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[skip1973]

So only being able to take 10 wickets for the match wasn't an issue?

[Seniorplayer]

Well for me  it was all about the win the toss bat first win the match Lords wicket plus England's crazy 2nd innings batting.

[dougydee]

At Edgebaston England could do worse than playing two spinners.

If your counting Ali as a spinner then Root surely counts as well. So it could be argued that England has played 2 spinners.

[Seniorplayer]

If your counting Ali as a spinner then Root surely counts as well. So it could be argued that England has played 2 spinners.

Okay i was thinking Adil Rasheed who's a better bowler than both Ali and Root  as Edgebaston usually  spins on days four and five.

[ch1p]

^^ dont forget Adam Lyth bowled a lovely over of spin in the last test  so you could say we've played three spinners...

[Seniorplayer]

^^ dont forget Adam Lyth bowled a lovely over of spin in the last test  so you could say we've played three spinners...

Your right and if Rashid plays England could have four...

[ppccopener]

swap the lot of them for Swanny. When posts come on here about winning test matches some forget the contribution he made to us being successful.

Shame he couldn't play on until his late 30's and get that elbow fixed properly

[Seniorplayer]

swap the lot of them for Swanny. When posts come on here about winning test matches some forget the contribution he made to us being successful.

Shame he couldn't play on until his late 30's and get that elbow fixed properly

Without any doubt  Swan was a match winner by packing in he has left England with a problem he could bat a bit as well.

[L21]

Swann left England in a massive hole due to his unannounced retirement, I think the selectors thought they had him for at least another 3-5 years.

Similar to Trott. Because these players just left England didn't have a back up plan, they didn't have an understudy.

I think mainly because things were too good for England and they got lazy. Through this they failed to produce any new test cricketers.

[ppccopener]

we have got decent players in who replaced players like Trott and Kp and Prior.......but...if your talking spin bowling Swann was by far the best English spinner in the 30 years ive been following England.

So real quality is few and far better anyway.You could go back to Edmonds, Embury, Tufnell,Panesar,Such(!)......

but actual match winners don't come along that often.

Spin wise now I couldn't tell you who is the best spinner in the Country right now to be honest... Rashid?

Ali is a part time bowler who hopefully will improve.But there's no way he should be seen as a front line spinner.

[uknsaunders]

Spin wise now I couldn't tell you who is the best spinner in the Country right now to be honest... Rashid?

Still Monty probably and he's not even playing first class cricket at the moment.

[Alvaro]

Jeetan Patel is the best spinner in county cricket at the moment. And he fared 'brilliantly' at Test level...

Ansari has most wickets of English spinners, but he gets to bowl at Leicester. He has one more than Kerrigan.

This list shows who gets you wickets in the CC - honest pie chuckers mainly, the estimable Mark Footitt aside.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=4;host=1;id=2015;type=season

[ppccopener]

Monty is playing club cricket at the moment, looks like his first class career could be coming to an end which is a real shame.
Thankfully,for those concerned about the lack of quality spinners coming thru, the T20 comp seems to have worked the opposite some thought-and brought spin back into the game.

Not sure it's going to help 4 day cricket long term but at least spin is not being crushed totally by medium pace wickets that do a bit...

[Alvaro]

Do you mean spin or darts?

[ppccopener]

ha ha fair point!!

leg stump get's hammered!