Custom Bats Cricket Forum
General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Number4 on August 08, 2015, 11:53:52 PM
-
It's official joe Root is rightly ranked no1 test batsman
-
Big expectations now. Seniorplayer will be kissing himself silly.
Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
-
Well deserved in my opinion, he's had a great 12-18 months, always looks calm, confident and relaxed at the crease too.
-
Absolutely. Has been phenomenal over the past year or so.
Will be interesting to see if he can continue this for another 12-18 months. Really bed in as a top batsman.
On another note. Broad is at 2 and Anderson at 3 in the bowling one.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BRkJfSU1HXzE0MzkxMDUxMDU1MjkuanBn_zps8e749394.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BRkJfSU1HXzE0MzkxMDUxMDU1MjkuanBn_zps8e749394.jpg.html)
-
India have a lot of home Tests coming up, so Kohli might me there or thereabouts before too long.
Great that Root is winning Test matches off his bat, doesn't matter where he's ranked really.
-
Keep in mind this ashes series so far Root has only scored 6 runs more than Chris Rogers. Although in a winning team it looks more spectacular
-
Big expectations now. Seniorplayer will be kissing himself silly.
Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Well I did say he would be before the series commenced.
-
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
-
Good to have another Yorkie at the top of the tree...but is he really the best batsman in the world?
Better than Smith? Certainly, without a doubt.
But better than De Villiers? Sangakkara? Williamson? Amla? Not convinced yet.
-
I think he's technically better than Amla
-
^ Agreed. Root has great technique and he makes his run scoring look effortless.
-
Good to have another Yorkie at the top of the tree...but is he really the best batsman in the world?
Better than Smith? Certainly, without a doubt.
But better than De Villiers? Sangakkara? Williamson? Amla? Not convinced yet.
This is test ranking we are talking not ODI (or even T-20) where ABD's acrobatic batting shines like no other. Root is a fantastic test batsman, has great technique and temperament with all the shots. I'd rank Sanga higher than others in your list.
-
I think his performances has warranted it. He has performed very well for a good while now.
Time will tell if he stays up there and becomes as good as Amla et al. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Personally, I enjoy the way he plays. Great technique and effortless.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
2 seasons ago I would have laughed myself to death if someone told me this. He has played very well and like everyone has said he will need to prove this in other countries and for an extended period. Well done to him and England. Very well deserved.
As a Kiwi it angers me that NZ hardly plays any test cricket. I really do believe that Kane Williamson is among the best in the world, but he doesn't get the opportunity to play enough.
-
2 seasons ago I would have laughed myself to death if someone told me this. He has played very well and like everyone has said he will need to prove this in other countries and for an extended period. Well done to him and England. Very well deserved.
As a Kiwi it angers me that NZ hardly plays any test cricket. I really do believe that Kane Williamson is among the best in the world, but he doesn't get the opportunity to play enough.
NZ should have been given more test matches in England in 2015 also
World cricket needs NZ to play more test matches due to the way they play having watched them in NZ and England over many years they Always play with the right attitude and are currently playing exciting cricket led by an inspirational captain.
-
@potzy248 - Kane Williamson is the best true number 3 in world cricket at the moment. He is going to be an immense player - and yes, especially while you have such a good test team NZ need to play more games.
-
He's had a good ashes series
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Well deserved, he has been amazing. During past six months Root and Smith have risen above Kohlis and Sharmas.
-
I think the future is Root, Smith, Williamson and Kohli. They all have their individual strengths, but surely hard to disagree that Root is at the top right now, purely in test matches? He'll have a tougher time in the UAE against Pakistan, but I wouldn't be surprised if he rose to that challenge just like every other...
-
I think the future is Root, Smith, Williamson and Kohli. They all have their individual strengths, but surely hard to disagree that Root is at the top right now, purely in test matches? He'll have a tougher time in the UAE against Pakistan, but I wouldn't be surprised if he rose to that challenge just like every other...
Would agree with Root and Williamson but kohil like smith struggled to score runs last time he played in the UK.
To be the best you have to score runs all around the world.and yes root will need to show he can score runs in the UAE.
-
Would agree with Root and Williamson but kohil like smith struggled to score runs last time he played in the UK.
To be the best you have to score runs all around the world.and yes root will need to show he can score runs in the UAE.
Joe hadn't scored runs in Australia yet... Or in NZ for that matter. Smith has score a 100 and a double 100 in the UK. He wasn't the best batsman this series but he certainly wasn't the worst.
-
I prefer watching Root bat above the others i feel he's a good mix, busy and aggressive at the crease like Kohli and Smith but with a solid technique like Williamson, perfect batsman in my eyes (if current form continues!), hard to see a weakness at the moment, UAE will be a big test of his game though, as will next time in Australia, be good to see how he copes with the fast pitches now he seems to know his game better.
-
Joe hadn't scored runs in Australia yet... Or in NZ for that matter. Smith has score a 100 and a double 100 in the UK. He wasn't the best batsman this series but he certainly wasn't the worst.
Root was very new to international cricket when he went to NZ. I think he'll do better next time.
The Aussies always go at the best player and I think he'll be their number one target in the next series over there. Will be interesting to see how he copes.
Catching and chances are always interesting as it could always change the statistics a lot if they had been taken. Steve Smith was dropped on 50 when he got 200 and would be averaging about 30 instead of 45 in this series. Root was dropped on 0 when he got his 100. If Haddin had caught that it could have been the difference between winning and losing the Ashes.
-
Confidence is a huge thing in cricket. Root seems to have it coming out his ears at the moment. I think he will go much better in Aus/NZ next time he travels down here.
-
Joe hadn't scored runs in Australia yet... Or in NZ for that matter. Smith has score a 100 and a double 100 in the UK. He wasn't the best batsman this series but he certainly wasn't the worst.
Okay smith scored his runs batting first on that lords pitch should have said hes poor against the ball that moves late.
-
The day after the Ashes finished and he became ranked number 1 in the world, Root was back at his home club the following day taking out the drink for his Brother Billy as repayment for him being 12th man for England. What a legend.
-
The day after the Ashes finished and he became ranked number 1 in the world, Root was back at his home club the following day taking out the drink for his Brother Billy as repayment for him being 12th man for England. What a legend.
brilliant.
great to see the England players getting with the fans at Trent Bridge too. We def had a 12th man with the support from the crowd, Lords apart( I love it there but most of my mates dislike the place), Edgbaston and Trent Bridge made a big difference.
We get it when we go to Australia,ggod to see us giving it back when the Aussies are over here :)
-
I think the future is Root, Smith, Williamson and Kohli. They all have their individual strengths, but surely hard to disagree that Root is at the top right now, purely in test matches? He'll have a tougher time in the UAE against Pakistan, but I wouldn't be surprised if he rose to that challenge just like every other...
Williamson is the best in all conditions.
Overall though, it's great these new players are emerging.
-
Okay smith scored his runs batting first on that lords pitch should have said hes poor against the ball that moves late.
Well if you look at both of their overall batting stats you will find they are almost identical with Smith pipping Root at the post with approx 200 more runs, facing approx 150 more balls, scoring 2 more 100's from 32 tests ( 31 for Root ).
So really they are much closer than people think. Yes Root is more technically correct but technique isn't everything. Some of the best batsmen from times gone by weren't technically correct.
-
Root maybe the official number 1 at the moment....but to be to honest, there is so little between the top 10 in real terms that it could change several times in the next 18 months, depending on who plays where!
Just nice to have a genuine top class batsman at the moment!
-
Your right Peter but Our Joe will just get better and better ....
-
Well Joe didn't stay at No1 for long.... Smith quickly took the No 1 spot back!!!!!!
-
Did it with over 900 points the alleged holy grail of ICC ranking totals. Amazing that only 30 batsman have ever achieved that total or more.
-
Seniorplayer............roooooooot
Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
-
Root will indeed better, old pro Seniorplayer is spot on
Smith....at the risk of the forum boards turning blue with insults from the Auusie/Gerry is a flash in the pan and will be found out.
tin hats on and go for it i'm hard enough to take it
:)
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
-
Both are and will be very good players. Basically identical in stats so far... both average 56 with just over 30 tests each played so far. Both are never going to be great bowlers but are used as that 'buy me a wicket' type bowler from their respective captains. As with anyone, they each have weaknesses and strengths. Root probably has a sounder technique and can play the moving ball better but little suspect against real fast and aggressive bowling. Smith very unorthodox in technique which may have resulted his troubles on the real green tops this series.
P.S I'm still waiting for Smith to get out LBW to a full straight ball..... maybe that will happen later on his career when his footwork and eyes get that marginally slower.
-
good point reds, i'm averaging single figures for 2015 so no expert here...but if you look at Smith technique it's all over the shop.
You can bat like that when your eyes are razor sharp but at some point you need a technique. This has been shown up against the movement-quite right.
KP was similar, unbelievable abilty to hit the ball but unorthodox
Time will tell of course whether Smith is just in a purple patch.There's been plenty of players have a hot streak and fade out.
Root should be up the order to be considered a great player.He's not now of course...but has the potential to be.
Look back thru history, most top players bat in the first 4.
Ponting is right when he says your best player bats 3-so Root should bat there.
And no doubts Ponting was a great player
-
KP's basic technique is excellent. Smith's isn't that bad. Or has everyone forgotten he was the leading run scorer in the recent ashes series?
In the meantime:
https://youtu.be/zoXH0tuQE5M
-
Surely technique isn't the be all and end all? Chanderpaul (for example) had a VERY unorthodox technique and has over 20000 international runs at a career average of around 45 (stats across all international formats).
I'm not saying technique isn't important, it certainly is to most players, but surely it is not necessary to have great technique to be considered a great player.
-
KP's basic technique is excellent. Smith's isn't that bad. Or has everyone forgotten he was the leading run scorer in the recent ashes series?
In the meantime:
https://youtu.be/zoXH0tuQE5M
haha great stuff!!! you gotta have a laugh
-
Surely technique isn't the be all and end all? Chanderpaul (for example) had a VERY unorthodox technique and has over 20000 international runs at a career average of around 45 (stats across all international formats).
Not true - Chanderpaul's trigger movement put him in a lovely side on technically correct position, it was only how he waited for the bowlers to release the ball that he looked horrible.
I believe that we are seeing a significant fall off of basic technique however at the moment which is hampering players. I am also frustrated that the likes of Gary Ballance wont try to change to improve.
-
Surely technique isn't the be all and end all? Chanderpaul (for example) had a VERY unorthodox technique and has over 20000 international runs at a career average of around 45 (stats across all international formats).
I'm not saying technique isn't important, it certainly is to most players, but surely it is not necessary to have great technique to be considered a great player.
good point. It may be a coincidence that Shiv was one of the best 'leavers' of a ball ever, so he had unbelievable patience, and made the bowlers bowl to him.
i'm sure some on here will point out other high scoring test players with unusual techniques, I can't think of that many myself
but i'm not arguing with Buzz for all the tea in China!! :)
-
Graeme smith!!!
-
Not true - Chanderpaul's trigger movement put him in a lovely side on technically correct position, it was only how he waited for the bowlers to release the ball that he looked horrible.
I believe that we are seeing a significant fall off of basic technique however at the moment which is hampering players. I am also frustrated that the likes of Gary Ballance wont try to change to improve.
yes surprising to read Ballance is def not trying to improve his method and will get back in(according to him) just on weight of runs....
-
Graeme smith!!!
great shout Smiley :)
-
Not true - Chanderpaul's trigger movement put him in a lovely side on technically correct position, it was only how he waited for the bowlers to release the ball that he looked horrible.
I believe that we are seeing a significant fall off of basic technique however at the moment which is hampering players. I am also frustrated that the likes of Gary Ballance wont try to change to improve.
Fair point that Buzz, just been looking at some footage on Youtube and Chanderpauls end product is reasonably orthodox. Started looking at some more footage of Smith as well, after thinking I don't remember him moving across his stumps as drastically as he has been this series in the past, it seems as though his trigger movement has altered drastically in less than a year, against SA in 2014 he stays pretty still but then when he got his 199 against WI and in this Ashes series he (as has been discussed) moves a huge way across the stumps. Anyone know what brought about this change?
-
Joe Root averages 27.43 in Australia
Steve Smith averages 44.35 in England
-
Joe Root averages 27.43 in Australia
Steve Smith averages 44.35 in England
The majority of Smiths runs came on roads. He looked clueless on "English wickets" when the ball was doing a bit
-
Not sure if this is true, or if its already been covered on here, but heard Root has signed a big money contract with New Balance?
-
Not sure if this is true, or if its already been covered on here, but heard Root has signed a big money contract with New Balance?
Interesting, just done a quick google search and nothing is coming up, where did you hear/read it? Another major coup for New Balance if it's true!
-
If that's true I can see New Balance "doing a Woodworm"
-
Regarding root.
I was told about 14months ago new balance and Spartan were competing for him as his GM contract wasn't going to be renewed.
As for root in aus last time, see what he averages in the next series, if same then maybe he is a green top bully. Only time will tell.
-
GM won't let Root go, he is the most high profile English player using their kit-think of the sales of equipment....
And the new GM stuff is excellent,bats and softs are quality.
-
If that's true I can see New Balance "doing a Woodworm"
Except woodworm had nothing to begin with and dived in, New balance are a multi multi million pound sports business that's been running since 1906
-
If that's true I can see New Balance "doing a Woodworm"
I dunno New Balance is a pretty big company with (I would imagine) a bit more capital to fall back on than someone like Woodworm. They've been flogging shoes all over the world for a lot of years now.
Edit: Ninja'd by Smilley792 haha :-[
-
Let's just wait and see then?
I was told by someone within the industry who said he'll be using New Balance kit from October?
With regards GM not letting him go.... I'm afraid New Balance are a far bigger company than GM and with the offer he's apparently got, I'm afraid GM won't have much choice!
-
Not sure if this is true, or if its already been covered on here, but heard Root has signed a big money contract with New Balance?
Hmmm. Other players that moved from GM to New Balance stopped performing once they'd switched supplier, although I'm sure Dave will enjoy seeing him at B3 to get his bats made...
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
No chance will GM let Root go willingly, unless NB or Spartan come in with some ridiculous offer financially he'll stay put
You'd hope Root wouldn't switch even if they did stick the money on the table mind, he's always used GM so you'd like to think there's a bit of loyalty there - it's not like he'll need the cash anyway
-
that's what I was thinking Neon.
I know it's a money talks sport these days but I would love to see our brightest star using bats made in this Country and one of the traditional companies.
No doubt Root has had a big impact on equipment sales and that boosts the UK.
New Balance I think are an Indian backed company(I think) so you would think they have some muscle....
-
Except woodworm had nothing to begin with and dived in, New balance are a multi multi million pound sports business that's been running since 1906
Yes NB are a multi million pound company, and they make excellent shoes.
However how long can the speculatively throw money into the cricket market hoping it comes good?
There's only so long they'll keep the cricket experiment going I think, if they make a profit in that time then great - carry on, if they don't oh well - onto the next venture.
-
I think NB Balance cricket interests are more about becoming world leaders in the footwear market.
-
After a small bit of research I'm pretty sure New Balance will be able to throw what they want at who they want, their revenue is apparently over $2 Billion dollars a year, I would hazard a guess that (bar Adidas) this is more financial backing than almost any other cricket kit supplier?
-
I would hazard a guess that (bar Adidas) this is more financial backing than almost any other cricket kit supplier?
Easily, like @Seniorplayer says their interests will be more around becoming the leaders in footwear - it won't cost them much, in relation to the size of the company, to have NB as a cricket brand instead of just a footwear supplier.
Would you buy NB shoes because Steve Smith or Ben Stokes were wearing them but still using a different make of kit? Or would you buy NB shoes because their Bat/Pads/Gloves are NB...
-
How does root go in other countries other than Australia?
Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
-
Hasn't root only played 1 test match on the subcontinent? Or does that not count for players from England and Australia.
-
Easily, like @Seniorplayer says their interests will be more around becoming the leaders in footwear - it won't cost them much, in relation to the size of the company, to have NB as a cricket brand instead of just a footwear supplier.
Would you buy NB shoes because Steve Smith or Ben Stokes were wearing them but still using a different make of kit? Or would you buy NB shoes because their Bat/Pads/Gloves are NB...
Exactly, that's what I was getting at, I don't know what kind of money these international players get thrown at them but say between Smith, Finch, Stokes and hypothetically Root (first 4 NB players off the top of my head) even if it costs them $1million it's really a drop in the ocean for a business with their resources. Your point is bang on, it's all about exposure of the brand, kids don't run up to their parents at Christmas saying "mum I want the same cricket boots as Ben Stokes" but they might ask for the same bat which in turn obviously puts the brand in peoples minds, so when it is time for new boots you get "oh how about New Balance" or something along those lines.
I, upon reading this back, realise that a lot of what I've written is stating the obvious but I've done it now so what the hell haha
-
The talk in the Summer was that GM let Hales go to finance a new deal recently with Root. So it would need to be a big buyout if he does go, so recently after signing again with GM.
They are making a big push into lots of sports, South Africa cricket kit is now New Balance, as are the kits of Stoke and Liverpool football clubs, and a number of prominent premier league footballers now wear NB football boots, i assume other footballers round the world too but I haven't seen enough football this season to know.
-
Jake - do you know if NB will do some playing whites etc as well next season?
I am also interested to see what move UnderArmour make into cricket. They are testing the water with Surrey this year.
-
Who is Hales with now?
-
Jake - do you know if NB will do some playing whites etc as well next season?
I am also interested to see what move UnderArmour make into cricket. They are testing the water with Surrey this year.
There's some whites on the NB Aus store here http://www.newbalance.com.au/men/apparel/cricket/155600,default,sc.html (http://www.newbalance.com.au/men/apparel/cricket/155600,default,sc.html)
With the battle for No 1 between Root and Smith only just beginning it'd be quite the coup if NB got the former.
-
Who is Hales with now?
GN
-
Jake - do you know if NB will do some playing whites etc as well next season?
I am also interested to see what move UnderArmour make into cricket. They are testing the water with Surrey this year.
No plans for whites to my knowledge. Under Armour I haven't seen or heard anything other than them doing teamwear.
Hales with Gray Nics @FattusCattus
-
NB also a massive player in the USA with baseball cleats. The money they spend on just shoes deals in the MLB will probably be eye watering