and ball
This pitch is truly shocking
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If this is the sort of track they are gomna prepare they could kill what promised to be the closest most exciting ashes series here in England since 05
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wouldn't judge how flat a pitch really is until both sides bat on it.
if both sides score 500+ I see a big fine coming Lord's way
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Well batted lads but goes a long way when the Cardiff pitch is better
Then the one at lords the home of cricket, at least Cardiff gave us a contest between bat and ball
This pitch is truly shocking
No it didn't. Most batsmen threw their wicket away at Cardiff, pitch was dead..
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wouldn't judge how flat a pitch really is until both sides bat on it.
if both sides score 500+ I see a big fine coming Lord's way
I agree that a pitch shouldn't be judged until both sides bat. Here's hoping it quickens up for days 2&3 then takes spin days 4&5.
Why would lords get a fine? I'm not familiar with that.
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I agree that a pitch shouldn't be judged until both sides bat. Here's hoping it quickens up for days 2&3 then takes spin days 4&5.
Why would lords get a fine? I'm not familiar with that.
Trent bridge got fined last year for preparing a poor wicker. It was slow and flat
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Does Watson ever get a decision overturned using DRS, answer no. Therefore the umpire is pretty safe giving him out. Use your bat and not the pad is the moral of the story.
Let's be honest here though. 4 out of those 6 dismissals were umpires calls so if the umpire gave it not out originally then only 2 were actually out.
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Great video! Some of them are as plum as you get! Still reviews haha
2 from 6 were plum
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Well, Rogers just saved by the new bits on the Masuri helmet. That could have been a whole lot worse...
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*Shrey
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*Shrey
I stand corrected... The Masuri attachment on the Shrey helmet...
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Aussies collapsing ... ;-)
Might bowl them out for 550
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Aussies collapsing ... ;-)
Might bowl them out for 550
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You joked, and then it came true, 550 and england are actually back in the game.
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550 and england are actually back in the game
Now that's optimistic!
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Now that's optimistic!
Double tons from Cook and Root, 720-4dec and Mo skittles them trying to chase it down on day 5, you heard it here first.
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Declaration when Smith reaches his 200, huge score from England, rain saves the aussies on the 5th day.
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Declaration when Smith reaches his 200, huge score from England, rain saves the aussies on the 5th day.
Aus declare on 500 and England bat the remaining 3 days, Starc, Johnson, Hazelwood all unfit for the next test lol
Somehow I don't think England will find it that easy!
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Steve Smith doesn't have the technique to score 200 in England. Frigin Muppets
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Aus declare on 500 and England bat the remaining 3 days, Starc, Johnson, Hazelwood all unfit for the next test lol
Somehow I don't think England will find it that easy!
Thats the likely option right now - I've got tickets for Sunday so hopefully it won't be just a day of us blocking though!!!
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Bat till about 4:30. Declare. Bowl for 30-60 mins at England tonight. Then fresh again for the morning.
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Lyth gone second ball.
I'm sure I'll get abuse for this but.
He's not doing anymore than Compton, carberry,Robson or even trott has done.
Some of them he's doing a lot less.
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Lyth gone second ball.
I'm sure I'll get abuse for this but.
He's not doing anymore than Compton, carberry,Robson or even trott has done.
Some of them he's doing a lot less.
But he's from Yorkshire!!! ;)
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But he's from Yorkshire!!! ;)
And all the others had full series against someone, so he'll probably get a couple more games at least.
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Lyth needs time to bed in really. He isn't the worst out there. Who in the County Circuit would you suggest they call up to open?
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Ballance bowled not playing forward. No surprise really.
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He just looks terrified constantly...
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Well this doesn't look good!
4-1 to aus if we dont being kp back.............
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And Bell bowled not playing forward... Well, not moving his feet at all. There's a pattern emerging here.
Shall we just open with Root and Cook?
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Surprise surprise a bit of pressure and Bell has folded again. Pathetic creature.
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Aside from not moving his feet, the one that got Bell was a lot better ball than I gave it credit for being.
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Aside from not moving his feet, the one that got Bell was a lot better ball than I gave it credit for being.
Amazing how many 'good balls' he gets when we are three for not many in the first innings.
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What a disaster. Lowest score against Aus coming up? Root out for 1 playing one he should have left. Scoreboard pressure and two days in the field having their toll?
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The saviour has gone!!
Over in 3 days this.
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We will find out how good England are now in this game .....
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Optimism - might see Cooky top score for the first time in ages?
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KP.... ;)
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KP.... ;)
#bringbackflintoff
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The saviour has gone!!
Over in 3 days this.
Better not be. I want to go on Sunday!
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Bairstow and Hales for me if your changing people or a wildcard Mitchell at Worcs.
Not time to panic though however just seen the facts and us being 3 down for under 50 often
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Bairstow and Hales for me if your changing people or a wildcard Mitchell at Worcs.
Yes! I've been saying that for ages, he's consistently been a rock for Worcs - I'd back him
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Root to 3, stokes to 5 and Bairstow at 6 for now.( I believe balance is the weakest link? And you don't want to dump 3 at ones in the middle of an ashes)
After this series look to replace bell if he's still in this form, and myth if he's not yet done anything.
Hales would be nice from an attacking point of view, but his 4 day form before ipl hasn't returned since he came back.
I reckon one day(maybe not this year) Sam northeast will be in the England set up somewhere.
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Not such a flat pitch now!
That's why it's better to wait till both sides have batted before judging a wicket
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I believe balance is the weakest link?
Scores a gritty fifty in 1st test
Scores more than Cook, Root, Bell and Lyth added together (at this time, Cook is 18no).
Career average still touching 50.
Gone past 50 10 times in 20-odd innings.
He's not great to watch, but he is doing a job, a very good job at 3 to say he bats 6 for Yorkshire.
Maybe they should just swap Root and Ballance???
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I'll happily admit when I'm wrong.
Tests in 2015
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Bell is having a mare!
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In the current lineup and in form I'd say Bell is the weak link.
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I'll happily admit when I'm wrong.
Tests in 2015
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Bell is having a mare!
Mark Wood has 4th best average...
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So who here still thinks Steve Smith is overrated? There were plenty here putting their 2 bobs worth about him in the past.
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So who here still thinks Steve Smith is overrated? There were plenty here putting their 2 bobs worth about him in the past.
@Seniorplayer :D
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Steve Smith has been amazing really. I'm not a big fan of his but you can't argue with his numbers. Id like to hope the Kiwi's are devising a great plan for him this coming summer. Stack the leg side and get Southee bowling at leg stump...
I see this match being a draw.
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@Seniorplayer :D
He is a bit blinded by patriotism that's all, bit like a lesser version of Gerry.
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Few rat's deserting the sinking ship already, "New England" win the first test and all is sweet, couple of tough day's and it's all doom and gloom.
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Seniorplayer is like a lot of English, technique obsessed
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Clarke looks like he's on struggle Street. Battled away to make 7 and never looked convincing. Nevill comes off and reeled off an pretty effortless 40odd
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Steve Smith has improved massively since his debut and doesn't look to be stopping.
His technique isn't perfect yet when he started he had a glaring hole which he worked on.
I always say to give them a good year after hitting the heights of his batting to see where he is so a true class player will still be doing well this time next year but so far he is looking great.
Being a little argumentative. Going back to technique, he had a glaring issue and was written off. Maybe there is hope for Ballance yet, who has a massive issue yet still averaging high 40s.
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And yet bell has brilliant technique and how has he been going this year?
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I love how they didn't bowl Anderson again so he didn't get a 100. Poor little darlin
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Steve Smith has improved massively since his debut and doesn't look to be stopping.
His technique isn't perfect yet when he started he had a glaring hole which he worked on.
I always say to give them a good year after hitting the heights of his batting to see where he is so a true class player will still be doing well this time next year but so far he is looking great.
Being a little argumentative. Going back to technique, he had a glaring issue and was written off. Maybe there is hope for Ballance yet, who has a massive issue yet still averaging high 40s.
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You do realise Steve Smith's batting form started about Dec '13?
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You do realise Steve Smith's batting form started about Dec '13?
He only really started upping his game past an average of 35-40 in Dec 14
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He only really started upping his game past an average of 35-40 in Dec 14
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Between Dec '13 and Dec '14 he averaged 80+
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I've just watched the highlights of Smith's 200 again and I'm wondering why he was given out? It looked to have struck him outside the line of off stump. He was also playing a shot so according to the laws of lbw, that's normally not out. Why was it umpire's call?
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It hit him on line, just, according to DRS.
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By about a 1/4 of a mm........
Shows we needed luck to get him out that innings.
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Thoughts on Neville?
To me he was a breath of fresh air, so much tidier than Haddin. I think they will bring Hads back but I hope they don't.
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I think he is going to have a long and successful career playing for Australia
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Should Adam Voges not pull up well from the blow to his hip, Peter Nevill more than good enough to play as a pure batsman. His record for NSW is outstanding with the bat.
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Lovely day for it.
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Lucky (No Swearing Please)!
Australia starting to put the hammer down now. Looks as though we'll only have 8 fielders if we keep falling off the perch. Doesn't look like voges will bat in his regular spot either
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Worlds best batsman follows up his 215 with a selfless 58. Rather embarrassingly Ali celebrates after Smith gave his wicket away.
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Australia declare on 2/254 off 49 overs. England set a world record 509 to win.
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Worlds best batsman follows up his 215 with a selfless 58. Rather embarrassingly Ali celebrates after Smith gave his wicket away.
Just seen the lunchtime highlights. He didn't seem to celebrate particularly much.
He still got him out so a little cheer is always allowed.
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1/12 Starc gets Lyth again. Lyth so terrible he actually make Robson look decent.
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Has lyth developed a problem? Similar dismissal to innings 1
Time for balance to dig in. Come on Gary!
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All over by tonight I reckon.
2 poor shots!
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2/23 Mitchell Johnson gets Alastair Cook for 11.
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Hope no one has tickets for tomorrow!
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England 3 down with less than 50 on the board. Bet the odds on that weren't great at the bookies
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Root top edges straight in to the grill peak off the new masuri
It does not penetrate!! Lid did its job there.
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It was certainly impressive the way it handle the blow. Certainly convinced me that the new design is an improvement.
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Yeah very impressive from the helmet. Done its job perfectly there, fantastic!
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3 down early, sounds familiar.
how many times can they keep allowing this happen without making changes?
Pitch not looking as flat as everyone keeps saying ;)
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Pitch is looking fairly benign from here...
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4 down with bell gone
must be a flat track at 48-4
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Hard slog for Aussies now. There into the batsmen! Root stokes and Ali..........
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School boy!!
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Oooh Stokes!
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stokes run out being lazy!
no excuses for that!
52-5
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Laughable!
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Best thing about being at Lord's this afternoon....
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first ball after tea, buttler nicks one behind!
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Englands time to do some soul searching now 1-1 with 3 to play it looks maybe a new face or two for england this time
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Mitchell Johnson with renewed vigour has shown class prevails in any situation.
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Really failing to see why Root's intent on hiding down at number 5. I know he was exposed in Australia but what's the point coming on at 3-30 every time?
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8-101 Broad gone after slogging 25 Lyon's second wicket.
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Josh Hazlewood bowls Joe Root with a ripper for 17. 9-101
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Josh Hazlewood bowls Joe Root with a ripper for 17. 9-101
Stayed a bit low. Did you mean "grubber"
In other news, Bairstow gets another 100...
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Stayed a bit low. Did you mean "grubber"
In other news, Bairstow gets another 100...
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It hit half way up the stump.
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Stayed a bit low. Did you mean "grubber"
In other news, Bairstow gets another 100...
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Going back to a half volley isn't exactly the smartest thing to do...
Bring in Bairstow, Johnson will ruin him.
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BringbackKP time?
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Hazlewood destroys Anderson's furniture for a duck. 103 all out. First victory at Lords since 2005.
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Bowled out for 103 in 37 overs on an apprent flat deck.
Better to judge a pitch after both sides have batted
Day 5 refunds please!
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Hazlewood destroys Anderson's furniture for a duck. 103 all out. First victory at Lords since 2005.
Well, at least England won the series in 2005 so there is still hope yet.
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So, if England 'smashed' the Aussies by 169 runs in the first match, what do we call this 405 run loss?
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Every player and every team has a bad game..........
And that was the Aussies at Cardiff.
4-1 to aus anyone?
I may seem defeatist after one loss, but with that xi I can't see us winning the ashes.
A few batting changes(both order and personal) needed and probably a better spinner(if we have one, somewhere)
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So, if England 'smashed' the Aussies by 169 runs in the first match, what do we call this 405 run loss?
Humiliation
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England need to look at the batting order and personnel.
Lyth
Ballance
Buttler
Ali
Wood
All are rather average.
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Bowled out for 103 in 37 overs on an apprent flat deck.
Better to judge a pitch after both sides have batted
Day 5 refunds please!
The deck wasn't the problem. It wasn't doing a lot. England playing Johnson was a huge problem. Although it doesn't seem like much, the five mph difference we struggle to cope with.
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I'd go as far as to say Anderson could well be fighting to keep his place...
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I'd go as far as to say Anderson could well be fighting to keep his place...
He'll be praying for a green top at Trent Bridge...
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Some of the members on here would have you believe he's one of, if not the best, test bowlers going around at the moment... But for some reason he's always struggled against the Aussies. 80 wickets at 38 a piece over 26 games is fairly run-of-the-mill. Compare that to Mitchell Johnson's 80 wickets at 24 in just 16 games. Makes Anderson look very average. Just 3 wickets so far this series, all in the first innings at Cardiff. Of all the bowlers, only Stokes has taken less than him.
For me, the only poms who have their places secured for the 3rd test are Root, Captain Cook, Broad and Stokesy. If you go by numbers, I suppose you'd have Ali's 8 wickets and 131 runs in there too, but i'm still not convinced with his role in the team and you'd have to say 75% of his wickets have been gift wrapped.
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Well played Aussie
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The deck wasn't the problem. It wasn't doing a lot. England playing Johnson was a huge problem. Although it doesn't seem like much, the five mph difference we struggle to cope with.
Exactly.
These guys at this level can play bowling at 85mph and there abouts blind folded. Once it gets over 90mph, it gets harder.
Once it is over 90mph and added to that a different line of attack (left armer), it becomes harder again, because you are dealing with things that are different to what you are normally used to.
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Once it is over 90mph and added to that a different line of attack (left armer), it becomes harder again, because you are dealing with things that are different to what you are normally used to.
Did England not know that Aussie had left arm seamers that bowl over 90mph? These guys get paid to train basically 24/7 and you're telling me they aren't 'used to' left arm quick?
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I'm sure they have little difficulty playing the simulator in a net. On a pitch is where it all seems to go wrong...
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Did England not know that Aussie had left arm seamers that bowl over 90mph? These guys get paid to train basically 24/7 and you're telling me they aren't 'used to' left arm quick?
You can practice with a bowling machine set like a left armer cranked up at 95mph.
What the machine cannot replicate is a ball exploding off a length that gets big on you and is zeroing in on your face.
I don't care who you are, that is going to always present a problem.
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bairstow scored another 100 today, get the form guy in for ballance!
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Very true. Seems MJ has proven that even when the English try to dish up a 'lifeless' pitch he can still find life in it. I'd say the only way to combat him would be to produce green seamers so the English bowlers have a hope of taking wickets!
Should be a very entertaining third test.
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Very true. Seems MJ has proven that even when the English try to dish up a 'lifeless' pitch he can still find life in it. I'd say the only way to combat him would be to produce green seamers so the English bowlers have a hope of taking wickets!
Should be a very entertaining third test.
Cook asked for a green-top at Edgbaston at the presentations. So, you can bet that what Cook wants, Cook gets.
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Blow away in this game well done Australia can't grumble.
Lyth looks shot his dropped catch sums him up currently as does Ballance.
Be interesting, listening to the sky commentators there all talking about Ballance and a return for Haddin will Australia change there side time for ENGLAND to maybe a few tweeks.
Good game seen the film gone in 60 seconds this was gone in 60 minutes no other words to describe it really.
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I don't think we'll see much in the way of changes from Aus for the next test.
For England, Lyth and Ballance seem to be struggling with the fear of the Aussie quicks, not getting on to the front foot and bell has no form at all. He appeared jittery at the crease and far from positive.
There is also the question on the bowling. Wood was way down on pace this morning. Is he injured?
Given all of these things, who do you bring in? Has bairstow resolved his technical issues? Who should open with Cook? Is Footit good enough for England?
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On wood, he has ankle issues and needs to be rested.
You can't drop 3 of the top 4 at most one.
What I would do is bring in Barstow at 7 and keep. Put root at 3, buttler at 4 and bell at 5.
Drop ballance and lyth and bring in Hales. With a license to take these guys on.
The Barstow technical issues was a myth, like Hales, he played one bad shot and was labelled.
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On wood, he has ankle issues and needs to be rested.
You can't drop 3 of the top 4 at most one.
What I would do is bring in Barstow at 7 and keep. Put root at 3, buttler at 4 and bell at 5.
Drop ballance and lyth and bring in Hales. With a license to take these guys on.
The Barstow technical issues was a myth, like Hales, he played one bad shot and was labelled.
Buttler at 4? He's a limited overs slogger with a terrible technique. He'll be even more of a liability up the order.
Bairstow is a decent batsman against medium pace. Australia won't be serving up much of that.
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I think everyone is panicking a bit of I'm honest. How many people were calling for changes this time last week? Australia outplayed England over 3 and a bit days, embarrassing yes but to be expected from a relatively young side who will have their ups and downs. Bell's form is a worry but other than bairstow no-one is really knocking on the door.
Please fellow England fans, remember this isn't football
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On wood, he has ankle issues and needs to be rested.
You can't drop 3 of the top 4 at most one.
What I would do is bring in Barstow at 7 and keep. Put root at 3, buttler at 4 and bell at 5.
Drop ballance and lyth and bring in Hales. With a license to take these guys on.
The Barstow technical issues was a myth, like Hales, he played one bad shot and was labelled.
Buzz have you been on the sauce in the sun today? Buttler at 4 in test cricket seems very generous. Get yourself a coffee mate :-)
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Buttler is better and more talented than anyone realises. He needs to be given a role and to show his talent.
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Congratulations Australia - you boys gave us one hell of a beating. You're looking menacing, but thankfully it's still 1-1.
On that note, I think it's not panicking to change at least 2 batters who seem woefully out of nick and confidence - we have a series to win here. As much as I am not a Bell fan, I would keep him in and swap out Lyth and Ballance. Compton to open anyone?
If Wood is not fully fit, then he;s out - but don't try and replicate the Aussies by bringing in left-field Footitt. Just pick the next guy off the rank who's in form. I wouldn't mind Brooks getting a shout.
Oh, for a decent spinner - I do fear for Ali long-term. Come on you young English tweakers, there' a place to be had!
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I'm a member of a Kent supporters group on Facebook and whilst they talk tripe at the best of times there is a thread going of genuine opinion that James tredwell should get a recall......
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I think everyone is panicking a bit of I'm honest. How many people were calling for changes this time last week? Australia outplayed England over 3 and a bit days, embarrassing yes but to be expected from a relatively young side who will have their ups and downs. Bell's form is a worry but other than bairstow no-one is really knocking on the door.
Please fellow England fans, remember this isn't football
Me.
See:https://collythorpe.wordpress.com/2015/07/15/ashes-panel-005-my-lords-poetry-and-positions-regrets-and-decisions/
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agree with Buzz here , we need to bring buttler up the order , drop lyth and bell and make our order look more like this.
Hales
Cook
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Stokes
Buttler wk
Ali/Rashid?
Broad
Another Bowler
Anderson
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agree with Buzz here , we need to bring buttler up the order , drop lyth and bell and make our order look more like this.
Hales
Cook
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Stokes
Buttler wk
Ali/Rashid?
Broad
Another Bowler
Anderson
So you're bringing Buttler up the order by keeping him at 7?
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Yes well done the aussies first up,quite why we are playing them on pitches that nulify(spellcheck alert) is something of a mystery to me.the mollycoddled english batsmen need to get in with it on green pitches that move sideways-this is england for heavens sake not mumbai.
Do you guys seriously expect someone likes Hales to come in and start smacking high quality bowling around the park?
Its not going to happen in test matches!
bell,love watching him in form but im afraid time could be up-get bairstow in
And pointing is right move root to 3,too easy down away from the new ball in comfort city.
Lyth must be given another chance too.
Someone mentioned Compton-good point,harshly treated.heres another name -Carberry...what exactly did he do wrong? He's mid thirties,so what?
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I meant nulify our bowlers on wickets woth nothing in them obviously :)
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So you're bringing Buttler up the order by keeping him at 7?
Yeah , noticed that after I did the order. So much talent in the order with Stokes , Buttler , Ali , Bairstow and Root but we need some specialist batsman with both Moeen and Stokes bowling and Jos keeping.
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Given where root has been combo in recently, 3 or 5 makes little difference....
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James Taylor on 163 no vs Sussex (I think) at the moment. Hales got 3.
Dont really know either form this season though.
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Great win by the Aussies after their showing in the first test. Will be interesting to see what type of wicket is dished up for the 3rd test.
The Aussies might be forced to make a change with Rogers suffering what could be a delayed concussion after getting struck in the 1st innings. 3 head knocks in the past year with headaches and dizzyness, hope the bloke is going to be ok in the longterm.
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Interesting: http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes/the-ashes-2015-steve-smiths-stunning-form-ranks-him-alongside-the-greats-20150719-gifyq4.html (http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes/the-ashes-2015-steve-smiths-stunning-form-ranks-him-alongside-the-greats-20150719-gifyq4.html)
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Interesting: [url]http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes/the-ashes-2015-steve-smiths-stunning-form-ranks-him-alongside-the-greats-20150719-gifyq4.html[/url] ([url]http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes/the-ashes-2015-steve-smiths-stunning-form-ranks-him-alongside-the-greats-20150719-gifyq4.html[/url])
But can he play in english conditions? :D :D :D
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They won't drop Lyth. Yet. They won't drop Bell, as the next game's in his own yard. I think they will drop Ballance. It's not time for fantasy cricket yet. I reckon it will be;
Lyth
Cook
Bell
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson
Bell's in the last chance saloon, there are rumours that he's going to retire from Tests, perhaps after South Africa, maybe that's on his mind. I think he's lost at 4. I'd tell him to be the main man at 3, big him up, give him the responsibility and the position he always wanted. Two tests to make a score, if not, we look to the future in the 5th test.
Lyth will probably have two more tests to make a score OR stop making the same mistakes and doing his best Robson Green impression outside off. Ballance I agree with Bob Willis (?!?!), he's not going to make a run with that technique, which needs much more work than Bell's does.
If Edgbaston turns, give Rashid a go as well, but I don;t think you can totally blame the English bowlers, who had a track at Lord's that didn't play to their strengths. Yes Australia got more out of it, but they have better bowlers, we know that. But ours aren't as bad as the figures show.
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If Edgbaston turns, give Rashid a go as well, but I don;t think you can totally blame the English bowlers, who had a track at Lord's that didn't play to their strengths. Yes Australia got more out of it, but they have better bowlers, we know that. But ours aren't as bad as the figures show.
They have different bowlers. On a pitch which does nothing, our bowlers don't cause the batsmen to have to do anything, and Aussies bowlers are that little bit quicker so can still just use pace as a weapon.
If the ball seams and/or swings, our bowlers are in a different position. If Mark Wood is injured, then expect someone else to play in that role...
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They have different bowlers. On a pitch which does nothing, our bowlers don't cause the batsmen to have to do anything, and Aussies bowlers are that little bit quicker so can still just use pace as a weapon.
If the ball seams and/or swings, our bowlers are in a different position. If Mark Wood is injured, then expect someone else to play in that role...
Completely agree - I guess that's why pundits are looking at Trent Bridge as a good one for England. I'd much rather bank on seaming pitches in the hope that English batsman are used to those conditions...
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How about Daryl Mitchell to come in and open?
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Where do you start after a performance like that?
Lyth - Struggling to justify his selection, at no point has he shown any ability to be an opening batsmen. By far the worst opener in the last 10 years, sorry but he is a joke.
Cook - A rubbish shot on 94 and an awful shot on 11, showing grit at the moment but is that really enough in an Ashes series?
Ballance - If he stood any deeper in his crease he would be part of the slip cordon. Averages are all well and good when you play crap teams for 9 months of the year, but not that great when you average about 5 in an Ashes series.
Bell - Poor Bell, how often have we seen it? Will probably put on 200 at Edgbaston and all will be forgotten.
Root - "Super Root", unfortunately someone has to carry the England team and if you can only do it once then that isnt good enough. Got a horrible ball second innings but by then it was too late anyway.
Stokes - Village! Just get hit by the ball and take it like the hardman you like to be seen as. Needs to be told he isn't Flintoff.
Buttler - Best of a bad bunch? But who can replace him? Bairstow can bat but can he keep for 5 days?
Ali - An opening bat hiding down at number 8 and throwing down part time off spin. Steve Smith doing the same but batting at 3 and scoring tons.
Broad - As expected to be honest.
Wood - A really nice bowler, cant understand him being slated for not hitting runs. If you are expecting your number 10 to score runs then you are either Australian or playing in Div 15
Anderson - Enjoy your retirement Jimmy. George Bailey showed you up last year and you have never really recovered. Go enjoy your garden with Swann.
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The three batsmen people are talking about.
Lyth has shown, once, that he can do it. Just a shame he has struggled 7 other times. Probably got a couple of games left, tops. Will be a top, top, opener if he can get into the rhythm that he had a county level for last couple of years.
Ballance has the quality of he can get back to knowing where his off stump is. Needs to work on the technique but has shown that he can do it.
Bell is really struggling for confidence.
Who comes in?
Bairstow is out in front on form at the moment, but a number 5-6 where England need a top 3 batsman.
Hales has been batting 3 for Notts, but could potentially open. I'd rather see him come in against a "weaker" bowling line up before being up against the Aussies, however, maybe the fresh rawness might help.
Back to Compton? Hmm. Not sure but not the worst idea.
Hildreth and Taylor also doing ok.
Lyth/Hales
Cook
Bell
Root
Ballance/Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Broad
Wood/Plunkett
Anderson
I really cannot see them changing anything, possibly giving it one more test? I'm looking forward to seeing if they add anyone to the next test squad.
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What would Taylor be like in the team? I was impressed with what I saw.
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Well, he would have to be careful not to be mistaken for being the mascot.
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Bairstow to replace Ballance in the squad for the third test according to SSN.
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Well, he would have to be careful not to be mistaken for being the mascot.
not sure that's very politically correct but must be handy as his kit would be cheaper as a colt
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Bairstow to replace Ballance in the squad for the third test according to SSN.
It is good to see, Bairstow has been on fire lately - deserves his chance!
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Bairstow to replace Ballance in the squad for the third test according to SSN.
Bairstow should be in but some commentators going overboard on Ballance, he must be the latest scapegoat in the merry go round.
It must be a close call with Bell for that spot in the team.
Gawd knows i'm not an expert on batting but Ballance seems to have an easily correctable fault, he needs to get his weight forward not back.
There's a mark ramprakash video on stance on you tube I found very helpful to my own batting, not that's it's cured everything but it's helped.
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I bet the Aussie's cant wait to get back in to Bairstow again. They worked him out last time they will work him out again.
Taylor really struggled in the Test arena when most teams just bowled short at him.
Before anyone thinks I am just a negative nelly, I am probably the first person who wants to see the team return to the form of 05. Unfortunately I have learnt to become a realist and what I don't want to see is pointless changes that make no difference whatsoever.
Hopefully Bairstow can succeed this time. But time will tell.
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Bairstow is a far better player now than when he played before,he got runs against a good SA side, come unstuck a bit against high pace against the Windies if I recall.
as for '05, remember it, treasure it as I doubt a series as good as that will ever happen again.
I was sat infront of the telly watching every ball of the Edgbaston test, when we won with 3 runs to go(or was it 2) I cried
My wife said to me, ''I don't understand why youre crying England have won''
Women just don't under stand sport do they? :)
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I like that Bairstow is in. Will be nice to see what the lad can do when he's had 3 months of solid cricket in him as opposed to 18 months of carrying water bottles all around the world.
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confirmation also that Bell is at 3.
So the team will be
Cook, Lyth, Bell, Roooooot, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Broad, Finn and Anderson (assuming that Wood is not fit/rested)
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confirmation also that Bell is at 3.
So the team will be
Cook, Lyth, Bell, Roooooot, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Broad, Finn and Anderson (assuming that Wood is not fit/rested)
Never learn. Bell scores runs at 5 and 6. The higher he bats the worse his average gets. Root has a test ton opening and while the same might be true of batting up the order, who looks more likely to score runs at 3, Bell or Root?
Bottled it with Lyth, 1 knock over 30 in 8 innings (albeit it a ton) isn't a good enough conversion rate. That starts the chain reaction with Ballance/Bell - essentially going in too early. Especially when Ballance is a converted number 5. Dare I say it but blocker Compton would be worth a punt if he can grind it for 25-30 overs. At least knock some shine off the new ball.The biggest problem at the moment is the lack of credible options at 2 and 3. Moral of Lords is if you can't set a platform you can't expect others to bail you out all the time.
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Never learn. Bell scores runs at 5 and 6. The higher he bats the worse his average gets. Root has a test ton opening and while the same might be true of batting up the order, who looks more likely to score runs at 3, Bell or Root?
Bottled it with Lyth, 1 knock over 30 in 8 innings (albeit it a ton) isn't a good enough conversion rate. That starts the chain reaction with Ballance/Bell - essentially going in too early. Especially when Ballance is a converted number 5. Dare I say it but blocker Compton would be worth a punt if he can grind it for 25-30 overs. At least knock some shine off the new ball.The biggest problem at the moment is the lack of credible options at 2 and 3. Moral of Lords is if you can't set a platform you can't expect others to bail you out all the time.
Well said.
This ain't the vicarage 3rd 11, you need proper openers. Hav'nt heard any reasonable explaination from England or any of the 'experts' why Compton or Carberry were not given a long run.Apart from the rumours Compton is a bit up himself...which is just a rubbish side-issue.
I've been watching cricket a long time(very long time) and I could count on one hand an opener who went out there and thumped it. Wayne Larkins possibly...for those old enough to remember.
At test level it just does not happen.You need technique,guts and a lot of patience.
Both Carberry and Compton have that.
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except the last time he batted at 3 he scored 221 - but why let a fact get in the way of a good story.
The reality is that Ballance has to be dropped. Bairstow has smashed the door down with weight of runs to be selected so you need to rejig the order as you need a 3.
Root refuses to do it - which is rubbish. Who is left, Moeen? I don't think so. So Bell it is.
I would love to have Hales in the team, but he isn't scoring runs at the moment.
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Well said.
This ain't the vicarage 3rd 11, you need proper openers. Hav'nt heard any reasonable explaination from England or any of the 'experts' why Compton or Carberry were not given a long run.Apart from the rumours Compton is a bit up himself...which is just a rubbish side-issue.
I've been watching cricket a long time(very long time) and I could count on one hand an opener who went out there and thumped it. Wayne Larkins possibly...for those old enough to remember.
At test level it just does not happen.You need technique,guts and a lot of patience.
Both Carberry and Compton have that.
Lyth has done well at opening for the past 2-3 years at CC level and deserves his chance.
Neither Compton or Carberry set the world on fire when they had their chance, so they need to wait till it's their turn again as they are not ripping the CC apart.
The fact that there is 3 struggling in the top five highlights this exponentially and they can only really make one change, which this time is Ballance.
Maybe if Bell/Lyth fail again, they will be looked at next time.
An opener who gives it a thump ...? How about David Warner. He seems to do ok opening.
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I'm not saying it's not worth looking at the line up this closely, but in my mind there's a much bigger culprit in this series - the pitches!
Give us something with some life in it and perhaps our world class seamers can do their job properly, and we might see how well our batsmen do without 500+ on the board and having spent two days looking at Steve Smith's boring face.
Added to that: that the reason we supposedly want to play on dead pitches is no one in the country believes any of our batsmen have the nouce to stand up to Johnson? It's a pathetic approach to competetive sport and I'm sure the english top order are insulted by having to go along with it.
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Lyth has done well at opening for the past 2-3 years at CC level and deserves his chance.
Neither Compton or Carberry set the world on fire when they had their chance, so they need to wait till it's their turn again as they are not ripping the CC apart.
The fact that there is 3 struggling in the top five highlights this exponentially and they can only really make one change, which this time is Ballance.
Maybe if Bell/Lyth fail again, they will be looked at next time.
An opener who gives it a thump ...? How about David Warner. He seems to do ok opening.
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Yes fine, Warner does indeed.He's Australian, look around the world these players at the top are few and far between who really can put bat to a new ball against quality bowling-and the Aussies are quality.
It depends what you want from your top three.....solid or batting 2020 style. I think it's unrealistic to expect fireworks up top. And do you really honestly believe that both Carberry and Compton got a fair crack or the whip?
If you look at the last tour of Australia on quick tracks Carberry actually looked fine, no massive scores yes agree with you,but still decent scores. And Compton got dropped(allegedly) for not scoring quick enough.
I just can't see how that makes any sense.....We (England) will not be able to cope with the Aussies quicks if our openers and number three and folding and exposing the middle order.
As for Lyth, I'm glad he got his chance, he should of had 3 matches in the Caribbean before the NZ series, playing Trott out of position was just stupid.He should get a decent chance.
As I posted earlier, if I was Ian Bell(i'm a big fan) I would be thinking I have been very lucky to stay in the side at the expense of Ballance...
just my two penneth worth. :)
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except the last time he batted at 3 he scored 221 - but why let a fact get in the way of a good story.
Or even 235. He averages nearly 9 runs more at 5 and 20 more at 6. Why let facts get in the way!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_Y7uUUAkF9dsi1uy__YLI1OOjQGAL35h1Ppybm4tDqB3=w668-h294-no)
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Don't bat him at 8 chaps!
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Or even 235. He averages nearly 9 runs more at 5 and 20 more at 6. Why let facts get in the way!
So Stokes at three to acommadate him?
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Or even 235. He averages nearly 9 runs more at 5 and 20 more at 6. Why let facts get in the way!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_Y7uUUAkF9dsi1uy__YLI1OOjQGAL35h1Ppybm4tDqB3=w668-h294-no)
Seems similar to Michael Clarke. Why clarke is batting at 4 baffles me.
Runs HS Ave
3rd position 25 25 @12.50
4th position 1717 187 @31.79
5th position 5936 329* @61.83
6th position 829 151 @48.76
7th position 78 39* @78.00
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So Stokes at three to acommadate him?
I would go Root at 3, Bairstow 4 based on the current selection. Root on the other hand is/was an opening batsman and the adjustment should be easier. I think as good as Bell is technically, he doesn't had the technique or mentality of a number 3. Lovely middle order technician but not a huge stride into the ball or good against the short ball particularly. Would you really want Bell in at 5-1 or Root?
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huge stride to the ball is the most over-rated thing in batting.
In fact a big stride gets in the way of playing a proper cricket shot with the ball under your eyes and just opens you up to being LBW.
I wont have any more of a rant on this subject here at this point...!! >:(
Oh and Stokes any higher than 6 is a poor plan too.
give Buttler a chance to show just how brilliant he is.
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Root please Mr Saunders...Bell might have the best technique of any English batsman as far as most of us can remember
But you could well argue it's easier to be technically correct away from the new ball simply because there's not so much movement.
And anyway, how much does technique get you runs? Steve Smith? it's not how it's how many said Goochie.
For my money when KP got dropped/sacked/stitched up(whichever take on it you want) Bell should of said 'right Trotties gone, KP gone, i'm moving up to number 3 please Mr Moores...
but that didn't happen, plus he lost the vice captaincy to Root as well.
I can see Ballance working on his faults at Yorkshire and coming back in place of Bell.
And Ballance was batting out of position for England....why was that?
Would you not think a senior player would move to accommodate him where he bats for Yorkshire?
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huge stride to the ball is the most over-rated thing in batting.
In fact a big stride gets in the way of playing a proper cricket shot with the ball under your eyes and just opens you up to being LBW.
I wont have any more of a rant on this subject here at this point...!! >:(
Oh and Stokes any higher than 6 is a poor plan too.
give Buttler a chance to show just how brilliant he is.
small stride to shift the weight forward is all that's required, correct Buzz? anything larger and you can overbalance...is that it?
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small stride to shift the weight forward is all that's required, correct Buzz? anything larger and you can overbalance...is that it?
pretty much.
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTe_3TFtDE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTe_3TFtDE)
what I like about this video is it really shows his grip which is something that makes a big difference too.
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I think England are paying somewhat for Moores random thinking and some weak oppo last summer (India's bowling mainly). Had Farbrace not stepped in then Stokes would of been 8 from what has been implied on the forum. Again, Mark Wood in once Moores had left, makes you wonder why he didn't get a gig in the Windies. Would of made much more sense last summer to have re-introduced Root at 3, Ballance 4, Bell 5 (or vice versa). As well as Ballance did initially at 3 this summer was always the test. Robson never really got going, Trott shuffled in and out sabotaging Lyth in the process. Add in Moores ODI captaincy change after SL and it does just smack of somebody who knew where the talent was but didn't know how to best use it.
@Buzz - Bell's dismissal in the first innings highlights the problem. He barely got any stride in and didn't play with a straight bat. Can't help thinking Root/Cook would of held the bat straight or got an outside edge at least and got to the pitch. Good ball, yes, but it's the kind of delivery you hope a top order bat could deal with.
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Nick - I think you may be confusing playing down the wrong line with getting a stride in. Bell is out of form and sort on confidence (which is rubbish for such an experienced player) his issues are all in his mind.
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pretty much.
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTe_3TFtDE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTe_3TFtDE)
what I like about this video is it really shows his grip which is something that makes a big difference too.
That's what I call a proper stride and I don't think Bell get's that far forward initially.
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Nick - I think you may be confusing playing down the wrong line with getting a stride in. Bell is out of form and sort on confidence (which is rubbish for such an experienced player) his issues are all in his mind.
Maybe and without another look at the video I can't be certain but if he is batting 3 he has to deal with that ball, Root I think would at the moment.
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Root should man up and bat at 3. It is the best place to bat anyway. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to bat there - especially if you are in your prime as a batsman and in form.
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good video link Buzz, from side on you can see where the head is with too big a stride.Having average 7, yes 7, in the first half of this season and lost my spot at the top of the order I've gone back to a small stride and bended knees(I was standing bolt upright) it's def helped and starting to get some form back-slowly). Long road back to open again but now on my way-thanks to the forum for the tips too-all very helpful
100 per cent agree about Root, if you consider yourself a proper batsman get up the order and take what comes, some days it works some days it don't.
Bell was trying to hit a ball on off stump(-going away) thru mid on or mid wicket.
Buzz when you say Bell's confidence problems are rubbish what exactly do you mean? your're saying he has all the gifts and not the mental application to be a really top top player and battle thru
is that what you mean?
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I mean as a 33 year old who has played 100 test matches batting becomes less about confidence - my experience is that confidence is less of a deal for me now I am in my mid 30's than it was in my mid 20's as I have 25+ years of playing under my belt.
Bell has experienced success and failure in all sorts of conditions all around the world. At some point in a batters career your experience should counter your need for confidence. You can absolutely now see this with Cook.
I don't understand why a player with the talent of Bell hasn't got there yet.
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I mean as a 33 year old who has played 100 test matches batting becomes less about confidence - my experience is that confidence is less of a deal for me now I am in my mid 30's than it was in my mid 20's as I have 25+ years of playing under my belt.
Bell has experienced success and failure in all sorts of conditions all around the world. At some point in a batters career your experience should counter your need for confidence. You can absolutely now see this with Cook.
I don't understand why a player with the talent of Bell hasn't got their yet.
Because he is mentally weak. If he had half the heart of Cook or Collingwood with his technique he'd be going down as a great of the game. He has never scored 'tough runs' consistently, I've said it before and I'll say it again, when then the curtain comes down on his career he'll be forgotten before long.
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Because he is mentally weak. If he had half the heart of Cook or Collingwood with his technique he'd be going down as a great of the game. He has never scored 'tough runs' consistently, I've said it before and I'll say it again, when then the curtain comes down on his career he'll be forgotten before long.
you may well be proved right, averaging 43 odd today is not really enough,and a lot us fans (well I was) were happy to see Cook battle thru to get his game back in order.Colly is a legend-there can't a been a player in recent memory who guts it out more often when we needed it, and made the most of the ability he had.
Maybe for some batsmen the game comes too easily,and they just don't know what it's like to battle for runs.
Thorpe was one I loved watching,it was almost like he was in a fight sometimes the way he took on the bowlers and would not back down.
Bell may end up compared to Ramprakash down the line.
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Bell may end up compared to Ramprakash down the line.
A statement I was about to make!
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Bell may end up compared to Ramprakash down the line.
On the surface it looks like an odd comparison when one has averaged 43 over 112 tests and the other 27 over 52. But Bell's been very sympathetically treated by the selectors and played in a batsman-friendly era. Perhaps if Ramps had started his career 10 years later (and been 10 years younger) he'd have done much better than Bell.
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A statement I was about to make!
Yeah great minds and all that Tim :)
Have to say all the years ive been watching England how Ramprakash did not become one of our best ever Test batsmen I still can't really believe.He's the most gifted(English) player I've seen.
It does however, prove the old saying that batting more than anything is done in the head.
Whether Ramps or Hick would of fulfilled their potential under the 'new' style management where players get a decent run we will never know the answer to
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Root should man up and bat at 3. It is the best place to bat anyway. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to bat there - especially if you are in your prime as a batsman and in form.
Root should man up or the selectors and captain should man up and bat him there?
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On the surface it looks like an odd comparison when one has averaged 43 over 112 tests and the other 27 over 52. But Bell's been very sympathetically treated by the selectors and played in a batsman-friendly era. Perhaps if Ramps had started his career 10 years later (and been 10 years younger) he'd have done much better than Bell.
just posted that at the same time as you Felix. I've wondered the exact same thing many times.Ramps faced the best bowlers and got shunted up and down the order,dropped and recalled many times.
No one can say what would of happened, my gut feeling personally is averaging 27 then is about 35 ish now....and he probably would of been more successful now if backed to the hilt like some other players.
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Ramps/Hick played on decent tracks and not much different from now. Apart from the odd stupid attempt to doctor wickets - Edgbaston v Windies for example - most were still good for batting. Big difference was the strength of the bowling the Windies/Pakistan/Australia/SA had in this era. That said they didn't set the world alight against India/NZ/SL either and I suspect they would of infuriated us as much now as then!
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Ramps/Hick played on decent tracks and not much different from now. Apart from the odd stupid attempt to doctor wickets - Edgbaston v Windies for example - most were still good for batting. Big difference was the strength of the bowling the Windies/Pakistan/Australia/SA had in this era. That said they didn't set the world alight against India/NZ/SL either and I suspect they would of infuriated us as much now as then!
Agree but I think the bigger difference is probably in the consistency of selection now (sometimes to a fault). I used to be a huge Hick fan, but he was evidently a bit of a sensitive soul and some of his treatment in the Illingworth era was pretty harsh and probably left its scars. I think Bell would have sunk without trace in that era.
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Hick went through a period in the middle of his career when he averaged 40 and did pretty well - when Athers was captain (don't mention that declaration though.)
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Whilst I agree that Bells time has, or is about to, come, but I can't understand this repeated argument that he hasn't scored runs when needed. This argument is illogical, nonsensical and used to make an argument. This is the man who won the Ashes the last time the series was on English soil.
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Whilst I agree that Bells time has, or is about to, come, but I can't understand this repeated argument that he hasn't scored runs when needed. This argument is illogical, nonsensical and used to make an argument. This is the man who won the Ashes the last time the series was on English soil.
Firstly, the Aussies were in turmoil for that series.
Secondly, he scored a lot of runs and had a good series yes, but have a look at some of the scorecards. Mostly he came in when there were already runs on the board. To say he won the series is over exaggerating.
Thirdly, how many series has that happened in his 10 years as an England player?
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To be honest, at this point, the past should be left where it is. He is in the last chance saloon, at number 3. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, he's out and we can stop carping about it. I'm not sure who will replace him when that happens. Anyone else got any ideas?
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I predict Bell to score a big hundred next test
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I predict Bell to score a big hundred next test
There's the mockers right there!
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I predict Bell to score a big hundred next test
Are they going to let him bowl?
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I think people are rather tough on Ian Bell, myself included.
However, what you have to look at is he is the main stay in that England batting line up for the last 10 years or so. Whilst others were being replaced left, right and centre. Bell has held that position and has often proved the doubters wrong.
He also has had a really tough career having been made the scapegoat many times for the failures of the England team.
Even though there were runs on the board, Bell often batted the opposition out the game and usually at a good rate.
What I can't understand is why no one is moaning about Moeen Ali, batting at 8 as an opener is criminal. He is a part time bowler, not a front line spinner who can bat a bit. His only saving grace is that England have the longest batting line up in Test cricket. YET... we still struggle to put 400 on the board.
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There's the mockers right there!
I'll try anything ;)
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Firstly, the Aussies were in turmoil for that series.
Secondly, he scored a lot of runs and had a good series yes, but have a look at some of the scorecards. Mostly he came in when there were already runs on the board. To say he won the series is over exaggerating.
Thirdly, how many series has that happened in his 10 years as an England player?
But do you need every player to be a match winner? It'd be good, yeah, but in comparison the Ballance and the like, although Bell's count of match-changing innings doesn't add up to much, he's more consistent. "Most of his big scores come when there's already runs on the board" isn't there still a place for someone who does that at number 4?
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But do you need every player to be a match winner? It'd be good, yeah, but in comparison the Ballance and the like, although Bell's count of match-changing innings doesn't add up to much, he's more consistent. "Most of his big scores come when there's already runs on the board" isn't there still a place for someone who does that at number 4?
You don't need every player to be a match winner, but you do need them to be able to last more than a dozen deliveries when you're under the cosh every once in a while. I'm not pinning all England's woes on him, but he has rarely stood up to be counted when required of him.
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Interesting feature here. Since the start of 2012 (so including his 2013 ashes contribution), Bell's average is the 2nd lowest of all regular top 6 batsmen, 27th in a list of 28. Only Watson is lower and he has a few wickets so just about counts as an allrounder. Not too impressive when you look at it that way.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/902675.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/902675.html)
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Stats have a funny way of miss representing a player.
Yes he has had a lot of failures, but also has had a few match winning innings in that.
In addition, I doubt any of the England top order look that great after the Ashes down under last time round.
I think we are seeing the eng of Ian Bell's career and the media are really cashing in as they never liked him
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I reckon if the openers can see see off the new ball And bat for a couple of hours England's 3 4 and 5 will do okay. Unlike Lords pretty
certain Edgebaston won't be a win the toss bat first and win the game pitch.
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Stats have a funny way of miss representing a player.
Yes he has had a lot of failures, but also has had a few match winning innings in that.
In addition, I doubt any of the England top order look that great after the Ashes down under last time round.
I think we are seeing the eng of Ian Bell's career and the media are really cashing in as they never liked him
I thought it was quite a balanced article, pointing out that up to the end of 2011 it looked like he was on the verge of greatness and even acknowledging he'd made tough runs against SA in 2009-10, but he's gone steadily downhill since then. True there were one or two England bats not too far above him in the list.