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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Ashes 2015 => Topic started by: Alvaro on July 24, 2015, 12:29:54 PM
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So, will the Australian juggernaut roll on, all machismo, speed and questionable facial fungus or will the English sacrifice Gary Ballance in order to evoke 2005 and that comfortable 2-run win, thus defending the honour of passive aggressive queuers everywhere across this decrepit isle?
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I have a sneaky feeling that England will play their way back into a series lead, but I am pretty sure the Aussies are going to win and win well.
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It's hard to say isn't it?
I would love the job of rolling cricket ball around the outfield during the warmups hoping to 'McGrath' Mutchull Johnson...
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So would you change the team?
Personally I think the batsmen/bowler balance is correct, on paper we bat a long way down, however I can't help agreeing with the pundits in thinking that England may need to reshuffle the batting order or actually bring in some new faces.
I'd start by putting Root at number 3 and either dropping Balnce or moving him down to 5.
It would also help to start preparing pitches that helped our attack, if not then bowl fuller for starters!
What would you do?
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well it's too late now but I would bat root and balance where they bat for Yorkshire. positions 1,2 and 3 I consider the same. ie an opener could bat 3 easily,but no further down.
I've just read an old article on line by Andrew gale saying Root did not get a fair crack of the whip opening and he has done that role for Yorkshire since he was 13.
I'ts all a bit ironic if you ask me now Ballance has been dropped and Bell has hung on but now promoted to number 3.
should Lyth and Bell fail in this next match i'm not sure what I would do.I would stick with Lyth a bit longer
But ultimately I think Root should bat 3. If you are a proper batsman(he def is) that's the position he should bat......
Once that position is right the order should be easier to sort out.
I would have Ballance back very quickly and get him working on his technical fault
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Stating the obvious bit this is huge game in the series. I'd go as far as to say the first day or even first session could go along way to telling us where the ashes will end up.
England have to do something to stop the aussie momentum from the lords thrashing
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first up we need Edgbaston to have something in it for our bowlers.
If we get out-gunned that's how it is, it's Test cricket.
Lords was a disaster.
England are at home,it should be our advantage. We expect to have quick bouncy tracks when in Australia.
We would get no favours over there that's for sure
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Huge test match in terms of the series and as mentioned above for both Bell and Lyth.
Lyth I think will be given the whole series, but if Bell under performs again will he be given the boot? and who would replace him? Taylor?
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Huge test match in terms of the series and as mentioned above for both Bell and Lyth.
Lyth I think will be given the whole series, but if Bell under performs again will he be given the boot? and who would replace him? Taylor?
That's a toughie.start making too many changes and it reeks of panic.
taylor....we dont really know if he has the class-and do you find that out in the middle ofcthe ashes?
If i was a selector i would move root to 3,keep bairstow in and recall ballance-yes really!
The other option no one seems to mention on here is moving ali up,he bats 3 for worcs and has test experience...
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So, will the Australian juggernaut roll on, all machismo, speed and questionable facial fungus
What do u mean by "machismo"? The Aussies aren't macho are they? They're just winners that stand up
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Any CBFers up there on day 1?
Cannot wait for the 6:25-am bus up as the train was daylight robbery for a return to bham!
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Root should be in at 3, he's in the form of his life.
The chopping and changing mid series stinks of England past, we need to be pro active not reactive and that starts with the pitch.
we're very capable of getting thumped in oz, however we need to play to our strengths and that means pitch prep in our favour, also Broad looked fantastic at Cardiff, I'd say he always does when he gives the ball chance to do a little, his height gives him bounce which should be used as a surprise not his stock ball, pitch it up lad!!! We're not doing ourselves any favours at all.
As for the Aussies, well they got exactly what they wanted at Lords in the way of a drubbing, the manor in which they won will give them a huge boost, Lords really should have been a time where we trod a little harder into their reserve, unfortunately we did the opposite, the first two sessions of the 3rd test are going to pivotal to the series IMHO, we can't let them get on top.
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At Edgebaston England could do worse than playing two spinners.
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You have a player in form, in a position where he is performing really really well why move him? Moving him could expose him earlier, unsettle him etc.. England certainly can't afford to have his form dip. Better to risk a bell or such player given they can't buy a run anyway
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After the brainless 2nd innings batting at Lords if England can discover what's between there ears and there legs they can certainly beat Australia at Edgebaston.
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So only being able to take 10 wickets for the match wasn't an issue?
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Well for me it was all about the win the toss bat first win the match Lords wicket plus England's crazy 2nd innings batting.
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At Edgebaston England could do worse than playing two spinners.
If your counting Ali as a spinner then Root surely counts as well. So it could be argued that England has played 2 spinners.
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If your counting Ali as a spinner then Root surely counts as well. So it could be argued that England has played 2 spinners.
Okay i was thinking Adil Rasheed who's a better bowler than both Ali and Root as Edgebaston usually spins on days four and five.
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^^ dont forget Adam Lyth bowled a lovely over of spin in the last test ;) so you could say we've played three spinners...
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^^ dont forget Adam Lyth bowled a lovely over of spin in the last test ;) so you could say we've played three spinners...
Your right and if Rashid plays England could have four...
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swap the lot of them for Swanny. When posts come on here about winning test matches some forget the contribution he made to us being successful.
Shame he couldn't play on until his late 30's and get that elbow fixed properly :)
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swap the lot of them for Swanny. When posts come on here about winning test matches some forget the contribution he made to us being successful.
Shame he couldn't play on until his late 30's and get that elbow fixed properly :)
Without any doubt Swan was a match winner by packing in he has left England with a problem he could bat a bit as well.
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Swann left England in a massive hole due to his unannounced retirement, I think the selectors thought they had him for at least another 3-5 years.
Similar to Trott. Because these players just left England didn't have a back up plan, they didn't have an understudy.
I think mainly because things were too good for England and they got lazy. Through this they failed to produce any new test cricketers.
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we have got decent players in who replaced players like Trott and Kp and Prior.......but...if your talking spin bowling Swann was by far the best English spinner in the 30 years ive been following England.
So real quality is few and far better anyway.You could go back to Edmonds, Embury, Tufnell,Panesar,Such(!)......
but actual match winners don't come along that often.
Spin wise now I couldn't tell you who is the best spinner in the Country right now to be honest... Rashid?
Ali is a part time bowler who hopefully will improve.But there's no way he should be seen as a front line spinner.
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Spin wise now I couldn't tell you who is the best spinner in the Country right now to be honest... Rashid?
Still Monty probably and he's not even playing first class cricket at the moment.
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Jeetan Patel is the best spinner in county cricket at the moment. And he fared 'brilliantly' at Test level...
Ansari has most wickets of English spinners, but he gets to bowl at Leicester. He has one more than Kerrigan.
This list shows who gets you wickets in the CC - honest pie chuckers mainly, the estimable Mark Footitt aside.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=4;host=1;id=2015;type=season (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=4;host=1;id=2015;type=season)
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Monty is playing club cricket at the moment, looks like his first class career could be coming to an end which is a real shame.
Thankfully,for those concerned about the lack of quality spinners coming thru, the T20 comp seems to have worked the opposite some thought-and brought spin back into the game.
Not sure it's going to help 4 day cricket long term but at least spin is not being crushed totally by medium pace wickets that do a bit...
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Do you mean spin or darts?
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ha ha fair point!!
leg stump get's hammered!
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Best of the lot Derek Underwood.
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I see Ian Bell's getting delusional as the hangman's noose continues to hover. With an average that's vastly boosted by many cheap runs again Bangladesh, Bell had the cheek to call himself world class...
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Jeetan Patel is the best spinner in county cricket at the moment. And he fared 'brilliantly' at Test level...
Ansari has most wickets of English spinners, but he gets to bowl at Leicester. He has one more than Kerrigan.
This list shows who gets you wickets in the CC - honest pie chuckers mainly, the estimable Mark Footitt aside.
[url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=4;host=1;id=2015;type=season[/url] ([url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=4;host=1;id=2015;type=season[/url])
Are there any proper good spinners around the world at the moment?
England: Ali
Aussie: Lyon
NZ: Mark Craig
SA: Imran Tahir
WI: Benn et al
SA: Herath
Pakistan: No idea
India: Ashwin, Harbajan?
Probably the best is Herath. No team really has a world class spinner any more. Happy to be proved wrong.
World crickets problem after T20 made spinners dart throwers.
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Pakistan have Yasir Shah. He is awesome.
Given the number of first class players in England, you'd hope for one or two more.
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I see Ian Bell's getting delusional as the hangman's noose continues to hover. With an average that's vastly boosted by many cheap runs again Bangladesh, Bell had the cheek to call himself world class...
I'm a Bell fan,no one(in england) makes batting looks easier or more graceful,and he got a lot of runs last time the Ashes were in the UK-so he has scored against quality bowling
But he's not the main guy to rely on when the team is in trouble like Trott did for many years.
If he gets dropped after this series his average he might end up with similar figures to Mark Waugh who also made batting look easy when in form.
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I see Ian Bell's getting delusional as the hangman's noose continues to hover. With an average that's vastly boosted by many cheap runs again Bangladesh, Bell had the cheek to call himself world class...
Ian Bell has been England's most graceful player for the last ten years some say the most stylist since David Gower.
if The English openers can bat for a couple of hours I reckon Bell will get a score on his own ground he will be well aware that he has never got a test 100 at Edgebaston.
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we have got decent players in who replaced players like Trott and Kp and Prior.......but...if your talking spin bowling Swann was by far the best English spinner in the 30 years ive been following England.
Hugely disagree with the above sentiments.
Ballance for Trott - Both as boring to watch at the crease, however Trott (in his prime) did not appear to have any technical flaws and always appeared to be confident batting at number 3, Ballance on the other hand doesn't appear to know which end of the bat to hold.
Not really sure who you consider to be KP's replacement. I would say the type of player KP was he is incomparable to any of the players in that team.
Buttler for Prior - As much as I like Buttler, personally I don't think he is good enough to wash Prior's kit, let alone be considered his replacement.
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I thought this one would've come up by now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/11765889/Ashes-2015-Will-technique-or-temperament-prove-more-important-for-dynamic-Jonny-Bairstow.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/11765889/Ashes-2015-Will-technique-or-temperament-prove-more-important-for-dynamic-Jonny-Bairstow.html)
Finally, some common sense.
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Hugely disagree with the above sentiments.
Ballance for Trott - Both as boring to watch at the crease, however Trott (in his prime) did not appear to have any technical flaws and always appeared to be confident batting at number 3, Ballance on the other hand doesn't appear to know which end of the bat to hold.
Not really sure who you consider to be KP's replacement. I would say the type of player KP was he is incomparable to any of the players in that team.
Buttler for Prior - As much as I like Buttler, personally I don't think he is good enough to wash Prior's kit, let alone be considered his replacement.
Yes that's the problem with Balance he always looks like you can get him out.
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Yet if you forget Buttler's keeping and give the gloves to Bairstow, then ask Buttler to bat like KP you could go, ok that is possible.
Our batting order is all in a muddle.
I would love to see
Cook, Hales, Root, Buttler, Bell, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali... that is a batting unit to be afraid of. With Davies or Roy to come in for Bell in time.
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Yet if you forget Buttler's keeping and give the gloves to Bairstow, then ask Buttler to bat like KP you could go, ok that is possible.
Our batting order is all in a muddle.
I would love to see
Cook, Hales, Root, Buttler, Bell, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali... that is a batting unit to be afraid of. With Davies or Roy to come in for Bell in time.
As much as I like Hales and hope he does get the test nod at some point, he seems to ahve had a quieter year this year and has also been coming in at 3 (oh, maybe there is a solution to the number three question....). Last year he seemed to be flying, but this year seems alot quieter - much like James Taylor.
infact, i've just looked
Name M I NO R HS BF Min Avge 100 50 4s 6s SR Ct St
Alex Hales (2014) 11 20 1 954 183 1318 1866 50.21 3 4 136 11 72.38 13 0
Alex Hales (2015) 8 14 0 603 236 998 1317 43.07 2 1 94 1 60.42 1 0
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What were Trescothic and Vaughan's numbers when they were picked? What about Paul Collingwood.
What were David Warner's numbers when he was picked.
You can use statistics to say what you want. At some point you say - Hales is good enough and should be picked, in the same way they have with Buttler, Root and Stokes.
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Adam lyth from last year (same categories).
Adam Lyth (2014) 16 23 1 1489 251 2841 3542 67.68 6 6 189 6 52.41 35 0
He really did get in teh team through weight of runs and performace over the championship. Does his limited test run out performance really mean teh above numbers are not still justified and make him worthy of selection.
What do you see in Hales that you don't see in Lyth to suggest hales is a better pick (honest question, I respect your judgement of batters and you know alot more than me!)
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Yet if you forget Buttler's keeping and give the gloves to Bairstow, then ask Buttler to bat like KP you could go, ok that is possible.
Our batting order is all in a muddle.
I would love to see
Cook, Hales, Root, Buttler, Bell, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali... that is a batting unit to be afraid of. With Davies or Roy to come in for Bell in time.
Would the selectors have enough confidence to give Bairstow the gloves long term? Also if he is dropped at some point, which I do hope he isn't then how would that leave for Buttler, he would feel he isn't the best keeper that England have IMO.
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Alex Hales batting style is not suited to opening in test cricket.
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...nope, or Matty Hayden, or Davey Warner, or Virender Sehwag. Filthy sloggers the lot of 'em
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...nope, or Matty Hayden, or Davey Warner, or Virender Sehwag. Filthy sloggers the lot of 'em
Well put like that lets hope Hales gets his Chance and hopefully proves me wrong.
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Anyone think stoneman would be in the running for the opening role?
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Does Luke Wrights name ever get brought up? I've only ever seen him here playing for the Melbourne Stars in the T20. He seems a bit like Warner in a short form player that could change a game in 4 or 5 day cricket.
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haddin out for 3rd test & nevill gets a thumbs up;
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2015/content/story/903833.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2015/content/story/903833.html)
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Does Luke Wrights name ever get brought up? I've only ever seen him here playing for the Melbourne Stars in the T20. He seems a bit like Warner in a short form player that could change a game in 4 or 5 day cricket.
He never managed to get picked for the test side. Most of his performances at county level came in the shorter form of the game and he's never translated what he could do in the short form fully into the longer format.
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I'm not sure that's true Tim, his FC record is good and he regularly scores hundreds. He is, however, leg side dominant and would probably have required his bowling to progress as much as his batting though.
I think he was on the last SA tour but not much else. Face possibly didn't fit either.
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Looks like finn might be playing today
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I would love to see England choose Hales and let him go out with the intention of blasting 50 off the first 10 overs.
That is where England come most under pressure, due to a lack of quick scoring at the start. Yes he will have failures but so does Warner, however, when it comes off it is worth it!
Australia's saving grace is that they have always had a quality number 3 who could probably open. Where as England... well we struggle for 1,2,3 and 4 at the moment.
Luke Wright is a fantastic player (Have to be bias towards my county) however, he has never stepped up when putting on the Lions, he really struggled in the T20 for England and that seemed to be the end of him. He has had a really good year this year but I doubt that his name even gets mentioned.
Maybe the selectors are hesitant to pick him due to his T20 ability and playing across the country's in the various T20 formats.
Not that I am complaining as he is pulling Sussex through a lot of games at present.
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50 of 10 overs would be good as along as has an opener he can bat on and on and on ...
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Delusional people on here if you're comparing a filthy slogger like Alex Hales to proven world class openers in Matthew Hayden, Virender Sehwag and David Warner. The latter three all got selected after having FC averages over 50. Whereas Hales averages mid 30s.
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Yup - but the English will always go back to the fact that Tresco and Vaughan were averaging bugger all when they were plucked from the county scene, and they both went on to have pretty fine careers at Test level.
For me, it's the mettle of the man, not just his stats. Ramps, Hick, Lathwell, Adams, Crawley all had superb statistics and couldn't make the grade.
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Aus win the toss and shall bat! s**t!
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Little bit of cloud cover in Birmingham, could be a good toss to lose for England...
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Covers coming on
A good morning session with the ball needed.
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Little bit of rain now...Anderson will be hoping he can pretend to a world beater in these conditions
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Old warner was snoozing then
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Who's the armband for that Broad is wearing?
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Better start this time. Warner gone. Poor review.
Anderson strikes.
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Who's the armband for that Broad is wearing?
Clive Rice
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Bit of French cricket first up from Steven Smith
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Bit of French cricket first up from Steven Smith
Just how far does he go across his stumps? He was almost standing in front of 1st slip if he had gone much further.
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Just how far does he go across his stumps? He was almost standing in front of 1st slip if he had gone much further.
Can't really complain as it works for him
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Broad and Anderson are looking on song here, hopefully it will be an exciting morning for England fans. A good toss to lose for England
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Chris Rogers has a Masuri lid on today with the two bar grill. Wasn't he in a Shrey last time?
Wonder if he has borrowed it off someone.
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I reckon he went out and got himself one after getting clocked by Anderson in the last test. They were saying in an article I read that he got hit in the same spot as Hughes. I think you'll be seeing Clarke with the stem guard on today as well
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Broad somewhat wasting the new ball. Too short and too far outside off stump. Not making Rogers and Smith play.
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Awful review from Warner, Rogers didn't really help him out there.
Steve Smith always looks jumpy at the start of an innings.
England never seem to have a plan to Smith.
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Steven Finn 'Right Arm Fast'...maybe 3 years ago.
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Steven Finn 'Right Arm Fast'...maybe 3 years ago.
Smith ct Cook b Finn 7
Fast or not fast, still got a HUGE wicket.
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Chris Rogers has a Masuri lid on today with the two bar grill. Wasn't he in a Shrey last time?
Wonder if he has borrowed it off someone.
There's a push from CA for all players to wear masuri.
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I reckon he went out and got himself one after getting clocked by Anderson in the last test. They were saying in an article I read that he got hit in the same spot as Hughes. I think you'll be seeing Clarke with the stem guard on today as well
Stem guard on Clarke @Phoenix
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Big innings needed now from the skipper.
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FINNY!!!!
That is all.
Welcome back young man.
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Poor footwork from Steven Smith, or more to the point no footwork at at all. Chris Rogerd key here. 300-350 would be a good score on this pitch.
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Poor footwork from Steven Smith, or more to the point no footwork at at all. Chris Rogerd key here. 300-350 would be a good score on this pitch.
Will get easier over the next couple of days, then will spin. Lyon will be wanting to get on here day 4/5
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Will get easier over the next couple of days, then will spin. Lyon will be wanting to get on here day 4/5
Pitch will probably get harder. So that will favour Starc and Johnson
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FINNY!!!!
That is all.
Welcome back young man.
Good pace too, up near 90mph. Which when coming down from his height is really sharp
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Nice to see Finn back in the team. And bowling well. Come on England!!!!!:) :)
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end is in sight for Michael Clarke's career. His batting doesn't have it anymore.
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Finn again. Always good to bowl a Yorker or two. Clarke struggled again.
If England can get rid of Rogers then they'll be in the box seat.
Definitely looking a good toss to lose.
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Rogers and Voges with the most experience in English conditions, picked for these kind of conditions, dig in chaps
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Couple more before lunch be nice ;)
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Nice little stat from ESPN:
1 - Number of single-digit scores for Smith in his last 16 inns in the first inns of a Test match. He averages 123 in this period
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end is in sight for Michael Clarke's career. His batting doesn't have it anymore.
Rubbish!
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Rubbish!
12 digs without a Test 50 for Pup...get more Victorians in the side!
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:( :( Boo, rain rain go away! Also, how many ground staff do they have? a veritable army just appeared running those covers on.
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Not surprised it's doing a bit. Last 3 days in the warwickshire area there has been a fair amount of rain and not much sun to dry it off. Looking out the window it looks a nice day to bowl - not very warm, plenty of cloud cover etc. At club level you would be bowling first 9 times out of 10!
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Fantastic start to the day for England, nice to see Finn back :)
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end is in sight for Michael Clarke's career. His batting doesn't have it anymore.
Couldn't agree more, has been struggling for a while now.
I expected him to call it a day when his back last played up.
Just a swan song series for him. Can't see the Aussies sticking with him much longer, they never liked him in the first place.
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I can't understand why we are going to have lunch at 1:00pm.
We have just been off the pitch for half an hour, I am sure the players probably grabbed a banana and a drink.
What is the point in this 25 minute session before lunch?
We will now get nowhere near the 90 overs for the day. Why not take lunch at 1:30 just to get a few overs back and then delay tea slightly.
Yes they can extend the day but not enough to catch up with what we have lost.
Does not making good viewing.
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Couldn't agree more, has been struggling for a while now.
I expected him to call it a day when his back last played up.
Just a swan song series for him. Can't see the Aussies sticking with him much longer, they never liked him in the first place.
if the rumours are true, he is the most unpopular captain out there, whether they are or not who knows but he is hiding a chronic back condition-it must be worse than he says and time is nearly up.
But as an English cricket fan I can appreciate class and he has been an excellent batsmen and a successful Captain.
If he does call it a day recalls for mike hussey and he other left hander ive forgotten his name!! :)
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Katich!
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I can't understand why we are going to have lunch at 1:00pm.
We have just been off the pitch for half an hour, I am sure the players probably grabbed a banana and a drink.
What is the point in this 25 minute session before lunch?
We will now get nowhere near the 90 overs for the day. Why not take lunch at 1:30 just to get a few overs back and then delay tea slightly.
Yes they can extend the day but not enough to catch up with what we have lost.
Does not making good viewing.
Whether you take lunch now or later, you'll still be off the pitch for 40 minutes. Therefore you can either bowl them now or later but you will catch up over the 5 days by extending a number of days.
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Yes, but the time they have lost by going in and out twice in 20 minutes is greater than the time lost if you extended the sessions.
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Good toss to lose so far.
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Keeps getting better, 5 down!
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Birmingham is rocking.
we are on fire.So pleased for Steve Finn-when he gets it right it's awesome
Great morning for bowling first
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Can I shamelessly quote myself from a post I made a week ago for "I told you so" purposes?
I'm not saying it's not worth looking at the line up this closely, but in my mind there's a much bigger culprit in this series - the pitches!
Give us something with some life in it and perhaps our world class seamers can do their job properly, and we might see how well our batsmen do without 500+ on the board and having spent two days looking at Steve Smith's boring face.
Added to that: that the reason we supposedly want to play on dead pitches is no one in the country believes any of our batsmen have the nouce to stand up to Johnson? It's a pathetic approach to competetive sport and I'm sure the english top order are insulted by having to go along with it.
Edit: Post will be redacted should Johnson skittle us for under 50 before 6 o'clock.
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I go and have my haircut at 53/3 and come back and it's 99/7!
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I go and have my haircut at 53/3 and come back and it's 99/7!
Go back in!
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yeah back in a have a bit more off :)
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There's the big one, Rodgers gone!
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we will be batting in a min......
ummmmmmmm.......time to get nervous? :)
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we will be batting in a min......
ummmmmmmm.......time to get nervous? :)
6 mins and 8 seconds later and they're all out,
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Probably best to wait till both sides have batted but good effort knocking them over within 37 overs!
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good to see this pitch is 'doing a bit' thou :o
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Another poor shot from lyth
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I see Cook has gone all Niall O'Brian by sanding down one of the shoulders on his bat
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I see Cook has gone all Niall O'Brian by sanding down one of the shoulders on his bat
Didn't he do that back against New Zealand at Lords?
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Didn't he do that back against New Zealand at Lords?
No idea.You could well be spot on I just hadn't noticed it before today
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I have a feeling that he visited the Gray Nic's stand who sorted it out for him, pretty sure I saw something on Twitter.
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Extremely bad luck for Cook, you've got to feel for him there. Short leg caught it without having seen the ball. He looked to be going well too.
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Definitely had it in the NZ series, may have even had it in WI series? Has had it a while anyway.
Gutted for Cook. Was looking comfortable. Sometimes things like that happen.
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shake hands now and save themselves the effort of the next 3 days, it wont go into day 5 for sure, England 2-1 up already and not even broken sweat since the toss
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Lovely shot from bell to bring up his 50. Some lovely drives shown in the highlights package. Aus bowling too full?
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Spoke too soon re Bell. Don't write them off yet mate, they are a good side. Think over confidence was England's problem in the last test.
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Oh dear! Ian bell!
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Bells get's some runs when we needed it Phew!
well played
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Bit of French cricket first up from Steven Smith
Smith didn't look that regal today did he to be a true great you have to be able to bat on all type of wickets.
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Superb lesson in how to bowl swing and wobble seam from Jimmy
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Smith didn't look that regal today did he to be a true great you have to be able to bat on all type of wickets.
Bit harsh considering it's his first real fail for the series.
1495 runs @ 99.67 from his last 10 Tests in 4 different countries speaks for itself.
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I doubt anyone would call Smith a "great" this early in his career, including Smith himself.
However, you cannot argue with his numbers over the last 2 years, the guy has been a run machine.
Only thing that grinds my gears about Smith is when he waves his bat when saluting the crowd.
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Bit harsh considering it's his first real fail for the series.
1495 runs @ 99.67 from his last 10 Tests in 4 different countries speaks for itself.
Yes but the point is apart from Headingly where he failed we're the wickets in his last 10 tests simular to the first innings track at Lords .
All the best players could bat in any conditions anywhere in the world against all types of bowling Smith should know the ball seams and lswings late in the UK.
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anyone else thinks Yesterday Bell looked in terrific form until he threw it away.
The shot lyth got out to would have been poor at anytime but at the start of the innings against the new ball terrible.
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^ absolutely. Haven't got sky sports so watched the C5 highlights. Any better sight in cricket than an Ian Bell cover drive?
Shows the value of scoreboard pressure (or otherwise) at Lord's - You can say to the contrary all you like, but you know if the oppo bats first and gets 500+ you're done.
This is continuing to be a very good series...
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We've seen it throughout this series though - both sides have tried to get on top of the spinner and smack them out of the attack - Warner at Ali, Bell at Lyon. I'm not sure of the point of this approach though, especially when you're in a position to milk runs.
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^ absolutely. Haven't got sky sports so watched the C5 highlights. Any better sight in cricket than an Ian Bell cover drive?
Shows the value of scoreboard pressure (or otherwise) at Lord's - You can say to the contrary all you like, but you know if the oppo bats first and gets 500+ you're done.
This is continuing to be a very good series...
Quite right Jamie particually when the wicket is a Lords win the toss bat first win the match one.
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He did look in amazing form. Agreed @tim2000s the approach is silly. If your set and scoring well why create extra risk. The game situation did not call for it, it did, however, call for him to keep going to demoralise the Aussie attack.
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Quite right Jamie particually when the wicket is a Lords win the toss bat first win the match one.
We are at home we should play whatever grounds suit us and whatever pitch suits our bowlers, you need 20 wickets to win the batters should be good enough to play on any tracks at home.
When we go to Australia we get the quickest,bounciest pitches and there should be no complaints either way.
Gawd knows what was going on at Lords apart from pleasing the Australians and bat sponsors
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Sounds like a lot more is going on then meets the eye for the Aussies.
Apparently there was a big issue regarding Haddin not being re-called to the team at the players dinner on Tuesday night.
Obviously if the Ausssies haven't turned up in the right mindset they were going to struggle.
However, getting England 3 down last night will give them the confidence boost they needed.
Ian Bell probably did enough to warrant his selection.
Adam Lyth sticking out like a sore thumb at the moment.
Real chance for Bairstow now to cement his place at number 5 for the next 5 years.
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there's a huge family presence with the Aussies all travelling round with them, that's their ethic and rightly so, you cannot expect players to be away so much while the family is at home
So that makes the Haddin decision unusual
He missed Lords for family reasons and therefore should have been back in for this match....
I guess some of the players are wondering if this 'family' ethos is just a load of hot air.
Good to see Warne taking time off from hammering us to hammer his own team over the issue....
I would of thought Haddin should play this match now he is fit to play
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He did look in amazing form. Agreed @tim2000s the approach is silly. If your set and scoring well why create extra risk. The game situation did not call for it, it did, however, call for him to keep going to demoralise the Aussie attack.
Absolutely if Bell had not got himself out the way he was batting he could have put England in an early dominate position to win the match.
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Absolutely if Bell had not got himself out the way he was batting he could have put England in an early dominate position to win the match.
Bell yesterday hammered home how talented he is to make the game look that easy, and how frustrated some of us get watching as he gave his wicket away to Lyon.
However..he scored when we needed it.
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Adam Lyth sticking out like a sore thumb at the moment.
Deserves his chance as has been great for Yorkshire.
Has had a score so shows he can do it at this level.
Even I, as a Yorkshireman, is thinking his time is running out quickly.
Needs to perform in the second innings.
He might have another test or two, especially if England win. He's lucky that there isn't anyone really banging the door down at opener.
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Bell yesterday hammered home how talented he is to make the game look that easy, and how frustrated some of us get watching as he gave his wicket away to Lyon.
However..he scored when we needed it.
Bell going some way to silencing his critics. Would love him as a number 3 as long as he can do it consistently and that would solve one problem with the batting order.
In respect to Lyth, his time is running out. Think he can do it, maybe just nerves/adapting to international cricket because he was so good for the Yorkies.
But who else is out there on the periphery or being considered? Surely not Compton?
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yes deserves a decent run, but got to be honest does not look tight enough to open
What about his opening partner at Yorks, Alex Lees....
highly rated
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Lyth stood out for a very long time as a potential opener for England.
However, I don't think we have seen someone struggle as much as he has in the last 10 years.
He looks to have a serious case of Comptonitus, the ability to score a maiden century on a dead wicket and then struggle the moment the ball starts swinging or moving.
But, as you said, luckily there is no one knowing on the door at the moment.
Amazing to see the fall from grace Carberry has suffered from, batting in every place for Hampshire and really struggling when opening.
Sam Robson disappeared.
Compton has been doing okay.
But nothing is standing out.
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Far out that ball to get Bairstow got big on him in a hurry! :o
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I think everyone saw that coming a mile off.
Except Bairstow :D
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I think Bairstow is changing his underwear about now... He had the look of fear in his eyes walking off... Don't blame him.... It's not county cricket now son!!!
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Hasn't bairstow been out plenty of times against the short ball. Roach did the same thing I'm sure
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Mitchell Johnson fast and furious and the poms need a change of underwear.
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Bang Bang. Mitchell from nowhere!
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Perfect start for the Aussies!
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I think Bairstow is changing his underwear about now... He had the look of fear in his eyes walking off... Don't blame him.... It's not county cricket now son!!!
Glad to be out of there I think haha
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Jonny Bairstow might be able to flog around 130kph medium pacers, but he's got no heart against proper fast bowling.
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Josh Hazlewood has been terrible in conditions where he should be thriving...Australia missing Ryan Harris and James Pattinson badly...
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Duck and weave lads. Keep your eye on the ball though. Don't agree with turning the head.
Lees is a bit young in my opinion. If he keeps doing well then go for it! It would be good to get a young opener to stay there for many years and score runs.
I like Hales but maybe a one day specialist as I know his county champ form isn't great.
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Mitchell Johnson :o :o :o
Time for England to just see off this Johnson spell.
Who said test cricket was boring!
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Jonny Bairstow might be able to flog around 130kph medium pacers, but he's got no heart against proper fast bowling.
I defy any batsmen to play that delivery any different and not get out, thats just a bloody good ball and nothing to do with his technique as was the Stokes delivery
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Root looks in sublime form
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I defy any batsmen to play that delivery any different and not get out, thats just a bloody good ball and nothing to do with his technique as was the Stokes delivery
Drop your hands. Hardly rocket science
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Who said test cricket was boring!
Exactly! My missus started by watching IPL, which she really enjoys, but loves test cricket even more. Think it was the series against NZ that hooked her in.
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Drop your hands. Hardly rocket science
Its a lot easier when on the sofa than when you've got 0.25s to play it.
Sometimes you have to jut admit that the ball was too good for you and that was pure class from Mitch.
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Solid block there from Buttler.
I like a good forward defensive me!
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That kind of bowling gets anyone out.
about as unplayable as it get's whether you are Sir Geoff or Bairstow
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Facing genuine pace is a different kettle of fish and until you face it you don't realise as unless you are sure in your mind what you want to do reflexes take over and your hands naturally go towards the missile aimed at you to protect yourself
not seen the balls as at work but sometimes you just get a good one and this sounds like one of those times
I do think a lot of the English batsmen are not sure if they want to defend or attack though as if they are looking to defend they need to have low hands and be prepared to wear a few like langer used to but I think they are timid when facing genuine pace
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I'd much rather have Peter Siddle than Mitchell Starc at this moment in time...
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come on the Josephs let's have a little partnership here please!!
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Someone needs to tell Starc that this is Test cricket. Bowling a proper line and length will build pressure. Instead of continually trying to bowl the magic ball...
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Loads of people tearing into Bairstow, "Not good enough", "Never be a test cricketer", "found out by the short stuff" etc...
Why's nobody gunning for Stokes? Virtually identical dismissals. Just 2 very good deliveries in my book.
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Loads of people tearing into Bairstow, "Not good enough", "Never be a test cricketer", "found out by the short stuff" etc...
Why's nobody gunning for Stokes? Virtually identical dismissals. Just 2 very good deliveries in my book.
Stokes scored a hundred at Perth so showed he can bat against fast bowling
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Bairstow scored a very gutsy 90 versus a rampant Steyn & co
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Meanwhile Starc doing a very good impression of 2009 Johnson - looks like some serious yips going on
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Starc gets Root. Get Johnson on now to run through the rats and mice.
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Meanwhile Starc doing a very good impression of 2009 Johnson - looks like some serious yips going on
And yet picks up the inform England batsmen bowling wide after wide after wide!
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Whoops. Sorry guys, my fault.
Still a crap ball, but even worse shot
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Bairstow scored a very gutsy 90 versus a rampant Steyn & co
90 isn't a 100 my friend. And I'd go as far as suggesting Johnson in the Ashes 2013/14 Ashes was more hostile yet than South African attack Bairstow faced.
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If England get a lead of 100, Australia will have to bat outta their skins to get 400 in the second dig.
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I reckon lead of around 100 with aussies getting around 300 2nd innings and will be a thrilling finish
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Chasing a wide one Joseph! What wil Geoffrey say!?
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I reckon lead of around 100 with aussies getting around 300 2nd innings and will be a thrilling finish
Nah 200 run target will be easy for England. Starc's in a charitable mood...
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batting last on this 250 will be very tough as screw starc Johnson will get it right and make for good watching
starc will bowl crap but pick up a 5 for Johnson bowl awesome and get 1-2 but England to win 8-9 down
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What's the weather like in Birmingham after lunch? Any chance the sun will come out?
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Odds on Ali to get bounced out?
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I think we just have to accept both Stokes and Bairstow got the best two balls we will see today.
Regardless or stats, previous scores. Neither batsmen could play that ball and I doubt many others could have!
I would like to have a laugh at Starc here but he did just pick up a wicket :(
Really chance for Buttler and Ali now (I may copy and paste the sentence "Real chance for (delete as appropriate) here" Because I seem to keep typing it!
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sun never shines in Birmingham always overcast and grey and forecast pretty similar for rest of test with sun maybe poking through only to see its Birmingham then run away
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Lyon has an unbelievable strike rate this match. That's 3 wickets in his 3 overs now. :o :o
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Should have reviewed!
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Lyon is a very good bowler. I don't care what anyone says
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Joss is too nice a chap to review!
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Poor shot from Buttler. Strange we haven't seen his "attacking" ability.
DRS saying it would've missed.
Surprised he didn't review it as the last batsmen in.
Can we start the innings with their ball? :-[
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Lyon is a very good bowler. I don't care what anyone says
Probably the best off spinner going around at the moment.
Then again the quality of spin isn't great at the moment.
England have pretty much thrown wickets away, the Aussies haven't bowled great apart from Johnson earlier
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God what a farce this England side can be at times, and I really, really want them to do well - however, on a difficult pitch against a decent attack, look at who's thrown it away - Lyth, Bell, Root and now Joss not reviewing with only the tail to come!!!
I despair at times, a hard fought, gritty lead of 150 would have made things tricky for the Aussies - I suspect we'll struggle to get a 70 run lead now!!
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
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Who remembers when Lyon couldn't buy a wicket and was the joke of Australian cricket :-[
Still can't understand Jos not reviewing it!
Don't forget Steven Finn and James Anderson both have test half centuries.... (Clutching at Straws)
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Just before the Buttler wicket, Australia reviewed a bat-pad catch.
The 3rd umpire then looked for an LBW.
How can the Australians review two things? Surely this should cost them two reviews?
I thought the rule was you have to say what you are appealing for/reviewing?
Furthermore, when Buttler saw the previous DRS surely he should have thought that maybe the second one was also going over as they were pretty similar balls.
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God what a farce this England side can be at times, and I really, really want them to do well - however, on a difficult pitch against a decent attack, look at who's thrown it away - Lyth, Bell, Root and now Joss not reviewing with only the tail to come!!!
I despair at times, a hard fought, gritty lead of 150 would have made things tricky for the Aussies - I suspect we'll struggle to get a 70 run lead now!!
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
Oh dear Mr Chumneywarner there's no such thing as 'grinding out a lead' anymore, reviews take time up so we've scrapped those, both sides hammer each other T20 style, Lunch and Tea are MCD's and Kentucky,the game is over by halfway just in time for the crowd to build a beer snake
Get on with the game!!! :)
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Just before the Buttler wicket, Australia reviewed a bat-pad catch.
The 3rd umpire then looked for an LBW.
How can the Australians review two things? Surely this should cost them two reviews?
I thought the rule was you have to say what you are appealing for/reviewing?
Furthermore, when Buttler saw the previous DRS surely he should have thought that maybe the second one was also going over as they were pretty similar balls.
I believe the question is 'Owzat?', not 'Owzatforcaughtatbatpad'/'Owzatforalegbeforewicket'.
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But I was lead to believe that the fielding team must clarify what they are appealing for when it is reviewed.
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No. DRS checks for all modes of dismissal.
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But I was lead to believe that the fielding team must clarify what they are appealing for when it is reviewed.
Once a decision is reviewed. The third umpire will check for all modes of dismissal
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God what a farce this England side can be at times, and I really, really want them to do well - however, on a difficult pitch against a decent attack, look at who's thrown it away - Lyth, Bell, Root and now Joss not reviewing with only the tail to come!!!
I despair at times, a hard fought, gritty lead of 150 would have made things tricky for the Aussies - I suspect we'll struggle to get a 70 run lead now!!
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
Pah! What does this bloke know! :D
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what lead are we going to get then?
125
140
150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lead is already far too big for Australia, though it pitch seems to be flatter now the sun has appeared.
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what lead are we going to get then?
125
140
150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All depends on how long these two last.
Looks like Moeen spent the lunch break in the nets.
I think Jimmy will want to get back out there and Finn won't last long.
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Hugely frustrating for Australia two bunnies having a slog and getting away with it...
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Bit harsh to call them bunnies. Moeen is a proper batsman and Broad has a (albeit tainted) test hundred to his name
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Hugely frustrating for Australia two bunnies having a slog and getting away with it...
Tail-enders practicing their golf swing ready for a round on Saturday afternoon ;)
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Hugely frustrating for Australia two bunnies having a slog and getting away with it...
Ditto Marsh and Nevill making runs in the last test ;)
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Broad throwing his wicket away there!
Didn't expect him to walk! :D
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Bit harsh to call them bunnies. Moeen is a proper batsman and Broad has a (albeit tainted) test hundred to his name
I don't know if you can call his hundred 'tainted'. They were bowling no balls deliberately, not serving him up half volleys.
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It does make me laugh that Broad thinks absolutely everything is out even when it's so obvious it's not. He gets his way too much with bowling referrals too.
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Rogers gone lbw! Wanted to review but took to long!! Was it to high?
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I think too high. Just...
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Umpires call. Saved the Aussies a review.
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Clipping so would have been out. Shouldn't have stood there looking down for a few seconds
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Umpire's call anyway. Decent ball from Broad!
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The umpires have been pretty good this series,
Today saw the first one they got wrong (Buttler) and of 20 reviews this series, only one has been over turned.
However, some would argue a lot of these have been umpires call and could go either way.
Not sure about Gaffney as an umpire, made a few mistakes today.
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2day test match??
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Where has Steven Finn been ?
Incredible bowling.
Hopefully the selectors realise that it is okay to go at 4 rpo when you bowl like this!
Long evening for the Aussies!
I said it earlier, I say it again, who could dislike test cricket!
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Who reckons Watson will be back? Marsh looked umcomfy then. At least watson gets 30 before he's lbw.
Finn looking good here.
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Finn is a good bowler. Very good strike rate. Think economy will come with more games.
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Let's have finish inside 2 days with an innings win having not scored over 300.
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Defo picked the wrong Marsh
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Would have got some decent odds on test match end on day 2!
Feel sorry for the people with day 3,4 and 5 tickets!
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Noooooo. Jimmy off hopefully minor and he's back soon!
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Johnsons gone.
Finn with a five for. Lead at 8 and into the tail
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Oh my word the batting has been shocking this test match. Anderson off is a big blow, hope he's ok.
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Oh my word the batting has been shocking this test match. Anderson off is a big blow, hope he's ok.
all for a pitch doing a bit for a session or two on the first day but for it to still be doing as much as it is now, 27 wickets in 2 days is too much, aided by some very poor batting but not just by Australia either, England out for 281 when arguably Australia didn't get it right with the ball.
Australia will change it now, Shaun Marsh for Voges is a cert, Siddle for Starc possibly, Clarke ......they wouldn't drop the captain with 2 tests to go would they?
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Neville playing for the draw? Can't imagine haddin looking to block it out.
Get on with it and finish it off tonight! A win inside 2 days
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Jack brooks being touted as andersons replacement.
Be another Yorkshireman took!
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Neville playing for the draw? Can't imagine haddin looking to block it out.
Get on with it and finish it off tonight! A win inside 2 days
Neville playing an actual test match innings.
Pretty good and gutsy performance considering what others have done. And will probably cement him stumping for rest of series ahead of haddin.
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The umpires have been pretty good this series,
Today saw the first one they got wrong (Buttler) and of 20 reviews this series, only one has been over turned.
However, some would argue a lot of these have been umpires call and could go either way.
Not sure about Gaffney as an umpire, made a few mistakes today.
So Gaffney made a few mistakes today yet there has only been one wrong decision of the series according to you. Please explain how this works?
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Little bit of rain now...Anderson will be hoping he can pretend to a world beater in these conditions
No pretence take a look at Jimmys figures
And How regal was Smith today
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all for a pitch doing a bit for a session or two on the first day but for it to still be doing as much as it is now, 27 wickets in 2 days is too much, aided by some very poor batting but not just by Australia either, England out for 281 when arguably Australia didn't get it right with the ball.
Don't even try and blame the pitch, majority of Aussie wickets to fall in the first innings were just poor shots.
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No pretence take a look at Jimmys figures
And How regal was Smith today
Considering Smith has averaged approx 80 between Dec '13 and now I'd say he has done pretty well.
#seniorplayernoidea #tallpoppy
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Considering Smith has averaged approx 80 between Dec '13 and now I'd say he has done pretty well.
#seniorplayernoidea #tallpoppy
Not in the
UK when the ball swings and seams late.
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Personally don't think there's much wrong with this pitch, watched the highlights and again some very lose batting from the Aussie batters, I fully get trying to "put your stamp" on the oppo but some of the shots have been mental in a test match.
One thing for sure is that England have out bowled the Aussies so far and I'm sorry but anyone that doesn't think Jimmy Anderson is world class needs head checking. Yes he may have better figures in UK but all bowlers surly have better figures in home conditions except maybe a special few. Johnson bowled a cracking over just a shame the batters havnt stood up and given them a chance, can't see tomorrow going last lunch, I may be wrong but can't see it.
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Not in the
UK when the ball swings and seams late.
Just last year Steven Smith averaged 60+ away in South Africa. Where the attack of Steyn(perhaps the best ever when it's all said and done), philander and Morkel hardly gift you 'gimme runs'. And in South Africa the pitches where far from flat...
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No pretence take a look at Jimmys figures
And How regal was Smith today
Overrated Anderson the myth of the British media. I read somewhere in this topic that for Smith to be considered great he has to score runs in all conditions.
Well Anderson hardly ever shows up when the pitch isn't a green bunsen. Where was he hiding at Lords? He was embarrassing in the 2013/14 Ashes. And the recent 'success' in the Caribbean was made out like he'd achieved the holy grail when it was against the worst West Indian side many have ever seen.
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You sure your not a south African in England?
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Hope you are right Soulman, first 10 overs tomorrow are crucial.
In summary as I see it the series so far:
1st test - Aussies think England will be push over so too casual and get rolled over.
2nd test - Aussies come back fighting and England get too complacent, get stuffed.
3rd test - Aussies think the pommies are there for the taking and again too casual and get themselves into a sticky situation, can England finish the job.....
4th test - Repeat of the 2nd?
5th test - winner takes all?
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You sure your not a south African in England?
I don't follow you?
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Overrated Anderson the myth of the British media. I read somewhere in this topic that for Smith to be considered great he has to score runs in all conditions.
Well Anderson hardly ever shows up when the pitch isn't a green bunsen. Where was he hiding at Lords? He was embarrassing in the 2013/14 Ashes. And the recent 'success' in the Caribbean was made out like he'd achieved the holy grail when it was against the worst West Indian side many have ever seen.
Number 8 in bowling averages for last two years.
Not too shabby that.
(According to Howstat, the Australian online cricket statistics website).
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Number 8 in bowling averages for last two years.
Not too shabby that.
(According to Howstat, the Australian online cricket statistics website).
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Helps that he feasted on Sri Lanka and India last summer? Two sides that don't tour well outside the subcontinent. And then boosted his stats more against the West Indies. Hardly anything to tell the grandkids.
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Anyway back on topic.
Hoping the selection panel make a few changes for Nottingham. Voges, Starc and Hazlewood out for my money.
Siddle(an honest Victorian will help dry up the run rate!), Cummins and Shaun Marsh in. Rejig the batting order. Marsh up at 3. Smith to 4 and Clarke down to 5. Perhaps Watson back in as Mitch Marsh's batting doesn't look up to it or called up Faulkner instead.
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You sure your not a south African in England?
HA!
South Africa still use the Kookaburra ball don't they? All tests should use Dukes in my opinion (although don't know much about the SG, probably less of an issue in India).
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Anyway back on topic.
Hoping the selection panel make a few changes for Nottingham. Voges, Starc and Hazlewood out for my money.
Siddle(an honest Victorian will help dry up the run rate!), Cummins and Shaun Marsh in. Rejig the batting order. Marsh up at 3. Smith to 4 and Clarke down to 5. Perhaps Watson back in as Mitch Marsh's batting doesn't look up to it or called up Faulkner instead.
Probably too many. One or two maybe. Hazlewood's the leading wicket taker isn't he?
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Probably too many. One or two maybe. Hazlewood's the leading wicket taker isn't he?
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Hazlewood might be leading wicket taker but on a pitch he was tipped to be unplayable on he was shockingly poor. I've never seen an Australian line bowler bowl so many half volleys in my life.
Unless Starc plays the innings of his life today I think he's 100% axed.
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This series has had two tests so far where one side has played week,mother other very badly.
Third test, the wicket is a good cricket wicket so far... England have bowled well,,Australia not so well.. Both sides can't bat for toffee. I'm not sure where test match batsmen have gone but there are precious few on show in this series so far. Rogers, cook, root and Neville are probably the only ones not to basically be playing white ball cricket
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Steyn(perhaps the best ever when it's all said and done)
Haha, good one. Maybe if you didn't watch cricket before 2004!
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Haha, good one. Maybe if you didn't watch cricket before 2004!
I feel your pain. I mean after the legendary Fred Trueman England hasn't produce one great fast/seam bowler....
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I feel your pain. I mean after the legendary Fred Trueman England hasn't produce one great fast/seam bowler....
Who's talking about England?
McGrath
Marshall
Ambrose
Donald
Wasim
Lillie
Hadlee
Bond
Holding
Don't get me wrong, Steyn is excellent, but the best ever? I think you've had too much XXXX
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Anyway back on topic.
Hoping the selection panel make a few changes for Nottingham. Voges, Starc and Hazlewood out for my money.
Siddle(an honest Victorian will help dry up the run rate!), Cummins and Shaun Marsh in. Rejig the batting order. Marsh up at 3. Smith to 4 and Clarke down to 5. Perhaps Watson back in as Mitch Marsh's batting doesn't look up to it or called up Faulkner instead.
3 changes is a bit over the top. Win or lose I'd like to see Marsh and Siddle in for Voges and Starc.
I think with Harris missing Siddle should have played from the beginning as the workhorse bowler who can keep the pressure on from one end.
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Not in the
UK when the ball swings and seams late.
An average of 59 so far this series isn't good?
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An average of 59 so far this series isn't good?
The bat first wicket gifted him his runs at Lords also it was pretty obvoius to anyone who saw the pitch before a ball was bowled that which ever side batted first would get a big score.
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Neville playing for the draw? Can't imagine haddin looking to block it out.
This is just about the silliest comment on this thread. You know test matches can go on for 5 days right? I bet you are one of those blokes who greets every defensive shot played by your oppo on a Saturday with "Oh look lads, Bat reckons he's playing a test match' then get castled first ball swinging wildly across the line in your innings.
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Who's talking about England?
McGrath
Marshall
Ambrose
Donald
Wasim
Lillie
Hadlee
Bond
Holding
Don't get me wrong, Steyn is excellent, but the best ever? I think you've had too much XXXX
put Courtney Walsh in there over 500 wickets also bowled faster and longer spells than any quicker bowler he carried the West Indies attrack on his own when Ambrose retired
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So Gaffney made a few mistakes today yet there has only been one wrong decision of the series according to you. Please explain how this works?
I meant that only one review has been overturned, from this I meant that the level of umpiring on the whole has been pretty good.
The comment regarding Gaffney was more to do with his general level of umpiring. Sky Sports picked up on him missing no balls, leg byes e.t.c. and then also the decision to give Buttler out. However, I am sure there have been plenty of other mistakes by others, just seemed to be a little bit more prominent today.
Buttler was as much at fault for his LBW as the umpire was.
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Who's talking about England?
McGrath
Marshall
Ambrose
Donald
Wasim
Lillie
Hadlee
Bond
Holding
Don't get me wrong, Steyn is excellent, but the best ever? I think you've had too much XXXX
Who is Bond ? the only one I know is 007
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James Anderson out for the remainder of this test and the next test match, possibly out for the rest of the series.
I wouldn't of been bothered if this was announced at Lords,
Time for Finn and Broad to step up.
Who will be the new bowler, suggesting that Wood is still injured.
Big big big loss in the view of opening bowlers for England.
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Footitt
Jordan
Woakes
One of those three
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Brookes or Plunkett, perhaps get a turner and take Rashid as well as Ali.
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The bat first wicket gifted him his runs at Lords also it was pretty obvoius to anyone who saw the pitch before a ball was bowled that which ever side batted first would get a big score.
It must Be really annoying that he averages more than any of the English batsmen and only 1 is even close. That and the fact he is the best test batsman in the world :D :o :D :o :D :o :D :o :D
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It must Be really annoying that he averages more than any of the English batsmen and only 1 is even close. That and the fact he is the best test batsman in the world :D :o :D :o :D :o :D :o :D
It's not annoying Steven Finn.
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It must Be really annoying that he averages more than any of the English batsmen and only 1 is even close. That and the fact he is the best test batsman in the world :D :o :D :o :D :o :D :o :D
What do you class as close?
Smith only averages about 8 more runs per innings than Ballance :-)
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Is Plunkett fit?
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Is Plunkett fit?
He has been playing for Yorkshire recently.
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Bold call but got to be Footitt for me. He bowls at a decent lick, bowls goood areas, takes wickets for fun all be it in Div 2. the variety of a lleft armer is a plus point for him too.
Personally I think that, they will go with Woakes. h had the nod last year he is a similar bowler to Jimmy (obviously no where near as good)
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Apart from the fact he's retired, isn't Sidebottom still the closest swing bowler to Anderson? I can't think of many genuine swing bowlers playing county cricket, though I would admit I don't watch much CC!
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Woakes is only just returning to county cricket after a long lay off.
How's Onions getting along these days? I always felt he was considered too similar to Jimmy, otherwise he'd have played more test cricket.
That said, I expect they will go with someone who has been in and around the set up more recently
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Sidebottom or Woakes for me. This isn't the time for a new cap.
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Sidebottom won't be considered, he's retired from international cricket
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Isn't Mark Wood back available for next test?
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Is the pitch gonna be a green top at Nottingham? If so the Duke John Hastings has put forward Durham seamer Chris Ruthworth.
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I really hope Finn picks up a couple more here, and takes a really good bag away from this test. Lovely to see him back, and returning to some sort of form.
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Sidebottom won't be considered, he's retired from international cricket
I'd have a word with him, and see if he would be willing to do a job for a couple of tests.
Woakes - coming back from injury, but not as poor as people like to make out
Jordan - keep him for one-dayers at the mo
Wood - Will be fit for next test
Footitt - way too unproven for a crucial test
Plunko - safe pick, could do a job at Trent Bridge
Brooks - Left field, worth a shout
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Peter Nevill gets away with a leg side gloved catch.
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I agree with Cattus, I don't think Woakes is as bad as people think has a similar FC record to Stokes, doesn't have the cajones to match mind . I also agree about Jordan, I would keep him for white ball cricket, I don't think he's a good enough bowler at test level yet, can't argue with his fielding though! Would Overton be worth the risk for Trent Bridge, they seem keen to get him in the setup but perhaps they just see him as a one day player at the moment?
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8/217. Nevill goes for a fighting 57. 6th wicket for Finn. Lead 72
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Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio
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Was that a tactical review?
Can't really understand reviewing that.
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I'd have a word with him, and see if he would be willing to do a job for a couple of tests.
Woakes - coming back from injury, but not as poor as people like to make out
Jordan - keep him for one-dayers at the mo
Wood - Will be fit for next test
Footitt - way too unproven for a crucial test
Plunko - safe pick, could do a job at Trent Bridge
Brooks - Left field, worth a shout
Can only be between Plunkett and Wood for the next test, none of the others are "test ready".
Can't see Jordan playing a test for England again. Just not good enough with the ball.
Woakes injured
England wouldn't risk blooding in a new player unless the series was already decided.
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yeah im with Cattus too it's a great place to be.. Finn is like a gold bar. for gods sake we need to look after him. saw him bowl live at lords couple of weeks ago, he has proper wheels
now.....how many do we chase without falling to bits? :)
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I agree with Cattus, I don't think Woakes is as bad as people think has a similar FC record to Stokes, doesn't have the cajones to match mind . I also agree about Jordan, I would keep him for white ball cricket, I don't think he's a good enough bowler at test level yet, can't argue with his fielding though! Would Overton be worth the risk for Trent Bridge, they seem keen to get him in the setup but perhaps they just see him as a one day player at the moment?
Don't rate Jordan in the slightest. Many better option than him even in white ball cricket. poor
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England being generous and letting Starc have a net session.
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Hazlewood gone for 11. Stokes with the wicket.
Lead is 100. Starc with his fifth Test fifty.
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England being generous and letting Starc have a net session.
England saving the ecb some money with the ticket refund policy
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What do you class as close?
Smith only averages about 8 more runs per innings than Ballance :-)
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11 last time I looked
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Can Starc and Lyon get the lead up to 150? Won't be a winning target to enough to get into the English order.
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I don't think they can but I do think Starc has done well. He has dug in and showed some determination
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I don't think they can but I do think Starc has done well. He has dug in and showed some determination
Probably done enough to retain his place for Nottingham
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I imagine the wicket it getting flatter judging by the scores being made.
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He had to bat well because his bowling was woeful
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Starc gone for 58. Falls to Ali's pies.
England need 121 to win.
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122-8 anyone :-[
This "small target" worries me a bit
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Over in 30 overs
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121 should be easy! Then again England do make tough work of low scores!
Lyth probably nick one behind before lunch
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Lyth should just focus on not getting out. Get 40-odd red.
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Cook and Lyth need to use it as a net. One of those where you try not to give your wicket away. That would be good for them both.
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Need a replacement for Anderson for Trent Bridge, someone get Freddie on the phone, one last battle with the old enemy haha
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Need a replacement for Anderson for Trent Bridge, someone get Freddie on the phone, one last battle with the old enemy haha
wood is the obvious replacement alongside finn and broad
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And so it begins.
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Wood, if fit, has to come in surely? Been in the set up and would have played apart from his injury.
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not sure about any one else but ive got the jitters
Lyth to take us home? well.......every dog has his day
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So Bell to the crease. Under Pressure.
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wood is the obvious replacement alongside finn and broad
Likely my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough ;)
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Dolly
(If that is the correct spelling)
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Can't afford for that to happen Clarkey!
Bell looks like he's getting his mojo back
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Clarke you've dropped the ashes! :D
Looks like a man under pressure! Not getting along with the selectors, can't get any runs, bowling Lyon before Johnson
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Bell playing the david Warner role here!
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That looked plum and was plum. Lyth a woes continue.
Did he need to be back there?
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Lyth fails again!
Not an international quality opener from what I've seen.
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bring back Compton!!!! :) :o
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Bell in his element here. A few cheap runs to boost the average.
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Bell in his element here. A few cheap runs to boost the average.
Cheers for that Gerry
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Bell in his element here. A few cheap runs to boost the average.
not sure about that. Runs in both innings and he has got momentum going in both.
I'd be more worried about the Aussie Captain, terrific player but he is not leading by example so far....
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Cheers for that Gerry
that is funny! :)
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Bell in his element here. A few cheap runs to boost the average.
Cheap runs chasing a 2-1 lead in an Ashes series, what are you on...
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Lyth failing again is worrying as now it looks like he won't last the series, its a shame there is no obvious replacement in the county circuit at the moment.
Root and Bell going well here I wouldn't be surprised to see these two take us through to the end of the game. :)
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Some people are never happy. Anderson has over 400 test wickets and he's only good in England or against rubbish teams. Isn't that true of all cricket? You take what you can get. Sometimes you struggle against good attacks or bowl on unresponsive wickets, but it doesn't make you a poor player. Is Clarke a bad batsman, no, but he has a back condition which like Mike Atherton is clearly restricting him.
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Stop it with the rational analysis, Nick.
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50 up for Bell
well batted!!
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Must be the end of Lyth.
England could have been punished at Lords and Edgbaston by lacking an opener and I imagine had the Aussies been on their game they would've done.
I think Lyth will be saying his goodbye's during the beers this afternoon.
England can't afford anymore failures at the top of the order.
They need to win at Trent Bridge to avoid a final test showdown. This team is not good under pressure.
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Roooooooooooot!
Nice to see Bell do well at 3. A cheap half century in both innings of a low scoring game to boost his average, as well as help England take a series lead! ;)
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Not too bad for Bell. Averaged 128 in this test...
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Lawrence Booth reporting Stoneman and Rushworth in for Trent Bridge.
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nothing like some easy runs !! :)
Who would of thought it 6 months ago......
Just shows you cannot predict Test matches cricket, IMO why it remains the best form of the game
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Guess Woakes, Plunkett and Wood are the obvious replacements available for Anderson. Think about Woakes is he perhaps gives you something a bit different to the rest of the bowling attack now.
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Must be the end of Lyth.
England could have been punished at Lords and Edgbaston by lacking an opener and I imagine had the Aussies been on their game they would've done.
I think Lyth will be saying his goodbye's during the beers this afternoon.
England can't afford anymore failures at the top of the order.
They need to win at Trent Bridge to avoid a final test showdown. This team is not good under pressure.
Who is going to replace him then?
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Who is going to replace him then?
I don't think his game is tight enough at the top level, but I would give another chance at Trent Bridge.We can't just chop and change like the bad old days.
and quite right, presuming we don't turn the clock back to Compton..Carberry is in a poor run of form....who else would replace him and then get a chance to settle into Test cricket-you have to give players time..
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If someone was getting their head down and pounding down the door with runs in the CC then I think Lyth would be a goner, but the fact that no opener is standing out right now will be his saving grace I think and give him an extended chance at proving himself.
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Again we go back to the Trott fiasco...Lyth should've been given the WI and NZ series to bed in and get his confidence up before the ashes. Telling him he was guaranteed those 3 series would've made him more relaxed and feel more part of the team. Now he probably feels like another chop and change player forever looking over their shoulder, rather than focusing on their time in the middle against tough opposition (not so tough last 3days). Keep him in, back him and move on to Trent bridge as him part of a winning side
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I personally believe he has been given his chance.
Has now played 10 Test innings at an average of 22.20, just not good enough at the top level.
Yes, there is a huge argument about who could replace him and no one really putting their hand up.
Lees, Hales, Stoneman as new blood.
Compton, Carberry, even Robson as old blood.
I just think England really need to secure that position and stop giving away easy early wickets
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Again we go back to the Trott fiasco...Lyth should've been given the WI and NZ series to bed in and get his confidence up before the ashes. Telling him he was guaranteed those 3 series would've made him more relaxed and feel more part of the team. Now he probably feels like another chop and change player forever looking over their shoulder, rather than focusing on their time in the middle against tough opposition (not so tough last 3days). Keep him in, back him and move on to Trent bridge as him part of a winning side
100 per cent right.could'nt agree more. When he gets in he can score freely,that's an advantage-he is not a blocker who will get stuck with 20 off 100 balls.
If England think he is the right man this might be one of those times the coaches earn their money helping him tighten up
just my view.
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I personally believe he has been given his chance.
Has now played 10 Test innings at an average of 22.20, just not good enough at the top level.
In my opinion, there isn't much difference between 9 and 10 innings as a statistic.
Did you know Steve Smith, current number one batsman, averaged 22.78 after 9 innings.
So, whilst Lyth is looking a bit out of his depth, with the right coaching and direction, he can improve to any level potentially.
He just needs to get that one big score which will hopefully kick start his career.
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In my opinion, there isn't much difference between 9 and 10 innings as a statistic.
Did you know Steve Smith, current number one batsman, averaged 22.78 after 9 innings.
So, whilst Lyth is looking a bit out of his depth, with the right coaching and direction, he can improve to any level potentially.
He just needs to get that one big score which will hopefully kick start his career.
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Statistics only tell half a story, that Steve Smith had played 9 innings being selected as a leg spin bowler and lower order bat...
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Statistics only tell half a story, that Steve Smith had played 9 innings being selected as a leg spin bowler and lower order bat...
So because he didn't open, he could improve to be the number one in the world and Lyth can't?
I'm not saying he will, just saying that some people have a slow start to their career.
PS - Smith batted 6 vs England in this patch. That's a batsman spot.
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So because he didn't open, he could improve to be the number one in the world and Lyth can't?
I'm not saying he will, just saying that some people have a slow start to their career.
PS - Smith batted 6 vs England in this patch. That's a batsman spot.
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My point was he was selected as a bowler first and foremost, not a batsman!
Maybe we could use Lythe as number 6 and front line spinner, ihis average might not be all doom and gloom if we did that...
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For Trent bridge why not gamble on Onoins he's bowling well and as the Aussies have shown they can t play seam and swing .
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Don't take offence but how much notice do you take of county cricket, or Durham in particular? Onions plays only 4 day games due to his past injuries and even then he is not the best English bowler at Durham maybe not even in the top 3 any more. Yet Chris Rushworth is the top wicket taker in the county circuit. Once again please don't take offence and take it as I'm ridiculing your opinion, but I struggle to see the sense in that.
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Don't take offence but how much notice do you take of county cricket, or Durham in particular? Onions plays only 4 day games due to his past injuries and even then he is not the best English bowler at Durham maybe not even in the top 3 any more. Yet Chris Rushworth is the top wicket taker in the county circuit. Once again please don't take offence and take it as I'm ridiculing your opinion, but I struggle to see the sense in that.
Exactly, Onions has 32 wickets in 10 games at 34 this season with an economy of 3.81 and only 1 five wicket haul suggests he hasn't been all that great this season. Rushworth has twice as many wickets.
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Onions does have 32 wickets this season test experience and can swing the ball.
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As I said on Twitter to someone else, what is the point in the county circuit if the outstanding performers are getting ignored for clearly inferior players, be it due to favouritism or as you say experience.
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As I said on Twitter to someone else, what is the point in the county circuit if the outstanding performers are getting ignored for clearly inferior players, be it due to favouritism or as you say experience.
yes ther are outstanding performers around
Select Onions not so much for his test experience but because he can bowl a late in swinger which the Aussies have shown they have difficulty playing England don't need another up and down bowler as both Broad and Finn can bowl that it's also what the Aussies are used to.
Also Trent bridge normally assists seam bowlers.
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Liam Plunkett and Mark Footitt added to the Eng squad for the 4th test
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yes ther are outstanding performers around
Select Onions not so much for his test experience but because he can bowl a late in swinger which the Aussies have shown they have difficulty playing England don't need another up and down bowler as both Broad and Finn can bowl that it's also what the Aussies are used to.
Also Trent bridge normally assists seam bowlers.
I then say again Chris Rushworth..... You have just described what Rushworth would love...... Either way Footit and Plunkett are in the squad. From a selfish point of view I hope Plunkett plays and Wood is allowed to play for Durham!! Means the daft yorkies are another man short and Durham get Wood + keeping Rushworth and Stoneman, who was rumoured to replace Lyth.
On a slight side note, the selectors were in their meeting for a good few hours, which says to me;
1) the selection of the 2 bowlers wasn't straight forward with names such as Brooks/Rushworth mentioned a lot
2) other places were seriously under discussion, mainly Cooks opening partner with my man Stoneman and probably Hales mentioned heavily there.
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The lad on the Top needs to go. I believe ENG has way better batsmens than that
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Liam Plunkett and Mark Footitt added to the Eng squad for the 4th test
Out of those two play Plunkett he will be the quickest bowler on the pitch.
Play Footitt in the 5th test when England are three one up.