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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: Number4 on August 09, 2015, 03:37:34 AM
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I see Australia have some interesting up and coming cricketers.
Tom Healy - Australian u/19's wicket keeper - Son of Ian
Austin Waugh - Australian u/16's squad - 4 for 8 in the recent state championships to gain selection - Son of Steve
Jake Doran - Australian u/19's - just scored a century in the 1st innings and 76 in the 2nd in the one off test against England
Jordan Gauci - Australian u/19's - also scored a century in the same test against England
Celeb Jewel - Australian u/19's - Also a century in the same test against England
Jhye Richardson -Australian u/19's - took a 5fer in the 1st innings and also scored 87.
Interesting to see if any of these guys can take the next step.
I don't know much about the England youth teams so feel free to share here.
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I've had the pleasure of spending a little time with Jake Doran. Great young bloke, U19 captain and has been simply brilliant over the last 12 months.
If I was a betting man, I think he will be playing for Australia in the next Ashes series.
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How many players do you think will not play test cricket again from this squad? Pointing said it could be 8. Clarke, haddin, Rogers, Voges, Watson, siddle (surely can't count Harris!)
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Bit soon No.4? Nice to see nepotism is strong in Aussie cricket too... But the fall away of u19 players means it's often hard to track progress. Maybe a slight change of approach rather than players? But, it's the first tour for Hazlewood, who'll hopefully learn.
Australia A have been playing too. Khawaja is captain... There's a line on their thinking?
Jordan Silk might be one?
What do ou think of Ponting's call to get the Duke ball into Shield cricket?
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Is it a case that the talent simply isn't out there or is it that the talent is but because 2020 and one day 'skills' are now more valuable to a player and club, players simply are not growing up/learning to value their wicket ? Warner has a good test record but he's not really a test opener, he's a one day player. Is his avg down to poorer bowling or flat wickets (which allow his one day stroke play)?
Go through other test sides and you see the same issue arising, hence these one sided, quick scoring tests. Is the art of test match batting being lost? I believe the system simply isn't set up to breed cultured players who bat long and value their wicket.. It's set up to breed one day players
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Glen maxwell got 140 for Yorkshire yesterday and bowls some half decent off spin.
Could be Aussies moeen Ali. Bat at 8 and bowl some s##t ball wickets
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Is it a case that the talent simply isn't out there or is it that the talent is but because 2020 and one day 'skills' are now more valuable to a player and club, players simply are not growing up/learning to value their wicket ? Warner has a good test record but he's not really a test opener, he's a one day player. Is his avg down to poorer bowling or flat wickets (which allow his one day stroke play)?
Go through other test sides and you see the same issue arising, hence these one sided, quick scoring tests. Is the art of test match batting being lost? I believe the system simply isn't set up to breed cultured players who bat long and value their wicket.. It's set up to breed one day players
I reckon you're spot on here. It's becoming increasingly rare to see tests last 5 days and players, generally speaking, don't have the mentality to dig in for long stints at the crease. Many test hundreds are now coming at a S/R of 100.
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Bit soon No.4? Nice to see nepotism is strong in Aussie cricket too... But the fall away of u19 players means it's often hard to track progress. Maybe a slight change of approach rather than players? But, it's the first tour for Hazlewood, who'll hopefully learn.
Australia A have been playing too. Khawaja is captain... There's a line on their thinking?
Jordan Silk might be one?
What do ou think of Ponting's call to get the Duke ball into Shield cricket?
Not sure about the nepotism, I have heard good things about both but have not seen a lot of either in the flesh.
I'd love to see Australia give one of the young guns a crack in a high profile game like the last test.... I know they won't and maybe shouldn't but it would be great for the game I think
I don't think the duke ball in Australia would make a massive difference to the game so either ball for me
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Dukes ball won't last on our wickets.
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Is it a case that the talent simply isn't out there or is it that the talent is but because 2020 and one day 'skills' are now more valuable to a player and club, players simply are not growing up/learning to value their wicket ? Warner has a good test record but he's not really a test opener, he's a one day player. Is his avg down to poorer bowling or flat wickets (which allow his one day stroke play)?
Go through other test sides and you see the same issue arising, hence these one sided, quick scoring tests. Is the art of test match batting being lost? I believe the system simply isn't set up to breed cultured players who bat long and value their wicket.. It's set up to breed one day players
Another side effect is that if there aren't any tours in the off season, there's a 20-20 tournament somewhere where they can earn extra bucks belting balls around a tiny ground. Gone are the days when many of the top players go and play county in the off season. The likes of Rogers and Voges only played county because they weren't in the national side until recently.
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World cricket needs a strong Australian test side!! All that's needed is guys need to do their apprenticeship young like Gilly and langer did by playing in England as a youth player at a reasonably high level so you know what it is like to play with the Dukes ball and on English wickets!! Also maybe landing in England a month or two before the first Ashes test would help!! As I seem to remember Australia playing Somerset, Glostershire in early June a few years back around the 5th as Australia were normally always booked into the Royal Marriott in Bristol for the first two weeks of June.
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I wonder if the Aussies and Indians will send (and pay) for young players to play in the English county setup going forward? Both have been found out on recent tours where the conditions are alien to them. I just can't see how they are going to combat it otherwise.
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I wonder if the Aussies and Indians will send (and pay) for young players to play in the English county setup going forward? Both have been found out on recent tours where the conditions are alien to them. I just can't see how they are going to combat it otherwise.
Australians may contemplate it as the ashes is massive and a win in a 5 game series over here would be a huge story and incentive for kids in there own country.
The Indians, well I'm not sure they'd care if they got drubbed over here aslong as the t20 side win and the ipl continues........
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The u/19's just played over their and by the look of the score card did quite well with 3 centurions. Game ended in a draw but Aus were on top for most of the game. But you guys are right we need to be playing more county cricket as they did in the past eras
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Rogers and vogues have played county.
Maxwell is playing for Yorkshire, finch did last year was meant to this.
Faulkner is at lancs.
Think henriques was just a t20 spot for Surrey.
Is any other Aussies playing over here at mo?
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Bird at Hants.
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Dukes ball won't last on our wickets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/yourbusiness/10552120/No-Ashes-but-cricket-ball-maker-Dukes-up-for-a-match-with-Kookaburra.html
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If one infers that Ponting's eight are: Clarke, Ahmed, Haddin, Marsh, Rogers, Siddle, Voges, and Watson
That leaves a core of:
Smith (26), Warner (28), Starc (25), Hazlewood (24), Cummins (22), Lyon (27), M. Marsh (24), Nevill (29), and Johnson (33). But realistically Johnson has perhaps 2 years left in him.
Which leaves the issue of who to build a team with now. I reckon it'll be a mix of
Recalls of: Burns, Khawaja, Quiney, Cowan, Faulkner or Maxwell
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Debuts of : Handscomb, Stoinis, Holland, Lynn, Maddinson
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Burns, Kawaja sooner rather than later.
Keep an eye out for Peter Handscomb and, looking forward a season or two, Doran and Zampa.
Cowan, Quiney, etc are long gone.
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Pattinson and Behrendorff are others that will be in contention for a bowling spot.
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What happened to Ashton Agar?
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He's on the Australia A tour of India too and no doubt still in the mix.
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Cameron Bancroft is right there too.
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australian-batting-contenders-for-tour-of-bangladesh/2015-08-09 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australian-batting-contenders-for-tour-of-bangladesh/2015-08-09)
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please no more 32+ players. You don't get better after the age of 32
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please no more 32+ players. You don't get better after the age of 32
But you can still be better than what else is out there.
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true but its harder to change and adapt as we have found out with the england pitches. For example doran plays tests at the age of lets say 20. He gets destroyed on english pitches he then has 18 years and physical ablilty to adapt and become better for the next round of matches in england
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true but its harder to change and adapt as we have found out with the england pitches. For example doran plays tests at the age of lets say 20. He gets destroyed on english pitches he then has 18 years and physical ablilty to adapt and become better for the next round of matches in england
Unless our players spend time in the UK a series every 4 years isn't going to improve them and unfortunately now the T20 cricket is a massive earner for them off seasons in the UK are a thing of the past for high profile players.
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I agree with the sentiment regarding bringing in young players but the difficulty remains that none of the surviving members of the Australia team-with the exception of Johnson-have over 50 test caps.
Smith (32 test caps), Warner (42), Johnson (70), Starc (21), Lyon (38), Hazelwood (9), M Marsh (6), Cummins (1), and Nevill (2).
You can build a team around a group of talented young debutantes but unless Cricket Australia and the paying public have the patience to let them develop on the international stage then the outcome will be ultimately be poor.
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Rogers and vogues have played county.
Maxwell is playing for Yorkshire, finch did last year was meant to this.
Faulkner is at lancs.
Think henriques was just a t20 spot for Surrey.
Is any other Aussies playing over here at mo?
Maxy Klinger has been playing for Gloucestershire this season and has seven centuries in all cricket.
Fabulous player, but is older than Clarke. He's played for South Australia, Victoria and moved the WA last year and had a great season along with Voges. Interestingly, he would be the first player of Jewish heritage to represent Australia if, as rumours abound, he gets a go in the ODIs.
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We had Handscomb at Glos too, but he didn't really pull up any of the proverbial trees. Highly rated though, whatever that means.
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talk of Jake Doran playing in the 5th test, or at least someone with a big name thinks he should. I cant remember the article and author.
Anyone think this could be possible? as mentioned before hes had that hundred in the youth test, been playing club cricket over here for Henley this season, averaging 70 with a 121. Has also played against England before in the presidents xi and other teams.
Obviously hugely rated as he played in one of the warm up games before the 2010/11 ashes series at the age of 16. Maybe he could be involved with the coming test simply to gain some experience as he must be one for the future. The u19's are involved with a one day series but with the timings he would only miss the final match if he was to play in the test.
Thoughts?
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talk of Jake Doran playing in the 5th test, or at least someone with a big name thinks he should. I cant remember the article and author.
Anyone think this could be possible? as mentioned before hes had that hundred in the youth test, been playing club cricket over here for Henley this season, averaging 70 with a 121. Has also played against England before in the presidents xi and other teams.
Obviously hugely rated as he played in one of the warm up games before the 2010/11 ashes series at the age of 16. Maybe he could be involved with the coming test simply to gain some experience as he must be one for the future. The u19's are involved with a one day series but with the timings he would only miss the final match if he was to play in the test.
Thoughts?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/the-ashes/ashes-2015-jake-doran-should-make-test-debut-at-the-oval-says-stuart-macgill/story-e6frf3gl-1227476268136 (http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/the-ashes/ashes-2015-jake-doran-should-make-test-debut-at-the-oval-says-stuart-macgill/story-e6frf3gl-1227476268136)
There's the article by the way
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It all seems to be going on in Twitty or Twatter or whatever it is, Warner defending himself from some criticism, Lehman saying how sad some of the stories about Clarke are, and Mitch Johnston firing off to some journo who called the Aussies arrogant.
Such fun!
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great stuff Brucie, if I knew what this new fangled style media was i'd be all over it :)
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talk of Jake Doran playing in the 5th test, or at least someone with a big name thinks he should. I cant remember the article and author.
Anyone think this could be possible? as mentioned before hes had that hundred in the youth test, been playing club cricket over here for Henley this season, averaging 70 with a 121. Has also played against England before in the presidents xi and other teams.
Obviously hugely rated as he played in one of the warm up games before the 2010/11 ashes series at the age of 16. Maybe he could be involved with the coming test simply to gain some experience as he must be one for the future. The u19's are involved with a one day series but with the timings he would only miss the final match if he was to play in the test.
Thoughts?
Clutching at straws. Averaging 70 in the Home Counties Prem is one thing but playing 3 levels higher is another. If they had any intention of using him he would of played a tour match.
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there is a tour match this weekend - will be interesting to see who plays..
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Kerry O Keefe mentions Doran and Heazlett as the best teen batsmen in the country both had pretty solid summers in England. I've played alongside Sam Heazlett, he's not made the U19s Test squad, but hes a fantastic player, made the highest score v Lashings this year who usually have a decent attack...
But I'm afraid I reckon thats seriously stretching it chucking Doran in for the 5th test! I reckon Maxwell might have scored a timely hundred though..
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great stuff Brucie, if I knew what this new fangled style media was i'd be all over it :)
Here's one I read this morning
When Clarke threatened to hand in baggy green
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I love the absurd and wild speculation that goes on when there is a heavy series loss - it is hilarious the names that get thrown up.
The Aussies will make no substantive changes for the last game and then just look to the A tour as where the players will come from.
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ahh I guess that one got shut down rather quickly...
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True Buzz, but it's a tasty rumour :D
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talk of Jake Doran playing in the 5th test, or at least someone with a big name thinks he should. I cant remember the article and author.
Anyone think this could be possible? as mentioned before hes had that hundred in the youth test, been playing club cricket over here for Henley this season, averaging 70 with a 121. Has also played against England before in the presidents xi and other teams.
Obviously hugely rated as he played in one of the warm up games before the 2010/11 ashes series at the age of 16. Maybe he could be involved with the coming test simply to gain some experience as he must be one for the future. The u19's are involved with a one day series but with the timings he would only miss the final match if he was to play in the test.
Thoughts?
@ch1p
Watched doran today. He looked good, and is clearly a star, but the English batsmen seem to be making his innings seem far to slow in scoring rate.
He seemed more test than odi.... Which in regards to him playing in the 5th test. Is probably a good thing.
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How did you watch it smiley?
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Was live on sky sports 2.
I was also going to Queen's Park to watch the washed out game live. But our lovely summer spoiled that.
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Wow wish I could see it here in Perth
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