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Post by: nwillam12 on November 08, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: tom line on November 08, 2015, 09:44:49 PM
 I saw that earlier. I can only think that adidas cricket except for the shoes are in decline. The only high profile player they have now that people can associate with is pietersen and with him playing only t20 competitions consistently I don't see them surviving much longer and therefore are withdrawing the bat range


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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: rickjames on November 08, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
Not really; may be retired but they still have Tendulkar, plus Raina, Rohit Sharma, Broad, Bravo etc.

Pretty much all the younger Surrey players had Adidas last year, decked in it...
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 08, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
The change of sponsor doesn't surprise me as money does talk, but the fact it's Slazenger does! They seemed to be getting rid of their sponsored players recently, so is a resurgence on the cards? With their heritage it would be a shame to see Slazenger go, but they have gone off the boil in recently years  (not helped by the sports direct association).

As for Adidas I think they have Willey on their books still (along with Broad and Southee) so will still have a presence on the international stage, without a real big name player giving them regular air time.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on November 08, 2015, 09:56:46 PM
Raina has left the fold too now as has Sachin I believe.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: gazr5 on November 08, 2015, 09:57:17 PM
There do seem to be trends at counties. Loads of Surrey players were adidas last year. The bat of choice at Lancs was mainly GMs and I seem to remember a fair few of the Yorkies a couple of years ago were Slazenger

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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: gazr5 on November 08, 2015, 10:13:56 PM
Do players wait till a contract has finished or can they change whenever they like?

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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: tom line on November 08, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
I think it just depends on the player themselves. If you look at the potential de villiers deal with MRF he is waiting out the rest of the contract but I'm sure it's common practice to just follow the money straight away


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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: gazr5 on November 08, 2015, 10:28:23 PM
True. Either way, I agree with @walkingwicket37 its good to see slazenger coming back. It's a brand I grew up with

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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 08, 2015, 10:55:45 PM
For as long as I've watched cricket, Surrey has been Slazenger-friendly.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: smilley792 on November 08, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
If I remember correctly when he arrived in aus for last years if bash he was pictured in training with blank bats and slazenger gear.

But rocked out to first game with adidas.

May have just been a short term free kit deal while he wasn't that big.

Now he is slazenger have come back knocking.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 08, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
Everyone knew Jason was going to be a star, surely?
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 08, 2015, 11:55:21 PM
Of the two pictured above, I tip Jason Roy to have a successful international career.
As for Alex Hales - he undoubtedly has talent, but he still wears his pads the wrong way round!
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: gazr5 on November 09, 2015, 07:21:15 AM
How is Roy in the championship? Potential test opener now he's gaining experience at one day level

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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: smilley792 on November 09, 2015, 07:35:28 AM
How is Roy in the championship? Potential test opener now he's gaining experience at one day level

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Watch from 6.40 on.......

http://youtu.be/mArvQ43noTo (http://youtu.be/mArvQ43noTo)
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Thesmiff on November 09, 2015, 07:55:18 AM

How is Roy in the championship? Potential test opener now he's gaining experience at one day level

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over 800 runs at nearly 48 last season, not a bad return but Hales got nearly 900 runs at almost 50 in div 1.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: gazr5 on November 09, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
Evenly matched in terms of average but gales facing higher quality.

We should be looking at these two for future test openers

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Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: rickjames on November 09, 2015, 08:30:26 AM
Roy's never opened at county though, would much rather he had a crack at that first. Do love his ability though, great lad.

Also not sure if that video above is exactly a fair one, he was quite clearly aiming anything at the pavilion after some words were muttered following a catch he'd made at slip...
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: smilley792 on November 09, 2015, 08:35:19 AM
Roy's never opened at county though, would much rather he had a crack at that first. Do love his ability though, great lad.

Also not sure if that video above is exactly a fair one, he was quite clearly aiming anything at the pavilion after some words were muttered following a catch he'd made at slip...

Your post is contradictory, he's opening in that clip at county.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: ppccopener on November 09, 2015, 08:35:38 AM
We should stick with Jason Roy thru thick and thin, he's got something about him and seems to genuinely play fearless cricket rather than just talk about it.

The one day set up seems as good a way as any to get new players in....at some point the selectors have got to stick with players and back them
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: rickjames on November 09, 2015, 09:02:07 AM
Your post is contradictory, he's opening in that clip at county.

One innings on the final day of the season where they'd already sewn up Division 2. Hardly a lot...
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: smilley792 on November 09, 2015, 09:27:46 AM
One innings on the final day of the season where they'd already sewn up Division 2. Hardly a lot...

It's more than "never" though isn't it.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: rickjames on November 09, 2015, 09:45:39 AM
Yes and in whatever they had to chase down in x amount of time was probably the right call, but whatever.

Nothing against him at all, would love him to open at test level eventually; current test side bums me out when there's no Surrey lads involved.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: mdg20 on November 09, 2015, 11:00:20 AM
Yes and in whatever they had to chase down in x amount of time was probably the right call, but whatever.

Nothing against him at all, would love him to open at test level eventually; current test side bums me out when there's no Surrey lads involved.

Give it a few years and there's no reason why the Currans, Ansari, Roy and Burns won't all be in the test side
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: 19reading87 on November 09, 2015, 11:46:28 AM
I can imagine it's the exact same bat but just with different stickers on. Money talks...
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Buzz on November 09, 2015, 12:00:01 PM
A little more back on topic - but I have just seen a tweet from Specialist sports - it seems that the Curran's are the new adidas poster boys...
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: rickjames on November 09, 2015, 12:03:01 PM
A little more back on topic - but I have just seen a tweet from Specialist sports - it seems that the Curran's are the new adidas poster boys...

From a marketing perspective that makes perfect sense after the seasons they've had.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 09, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
over 800 runs at nearly 48 last season, not a bad return but Hales got nearly 900 runs at almost 50 in div 1.

Roy batted mostly at no.6 for Surrey.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 09, 2015, 01:22:38 PM
Alastair Brown's father works(ed) for Slazenger. That may have something to do with it.

I'm showing my age, but it goes back before Ali Brown. And, I might be wrong, but wasn't Ali Brown with Stuart Surridge for at least some of his career?
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 09, 2015, 04:00:48 PM
Yes. But I do think that Ali Brown's family have Surrey connections.

He also got his ODI hundred with an SS.

So, most likely spurious, but a factoid at least.

Didn't Eric Loxton make some SS bats later on? Seem to remember something about it in Steve James' book?

Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 10, 2015, 06:39:08 PM
Certainly made Slazenger.

Obviously!
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Mortimer on November 10, 2015, 10:48:52 PM
Do players wait till a contract has finished or can they change whenever they like?

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Normally, a player would just let the existing contract expire and then move to the new brand. To use another brand whilst contracted to the original brand could be very costly to the player. The exception to letting the contract expire would be if the original brand got into financial difficulties and missed payments to the player, eg when Woodworm went bust, thus allowing PK and Andrew Flintoff to agree new deals with adidas and Puma respectively.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Mortimer on November 10, 2015, 10:50:36 PM
Alastair Brown's father works(ed) for Slazenger. That may have something to do with it.

Mickey Stewart worked for Slazenger after retiring as a player and before becoming a coach
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Mortimer on November 10, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
Didn't Eric Loxton make some SS bats later on? Seem to remember something about it in Steve James' book?

When SS went bust, Slazenger bought the rights to the SS name, which would explain why Eric Loxton might have made some SS Bats
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Mortimer on November 10, 2015, 10:54:46 PM
Certainly made Slazenger - Mark Butcher did the same as Brown, SS to Slaz


When did Mark Butcher use SS? I thought he had always used Slazenger, as did his dad
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: skip1973 on November 11, 2015, 01:35:37 AM
Joe Burns lasted about 3 months with Kooka, he's an interesting character if you listen to the talk. Kook didn't try and talk him out of leaving.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bat and Ball Cricket on November 11, 2015, 04:13:50 AM
I think it just depends on the player themselves. If you look at the potential de villiers deal with MRF he is waiting out the rest of the contract but I'm sure it's common practice to just follow the money straight away


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I would assume it depends on the details of the contract.
I do a lot of work with contracts and you see termination for convenience clauses all the time.
You can also have penalty based termination clauses. Something like 'client can terminate contact at any time. On termination, client will reimburse company 25% of total monies contributed to client.'
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Johnny on November 11, 2015, 06:21:26 AM
And I'm sure she that does happen it's more likely that the new brand will stump up the cash, not the player themselves.
Title: Re: The weirdest u-turn ever?
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 11, 2015, 06:41:50 AM
When SS went bust, Slazenger bought the rights to the SS name, which would explain why Eric Loxton might have made some SS Bats

Yes, sounds right. I think the Steve James story was along rthe lines of him finding an SS bat he liked in a sports shop and re-stickering it as a Slazenger - he noted the irony of it being made by the same person who made his Slazengers.